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[jamwal]

Copied from series of tweets by Joseph T Noony @JoeAgneya
Will make you sad that inspite of being from a culture that was so clearly advanced intellectually way higher than others you are destined to see it being insulted constantly & considered lowly, poverty ridden in most of the world. READ CAREFULLY
1) Jesuits, 'soldiers of Christ', aren't your average priests. An order founded in 1540, it had great emphasis on scholarship, learning native languages and unorthodox approaches to missionary work. Pope Francis is a Jesuit, which explains his liberal views
2) Naturally, the Jesuits had no qualms about amassing any astronomical & mathematical knowledge from the pagan lands they went to proselytize in. India was no exception. They were very active in Kerala, where they gained access to Yuktibhasa, the seminal manuscript of Calculus.
3) At that time, Europe was struggling with a calendar problem-Their Julian calendar with leaps years had cumulatively lost 8 days by 1200s & kept getting worse! Pope Gregory ordered the Jesuits to gather whatever knowledge they could from Pagans-They came back with Indian Calculus
4) But neither Jesuits NOR ANY of the European scholars at that time had the mental capacity to understand the ADVANCED calculus. Not Galilio, not Copernicus, not Tycho Brahe. They stared stupidly at the Calculus in the manuscripts, taking only the astronomy
5) Even the chief Jesuit mathematician Christopher Clavius who oversaw the manuscript gathering & calendar reform was helpless. It is notable that he was one of the FIRST Europeans to start using the INDIAN decimal point- Probably the only thing he understood from the Yuktibhasa
6) While Clavius took the decimal system from the Pagan texts, others too were busy in their appropriations. Tycho Brahe who undoubtedly had direct access to Kerala school manuscripts did a blunder deserving a new proverb-
"When you copy someone's work, you also copy the blunders"
7) Tycho Brahe, while studying the Yuktibhasa, stumbled upon the erroneous planetary model of Neelakantha Somayaji who believed that all planets except earth revolves around the sun, which in turn revolves around the earth- the 'Tychonic Model'.
Coincidence?
8) Tycho's predecessor Nicholas Copernicus had already obtained the heliocentric model from the texts of Brahmagupta and Bhaskara via Arab sources . But the copy-cat disciple took a step backwards.This caused disagreement with assistant Johannes Keplar who fixed it after Tycho died.
9) Johannes Keplar finally compiled all the astronomical knowledge amassed from Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta, Bhaskara and Madhava and declared the 'Laws of planetary motion', components of which was already known in India since Aryabhatta including the law of 'elliptical orbits'.
10) But we still haven't reached calculus!
None of these people could understand it, let alone apply it! Not even the great Johannes Keplar. They only took the necessary astronomy for Gregorian reforms,the decimal, rudimentary mathematics & some blunders.
11) Calculus waited for the day another Avatara, a genius like Bhaskara or Madhava to take birth again!
Back in India, we had already sunk into the darkest age. Vijayanagar fell & the whole country plunged into desert barbarism. Kerala school, the last temple of reason, also died out
12) That genius was born in 1642. He was Issac Newton. He finally comprehended the calculus, applied it to the law of gravitation(which itself was discovered by Bhaskara) unifying physics & math.
For First time in history, Europe overtook India in science.
13) It was not just Issac newton though. In the 17th century, a large number of Europeans were having independent access to these manuscripts. And they were all claiming to have rediscovered the mathematical results on their own! Shameless! Leibniz, Fermat, Euler, Pascal and others!
14) The results in the Yuktibhasa started popping up ALL OVER Europe like pimples at the same time.In the 17thC! They gave their own name to the infinite series. Newton & Leibniz were bitterly fighting over it! Thieves fighting over who stole it first!
15) But the fact of the matter is, NONE OF THEM could produce formal proof of how they derived the results. They had pulled it out of thin air. Thats why we have a story of Newton & the apple of enlightenment falling on his head! But we know Yuktibhasa was not grown on an apple tree
16) newton knew that he was appropriating without due attribution to sources. That is exactly what plagiarism means. Perhaps he felt guilty.For he may not have known the names of the intellectual giants-Bhaskara, Madhava, Jyesthadeva, Neelakanta-The true fathers of Analytical science
17) I have compiled in as concisely few tweets as possible only the key motives & circumstances of the transmission. But the actual mathematical aspects, additional evidences & implications are complex.Please share with family, friends & also strangers.It's the only way to reclaim it. For those who wish to have a deeper understanding, do read "Cultural Foundations of Mathematics: The Nature of Mathematical Proof " by Prof CK Raju. It is quite technical & abstruse. A bit costly too. An easier way is his website ckraju.net
Basically stole from Bharat, never gave credit even vaguely, used stolen work to drive industrial revolution, colonized & looted Bharat using Bharatiya knowledge
And present day Indians in turn glorified the thieves as great thinkers and inventors to a level where our kids are taught of them as heroes in school books and professional degree courses while the original inventors like Bhaskara lie in some corner unknown unsung in own country
Wow! What a sad confused state of affairs
To know a bit about the original text yuktibhasha read Wikipedia entry here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuktibhāṣā

[Chandragupta]

^^Can't understand any of it

Is anyone following https://twitter.com/tufailelif Tufail Ahmad

I have seen the descent of this anti-Islamist activist to a mild Islamist & mild Hinduphobe and it has taken me by surprise.

Re: Jamwal ji's post

The neglect we have towards our own culture & heritage is like nowhere else in the world. Even if you show this to a dhimmi, he will laugh & scoff at you for questioning the mighty Newton & Keplar & Tycho. We are truly dhimmified & ashamed of ourselves.

[KJo]

Chandragupta, you feel this way because we are probably the only ancient civilization still surviving along with the Chinese. All other ones like Greek, Egyptian, Mesopotamian have been killed off or culturally enslaved (converted).

All said and done, I think we are okay. We have survived somewhat intact and can rise if we work at it. You are right though, we show scant respect at our own heritage and only look at it when the gora gives it some bhaav.

[Primus]

^^Can't understand any of it

Is anyone following https://twitter.com/tufailelif Tufail Ahmad

I have seen the descent of this anti-Islamist activist to a mild Islamist & mild Hinduphobe and it has taken me by surprise.

Re: Jamwal ji's post

The neglect we have towards our own culture & heritage is like nowhere else in the world. Even if you show this to a dhimmi, he will laugh & scoff at you for questioning the mighty Newton & Keplar & Tycho. We are truly dhimmified & ashamed of ourselves.

J, I am not a native Tamil speaker but understood most of it since I went to college in the area. The content is otherwise not for 'naarthies'. I posted it here for the members from TN - I am sure we have many.

Yes, Tufail Ahmad used to be very much another Tarek Fateh (who also seems to have dropped off the radar now). It is the relentless assault by the leftist cabal everywhere that takes its toll on any 'moderate' voice. The Western media is forever perpetuating the same 'Islam is Peace' meme and in a desperate attempt to appear liberal enough, they often outdo one another. Trump's entry into the WH has triggered a tsunami of appeasement and frequent highlighting of the 'plight of the poor muslims' of the world cf the Rohingyas. NY Times has a front page article on it this week. As a result anybody speaking up against Islamic Jihad is immediately labeled a racist, intolerant Islamophobe and clubbed along with the KKK.

On a related note, a good friend of SHQ, a muslim woman I knew well as a modern, liberal and carefree person called after many years to say she is now a 'pious' muslim and has started wearing the hijab and doing all the things that she 'was supposed to do but never did'. All of this came about because of what she sees happening around the world and from hanging out with a group of friends who are 'well versed in Islamic literature'. She is now a 'born-again' muslim. The power of persuasion is unstoppable in some instances.

[Yagnasri]

"Moderate Muslims" most of the time are just hiding their "peacefulness" for advantage. We will be idiots to accept them.

[Singha]

journalist arrested for extortion tape
http://www.news18.com/news/india/ex-bbc ... 58643.html

[Chandragupta]

"Moderate Muslims" most of the time are just hiding their "peacefulness" for advantage. We will be idiots to accept them.

We should not even be using this term 'Moderate Muslims'. It is an oxymoron. Anyone who isnt wahabi is simply not following Islam properly. Those who criticise ISIS as being unislamic are either liars or not true Muslims themselves. ISIS has justified with proper historical references and documentation why their actions are 200% pakka Islamic and as per their Prophet's direction. There is simply no room for argument. Most muslims will tuck tail and run if you present these arguments or most will simply deny even after knowing well enough that they are true word by word.

Anyone who believes a Muslim is an idiot and is destined to be extinct.

[jamwal]

Tarek Fatah is undergoing treatment for cancer. He is less active these days.

[Sajith]

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[jamwal]

CONVERSATION BETWEEN SADHGURU && SHASHI THAROOR :-

Sadhguru - All those invaders whether Britishers or the Mughals or even the invaders before that were brutal & need no human consideration. They are in no way a part of us or our culture.

Shashi Tharoor - How can you say this? Mughals came to conquer initially but lived here & died here. They made this their home land. So, they must be recognised as a part of us & our culture.

Sadhguru - So, by your logic, if World War II had not happened & the Britishers had stayed back in India thereby increasing their population till today, you will recognise them too as a part of us & our culture. Right?

Shashi Tharoor -

Sadhguru - I know many like you who are admirers of Mughals exist in India till today who hypocritically abuse only Britishers just bcoz they left India in 1947. Only cowards abuse the enemy staying far off & refuse to accept the harsh reality still surrounding us as they are not gutsy enough to digest the bitter truth.

Shashi Tharoor - But but but...Sadguru, Britishers looted all our wealth & took it to England. Did Mughals loot us? If yes, why didn't they go back with the looted wealth to their original home land?

Sadhguru - It could be probably bcoz they didn't have the cruise like ships with them.
(Audience burst out with laughter)

Sadhguru - Neither they were interested in doing scientific researches & technological innovations & engineering unlike the ancient Indians or the Britishers.

Shashi Tharoor - So, what according to you they were only interested in?

Sadhguru - Building harems after making kafir women their slaves, destroying Indian traditions, destroying temples & building mosques over them, imposing Jizya tax on the people whom they hated the most & considered them kafir, carrying out mass scale conversions at the point of sword, killing brutally legendary Indians like Guru Teg Bahadur, Sambhaji, etc. etc. just bcoz they refused to accept their religion. These are only few examples of their brutalities. They were extremely intolerant & barbaric. Even Osama Bin Laden was nothing more than a child in front of them.

Shashi Tharoor - It's ok. U may be right. But will u not accept the fact that whatever they looted, they didn't took it anywhere else. They kept it herein India itself.

Sadhguru - That means if right now I loot all your wealth at the gun point & keep it at my residence which is few kilometres away from this place, you shouldn't have any problem bcoz I am keeping it all here in India itself & not carrying it anywhere else outside India. If I build another Red Fort, another Taj Mahal or another Qutub Minar with that looted wealth, you should not cry or file FIR against me.

Shashi Tharoor - Sadguru Ji, by your logic, even Parliament, President's house, Supreme Court, High Court & all courts, Railways, post offices are all built from the same looted wealth of Indian masses. Will you recommend to demolish those even?

Sadhguru - First of all I never said to demolish them. U just quoted them like Asaddudin Owaisi to use hatred as a tool & score some political points. But yes, I feel a free nation must get rid of its all symbols of slavery including language that reminds their future generations of the slavery of the past. Moreover, did you just forget that all those structures from Parliament to Post offices are occupied by us back again & is used for day to day administrative & legal activities? While the Mughal structures are being just used as showcase to generate meagre revenue.

Shashi Tharoor - At least we are generating some revenue out of it coz it attracts tourists.

Sadhguru - Don't you know even a public toilet on any big railway station fetches around 2 lakh rupees monthly on an average. Now, just calculate the number of public toilets in India & compare the revenue collected with the revenue of these medieval architectures.

Shashi Tharoor -

[Yagnasri]

I need youtube link for this conversation. Please provide.

[jamwal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4KiOCai2hE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RVTdmXs9NA

[Primus]

I need youtube link for this conversation. Please provide.

Here you go. Most of this conversation is scattered over several videos, but here is the meat of it.

[chilarai]

"Moderate Muslims" most of the time are just hiding their "peacefulness" for advantage. We will be idiots to accept them.

We should not even be using this term 'Moderate Muslims'. It is an oxymoron. Anyone who isnt wahabi is simply not following Islam properly. Those who criticise ISIS as being unislamic are either liars or not true Muslims themselves. ISIS has justified with proper historical references and documentation why their actions are 200% pakka Islamic and as per their Prophet's direction. There is simply no room for argument. Most muslims will tuck tail and run if you present these arguments or most will simply deny even after knowing well enough that they are true word by word.

Anyone who believes a Muslim is an idiot and is destined to be extinct.

Indeed .. what is this moderate and non moderate muslim. You either follow the book and are a muslim or you dont and you are not a muslim. There is absolutely no middle ground here.

[Primus]

"Moderate Muslims" most of the time are just hiding their "peacefulness" for advantage. We will be idiots to accept them.

We should not even be using this term 'Moderate Muslims'. It is an oxymoron. Anyone who isnt wahabi is simply not following Islam properly. Those who criticise ISIS as being unislamic are either liars or not true Muslims themselves. ISIS has justified with proper historical references and documentation why their actions are 200% pakka Islamic and as per their Prophet's direction. There is simply no room for argument. Most muslims will tuck tail and run if you present these arguments or most will simply deny even after knowing well enough that they are true word by word.

Anyone who believes a Muslim is an idiot and is destined to be extinct.

Indeed .. what is this moderate and non moderate muslim. You either follow the book and are a muslim or you dont and you are not a muslim. There is absolutely no middle ground here.

There are certain ground realities one needs to be cognizant of. Muslims in India or elsewhere are not going away and neither is Islam. We may wish it away but it is not going to happen. No amount of 'ghar wapsi' is going to assimilate 100 million muslims (or more) into the Dharmic fold. So a solution has to be found which does not lead to a war ending in the loss of millions of lives.

Many of us living outside India are forced into contact with Islam and muslims on a daily basis. Some are colleagues, some clients in our respective businesses. Some are friends of friends in the large social circle we have and some, through marriage are now within the extended family. There is no way you can ignore them or be hostile towards them. Majority of these people are actually quite nice, friendly, even fun to hang out with. They too have the same aspirations and goals as most of us. There are always exceptions and you learn about those very quickly. However, even within this 'friendly' group of muslims there are certain rules. You NEVER discuss Islam, terrorism, religion or any of those topics. Certain things are taboo in their presence. As long as you can do that the relationship remains cordial and even pleasant.

You cannot thus completely ignore this large mass of humanity in your midst that you interact with daily, that your children may call close friends, that your relatives may be married to. Whether moderate or not, the reality is that in the social milieu and 'melting pot' (or garden salad as I prefer it) that the modern world is, the only solution that will work is one that allows equal rights and equal respect to all citizens.

The problem is that Islam explicitly does not permit this and actually exhorts its adherents to do the opposite. The more 'pious' a faithful the more likely to follow these diktats and thus become slowly but surely radical in his views at least, if not actions too. Which is why the progression of a friend from a 'moderate', alcohol-swilling, party type to a hijab wearing, 'observant' muslim is disturbing. Sadly this trend seems to be increasing all over the world. Hindus who have finally woken up will need to smell the coffee soon, because most that I know are still in the 'Islam is peace' mode.

In India there is increasing polarization on both sides and a conflict the size of which has not been seen yet is bound to come, how we deal with it will determine the fate of the country and ultimately, the world.

[Indrad]

primus that was a good post!

Don;t know how to say...long back in school days had crush on a lady momin, those days I was more secular than Javed Akhtar saab. So peaceful that I would have embarrassed Kejriwal with my urdu/ganga jamuni......, being an instrumentalist I always had opportunity to interact with people from all walk of life this carried even into college.
To cut long story short, after wapp entered our lives, lady momin and me got in touch and feeling from other side has been soft always..
but I must keep religion, terror, radicalisation discussion out..if I dare to speak on them...katti for many days...
Also I notice lady momin's (now a Canadian) stance has hardened like most of us, blaming West and many of us for maligning M.
firmly believing 9/11 was inside (see eye aa job) etc...

[Indrad]

on other news

Radio Mirchi, a Delhi based FM radio station has been served a show-cause notice by the government for its campaign, where it asked foreign tourists not to visit India.

Earlier today, we had reported how a twitter troll named Akash Bannerjee, who is also the vice-president of Radio Mirchi had shared a video under the FM station’s brand name, which urged foreign tourists to not visit India. This absurd campaign was in response to a horrific attack on Swiss tourists in Agra.

I&B Ministry issues show cause notice to Radio Mirchi for its anti-India campaign

[Primus]

primus that was a good post!

Don;t know how to say...long back in school days had crush on a lady momin, those days I was more secular than Javed Akhtar saab. So peaceful that I would have embarrassed Kejriwal with my urdu/ganga jamuni......, being an instrumentalist I always had opportunity to interact with people from all walk of life this carried even into college.
To cut long story short, after wapp entered our lives, lady momin and me got in touch and feeling from other side has been soft always..
but I must keep religion, terror, radicalisation discussion out..if I dare to speak on them...katti for many days...
Also I notice lady momin's (now a Canadian) stance has hardened like most of us, blaming West and many of us for maligning M.
firmly believing 9/11 was inside (see eye aa job) etc...

ID, I hear you.

I grew up in Hyderabad and in the four-family house across from ours lived a Sikh, a Muslim, a Brahmin and a Reddy family. As kids and even teenagers, we hung out with each other, played cricket, badminton, chor-sipahi and what not. There was no distinction of gender either, all of us boys and the girls, even from the muslim household used to play together. Their brother taught me how to drive a car. We had seviyan at their house on Eid, they had mithai at ours on Holi or Diwali. We were all innocent of our bloody history, living in a Nehruvian utopia (seemed so at the time). This was before the Munich Olympics and the unleashing of terror as a political tool upon the world.

It is a different time and a different place now. Continued appeasement of Muslims by successive Congress governments, the terrible tragedy of the Kashmiri Pandits, the raging fire in our hearts over the unresolved Ram Mandir, the Paki terror tactics over the years with little retaliation from a pusillanimous Indian leadership have all done the unthinkable - brought the Hindus to a realization that their very existence is at stake - agar ab nahi to phir kabhi nahin!

The muslims are no less agitated, thanks to the bumbling 'war on terror' by a clueless US government where the wrong country is attacked and the wrong people killed. Funny thing is, a guy draws cartoons in Denmark and the muslims attack the Indian embassy in Pakistan. For them, any insult to Islam anywhere in the world is a license to attack Hindus. They see us as the whipping boys of the West and this too is increasing with time.

Not going to end easily.

[dsreedhar]

Jamwalji, that was a good one from Sadhguru. The gloves off, put aside the political correctness and call out what it is as it is.

In that session, he mentioned about his visit to Kanyakumari where he had to be given protection by 300 security guards bcoz of the locale there. That reminded me of an instance from a friend who mentioned a small ISCKON group in Kerala (guess kannur) were escorted by police all thru the tour. Initially they were denied but with much insistence and higher up they were allowed. Their excuse was to avoid commercializing(???)

I couldn't find the later part of your conversation content- building harems, brutally killing Guru Teg bahadur and the rest of it. If you could, please post the link to that piece.

[Indrad]

today had a day long battle on wapp forum of school batch.
one Hindu librandu-Adarsh liberal type was arguing
-it is OK for SC to ban patakha (cos we have to start somewhere)
- offerings to God is waste of cereal/grain/milk
- why angry on SC now, why were you happy with T3

With so many girls on forum as well, I almost had to go full monty to blast him as I was completely unsupported by any one.
Though forum has only one M, no one wants to be the 'black sheep'

while I successfully contained librandu on most of the issues, on T3 vs cracker ban I argued
these are two diff issues if some one thinks |T3 is good and SC is bad they can go back to the court and pull an ars of themselves
what do you guys say?

This is not the first time I m hearing equivalence between cracker ban vs T3 judgement/ what should be the argument?

[srikumar]

^ Ask them a simple question: are they for or against the T3 ban, and if they support the ban why? If against, why so. The answers will be interesting. Try to get a substantive answer instead of a rhetorical/evasive/diversionary answer.

[jamwal]

[Chandragupta]

primus that was a good post!

Don;t know how to say...long back in school days had crush on a lady momin, those days I was more secular than Javed Akhtar saab. So peaceful that I would have embarrassed Kejriwal with my urdu/ganga jamuni......, being an instrumentalist I always had opportunity to interact with people from all walk of life this carried even into college.
To cut long story short, after wapp entered our lives, lady momin and me got in touch and feeling from other side has been soft always..
but I must keep religion, terror, radicalisation discussion out..if I dare to speak on them...katti for many days...
Also I notice lady momin's (now a Canadian) stance has hardened like most of us, blaming West and many of us for maligning M.
firmly believing 9/11 was inside (see eye aa job) etc...

ID, I hear you.

I grew up in Hyderabad and in the four-family house across from ours lived a Sikh, a Muslim, a Brahmin and a Reddy family. As kids and even teenagers, we hung out with each other, played cricket, badminton, chor-sipahi and what not. There was no distinction of gender either, all of us boys and the girls, even from the muslim household used to play together. Their brother taught me how to drive a car. We had seviyan at their house on Eid, they had mithai at ours on Holi or Diwali. We were all innocent of our bloody history, living in a Nehruvian utopia (seemed so at the time). This was before the Munich Olympics and the unleashing of terror as a political tool upon the world.

It is a different time and a different place now. Continued appeasement of Muslims by successive Congress governments, the terrible tragedy of the Kashmiri Pandits, the raging fire in our hearts over the unresolved Ram Mandir, the Paki terror tactics over the years with little retaliation from a pusillanimous Indian leadership have all done the unthinkable - brought the Hindus to a realization that their very existence is at stake - agar ab nahi to phir kabhi nahin!

The muslims are no less agitated, thanks to the bumbling 'war on terror' by a clueless US government where the wrong country is attacked and the wrong people killed. Funny thing is, a guy draws cartoons in Denmark and the muslims attack the Indian embassy in Pakistan. For them, any insult to Islam anywhere in the world is a license to attack Hindus. They see us as the whipping boys of the West and this too is increasing with time.

Not going to end easily.

I have a friend who has the same set up. He tells me how the friendly Christians living across his flat send him cake on Christmas and how the Muslim aunty sends him sweets, so how dare I the fascist tell him that these guys are out to kill Hindus!

This Nehruvian utopia works only as long as there is

a. Large Hindu majority atleast >70%
b. Muslim & Christian privileges
c. Hindus don't raise a finger to question the sekoolar history
d. Hindus don't raise a finger to reclaim their history, temples, traditions etc
e. Hindus must live in eternal gratitude to Muslims & Christians

Whenever a single thing out of these 5 Panchsheel principles change, all hell breaks loose & the world is not secular & pink anymore.

The friendly Muslim aunty will do jackshit when that area becomes Muslim majority & the Mullah demands everyone to sever links with Hindus (later sever their heads). The friendly aunty will shut up & do what the Mullah says, her children will shut up & do what the Mullah says.

The friendly Christian uncle will also do jackshit when the area becomes infested with EJ converts and priest demands absolutely no contact with pagans. When Hindu children are mocked, denied admission into parks & schools. The friendly Christian uncle will not come to your aid, he will do what his priest will say.

It is only the Hindu dodos (Yes, Dodos had a religion, they were Hindus! Everything matches!) who will abuse their own religion and willingly walk into the Guillotine.

[jamwal]

Kashmiri Hindus were more chaddi buddy with Kashmiri muslims than they were with other Hindus. Look what happened there.

[sanjayC]

^^ Agree. They were totally into this Kashmiriat crap and pretended to be closer to Kashmiri Muslims than with Hindus from other parts of India who were treated as "outsiders" and held in contempt. They had rude awakening and now live in tents with their Kashmiriat