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As difficult as some of these lynchings are hard to read about in the news media, I think that it is important to make a record towards an unfortunate and biased Indian news media that does not really report on Hindu murders that are occurring across the country. To some extent, in a country of over a billion people and with its own unique history related to numerous invasions as well as conversions I get the feeling that mob violence while it may be not justified, rates of which I feel seem to be declining over the last few years.
I’m starting this thread because too often we tend to forget those Hindus who unfortunately were victims of Jihadi violence, but whose names are promptly forgotten by the news media. I hope that this can be a thread where we can show that the rate of violence unfortunately exists across the spectrum as a nature of ethnic clashes in India.
Story is on Ramalingam.
Hindu man hacked before son for opposing religious conversion to Islam
https://www.india-aware.com/featured/hi ... -to-islam/
Story on Dhruv Tyagi.
When Delhi witnessed killing of a man opposing daughter’s eve-teasing
https://www.india-aware.com/featured/wh ... e-teasing/
I’m starting this thread because too often we tend to forget those Hindus who unfortunately were victims of Jihadi violence, but whose names are promptly forgotten by the news media. I hope that this can be a thread where we can show that the rate of violence unfortunately exists across the spectrum as a nature of ethnic clashes in India.
Story is on Ramalingam.
Hindu man hacked before son for opposing religious conversion to Islam
https://www.india-aware.com/featured/hi ... -to-islam/
Story on Dhruv Tyagi.
When Delhi witnessed killing of a man opposing daughter’s eve-teasing
https://www.india-aware.com/featured/wh ... e-teasing/
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There is tendency in Indian politicians to not wake up until crap hits fan near home.
We inherited the fk and didn't implement harsh punishment - unless hindoo is involved in celebrating native festivals which is where law comes down heavy. Should have made stringent laws in J&K in 1948 itself when pakis threw armed militants, not hired insurgents or terrorists, across border.
Some problems:
* No one seems to be able to goto the rop-mob area and ask why chanting religious slogans near temple and then attack.
* When rop-mob is involved internet itself is shut down if people start to gather and protest.
* How many get punished for forming rop-mob and being watch dogs while rabid ones go on rampage.
We inherited the fk and didn't implement harsh punishment - unless hindoo is involved in celebrating native festivals which is where law comes down heavy. Should have made stringent laws in J&K in 1948 itself when pakis threw armed militants, not hired insurgents or terrorists, across border.
Some problems:
* No one seems to be able to goto the rop-mob area and ask why chanting religious slogans near temple and then attack.
* When rop-mob is involved internet itself is shut down if people start to gather and protest.
* How many get punished for forming rop-mob and being watch dogs while rabid ones go on rampage.
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I remember the below article and so I'm posting here for reference. There are many more that I can post relief from Kerala, Kannur district as well as the killings in West Bengal as well. However this may be more politically motivated although religion has played a big factor in these killings.If Members are okay for now with the recording political killings here, then I can go ahead and do so. I'm trying to keep it as separate as I can.
Communal tension grips Guntur village as girl kills self, lover is lynched
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-2922147/
Communal tension grips Guntur village as girl kills self, lover is lynched
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-2922147/
Neighbours and relatives of the girl caught hold of V Srisai, a first year B.Tech, and his firend Pavan Kumar, a first year Degree student, and locked them in a room where they were beaten up with sticks and belts.
“When the sticks broke, they brought cricket bats and started hitting us without caring where we were getting hit. Srisai received several blows with the bat on his head and he was bleeding heavily and losing consciousness.
Then they stripped us and took us out and tied us to a tree. They threw chilli powder into our eyes and started beating us again. When I was about to lose consciousness, they would throw water and then start beating again. By the time police arrived, Srisai fell on the ground and lost consciousness,’’ Pavan Kumar, who is recovering at the Repalle Government Hospital near Guntur, said over phone.
Srisai, who received serious head injuries, died on way to hospital. He was a first year B.Tech student at Bapatla. His father V Venkateshwarulu is a government school teacher.
Pavan said his close friend
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Verified account @ippatel
13h13 hours ago
Mohammad Sikandar arrested for raping 7 yr & 4 yr girl in Jaipur.
2 days ago Mohammad Nanhe arrested for raping 6yr girl.
Today Mohammad Ali arrested for raping 5 yr girl in Dayalpur.
Such cases coming from across Bharat, New face of Jihad & Terrorism following Asmani book.
Verified account @ippatel
13h13 hours ago
Mohammad Sikandar arrested for raping 7 yr & 4 yr girl in Jaipur.
2 days ago Mohammad Nanhe arrested for raping 6yr girl.
Today Mohammad Ali arrested for raping 5 yr girl in Dayalpur.
Such cases coming from across Bharat, New face of Jihad & Terrorism following Asmani book.
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If some organized stuff can't understand the Indic culture after staying around for 1500/500 years, what faults stop us to go full chanakian no-holds-barred in the entire subcontinent - while keeping dharmic traditions for desi peoples of all dharmic panths only.
One can begin by how to have common outlook wrt law-n-order which is all that is needed, and not begging around for legitimacy from institutions that are indirectly supported/financed by 'organized' bunch.
Wonder how it would be in USA if a mob is formed and attacks a place of worship.
One can begin by how to have common outlook wrt law-n-order which is all that is needed, and not begging around for legitimacy from institutions that are indirectly supported/financed by 'organized' bunch.
Wonder how it would be in USA if a mob is formed and attacks a place of worship.
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From Facebook: Hindu youth killed by Muslims for refusing to convert to Islam after marrying Muslim girl
Originall posted in Hindi. This is translation by Facebook translate.
The incident of faridabad near Delhi. Where a Muslim family killed the dalit youth sanjay with a lot of badly that you can't even imagine.
Darasala Sanjay and rukhsar were neighbors. Both of them fell in love and then both went to Rajasthan and married. Rukhsar accepted Hindu religion and kept his name rukmini. Both were quite happy in their married life. Nearly returned to faridabad after 8 months, at that time rukhsar was 5 months pregnant.
The family of rukhsar did not accept his marriage with Sanjay. They wanted to accept this marriage only on one condition. His condition was that sanjay should change the religion and accept Islam. But Sanjay and his family did not accept this condition.
This was a lot of attention between the two families. The family members of rukhsar took rukhsar to his home and sanjay also returned to Rajasthan for a few days.
Last year on 15th August when the whole country was celebrating independence day. Then Rukhsar's brother salim called Sanjay and asked him to solve together. Sanjay believed in salim's talk and proved to be the biggest mistake of his life.
On August 16, salim came to the house of Sanjay's faridabad and took him to talk to " talk
After that sanjay never came back home!!!
On August 19, the police found sanjay's dead body in the woods. The police sent the dead body to post-Autopsy. Postmortem report is something like this:
" Sanjay's genitals were cut off. The man was missing, which appears to have been forced out by putting something into it. Both eyes were removed. The lungs were missing as if you were removed from the body. Many teeth were broken. Where there was a tattoo of om on the body, the skin was removed from the skin. "
Police arrested with rukhsar's brother and father and 2 people. According to doctors reports sanjay has been beaten up for several hours.
Now some questions are up. What?
Why was the media making a cry over the so-called mob lynching of tabrez ansari?
Why didn't any dalit organization raise voice for Sanjay?
Can't even call it ' honour killing ' because the family of rukhsar has killed not rukhsar but sanjay, then what would he call it?
Why didn't anyone return their awards?
When the matter is of Hindu, why do all the ' secular ', ' secular ', ' feminist ' disappear?
On these questions you should think yourself. Because now the sanatan society needs a lot of self-thinking and awareness.
Do this article as much as possible so that the sanatan society can be aware.
Originall posted in Hindi. This is translation by Facebook translate.
The incident of faridabad near Delhi. Where a Muslim family killed the dalit youth sanjay with a lot of badly that you can't even imagine.
Darasala Sanjay and rukhsar were neighbors. Both of them fell in love and then both went to Rajasthan and married. Rukhsar accepted Hindu religion and kept his name rukmini. Both were quite happy in their married life. Nearly returned to faridabad after 8 months, at that time rukhsar was 5 months pregnant.
The family of rukhsar did not accept his marriage with Sanjay. They wanted to accept this marriage only on one condition. His condition was that sanjay should change the religion and accept Islam. But Sanjay and his family did not accept this condition.
This was a lot of attention between the two families. The family members of rukhsar took rukhsar to his home and sanjay also returned to Rajasthan for a few days.
Last year on 15th August when the whole country was celebrating independence day. Then Rukhsar's brother salim called Sanjay and asked him to solve together. Sanjay believed in salim's talk and proved to be the biggest mistake of his life.
On August 16, salim came to the house of Sanjay's faridabad and took him to talk to " talk
After that sanjay never came back home!!!
On August 19, the police found sanjay's dead body in the woods. The police sent the dead body to post-Autopsy. Postmortem report is something like this:
" Sanjay's genitals were cut off. The man was missing, which appears to have been forced out by putting something into it. Both eyes were removed. The lungs were missing as if you were removed from the body. Many teeth were broken. Where there was a tattoo of om on the body, the skin was removed from the skin. "
Police arrested with rukhsar's brother and father and 2 people. According to doctors reports sanjay has been beaten up for several hours.
Now some questions are up. What?
Why was the media making a cry over the so-called mob lynching of tabrez ansari?
Why didn't any dalit organization raise voice for Sanjay?
Can't even call it ' honour killing ' because the family of rukhsar has killed not rukhsar but sanjay, then what would he call it?
Why didn't anyone return their awards?
When the matter is of Hindu, why do all the ' secular ', ' secular ', ' feminist ' disappear?
On these questions you should think yourself. Because now the sanatan society needs a lot of self-thinking and awareness.
Do this article as much as possible so that the sanatan society can be aware.
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Stalker stabs girl to death in south Delhi market
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst
Mohammed Shakeel stabbed her 19 year old girl who is a resident of Sarai Kale Khan near Nizamuddin. Please read the report above. From my understanding especially from reports that I received from India, the family is extremely upset being in the family and is not really giving much news to the media. Apparently she had been refusing his advances and hence he threatened her and her family and eventually managed to catch her on her way back from work before rushing her and repeatedly stabbing her in the neck chest and back.
We are hoping to get more details on this unfortunate incident over the next few weeks. I am hoping our resident of Delhi Saurabh will soon be giving us a little bit more news on this matter.
Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst
Mohammed Shakeel stabbed her 19 year old girl who is a resident of Sarai Kale Khan near Nizamuddin. Please read the report above. From my understanding especially from reports that I received from India, the family is extremely upset being in the family and is not really giving much news to the media. Apparently she had been refusing his advances and hence he threatened her and her family and eventually managed to catch her on her way back from work before rushing her and repeatedly stabbing her in the neck chest and back.
We are hoping to get more details on this unfortunate incident over the next few weeks. I am hoping our resident of Delhi Saurabh will soon be giving us a little bit more news on this matter.
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RSS claims worker, wife and son killed in Bengal
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An absolutely gruesome murder as first seen by me on twitter. Some of the videos were truly shocking of the family simply massacred by machete. How can you have so much hate as to machete down a 8 yr old kid. Barely talked about of course and most of the anti-Hindu media channels.
https://twitter.com/souravmishraji/stat ... 14560?s=12
Warning! The above video shows quite disturbing and gruesome images.
Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst
An absolutely gruesome murder as first seen by me on twitter. Some of the videos were truly shocking of the family simply massacred by machete. How can you have so much hate as to machete down a 8 yr old kid. Barely talked about of course and most of the anti-Hindu media channels.
https://twitter.com/souravmishraji/stat ... 14560?s=12
Warning! The above video shows quite disturbing and gruesome images.
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Hindu Mahasabha President Kamlesh Tiwari’s killing was planned two months ago: Police
https://www.india-aware.com/latest/hind ... go-police/
Kamlesh Tiwari’s son wants NIA probe into his father’s killings
https://www.india-aware.com/latest/kaml ... -killings/
https://www.india-aware.com/latest/hind ... go-police/
Kamlesh Tiwari’s son wants NIA probe into his father’s killings
https://www.india-aware.com/latest/kaml ... -killings/
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Sometimes I wish that I really do not look at some of those images on twitter. Kamlesh Tiwari was basically killed Jihada style it seems in the same fashion of halaaling as we have commonly seen with animals. Really brutal way to die.
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Muslim man kills Hindu teen, severs tattooed arms to conceal identity in Punjab
https://www.india-aware.com/latest/musl ... in-punjab/
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Early last year, the police says, Shaqib persuaded Ms Jaswal to move to Meerut. When he panicked that she was close to discovering who he really was, he killed her, they say. In an act of further depravation, he used her phone to share earlier photos of her on her social media accounts to make it seem like she was alive and well.
“They decapitated her and also severed her hands so that she would not be recognized. She had tattooed the accused’s name on her arms. The mobile phone of the girl has been recovered. The accused kept the girl’s WhatsApp account activated from her phone and used to keep on changing her display pictures, giving the girl’s relatives the false impression that she was alive and well, ” said Ajay Sahni, Meerut’s police chief.
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Attacks on Hindus: Terrorists shot dead Kashmiri pandit sarpanch in Jammu and Kashmir’s Anantnag
https://www.india-aware.com/latest/atta ... -anantnag/
https://www.india-aware.com/latest/atta ... -anantnag/
The Hindu sarpanch has been identified as Ajay Pandita. A badly injured Ajay Pandita was rushed to the district hospital for initial treatment but succumbed to his injuries
Terrorists shot dead a sarpanch (village head) in Anantnag district of Jammu and Kashmir on Monday, police said.
Ajay Pandit, sarpanch of the Larkipora area in Anantnag district and a member of the Congress party, was shot at by militants in his native village at around 6 pm, a police official said.
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I hope you all have seen Assam news. a Muslim guy Hussain Ali killed a guy jus for an argument for sitting on a chair. Assam is also suffering problems like Kashmir. see the video
https://twitter.com/BikashRon/status/12 ... 39008?s=20
https://twitter.com/BikashRon/status/12 ... 39008?s=20
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Mewat Part 1
Mewat a new place for Muslims. I am going to tell you some interesting facts about Mewat. Mewat is situated in Haryana. It has 2 or 3 big towns like Hathin, Nuh, or Punhana. You can see in Pakistan Hindu people can't even worship in the temple. On the opposite side in Mewat, there is a village called Singar which has 37 Mosques. there are only 10 to 15 Hindu families. when we come to the population ration 85% Muslim majority is there. in some areas, Hindus are not even allowed to cremation their dead bodies. Mewat is the new Vaynad in Haryana. Mewat is the main area for cow smuggling. 60% of cases are from Mewat only. We will try to come out with the video very soon on Mewat.
Mewat a new place for Muslims. I am going to tell you some interesting facts about Mewat. Mewat is situated in Haryana. It has 2 or 3 big towns like Hathin, Nuh, or Punhana. You can see in Pakistan Hindu people can't even worship in the temple. On the opposite side in Mewat, there is a village called Singar which has 37 Mosques. there are only 10 to 15 Hindu families. when we come to the population ration 85% Muslim majority is there. in some areas, Hindus are not even allowed to cremation their dead bodies. Mewat is the new Vaynad in Haryana. Mewat is the main area for cow smuggling. 60% of cases are from Mewat only. We will try to come out with the video very soon on Mewat.
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2004 to 2014 Congress was in power and Muslims were comfortable. Bjp came in power and suddenly Muslims come under threat. And they are so threatened that they started murdering Hindus. The latest example you can see Vikram Joshi. He was a journalist. Muslim guys harassed her niece. The main culprit is Kamaludin's son. Vikram Joshi's Nephew said "Some boys including Kamal-ud-Din’s son used to eve-tease my sister. It was her b' day when the incident occurred. My uncle was coming home with her when Kamal-ud-Din’s son attacked him&shot him. And the whole secular lobby is silent on this issue. First, they kill Dr. Narang then Ankit Saxena and Dhruv Tyagi and still going on. Video attached
https://twitter.com/ANINewsUP/status/12 ... 10657?s=20
https://twitter.com/ANINewsUP/status/12 ... 10657?s=20
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Swarajya reporting Shia Iran link...hence Israel embassy as the target...
Israel Embassy Blast: CCTV Footage Shows Cab Dropping Two People To The Embassy, Note Hints Iranian Link |
https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/isra ... he-embassy
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Israel Embassy Blast: CCTV Footage Shows Cab Dropping Two People To The Embassy, Note Hints Iranian Link |
https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/isra ... he-embassy
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Aditya managed to get down to RInkus house and take a video. Worth watching and really appreciate any feedback. Apparently even donated blood on occasion to those that even stabbed him. Some news about that even when taken to the hospital they tracked him down and made sure that no resuscitation attempt was even possible. How many of these stories do we have to keep seeing and reading about?
Also where is that fool Kejriwal, if this was anybody else but a Hindu he would be the first person at the door donating lakhs of central funds to ensure good publicity. However when Hindus gets killed, he is nowhere to be seen.
Also where is that fool Kejriwal, if this was anybody else but a Hindu he would be the first person at the door donating lakhs of central funds to ensure good publicity. However when Hindus gets killed, he is nowhere to be seen.
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Another day, another love Jihad case. Of course foreign news organizations such as NDTV, won't care to report such news. They will continue to report the taqiyya that there is no love Jihad. There is only love till....death....
Muslim boy Laik Khan kills 17-year-old Hindu girl for rejecting his marriage proposal
https://www.india-aware.com/national/mu ... -proposal/
Muslim boy Laik Khan kills 17-year-old Hindu girl for rejecting his marriage proposal
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When Kaushal returned home, he found Khan standing bloodstained with a hammer. He also saw that he locked Neetu inside the house. Kaushal was attempting to stop him, but he lost.
Kaushal told the police that last few months, Laik Khan had pestered Neetu to marry him, but Neetu rejected his proposals. He says that Khan was known to the family, and that he even stayed with them once. Neetu also told her mother about Khan’s suggestion and her eventual rejection.
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They are targeting Hindus in each and every way. They kill ankit sharma, rinku sharma, kamlesh tiwari if they will stand for hindutva. They will kill nikita tomar and other if they are not agreeing for love jihad. A new case from agra Mehtab kidnapped hindu jatt girl see the news ![Image](//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210227/1032fb0bac0c3ce38dc61d0c9b96d5ea.jpg)
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But still Hindu are not understanding their agenda. Some so called secular still believe in Hindu muslim bhai bhai
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But still Hindu are not understanding their agenda. Some so called secular still believe in Hindu muslim bhai bhai
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Seculars, aka Neo converts trying to spin the story as to nonexistence of love Jihad.
‘She Died Fighting Forced Conversion’. Nikita Tomar’s Father Criticises Documentary That Says Her Murder Had Nothing To Do With Religion
‘She Died Fighting Forced Conversion’. Nikita Tomar’s Father Criticises Documentary That Says Her Murder Had Nothing To Do With Religion
A recently released documentary by news portal The Quint however says that Nikita’s murder had nothing to do with religion.
Nikita’s father Moolchand Tomar has reacted sharply to the documentary, calling out the ‘lie’ and repeating his earlier stand that his daughter’s murder is religiously motivated.
The 35-minute documentary called “Mission hate: Finding ‘Jihad’ in interfaith love’ has crossed a lakh views since its release three weeks ago. At 20 minutes mark, the reporter says that “Nikita was brutally killed by her stalker but since the accused was a Muslim and the girl a Hindu, the case was twisted to be one of ‘love jihad’”.
The video shows Nikita’s father as saying that though he had read in the newspaper that Tausif approached Nikita using a Hindu name for himself, he had not heard such a thing himself. “Madam, I don’t know what love jihad is. Only the experts can tell you better,” he is seen as saying in the video.
Moolchand Tomar now says the portal has “twisted” his words.
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I visited dasna temple today. and had a healthy conversation with the priest. let me tell you some amazing facts. it is a temple of Mahabharat kal. Pandavas worshiped here during their exile. Bhagwan parshuram also worshiped here. Slowly Muslims came and now 95% of people are Muslims are here. Before this they have killed almost 4 priests. Now I come to the exact issue of the temple. Arif a Muslim guy who entered in temple and urinating on shivling was slapped by disciple of Guruji. He actually came there to break Mata murti of Hindus. So called liberal media came and showed the another angle. when we visited that area we found that a tap outside the temple also. and a tap on a gate of temple also but he entered 500 meter inside the temple and want to drink water that is really base less.
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Temple out image
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Tap outside the temple
![Image](//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210320/b305f8a355a160ee2898da1170da3215.jpg)
Tap inside temple
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Shivling he was trying to urinating
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Some picture i am sharing with proof
Temple out image
![Image](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210320/6a68ccf6f657060e5cebe44fed892b52.jpg)
Tap outside the temple
![Image](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210320/b305f8a355a160ee2898da1170da3215.jpg)
Tap inside temple
![Image](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210320/4fb31963d6682df4f05b927d2c636b01.jpg)
Shivling he was trying to urinating
![Image](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210320/1672e92ad92651c1a66436164f0ee0e9.jpg)
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Re: Islamic Terror in India and Hindu Casualties
Aditya wrote:I visited dasna temple today. and had a healthy conversation with the priest. let me tell you some amazing facts. it is a temple of Mahabharat kal. Pandavas worshiped here during their exile. Bhagwan parshuram also worshiped here. Slowly Muslims came and now 95% of people are Muslims are here. Before this they have killed almost 4 priests. Now I come to the exact issue of the temple. Arif a Muslim guy who entered in temple and urinating on shivling was slapped by disciple of Guruji. He actually came there to break Mata murti of Hindus. So called liberal media came and showed the another angle. when we visited that area we found that a tap outside the temple also. and a tap on a gate of temple also but he entered 500 meter inside the temple and want to drink water that is really base less.
Some picture i am sharing with proof
Temple out image
Tap outside the temple
Tap inside temple
Shivling he was trying to urinating
We are coming with a good video also please stay tune if any information you want let me know
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