The langar also buys a lot of stuff on it's own, apart from the donations in kind.
One can't always dictate or predict what will be donated by the devotees.
The langar also buys a lot of stuff on it's own, apart from the donations in kind.
It is misinformation! all food at Golden Temple is donated by the people in Amritsar and villages around it. All Daal, Rice, Vegetables, milk, sugar, salt, etc is donated! I doubt if Golden temple even pays for the electricity (probably some businessmen have taken up that responsibility)
tighten that dhoti sir.abhijit wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:58 amIt is not the loss. Worry is pan India coalition... the exact same formula which defeated cong and left in NE. BJP worked through coalition with regional parties with single agenda to throw out congress from NE. If the same tenacity is shown by disgruntled regional parties in rest of the india against the bjp then tough times.
SGPC only makes sure that Rahit Maryada is followed and they spend on Dharam Prachar along with various Punjabi and Sikh departments in universities. SGPC also pays salaries to their employees. Even if 2 crore GST (probably on luxury items for its top employees like Cars, etc) is paid it is pittance compare to their annual 1200 crore budget.sbajwa wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 1:49 pmIt is misinformation! all food at Golden Temple is donated by the people in Amritsar and villages around it. All Daal, Rice, Vegetables, milk, sugar, salt, etc is donated! I doubt if Golden temple even pays for the electricity (probably some businessmen have taken up that responsibility)
If Amit Shah did not see it coming then he probably does not deserve to be the BJP President. But the truth is he knew well before that this would happen. Anyone who has not been living under a rock for the past 4 years will know that it is either BJP or not-BJP, there is no other camp. If you do not vote for BJP, you are voting for everybody else.abhijit wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:51 amI doubt cong jds alliance will scuttle. Both are in for business and know they stand a chance only when together. Congress' sacrifice just to keep bjp at bay is astonishing. I don't think AS anticipated such radical move by Cong. It has given a message that Cong will not shy from sacrifice in 2019.
BJP need good allies.
Bigger problem I see is psychological impact on bjp voters. If they start thinking 2019 is lost cause then they might not even come out to vote.
BJP supporters should set aside their differences and vote. In fact every vote counts now.
The majority has already started to think like a single vote bank.Gus wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 3:27 pm"So expect them to put all possibilities at stake even if it means a 30 party govt. The only way PIFs and Modi can survive is by winning a direct majority. Anything short, KA will be repeated."
of course, they'll do everything...but in a 30 party govt, there's only one PM ship to offer and not 30 PMships.
and whatever posts con party can offer, bjp can offer too..
what i am saying is - a three party dynamics is fundamentally different from a 20 party dynamics.
2 & 3 can gang up on 1, but in a 1,2,3,....20 scenario, 1 has a lot of options to make up majority.
Karnataka results have split the Right-Wing electorate vertically into two. While some claim that the defeat is a result of inaction on the Core Hindu agenda, others say it was merely a case of slip between the cup and the lip. The truth depends on which side of the line you stand towards. The fact, however, remains that BJP started testing the water with their Temple fund utilization promise in their manifesto. That promise made the manifesto partially ‘Core’, albeit imperfect.
Twitter is replete with folks on the ‘right’ side of the political spectrum, warning Narendra Modi about similar results in 2019 if the Core Hindu agenda is not fulfilled. While I am a supporter of the Core agenda, I think such threats are pointless.
I think the 93rd Amendment is a travesty. Yes, I think sectarian purse should be abolished. And yes, I think temples must be governed by Hindus and not by a secular state. I believe deeply in the core ideology, though I differ from many of its supporters in not sharing an “all or none” approach.
The most common point of disaffection is that the Prime Minister has not done anything for Hindus. Ladies and gentlemen of the ‘core’, why was a manifesto that promised “proper utilization of temple funds” rejected in Karnataka? Is it not weird that you want BJP to fulfill the Core agenda and at the same time, you reject a manifesto that wants to test ‘Core’ waters? Haven’t you just told the politicians that you will punish them for perceived mistakes of the past, no matter what the present and future plan is? How do you expect the politician to take you seriously when you can’t stand by your own agenda – howsoever imperfect it is? On a related note: this particular promise was made because of mathas and not the folks who support the ‘core’ agenda.
A politician, any politician is in the business of winning elections. Any promise made to an interest group should come with a commensurate and tangible increase in his/her ability to win elections. It is the cynical reality of electoral politics. I elaborate my understanding of the Core agenda’s strengths and weaknesses vis-a-vis the electoral process below. In order to explain this, I broadly divide the polity [vote banks] into the following segments: Minorities, Majority Secular, Majority Hindu, and Majority Core. The reason I am not delving into caste groups is that ‘Core’ is basically a Hindu cause.
Minorities typically vote against BJP [a ~15% negative vote]. This leaves us with the other three voter segments. Of those, Majority secular is the largest group in Urban India. The Majority Secular are easily offended by political incorrectness, easily influenced/shamed by English Language Media, and believe in “Ganga Jamuna Tehzeeb”. When they hear anything that remotely affects their definition of “secularism”, they turn against BJP. This group has to be appeased, for their numbers are crucial to winning decisively.
The remaining urban Hindu vote is divided into Majority Hindu votes and a small fraction into ‘Core’ votes. The Majority Hindu vote often acts to counter the Minority consolidation. To my limited knowledge, ‘Core’ hasn’t exhibited an election-altering quorum, nor has there been a study of urban reception for #core ideology.
While Rural Hindus have more “Majority Hindus”, they are splintered easily on lines of caste. Even when they are not splintered, they are more worried about tangible Hindutva politics such as the Ram Mandir issue. The Core, again, gets short shifted.
While the Core team may claim sufficient strength to affect several seats [as it happened in Bangalore] via NOTA, I suspect they are spread across the city evenly, and won’t be able to leverage their numbers. In a close analogy, INC had more voters in Karnataka but their even spread across the state resulted in less number of seats.
So, if the ‘Core’ has no electoral pull in urban or rural seats, why should politicians take them seriously? The answer is civilizational. We expect one political party [BJP here] to fight our civilizational battles, without any immediate benefit. In business terms, this is a blue sky project, albeit a worthy one. We want someone to invest in us for our idea – with no prototype, nor any income streams in the near future; in the hopes that they will reap a huge benefit in the long term.
However, the person who invests in a blue-sky project is not a peer. S/he is a patron or a matron. And your project is at the mercy of the patron. No amount of philosophizing, or civilizational reasoning changes this simple equation. Core ideology needs political patronage at this stage of its evolution.
Most ‘Core’ voters will say at this point: “we won’t vote for BJP, and will refuse their patronage too”. The ‘Core’ team are entitled to take this stance. On the flip side though, let me assume for a moment that the ‘Core’ is more prevalent than it appears to be and they manage to defeat BJP in 2019. What next? I have already argued the case scenarios for both BJP and the ‘Core’ in one of my blogs.
If the ‘Core’ brings down NDA in 2019 [doesn’t matter if it is active or passive], this is my prediction:
“The ideological opponents will likely use everything at their disposal to hunt and smother the fledgeling RW. Especially since the RW has exposed its own thought leaders since 2014. Moreover, bringing back UPA3 will certainly bring back sectarian lawmaking with a vengeance.”
https://medium.com/@TheLordWalrus/the-r ... d02996adfe
Must-read link
The last point about “sectarian lawmaking”, was elaborately dealt with by one of the stalwart tweeples of the ‘Core’ team, Hariprasad N [link to the article here].
http://www.opindia.com/2018/02/from-mas ... maginable/
Another must-read link
So, is it a catch 22 for ‘Core’? Is it the case that they can neither demand what they want nor save face for their ideology? I do not think so. I think the issue is one of understanding the transactional nature of politics. And it is a simple one to address.
For some reason, we “citizens” tend to think less of politicians. This is a general comment, applying to almost all citizens and to politicians of all hues. We think all politicians [with very few honourable exceptions] as lesser humans who are up for a sale. We think of them as manipulative people, with no higher thought in their lives. We see them as tools for our upliftment, as mere agents for a change we wish to see around us. All of this and more is true of the nature of their jobs. But, it is also true that they are humans. They are people like us with likes, dislikes, convictions, virtues and vices. Just because we are only shown the worst of their species, we make the mistake of treating every one of them just the same.
My request to the ‘core’ is to actively shed this thought and engage with politicians as stakeholders in the future you envision. In TirukkuRaL, VaLLuvar says “இனிய உளவாக இன்னாதக் கூறல் கனியிருப்பக் காய் கவர்ந்தற்று” – to speak harsh words when you can speak sweeter ones, will have the same difference between attraction to ripe and unripe fruits.
We, the Hindu right and the #core, need to use the art of sweet talking our politicians. They are people, and luckily in BJP, many grass root politicians still believe in doing good for this country. Meet them halfway, convince them to buy into the ‘Core’ idea. Most importantly, have faith.
Maybe not everyone will listen to you, but then we have to try until we find one who will. That is our burden in this cause.
Dear audience,Fadnavis did the right thing. Read the news. It is for purposes like education and hospitals not for Dubai malls. Better than land getting encroached or sold illegally.
Modiji indeed has tough task ahead. He has to let Devendra Ghazini aka David Fadnavis and other rss CMs loot temples, and yet Modiji has to maintain image as master temple saver. Modiji has to let his juniors ruin budget private schools, and Modiji has project himself as solution provider against RTE !! Modiji needs a lot of good acting and Modiji has those acting skills. But what is also needed is to ensure that arguments of those who are exposing him dont get reach far. So supporters need to work very hard to raise a fog to cover the truth. And so supporters should NOT question, but work hard to create a fog.Modi and Shah have a very tough battle on hand. They have riled up the existing corrupt, anti-Hindu forces including their foreign sponsors and they are itching to get back. So expect them to put all possibilities at stake even if it means a 30 party govt. The only way PIFs and Modi can survive is by winning a direct majority. Anything short, KA will be repeated.
To be frank, I am happy. And I feel Amit Shah etc. are still on the right track. The BJP & Yeddy could still show the actual true picture before stepping down. They would have lost it, if they had not put a stake to form the government. Yeddy & Co have lost a battle, but seems to be on the right path to winning the war.Lilo wrote:Now that the tathasthu devtas granted your wish, are you now happy with the election outcome of a "hung assembly in KA" which you so much desired ?
+1. All said and done Amit Shah and Na.Mo are seasoned politicians who have seen many ups & downs in their lives. And one good thing they have is the Gujarathi business spirit; that is to keep trying again and always seek multiple options. This is some thing which dinosaurs like the commies can never have.Chandragupta wrote:If Amit Shah did not see it coming then he probably does not deserve to be the BJP President. But the truth is he knew well before that this would happen.
And Jr.Gowdru looks like a Khidmatgar at the Gandhi household. Don't know his humbleness means surrender, or just another taquiya.hanumadu wrote:For the first time, I am seeing a genuine smile on Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi since 2014.
Shakuntala Iyer @shakkuiyer 17h17 hours ago
Pls leave one seat left side to Sonia Gandhi !
We have got used to these extra constitutional exercise of power.
CS, DGP of the state with Karnataka govt's power button .
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Note the hands in the picture, especially the one holding on for dear life and looking really apprehensive.
All three are assiduously protecting their testimonials and that's got to mean something, right??
Body language does indeed speak volumes.
HS jiHari Seldon wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:15 amAll the core wants is acknowledgement that their concerns are legit too, aren't lying abandoned and forgotten somewhere etc. More than that action where such can be taken or at least stated intent in its place. What explains the appointment of Ramchandra Guha and Nalini Sundar to NCERT by Modi sarkar? Why allow rampant marxist distortions in our textbooks in state syllabi of states like RJ (4/5th majority for BJP and 4+ yrs in power there)_ to continue for all these yrs? Etc.
Why is it considered blashphemous or traitorous tobring such avoidable lapses to public attention? Why are we in the core hated for lobbying for our concerns, same as other groups lobby for theirs?
The main NGO coordinating the Sterlite protests is an EJ named Fathima Babu.