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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:13 am

Aditya, you seem to think winning elections means "finishing" INC and its networks. It doesn't work that way. How many times C system bounced back after losing elections? Election is like cricket matches, you win some you lose some. By defeating a cricket team in a match doesn't mean you are destroying the team, the same team will beat you another time. You yourself mentioned if INC returns, it will purge low level karyakartas etc, this is THE "finishing" your opponent employs and understands. Here, BJP is assuaging the very ecosystem, its netas giving more interviews to anti national ecosystem channels than any indic channels. Employing same people even now in important ministries who are part of ecosystem, some of them infact protected big names of ecosystem of the past govt. You missed SSwamy's tweets regarding whose protecting the biggest culprits. What about people in Jammu who voted BJP, they now face existential threat. IDK if you heard of indic collective, they are group of lawyers working on freeing up temples, illegal immigration etc. They said, the present govt is no different from previous govt with it actually comes to formulating policies. This was said by J Sai Deepak.

As a long time BRF'ite, you'd understand "caliber to caliber" fight. You honestly tell me, is BJP doing that after winning state after state with absolute majority in most of the them except may be in UP? Winning elections don't mean jack $hit if you do anything concrete. It can play dirty to win elections but will become taqqiya party after, assuaging BIFs.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:22 am

Aditya_V wrote:Yes But Letting INC win again within the next 10 years only proves thier propaganda is true and will be self defeating. First we need INC and its networks to be finished which will take 10 years. Once that is done an alternative to BJP can be found, but first make INC a zero.
True. The BJP should think of a long haul, rather than some gimmicks which would just keep the extreme right wingers happy. Such people, generally would just prepare another list of "immediate action items" and the BJP would have to execute that as well, with no hopes of getting any returns. Perhaps the BJP itself has figured out how much of their vote percentage comes from very extreme Hindu right wingers. If that is just a miniscule figure, it would be better for them to tap other sources, with mild-Hindutwa etc. etc.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:30 am

Sachin wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:22 am
Aditya_V wrote:Yes But Letting INC win again within the next 10 years only proves thier propaganda is true and will be self defeating. First we need INC and its networks to be finished which will take 10 years. Once that is done an alternative to BJP can be found, but first make INC a zero.
True. The BJP should think of a long haul, rather than some gimmicks which would just keep the extreme right wingers happy. Such people, generally would just prepare another list of "immediate action items" and the BJP would have to execute that as well, with no hopes of getting any returns. Perhaps the BJP itself has figured out how much of their vote percentage comes from very extreme Hindu right wingers. If that is just a miniscule figure, it would be better for them to tap other sources, with mild-Hindutwa etc. etc.
Looks like there are 2 types here, one who want BJP to win, the other who wants indic civilization to continue without past history repeating again. Hence the disconnect.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:45 am

regarding the MS aiyer traitor dinner party

the following also seem to have met kasuri

twitter

Some names of those who met Ex-Pak FM Khursheed Kasuri in Delhi:
MMS/Soz/MS Aiyar: Cong
Hamid Ansari: Ex-VP
MY Tarigami: CPIM
Kapil Kak: Ex-AVM
OP Shah: Ex-Justice
VP Vedic/Sujat Bukhari/Jyoti Malhotra: Journalists
What is it that is cooking up behind the curtain?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:03 am

The usual pigs and other suspects will soon start to squeal about discrimination and ill treatment. ;)



RBI ‘chokes’ money supply to J&K


RBI ‘chokes’ money supply to J&K
Economy likely to be severely affected; RBI spokesperson says notification not in public domain


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Srinagar, Publish Date: Dec 12 2017

RBI ‘chokes’ money supply to J&K

Banking regulator Reserve Bank of India has begun restricting the flow of fresh currency notes to banks operating in Jammu and Kashmir which is likely to hit the state’s economy severely, a top banking functionary said on Tuesday.

The functionary, who insisted not to be named because he wasn’t authorised to speak to media, said that automated teller machine (ATM) transactions are the worst-hit because the RBI has reduced the number of high denomination Rs 500 and Rs 2000 notes to banks operating in “border states such as J&K.”

“J&K has a cash requirement of Rs 700 crore but we receive only Rs 200 crore at the moment. The problem has been prevalent for the past one month and is proving to be severe now. During ATM transactions, customers are able to withdraw only low denomination notes. We receive several customer complaints in this regard,” the banking functionary, who was seconded by his colleague, said. In absence of high denomination currency notes, the cash in ATMs is getting exhausted soon despite regular refilling.

“This is essentially due to presence of low denomination currency notes. We have written to the RBI about this sudden reduction of cash flow because of which the end customer is getting badly affected. The RBI is just going back and forth on the issue and not giving any concrete response,” the functionary said, adding that despite a major drop in cash flow, “we are ensuring that ATMs with exhausted cash are refilled on a regular basis but we are helpless beyond a point.”

There are a total of 1050 ATM kiosks of the J&K bank in the state while rest of the banks have 1382 ATMs.

An official said that mostly low denomination currency notes such as Rs 100 are available with banks, leading to ATMs “running dry” every now and then.

“The capacity to load cash in ATMs has also reduced due to presence of low denomination currency notes. With an adequate flow of cash, an ATM can accommodate Rs 30 lakh to Rs 40 lakh cash at a time but with the cash cut, we are able to accommodate only Rs 5 lakh to Rs 7 lakh cash in an ATM,” the official said.

He said that due to shortage of cash in ATMs especially the high denomination currency notes, customers are forced to visit bank branches, thus increasing the rush there.
“It is ironical that on the one hand the RBI is promoting digital banking and ATM usage, but on the other, it is clipping our wings by restricting the cash flow. If this policy decision is not revoked, we will be economically crippled soon as it has already started affecting the people’s daily lives,” the banking official said.

When contacted, RBI spokesperson Alpana Killawala claimed that there was no official notification with regard to “restriction of cash flow”.

“This is not in the public domain and there is no official notification as of now. I will need to check and get back to you on this,” Killawala said.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:09 am

Just to clarify:

There is *no* scenario - short or long term, economic or civilization, tactical or strategic - wherein an INC win in GJ is good for PIFs. Period. None whatsoever.

A scare might be OK wherein lotus gets a simple majority with a reduced margin but an outright loss? No sir.

Look back to what Yeddiyurappa's egomania wrought upon PIFs in KA - 5 yrs of unmitigated INC disaster. Every single BIF entity strengthened, every single PIF entity weakened.

I'm OK with NM making tactical alliances with the likes of Mehbooba in J&K so as long as the snakes like INC and NC are kept out of power. Or with he Naga people's front in Nagaland. Tactical, common-sensical moves, I can live with.

Dunno about NM in a PM role but Amit bhai Shah is an unabashed, unapologetic Indic warrior. I really appreciated his repeated visits to KL and Kannur's killing fields and his putting the burning issue of PIF workers murdered up front and center. Yogi too had camped and campaigned in KL then. Shah camped in WB too. Its not like nothing is happening. But its too little, too late is the feeling one gets.

PMO should use GoI powers, quietly if necessary, and eliminate threats to peace and security when state gubmints are unwilling or unable to do so, IMHO. Send in a team of special forces to disappear the top 10 most murderous CPM (or TMC) mid level leadership. Bloody act, don;t just pretend helplessness. Only.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:33 am

Pappu in a press conference needed to be passed chits to answer questions.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:45 am

Would it take constitutional amendment or RS majority to dismantle NGT.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:11 am

The C- system runs of loot from in power, this can last 5-10 years. INC system has not been out of power for a major period of time, if they are out power in Centre and Major states for 7-8 years. The Network will collapse . The loot from past years will sustain them for 7-8 years, after that everyone in the system will start keeping money to themselves.

Why was Ahmed Patel RS seat soo important INC Gujarat Mla's were holidaying in Karnataka? It takes 10-15 years of power to turn around a country like India. It is like a Supertanker to be turned at sea. The maximum rate of turn will be slow.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:15 am

Time to show the finger to NGT. Seems like the "green" in its middle name is that of islamism. Only.
ANI‏Verified account @ANI Following Following @ANI
NGT directs Shrine board that there should be no chanting of 'mantras' or 'jaykaras' in Amarnath. NGT also directs that from the last check post there should be single line of people walking towards the cave.


What the bl00dy phak?!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Primus » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:00 pm

SSundar wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:35 am
Well, before those exit polls come out, let me say what's in my mind:

Don't get me wrong. I am rooting for BJP to win Gujarat. If they don't we are in for some disastrous times. That said...

I get the feeling that BJP played too dirty in Gujarat. It could just be my perception but BJP did seem more desperate in Gujarat. Compared to this, their UP campaign seems more dignified and confident.

I am referring to the Hardik Patel viral videos, that Ahmed Patel poster (Which MSM alleged was staged by BJP), Modi deviating from growth message to name-call RaGa, MMS, etc., making too much noise about RaGa Somnath Temple visit, this noise about Pak, etc.

Compared to all the above, the UP campaign feels extremely dignified. The Shamshaan vs. Khabristan comment was classic Modi doing a nudge-nudge-wink-wink to expose the communalization of UP under SaPa.

It just does not feel like BJP is confident of a win and hence allowed themselves to get down to the ground level with Congoons and their 3 stooges.

Again, just my pereption. I would be the first person to be happy if my perception is wrong.

I think BJP and NaMo are slowly taking the gloves off. They've tested the waters for three years, delivered on several promises and are now comfortable in the knowledge that the poor are really with them. They now need the maximum support they can get and simply winning an election is not enough any more. They want to and probably need to win with a massive mandate.

So when talk about their work to uplift Gujarat falls on the deaf ears of the media and the opposition cherry picks their own data (which too is probably distorted), then there is nothing wrong with using different tactics since that may have traction with some voters. I believe the Pak scandal is huge and if handled properly will have long term repercussions for the Congoons.

Expect to see the screws tighten slowly as 2019 approaches, because that really will be the final battle for the soul of India, with all the forces of evil aligned against Dharma. Truly a Mahabharat it will be.

In that context, anything goes. If Yudhishtara has to lie about Ashwatthama, then so be it. This is a Dharmayudh after all.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sanjayC » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:07 pm

NGT is an EJ network set up by Sonia Gandhi to harass Hindu temples and spiritual leaders. Modi needs to disband this ASAP. The people staffing it are publicity hounds

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:23 pm

sanjayC wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:07 pm
NGT is an EJ network set up by Sonia Gandhi to harass Hindu temples and spiritual leaders. Modi needs to disband this ASAP. The people staffing it are publicity hounds
NGT is as per UN charter which India is a signatory. We had to establish it. But the way it is established is a matter of worry. If you read the entire act you will shiver with fear. This is a parallel government with unlimited power. All words are ambiguous and open ended. NGT can interpret it as they think fit. It is not even a constitutional language trying to define in black and white. Unbelievable. It is written such a way that once the act is passed now you cannot even disband it. This can be used as an easy route by external powers to influence a country's policies bypassing elected and accountable government. Very dangerous.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:34 pm

As per the act anyone absolutely anyone can go to NGT with any matter under environment, life whatever and NGT can order the government and elected government must obey and cant do zilch. Very very powerful act. As good as parallel power center having power on internal policies even more than elected government.

If you wondered how come NGT order delhi government not to implement odd even? how is it under 'environment'? Dont prejudice yourself because it is aap. Think independently. Can they encroach? Well, they can. Any government rule they can somehow fit under environment and abolish.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:35 pm

abhijit wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:23 pm
sanjayC wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:07 pm
NGT is an EJ network set up by Sonia Gandhi to harass Hindu temples and spiritual leaders. Modi needs to disband this ASAP. The people staffing it are publicity hounds
NGT is as per UN charter which India is a signatory. We had to establish it. But the way it is established is a matter of worry. If you read the entire act you will shiver with fear. This is a parallel government with unlimited power. All words are ambiguous and open ended. NGT can interpret it as they think fit. It is not even a constitutional language trying to define in black and white. Unbelievable. It is written such a way that once the act is passed now you cannot even disband it. This can be used as an easy route by external powers to influence a country's policies bypassing elected and accountable government. Very dangerous.
I don't see any mention of UN in the NGT page, can you give a link that mentions about the UN charter.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:41 pm

Karthik wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:45 am
Would it take constitutional amendment or RS majority to dismantle NGT.
IIRC Act has provision, supreme court can veto any such move.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:43 pm

Karthik wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:35 pm
abhijit wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:23 pm
sanjayC wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:07 pm
NGT is an EJ network set up by Sonia Gandhi to harass Hindu temples and spiritual leaders. Modi needs to disband this ASAP. The people staffing it are publicity hounds
NGT is as per UN charter which India is a signatory. We had to establish it. But the way it is established is a matter of worry. If you read the entire act you will shiver with fear. This is a parallel government with unlimited power. All words are ambiguous and open ended. NGT can interpret it as they think fit. It is not even a constitutional language trying to define in black and white. Unbelievable. It is written such a way that once the act is passed now you cannot even disband it. This can be used as an easy route by external powers to influence a country's policies bypassing elected and accountable government. Very dangerous.
I don't see any mention of UN in the NGT page, can you give a link that mentions about the UN charter.
Its in the act itself.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:29 pm

Then walk away from that UN act, after which the NGT can be disbanded and a desi version under constitutional mandate can be setup in its place.

If NM and co have really taken gloves off, then they should kindly take the people ito confidence reg why they are doing what they are doing w.r.t. NGT.

Say on the floor of parliament that the NGT in practice has proven itself to be discriminatory against one particular religion, the peaceable, reasonable majority community of the country and has discredited itself in the eyes of a majority of India's citizens.

Say that with a straight face and ye shall have the respect and admiration of all those who voted for you once again, Modi ji.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:36 pm

We don't know whats happening in private. Recent open spat between gov and SC over encroachment can be a hint. They must have argued in private before making their fued piblic. It may be that NM has very limited resources and he is choosing the battles to fight today.

SC is free to interpret constitution. NGT supercedes the constitution. SC protects NGT. It is not an easy battle to fight when you are just 3 years in power.

On top of this we have national human rights commission. Another mandate by UN and another power center.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by crams » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:01 pm

Sundar, not sure why you say BJP played "dirty". I vehemently disagree. I mean for the seditious behavior of Congoons, including gifting away Kashmir through "joint soverignty", ModiJi did the right thing as an honest nationalist would, in fact, I would say it took great courage to point out that an ex PM, MMS, was hobnobbing with Paki terrorist masters in Lutyen's Delhi eating kababs. Is this not scandalous? When caught with their hands in the cookie jar, you see the entire c-brigade play victim and cry horase about ModiJi degrading the office of PM, eulogizing MMS as a great "patriot" bla bla. BTW, I don't doubt MMS's patriotism, but he is no nationalist. He is a "South Asian". To me that is disgusting. The core of the problem is that huge sections of India's elite including MMS and his "darling" Pappu (MMS's own words) believe that "Hindu extremists" need to be taken on even if that means surrendering to TSP, in fact, for the likes of those who gathered at Aiyar puke's dinner, they don't view theiractions as surrendring to a terrorist state.

Furthermore, even if you go by Pappu's slaves like Ajai Shukla's or MKB's etc rants that India is not a police state where you are not free to attend a private dinner, for heaven's sake, look at the appropriateness.TSP is waging a relentless battle against India, and these bloody traitors whine and dine with those scum bags? I mean that b@stard Kasuri never every has a word to say against TSP pigLeTs, and closest he comes is some equal equal crap equating bogus Samjuatha (which they themselves execute but is now blamed on "Hindu terrorists", thx to MMS and other Congoon slaves of Pappu and Queen moother).

Among all the noise is the very pertinent point ModiJi made, namely, he asked why someone as senior as former Pakistani Army’s Director-General Arshad Rafique had appealed to make Patel as Gujarat CM? Note how the slime-balls crying hoarse over ModiJi exposing them skirt this. And this was the core of ModiJi's legitimate attack.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:08 pm

Problem is just the Elite, by the Die hard Leftist- Sikcular supporters agree see MMS can do no wrong.

And Clearly the Chinese and Pakis are not happy they are upto something, there are lots of fronts being opened. As I said many issues will take 10-15 years to sort out by the right thinking people at the top.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:49 pm

yogendra 'salim' yadav on a roll on twitter:
Yogendra Yadav‏Verified account @_YogendraYadav 5h5 hours ago

My projections for Gujarat

Scenario1: Possible
BJP 43% votes, 86 seats
INC 43% votes, 92 seats

Scenario 2: Likely
BJP 41% votes, 65 seats
INC 45% votes, 113 seats

Scenario 3: Can't be ruled out
Even bigger defeat for the BJP
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P.S. I know better than to trust the likes of yadav but have this nagggng feeling GJ might end up like another BH.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:17 pm

All gujartis I am speaking to are quite confident that BJP will win.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:41 pm

abhijit wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:17 pm
All gujartis I am speaking to are quite confident that BJP will win.
I hope so, fingers crossed. Exit polls should be out in <24 hrs. I recall they too went horribly wrong in 2015 for BH.

I worry about the rural vote and the tribal vote that may swing against NM this time. What to do only. Sigh.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Klnmurthy » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:32 pm

Karthik wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:30 am
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Looks like there are 2 types here, one who want BJP to win, the other who wants indic civilization to continue without past history repeating again. Hence the disconnect.
I hope that you are not trying to suggest you have figured out the nature of the problem by making up this distinction.

To put it kindly, it is an oversimplification, only useful in fostering a sense of self-righteousness. As in, I am the guy who wants Hinduism and Indic culture to survive and prevail, and everyone else is a loser who just wants BJP to win at all costs, while not caring sincerely about Indic survival.

The reality is more complicated and challenging. I can't imagine a scenario in today's conditions in which BJP would be out of power and the cause of Indic survival would still be advanced.

On the other hand--and this is something that doesn't get much recognition on this forum--BJP, even RSS is itself a product of the same cultural base that gave us the C-system, and not something disconnected, from another planet. That means the humans who are part of the BJP will have many of the same flaws that we love to hate so much when we see them in the humans of the C-system.

The challenge for a leader like Modi--who is also human--is to find a way to achieve the shared goal of Indic survival given the realities and humans that he has to work with.

I honestly don't think many of the jingos here have given enough thought to the challenge facing us. But without doing that, we can't be useful to the struggle confronting us.

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