The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:11 am

Sachin wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:57 am
Ahmedabad: Hearing in Jay Shah’s defamation case adjourned after he fails to show up in court
Case has got adjourned to Dec 16th, and I understand Gujrath goes to poll much before that. But the "seculars" have already crying that adjournement is because Jay Shah had some thing to hide, and he does not want all that to come out during the election season.
Wonder why he didn't show up. What was so important? This defamation hearing could have done wonders against the slimy puke-and-scoot tactics of the left-fiberal media ecosystem. Sheesh.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sanjayC » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:38 pm

Apparently, Jay Shah appeared as witness in the court on 24 Oct. Based on his deposition and inquiry under CrPC 202, the court issued summons to the Wire crooks. In a criminal defamation case, a complainant need not be present in the court every time - his lawyer can represent him.
Jay Shah defamation case: Ahmedabad court summons The Wire reporter, five editors

Ahmedabad: An Ahmedabad court on Tuesday issued summons to respondents in the criminal defamation case filed by BJP chief Amit Shah's son against news portal 'The Wire' over a report that claimed the turnover of his firm grew exponentially after the party came to power in 2014.

Additional Chief Metropolitan Magistrate SK Gadhvi issued summonses to journalist Rohini Singh, five editors and the non-profit company that publishes The Wire. The summonses are returnable by 13 November.

The metropolitan court issued summons after it prima facie found that a case of defamation punishable with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine, or with both under section 500 of IPC was made out against all the seven respondents.

The order was issued after considering the depositions of three witnesses, including Jay Amit Shah, as well as documentary evidences produced by his lawyer SV Raju.

Making his submissions on Tuesday, Raju said, "The article was not published in good faith and was aimed at tarnishing the reputation of his client".

Before issuing summonses, the court conducted an inquiry into the complaint under CrPC section 202 to ascertain whether there was sufficient ground for proceeding against the respondents.

In his application, Shah prayed for criminal action against the respondents for "defaming and tarnishing" his reputation by publishing an article, which was "scandalous, frivolous, misleading, derogatory, libelous and consisting of several defamatory statements."

The seven respondents in the case are the author of the article Rohini Singh, founding editors of the news portal Siddarth Varadarajan, Sidharth Bhatia and MK Venu, managing editor Monobina Gupta, public editor Pamela Philipose and the Foundation for Independent Journalism, the non-profit company that publishes The Wire.

The case has been filed under IPC sections 500 (defamation), 109 (abetment), 39 (voluntarily causing grievous hurt) and 120 B (criminal conspiracy).

Two businessmen -- Jaimin Shah and Rajiv Shah -- who appeared as witnesses, said they had received the article through WhatsApp and informed Jay Shah about it after realising that it "hurt" his reputation.

Appearing as a witness, Jay Shah also told the court that his friends and well-wishers told him that the article dented his reputation.

His lawyer Raju submitted before the court that the purpose of the article was not to give a bonafide account of the company or his client but to defame him keeping the state Assembly elections in mind.
He said there was "something fishy about the article" as it was "published hurriedly to make it an issue for the elections".

In his complaint, Shah said that the accused conspired to get a "fabricated, reworded, and edited version of the defamatory article to be published in place of the original version."

Raju told the court that Shah was given "unreasonable" time to respond to a questionnaire and claimed no further inquiry based on the response was made.

The complainant said a "predetermined conspiracy" was hatched to defame him.

The Wire had claimed in its report that Temple Enterprise Pvt. Ltd., the company owned by Jay Shah, saw a huge rise in its turnover after the BJP came to power at the Centre in 2014. It said the turnover grew from a measly Rs 50,000 to over Rs 80 crore in a single year.

A political storm erupted after the article titled 'Golden touch of Jay Amit Shah' was published. The Congress demanded sacking of Amit Shah as BJP chief and institution of a judicial inquiry into the entire episode, while the BJP called the article defamatory.
http://www.firstpost.com/india/jay-shah ... 72489.html

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:02 pm

lol @ hari seldon saar..even a grizzled and much scarred vet like you falling for clickbait headlines..

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:18 pm



At 1:08:00 Sai Deepak says present govt is scared of the ecosystem that it's unwilling to make any changes to text books or touch any indic causes. He also says there's no point in expecting from present govt. All those fraudsters in BJP are not doing anything for the last 3.5 years. I wish they lose Gj or other major state so that they'll fear their voter base and not their opponents.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sbajwa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:19 pm

Chacha Nehru recommended himself for Bharat Ratna award in 1955 and President gave it to him.
India Gandhi recommended herself for Bharat Ratna award in 1971 and President gave it to her.

(RTI) request filed in August 2009 found that more than 450 government projects and schemes are named after the Gandhi-Nehru family. In May 2012, Zee News reported there were 16 government schemes named after Gandhi, including Rajiv Awas Yojana and Rajiv Gandhi Udyami Mitra Yojana. In March 2015, Haryana sports minister Anil Vij said that at that time there were 232 rural stadia in India, with 226 of them being named after him.

While freedom fighters who gave away their lives are not worthy of BR.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:38 pm

Nov 14 has transformed from celebrating Nehru's birth day as children's day into a day to vilify Nehru.

To sample..
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Jawaharlal Nehru was, in many ways, a Public Sector Unit himself. Venal, frivolous, subsidised, blundering, haughty, ruinous, and yet proud to be so.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by KJo » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:26 pm

I am yet to see this Govt doing anything for Hindus, their vote base. Congress never bothered because they pandered to Peacefuls, but they took care of them. This BJP Govt seems to have taken Hindus for granted.
All I hear after 3.5 years is "acche din aayenge.. dheeraj rakho!".

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Primus » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:16 pm

sbajwa wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:19 pm
Chacha Nehru recommended himself for Bharat Ratna award in 1955 and President gave it to him.
India Gandhi recommended herself for Bharat Ratna award in 1971 and President gave it to her.

(RTI) request filed in August 2009 found that more than 450 government projects and schemes are named after the Gandhi-Nehru family. In May 2012, Zee News reported there were 16 government schemes named after Gandhi, including Rajiv Awas Yojana and Rajiv Gandhi Udyami Mitra Yojana. In March 2015, Haryana sports minister Anil Vij said that at that time there were 232 rural stadia in India, with 226 of them being named after him.

While freedom fighters who gave away their lives are not worthy of BR.
I've been saying this for a while now. The other big figure (figuratively) was Lal Bahadur Shastri, my favorite PM after Modi. He does have a few stadia and an airport, couple of management institutes named after him, but nothing like the Nehru/Gandhi dynasty.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vrish » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:22 pm

KJo wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:26 pm
I am yet to see this Govt doing anything for Hindus, their vote base. Congress never bothered because they pandered to Peacefuls, but they took care of them. This BJP Govt seems to have taken Hindus for granted.
All I hear after 3.5 years is "acche din aayenge.. dheeraj rakho!".
Being pro-governance and not anti-hindu itself is a big deal. For now.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:46 pm

Vrish wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:22 pm
Being pro-governance and not anti-hindu itself is a big deal. For now.
+1

I see a strong "Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas" drive in progress across the board. It is a different matter that the Peacefuls and Lovefuls don't understand or acknowledge it. Anecdotally, I only see the anti-Modi stance of some religions getting more virulent as Modi gets more popular.

He hasn't done anything anti-Hindu yet, even though he has not fixed any anti-Hindu things from the past or even the present.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 am

SSundar wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:46 pm
Vrish wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:22 pm
Being pro-governance and not anti-hindu itself is a big deal. For now.
+1

I see a strong "Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas" drive in progress across the board. It is a different matter that the Peacefuls and Lovefuls don't understand or acknowledge it. Anecdotally, I only see the anti-Modi stance of some religions getting more virulent as Modi gets more popular.

He hasn't done anything anti-Hindu yet, even though he has not fixed any anti-Hindu things from the past or even the present.
And stupid indics are so enthralled at the rise of one man that they forgot what got him in the first place. Let's just be content with his glory, that will help us indeed. Not fixing things from the past is as anti-hindu as anything, you do realize what kind of anti-indic laws where brought into don't you? And not fixing those is costing us dearly. We are being taken for a ride by the top fatsos of the BJP. I posted a video above, the guy working for indic causes specifically states that 56" all are scared of the ecosystem that their image will be tarnished.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:15 am

Karthik, Kjo-> what are the 10 things which are pro hindu things which any Hindu Govt should Do?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:19 am

As a long time BRFite, what according to you should the govt do.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:56 am

Proof that margadarshak mandal-ites are going the Shourie way. What a fall.

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Best response is to yawn and move on. Only.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:04 am

Karthik wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 am
And stupid indics are so enthralled at the rise of one man that they forgot what got him in the first place. Let's just be content with his glory, that will help us indeed. Not fixing things from the past is as anti-hindu as anything, you do realize what kind of anti-indic laws where brought into don't you? And not fixing those is costing us dearly. We are being taken for a ride by the top fatsos of the BJP. I posted a video above, the guy working for indic causes specifically states that 56" all are scared of the ecosystem that their image will be tarnished.
+1.

I'd say it a tad more politely but the sentiment would be the same. Pulling the rug repeatedly over Hindu identity issues is doing Modi sarkar no credit. At least a statement of acknowledgement, if not intent would be something "we" (yup, the Hindutva-vadi voter) could hold you upto come poll time but Modi sarkar has shied away from even lip service only.

Heck, there are low hanging fruit that do *not* contradict "sabka saath sabka vikaas" - like allowing the besieged (by the state) Hindu community a level playing field in managing its own shrines, schools, institutions, charities, lands and endowments the same as the abrahamics get to do only. To start with.

Anyway, it'll be a repeat of what I've already expounded upon multiple times previously on these same pages. Peace.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:07 am

Meanwhile he wise people elected In Delhi do this.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 650779.cms

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:18 am

The Yogi is the new hope. Jai ho, yogi ji ki.
Secular word is ‘biggest lie’, says UP chief minister Yogi Adityanath (HT)
Uttar Pradesh chief minister Yogi Adityanath said on Monday the word ‘secular’ was the ‘biggest lie’ told after India gained independence and the people responsible for using the word should apologise for it.

Adityanath was speaking at a function organised by the Dainik Jagran group in Raipur, Chhattisgarh , and was responding to a question on communalism and secularism. He also said that any distortion” of history is akin to sedition.

Speaking in Hindi, Adityanath said, “Mera maanna hai ki azadi ke baad Bharat mein sabse bada jhooth dharmnirpeksh shabd hai. Nagrikon ke saath, Bharat ke logon ke saath… un logon ko maafi maangni chahiye, jinhone is shabd ko janm diya aur jo yeh shabd istemaal karte hai… koi vyavastha dharmnirpeksh nahin ho sakti. Rajneetik vyavastha panthnirpeksh ho sakti hai,” the Indian Express reported. (“I believe that after Independence, the biggest lie in India is the word secular...the people who gave birth to this word and who use it, should apologise. No system can be secular. Political systems can be neutral towards sects, but not secular.”)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:21 am

Even modi was saying similar things before 2014 election. Politicians at the end of the day are just that, politicians.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Raj » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:29 am

Hari Seldon wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:04 am
Karthik wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 am
And stupid indics are so enthralled at the rise of one man that they forgot what got him in the first place. Let's just be content with his glory, that will help us indeed. Not fixing things from the past is as anti-hindu as anything, you do realize what kind of anti-indic laws where brought into don't you? And not fixing those is costing us dearly. We are being taken for a ride by the top fatsos of the BJP. I posted a video above, the guy working for indic causes specifically states that 56" all are scared of the ecosystem that their image will be tarnished.
+1.

I'd say it a tad more politely but the sentiment would be the same. Pulling the rug repeatedly over Hindu identity issues is doing Modi sarkar no credit. At least a statement of acknowledgement, if not intent would be something "we" (yup, the Hindutva-vadi voter) could hold you upto come poll time but Modi sarkar has shied away from even lip service only.

Heck, there are low hanging fruit that do *not* contradict "sabka saath sabka vikaas" - like allowing the besieged (by the state) Hindu community a level playing field in managing its own shrines, schools, institutions, charities, lands and endowments the same as the abrahamics get to do only. To start with.

Anyway, it'll be a repeat of what I've already expounded upon multiple times previously on these same pages. Peace.
Any kind of action regarding schools/institutions will be challenged.Any pro hindu action will be vigorously campaigned against by Social Justice Warriors. Currently existing judges are selecting judges and congress connections run deep. Example: Ranjan Gogoi is son of Tarun Gogoui, the previous congress chief minister of Assam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... t_of_India

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:09 am

Raj wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:29 am
Any kind of action regarding schools/institutions will be challenged.Any pro hindu action will be vigorously campaigned against by Social Justice Warriors. Currently existing judges are selecting judges and congress connections run deep. Example: Ranjan Gogoi is son of Tarun Gogoui, the previous congress chief minister of Assam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... t_of_India
Perhaps so. So wait until we have a RS majority etc, maybe? I'd have happily gone with that explanation 2 yrs ago. Now however, such sounds increasingly like a cop out, some excuse to do nothing.

While revoking mainority privileges will be challenged, opposing the same to Hindu institutions is less easily done. At least try. Show that you are trying. Define what a 'Hindu school' means, for example - where the Gita is taught, or where Samskrit is third language or some such set of criteria and then extend to Hindu schools all the privileges currently availed only by mainority schools.

Let the BIF howl. Will at least show who is positioned where, uses what tactics etc. Smokes out BIFs from all around. Right now govt is doing nothing. zilch. nada. While every year, we lose a precious more in mis-educated/indoctrinated schoolkids and lose some more of our cultural and traditional moorings. Bit by bit.

Anyway, rehash happening of old arguments. Will stop here. Peace.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:14 am

Meanwhile, the yogi shows how to disregard BIF lootyens cabals and bash on regardless, whether on the governance front or elsewhere.

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Translation:

1. Cleanliness App and Call center.
2. All open garbage collection containers will henceforth be closed. Modern techniques will be used for collection and disposal.
3. Special call center will hear cleanliness related complaints, time-bound manner of action for complaint-redressal
4. Cleanliness app can also be used to report complaints of dirt in public places.

Jai ho.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:17 am

Hari Seldon wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:09 am
Raj wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:29 am
Any kind of action regarding schools/institutions will be challenged.Any pro hindu action will be vigorously campaigned against by Social Justice Warriors. Currently existing judges are selecting judges and congress connections run deep. Example: Ranjan Gogoi is son of Tarun Gogoui, the previous congress chief minister of Assam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... t_of_India
Perhaps so. So wait until we have a RS majority etc, maybe? I'd have happily gone with that explanation 2 yrs ago. Now however, such sounds increasingly like a cop out, some excuse to do nothing.

While revoking mainority privileges will be challenged, opposing the same to Hindu institutions is less easily done. At least try. Show that you are trying. Define what a 'Hindu school' means, for example - where the Gita is taught, or where Samskrit is third language or some such set of criteria and then extend to Hindu schools all the privileges currently availed only by mainority schools.

Let the BIF howl. Will at least show who is positioned where, uses what tactics etc. Smokes out BIFs from all around. Right now govt is doing nothing. zilch. nada. While every year, we lose a precious more in mis-educated/indoctrinated schoolkids and lose some more of our cultural and traditional moorings. Bit by bit.

Anyway, rehash happening of old arguments. Will stop here. Peace.
Isnt this being done across states, with Media campaigns against Suryanamskar to Bhagvad Gita teaching in Govt schools run in BJP states like MP Rajastan etc. Even changes in NCERT are being criticized, so cant say no one is trying.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandragupta » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:01 am

I was reading an answer on Quora about Muslim growth rate and there was an answer on Bihar. So I asked my friend who's from Bihar and guess what, situation is worse than it looks. She said the slum behind her house is 100% Muslim and the women there work as maids & domestic helps in Hindu homes nearby. Says the average number of children they have by the age of 25-26 is 7 to 8. Some even have 12-14 kids. All go to madrasas and have no decent education.

So its hardly about BJP or Congress. Hindu India is going to fall demographically before it does politically. Having Congress means it falls 20 years earlier, that's just it.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:12 pm

Something tells me that India will survive this demographic war just as she has survived for centuries before this. If it is any consolation, this isn't India's war alone. The entire world is being run over by this. So they either stand together or perish together. Perhaps this is how humanity will become extinct - be completely subsumed by a race that despises art, culture, science and education and prefers indulging in sexual depravity and murderous conquests.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:52 pm

Hari Seldon wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:14 am
Meanwhile, the yogi shows how to disregard BIF lootyens cabals and bash on regardless, whether on the governance front or elsewhere.

Translation:

1. Cleanliness App and Call center.
2. All open garbage collection containers will henceforth be closed. Modern techniques will be used for collection and disposal.
3. Special call center will hear cleanliness related complaints, time-bound manner of action for complaint-redressal
4. Cleanliness app can also be used to report complaints of dirt in public places.

Jai ho.
Unfortunately, we seem to need a Yindoo Fundoo Yogi to do what should have been done by ALL states on the day Swacch Bharat was deployed. Modi seems to tread too soft on states. He refrains from pushing them hard on even schemes that make common sense.

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