The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

[KL Dubey]

^^ I guess you failed to read the paragraph following the one you quoted because it addresses that very thing you think only you know. Just goes to show that you have already made up your mind and therefore nullifies any point of discussion.

I read it. My reply got away before I finished. I am pointing out that you are not following your own prescription. See my amended previous post.

[Vikas]

Did you hear poor people talking about mauritius investment tax route and participatory route? If no, then these were not a big deal according to your logic na?

You may want to claim you know what poor people want or you may represent them, but let me remind you, these are the very people who face or will face of all BIF aggression, both overtly and covertly, ex: hindu schools shutting down because of RTE is affecting whom the most, The poor hindus or well-to-do hindus who can seek admission in Padma Sheshadi or Chinmaya Vidyalaya?? BTW, in your intention to shield NM or BJP, you weakened your own claim that poor people want education for kids, but don't talk about RTE, even if it were true because they could be unaware of these things, I assume you know the consequences of studying in "other" schools. BTW not even going into physical aggression these poor people are subjected to or will be subjected to in few decades time. They may not recognize that, but you can right?

Did anyone here talk about RJB specifically as a primary point of contention ? There's nothing so special about BJP BTW that someone can't be something at all? Don't we see all the: "sab mile hue hain" types?

Karthik, As a PM and politician, 2 things matter the most to the incumbent. (a) What should I do to win the next election.
(b) how do I improve lot of my country.
Most of the actions as you can see will be driven by this thinking.

To your last point, lets not forget, Workers or leaders of BJP or Congress or Left or even AAP, all come from the same soil and similar backgrounds, so to extent 'sub mile hue hain' has a ring of truth to it.

[Vikas]

BTW what exactly is Sushama Swaraj's role as EAM ?

[Aditya_V]

To give access to Indian Medical facilities to those who wage Jihad against India.

[JohnTitor]

BTW what exactly is Sushama Swaraj's role as EAM ?

Provide terrorists medical assistance to aid their cause. But every now and then, help NRIs.

[Chandragupta]

https://twitter.com/indiatoday/status/9 ... 0224652288

BJP's Muslim outreach in WB - well, surprise surprise, FAILS.

All they will end up doing is to alienate the emerging USHV in WB.

Re: Modi being greatest PM since independence. No way. He had all the means to become one but for now PVNR towers above anyone else, including Modi.

Re: Yogi being Modi's choice. Absolutely wrong. Every BJP man in UP know that Modi's choice was Manoj Sinha who had a 'pro-development' image. Yogi and his supporters applied brute force and threatened to split the party down the middle if Yogi was not made CM. Modi was very reluctant and it was Shah who intervened and brought them together.

[chetak]

To give access to Indian Medical facilities to those who wage Jihad against India.

there are many arabs and similar desert yokels and the like who have been injured in their gulf maara maari and have landed up in dilli corporate hospitals for treatment.

we should not be encouraging such "medical trade"

[Karthik]

Did you hear poor people talking about mauritius investment tax route and participatory route? If no, then these were not a big deal according to your logic na?

You may want to claim you know what poor people want or you may represent them, but let me remind you, these are the very people who face or will face of all BIF aggression, both overtly and covertly, ex: hindu schools shutting down because of RTE is affecting whom the most, The poor hindus or well-to-do hindus who can seek admission in Padma Sheshadi or Chinmaya Vidyalaya?? BTW, in your intention to shield NM or BJP, you weakened your own claim that poor people want education for kids, but don't talk about RTE, even if it were true because they could be unaware of these things, I assume you know the consequences of studying in "other" schools. BTW not even going into physical aggression these poor people are subjected to or will be subjected to in few decades time. They may not recognize that, but you can right?

Did anyone here talk about RJB specifically as a primary point of contention ? There's nothing so special about BJP BTW that someone can't be something at all? Don't we see all the: "sab mile hue hain" types?

Karthik, As a PM and politician, 2 things matter the most to the incumbent. (a) What should I do to win the next election.
(b) how do I improve lot of my country.
Most of the actions as you can see will be driven by this thinking.

To your last point, lets not forget, Workers or leaders of BJP or Congress or Left or even AAP, all come from the same soil and similar backgrounds, so to extent 'sub mile hue hain' has a ring of truth to it.

Vikas ji, I know and understand, we know the 2/3 majority, RS number constraints and all. Initially we talked about low hanging fruits such as freeing up temples etc.
What's riling us is continuation of secular policies of previous govt, inviting people to EJ show, increasing haj budget, speaking out against gaurakshaks but not a word about number of people killed by cow smugglers (again it's the poor people who get robbed or worse shot), no action on rohingyas, top cabinet ministers hanging out with BIF, employing people in ministries with known dubious backgrounds, celebrating diwali crackers ban, which forced poor workers in sivakasi to lose jobs (guess who'd now prey on them,) no stern action on foreigners who come and misuse their visa despite many notices to EAM, everything falls on deaf ears, nothing so far on BIF. In KA alone dozen BJP/RSS workers have lost their lives, can you imagine 12 party workers from ANY other party losing lives in a BJP ruled state? What's taking govt so long to ban PFI?

We are all ready to wait until 2019 and beyond if NM needs more numbers in LS and RS, if he wishes economy to get little stronger before he can take actions that will invite eye balls from other countries, but WHY indulge in secularism policies and continuing and even adding to previous ones?
We are taking NM's name here because the buck stops with the boss. ( assuming he IS the boss and not just a front office face like MMS ). When few indic orgs say this govt is no diff from prev govt in terms of internal security, indic causes, we cant' just dismiss them because of our loyalty to a party or a person.

[ricky]

From the top of my head, the following activities were carried out by the current govt in EA matters:
1) Evacuation of legal citizens from war torn area, very pro-active in getting our people out of harms way, not enough clout to demand security for them from the regimes.
2) SL- chini pasand govt lost, other party came not exactly pro-india, now hambantotta, colombo are also lost to chini conglomerates, trincomalee unresolved.
3) Nepal-chini pasand govt elected to power, anti india in outlook, pro india madhesis remain pro india,buying nepali hydro power, blockade of petroleum and other goods into nepal from india cause nepali snakes to demonize big brother, aid during earthquake also denounced.
4) Maldives-no drinking water, we airlifted bottles, anti india govt in power, indian firms infrastructure contracts canceled, regular anti india comments.
5) BD- helping them with a nuclear pp construction, dividends not defined, area swapping, lost many thousand square kilometers mostly off assam, teesta unresolved, immigrant problem unresolved, gave deep sea / petroleum rights in bay of bengal to bd.
6) Jhatustan- Medical visas to snakelets and snakes, balochistan agenda seen on few cabs in ny, london,random swiss city-clearly a success, called terroristan formally in brf dictionary,dance and show competition in wagah continuing,iwt is some days followed and other times ignored, pig deaths
7) Bhutan-some chini pasand wanted takeover, stopped for now,buying bhutanese hydro electricity, chini demand for consular access in bhutan to nations other then ind,bd.
8) Myanmar- Rohingyas everywhere, surgical stikes, no infra projects.
9) Aus- queensland coal project in limbo, uranium sale okayed
10) US & Canada- sikh ban on indian officials for visiting gurudwras, unresolved.
11) ISA formed, hq in gurgaon

[Aditya_V]

Rather than this media tamasha, why don't the 4 Supreme Court Judges just resign- why are the Judges playing politics?

[Vikas]

Rather than this media tamasha, why don't the 4 Supreme Court Judges just resign- why are the Judges playing politics?

What happened ?

[ricky]

4judges are not happy by the working war of cji, have held a press conference, main problem of roster decision taken by cji during medical college case, wherein cji gave case to other bench when the case had gone to the first bench, he had heard the case before becoming cji.

[Vikas]

Vikas ji, I know and understand, we know the 2/3 majority, RS number constraints and all. Initially we talked about low hanging fruits such as freeing up temples etc.
What's riling us is continuation of secular policies of previous govt, inviting people to EJ show, increasing haj budget, speaking out against gaurakshaks but not a word about number of people killed by cow smugglers (again it's the poor people who get robbed or worse shot), no action on rohingyas, top cabinet ministers hanging out with BIF, employing people in ministries with known dubious backgrounds, celebrating diwali crackers ban, which forced poor workers in sivakasi to lose jobs (guess who'd now prey on them,) no stern action on foreigners who come and misuse their visa despite many notices to EAM, everything falls on deaf ears, nothing so far on BIF. In KA alone dozen BJP/RSS workers have lost their lives, can you imagine 12 party workers from ANY other party losing lives in a BJP ruled state? What's taking govt so long to ban PFI?

..snip..

Karthik, sadly I don't have any argument against what you have listed. All these things do annoy me too but then I hope that NM is not any false dawn and he (& BJP) have a long term Chanikian plan in place.
Yes, NM is too politically correct all the time, Hardly anyone from Previous UPA govt is behind the bars for all the scams, No mass cleaning of this swamp called Luytens Higher Edu mafia.
2014 was a lesser challenge compared to 2019 because who are you going to blame and op top, BiF have gamed the system and evolved to a new level of threat.

PS: I dislike those folks here who dare others to vote for 'Sickular' parties instead and liken it to shooting ourselves in the foot. It is not that someone bringing Congoons back in power will shoot only himself in the foot, I too will get shot alongside.

[Hari Seldon]

These bl00dy turds must think we yindooze are really, really dumb - to keep falling for such transparent flame-bait...



Sadly, past record has given them enough ammo to think and plan so...

[Hari Seldon]

Anyone following this latest judassial flare-up with four hizzoners calling some press conference tamasha etc?

I hear whatsapp rumors that Dipak Mishra is being labeled an 'RSS agint' and what not. Laughable. The chap is as anti-Yindoo as they come. Speaks volumes about the proclivities of his accusers, I'd say.

Justice RS Sodhi slams the 4 judges who held a press conference against CJI Dipak Misra (OpIndia)

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In a truly unprecedented move today, the 4 senior most judges of the Supreme Court, after the Chief Justice of India Dipak Misra, held a press conference, to let the nation know of “their failed efforts” to convince the Chief Justice to take steps to protect the institution. The four judges are Justices J Chelameswar, Madan B Lokur, Ranjan Gogoi and Kurian Joseph.

After this explosive press conference, many past justices reacted. While some supported the 4 senior judges and their methods, some like Justice Sodhi were extremely unhappy with the way things have been unfolding.

Justice RS Sodhi on Republic TV said that the judiciary stands demeaned by these 4 people. He said he was ashamed that he was a member of the judiciary. That this can’t be the judicial discipline.

He questioned how the judges could have gone public and question the master of the roster. If they had a difficulty about something, they should have raised their opinion in the court, If they had collegium issues, they should have raised them at the collegium, but how could 4 judges get together in this “trade unionism” fashion and demand that the Chief Justice will have to act on what they say?

He emphatically asked who gave them this right. He said they have demeaned the judiciary not just in front on the entire country, but in front of the entire world. He said the whole world is seeing “these people jumping around in this fashion”. He reiterated that he is ashamed of the manner in which the 4 judges have conducted himself, and he feels sorry for the country.

He said that they have caused so much damage, and since they have made clear that they don’t wish to stick to judicial opinion, all the 4 senior judges should resign and not demean the judiciary further.

While Justice RS Sodhi vehemently disagreed with this method, Justice Mukul Mudgal on the same channel supported the 4 judges.

Added later:

Oh-there's more. seems chemaleswarmet CPI's D Raja right after the press-conf. Wheels within wheels. Anyone talking to the commies puts antennas on high alert...

[Hari Seldon]

Whoa! Puts to rest apprehensions that The_Yogi's relations with NM are adversarial. Not in the least, seems like.

Watch the video in this tweet of NM all praise for The_Yogi's calm forays into other poll-bound states for prachaar/ campaigning, and how that has rattled the opposition.

https://twitter.com/malviyamit/status/9 ... 9387655168

Here's an ANI quote in Hinglish of his exact words:

ANI Verified account @ANI 3h3 hours ago
Yogi Ji bhi kam khiladi nahin hain. Kayi rajyon mein bahut logon ke saath hamare Yogi Ji twitter-twitter ka khel khel rhe hain. Aur twitter ke khel mein bhi acche acche khiladiyon ko unhone parast karke rakh diya hai: PM Narendra Modi

[SSundar]

Very timely article by R. Jagannathan.

As Congress Woos Hindu Vote, Will BJP Head For Bankrupt Pseudo-Secular Politics?

I think the BJP does need to increase reaching out to EJs and Peacefuls but not in the soft, defensive tone it is taking now. NaMo should come out hitting hard, clearly stating that BJP is a party built on the same Hindu values of treating every religion equally and with respect. He has to demolish the word "Secularism" in India's context by repeating ad nauseam that India is an inclusive democracy because it is Hindu and NOT in spite of it. Then he must call out the hypocrisy of the temple runners and the janeu dharis. He must also reassure that as long as he is in-charge, India, as a Hindu nation, will never become an unsafe land for ANY religion. This message has to resonate on social media and all messages of the BJP. Essentially, it is a message that reinforces BJP's Hindu credentials while simultaneously telling minorities that they should work with it rather than the hypocritical sickular parties.

THEN, NaMo & AS should indeed conduct community outreach programs and townhalls in EJ and Peaceful majority regions where people can interact with them more openly.

[SSundar]

Despite protests, defence ministry sticks to Rs 10,000 monthly cap on tuition, hostel fee for martyrs' children

The defence ministry will stick to its recent decision to cap the educational expenses in the shape of tuition and hostel fees paid to children of martyrs and disabled soldiers to Rs 10,000 per month in accordance with the recommendation of the 7th Central Pay Commission despite widespread protests from the affected families as well as the armed forces.

This was given in the wake of the '71 war as a gesture from a grateful nation. The BJP really wants to stick it to the armed forces.

At Rs. 10,000 per month, that is over Rs. 1.2 lakhs per year. What kind of education in India costs more than this amount per child? I am asking out of pure ignorance.

The highest amount drawn has been reported to be Rs 18.95 lakh per annum per student," he added.

[Yashu]

[s making India weak

Have you thought who are you?
You are part of BIF digusing yourself as nationalists plz stop this drama I can prove this coz the abusive mail I received after I sent you my email address, when you pretended to look for volunteers for hindu cause when coongis where in power.
He is not ony troll he is hardcore leftist

[abhijit]

I would hesitate to rate him above PVNR.

I would request everyone to refrain from making Modi - PVNR comparisons. The man was a nationalist, no doubt. And he definitely had a positive impact on India.

But he didn’t go as far as Modi. But this is not to say that he didn’t want to. He was working under Gandhi influence and command. Therefore his abilities were severely constrained. Further, he was trying to reform a country that was as close to communism as a democracy can get. He couldn’t do too much too soon.

The fact that the congoons didn’t respect him even in death goes to show how much he upset them trying to better the country and the sort of resistance he was facing.

I am not discrediting modi by saying pvnr has done more good to this country. What PVNR has achieved under his leadership is monumental and way difficult to achieve by his successors. So yes lets stop comparison but lets not pretend modi has done better. Modi is enjoying full majority, comfort of no high command or no allies breathing on neck, no sectarian crisis. Yet he has lot to do to reach the height of PVNR achieved in that small tenure, under the nose of gandhis and courtiers, in adverse economic conditions and more challenging crisis. Don't fall for cong and their stooge media propaganda. they have history of discrediting sons of this soil because they did not lick gandhi boots. His fault was he was loyal to gandhi until rajeev but he did not show that respect to soniya.

1) 1991 saw peak of khalistani violence. 5000 deaths. He took office in 1991. Under his leadership by 1994 punjab was pacified
2) planned and prepared nuclear test successfully keeping SG in dark. He was expecting reelection but he lost to ABV. handed over it to him for final go ahead.
3) inherited bankrupt economy. Under his leadership india did biggest economical reforms. The guy who cong and its media gave credit of this later got a chance to run government for full 10 years. Did zilch, in fact pulled all breaks and brought the economy to almost standstill. economist my a$$

He was PM for only 5 years but those 5 years saw biggest indian turn around. We should cherish these son of soils with all their inherent faults. nobody is perfect. NM isn't too. Sure he is the most popular PM ever. But he needs to take hard decisions given the monopoly he is enjoying to go down in the history as the greatest one.

[Aditya_V]

Part of INC strategy to stop Hindu consolidation is by declaring its enemies as not Hindu enough. We will see that strategy, unite thier base and divide thier opposition. We should not fall in the trap, while critism is ok, focus should also be on Networks and opposition being faced - the real enemies within our borders.

[abhijit]

At Rs. 10,000 per month, that is over Rs. 1.2 lakhs per year. What kind of education in India costs more than this amount per child? I am asking out of pure ignorance.

The highest amount drawn has been reported to be Rs 18.95 lakh per annum per student," he added.

To be honest, i don't care. Dying or permanently disabled is the highest sacrifice to keep my family safe. None of my blood relatives or my best friends will do that for me. I don't want them to die thinking what will happen to their family... at least that much we should ensure. It is not a huge burden. But if there is a fraud then it should be investigated.

[JohnTitor]

At Rs. 10,000 per month, that is over Rs. 1.2 lakhs per year. What kind of education in India costs more than this amount per child? I am asking out of pure ignorance.

The highest amount drawn has been reported to be Rs 18.95 lakh per annum per student," he added.

I don't know which city this lady is in but for reference, my brother in laws daughter who he now sends to playschool pays 3k a month. And that is considered cheap - some "good" ones charge upto three times that.

You cannot get any decent education for the amount you quoted in a tier 2 city even.

Education in india is quite expensive

[JohnTitor]

BJPs outreach to the sickulars in w bengal is a complete flop. What an idiotic strategy, BJP don't seem to understand that they will never ever vote for them. They can provide them with all the development and facilities but all that effort is wasted.

Instead of going the hindutva way, they are trying to be a congress substitute.

Now they have proved to Hindus that they are pro-sickular and but cannot prove to the sickular that they are good enough. Lose-lose strategy.

[SSundar]

I am not discrediting modi by saying pvnr has done more good to this country. What PVNR has achieved under his leadership is monumental and way difficult to achieve by his successors. So yes lets stop comparison but lets not pretend modi has done better.

I fully support PM Modi... and I also fully agree with you - PVNR fundamentally pivoted and transformed India in an extremely adverse climate. I believe he has been an excellent leader. He identified technocratic talent like MMS and stood behind them as they delivered great reforms. While everyone likes to give the credit to MMS, I have no doubt that the vision belonged to PVNR and only the theoretical domain knowledge came from MMS.

However, during PVNR's tenure, there were no major BIF in motion. The world was focused on post-cold-war realignments and left India alone in its corner of the world. MQ was still grieving and holed up in her own corner. China had not taken off and US had a cozy relationship with Pakistan which had an upper hand in all India dealings. PVNR's only challenge was keeping his parliamentary party together. He was an old-fashioned Congi who know all tricks and trades of survival. Piece of cake for him.

NaMo serves in a different era and context. BIF have had an unbroken 10-year run and are at the peak of their power. They have full control of the narrative through the global media. EJs, Peacefuls and Commies have all had an open field for 10 years under UPA. The very presence of NaMo is not an ideal situation for them. They are attacking him from all fronts. While he did not inherit an economy in worse shape than PVNR, he did inherit a babudom that wants UPA policies back. Also keep in mind that the threat of "sudden removal" is still there if he crosses a certain line.

I would not compare the two men. They are both great. But NaMo has many more challenges arrayed against him. He has not yet had 5 years, especially in an environment with as low hostility as the one PVNR lived in. I am willing to give him some more time to deliver.