Trilobite wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:17 am
Kabir wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:17 pm
Standing your ground on Indic issues is not vigilantism. The tolerance, thick skin, thin consience, ahimsa, athithi devo bhava, sama bhav etc is what we have been practising for the last 800 years for our rapists and enemies
Standing up for ground on indic or any xyz_ic issue can be done within the parameters of law, and democracy provides space for that. Vigilantism is breaking the law and therefore criminal. There is no "good" vigilantism. I can not agree that there is a "kosher" variety of vigilantism.
I think there is one very obvious 800lb gorilla we are ignoring here.
If Indic values and Dharma is to survive, it needs to learn from the Jews and Islam in general.
Has anyone ever wondered or stopped to think why NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY - no politician, journalist, writer, movie-maker or public figure ever comes out with ANY material, or statement that may in any way be construed as 'insulting' to islam? The reason is they do not want to end up like the poor guys at Charlie Hebdo, or the Dutch movie producer Theo Van Gogh, or Salman Rushdie. After Charlie Hebdo, British journalists went to the extent of stating that people should not 'insult' islam. When questioned about it, they admitted they were afraid of being targeted themselves.
In India, it is even worse, Muslim mobs brazenly break the law and the police does nothing about it especially when it is anything to do with a perceived matter of faith, like stopping traffic on the roads to offer namaz. Everyone is afraid of rampaging crowds, threats to property, life and limb. Why is it that in any communal riot the media never utters the word 'muslim', it is always 'people of one community'.
In the end, if you are capable of extreme violence in the name of faith, nobody will mess with you or yours. I am NOT saying this is what Hindu groups should do, but sometimes the deterrent is enough. If a 'militant' wing of Hinduism was known to be very intolerant of anybody insulting our way of life, they would think twice before doing so.
An even better approach would be to do what the Jews do. In the New York area especially, they are very powerful and make sure nobody 'crosses the line'. Years ago an ad for a vodka that said 'Christmas quality at Hanukkah prices' was forced off the billboards as it was said to portray the Jewish community as stingy. The Jewish lobby is extremely powerful, even those that do not wear the faith on their sleeves (the reformed, pork-eating, non-kosher Jews) all unite together when there is a common threat. Their power comes not from their numbers but from the money they collectively possess - which they put to good use in lobbying for their interests - and the political and other soft leadership they develop. In any sphere - local communities, schools, colleges, hospitals, courts - they have, over the years ensured that their people occupy the top positions thus promoting their own growth and recruitment to similar posts so that they can in the end ensure that the power rests with them. NO other single ethnic or religious group wields the kind of influence that the Jewish community does, certainly not in the NY metro area.
If Hindus do not have the stomach to be brutal and violent like Islamic mobs then they need to become powerful and united like the Jews are. Many years ago, a Jewish professor of mine who grew up in Germany said that before WWII, the Jews were gradually declining in numbers due to attrition from several sources - marrying into other faiths, giving up on Jewish practice etc. However, the Holocaust changed all that and they emerged if anything stronger from that, certainly in the USA. The realization that unless they band together they would be annihilated made all the difference. The single phrase that stands out in their ethos is 'never again'. All of them send their children to Auschwitz and similar camps to witness for themselves the horrors perpetrated upon their people.
We on the other hand are happily, in a constant denial mode, whitewashing or worse, glorifying the murder, rape and plunder of our people and our lands by Khilji and other Islamic hordes.
If the Hindus wait for their own holocaust to change the way they think and behave, I am afraid it may be too late.