The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by srikumar » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:53 pm

...not to forget the night he spent sleeping in a dwelling/hut of some poor person in AMethi. He even convinced the British foreign minister Miliband to undergo the experience.''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... band-india

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Deans » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:48 am

Hari Seldon wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:20 am
Beginning of the end? Swarajya comes straight out to declare that the odds are against Modi in 2019. Its the economy, stupid, and all that. Ostensibly. Only.

The Economy, Stupid: Why The NDA Faces A Rocky Road To Re-Election (Swarajya)
Along with lack of progress on corruption & black money (my earlier post), inability to tackle rural distress is a major area I see NDA under-performing and starting to resemble NDA1 (ABV's govt). While Swarajya makes a valid point about GDP growth impacting election results (it is even more true
of state elections - people do not reelect state govts who deliver GDP growth lower than the national average), there is a more serious underlying problem:
1% of Indians own approx 25% of income (and 60% of wealth), the next 9% own about 35% and the bottom 90% own the final 40% of income.
This disparity has been increasing since the 80's. (in 1985 the top 1% had 8% of national income). GDP growth since the 90's has been increasing more for the top 1%, at an average rate for the middle 9% and at lower than average for the bottom 90%. Thus the rich have been getting richer while the poor are increasingly restive. There is no reliable data from 2014, but I suspect the current govt has reversed this trend and growth is now starting to come from the `bottom' (which is why the elite and the media don't see it). However, this trend reversal is fragile. A bad monsoon (or floods in Saurashtra)
or delay in hiking MSP etc can slash rural income growth and cost the govt a state.
To counter this, the govt has to undertake the following, starting now, till Apr 19 (so that some funds come from the 18-19 budget).

- MGNREGA allocation has to be increased. It currently covers 45 million HH who work on average for only 38 days/ year. That is still too few HH
to win elections and create rural assets quickly and too little financial impact per HH to make a difference. At least BJP run states should
aim for 100 days per person and increase coverage - a quick win would be to introduce a 4 hour workday for women.
- MSP has to be significantly hiked, at least for the states that matter.
- Some attempts to reform rural education and health where there is still rampant corruption (ghost teachers and missing drugs). At the least
fill vacancies in these areas, create posts like a para medic or teaching assistant, which can quickly generate a million jobs.

a 10% hike in import duty on Chinese products and removing the complete exemption on long term capital gains tax on sale of equity shares
is enough to finance the extra spend on MSP and MGNREGA.

What the govt has going for it, should be the following:
- Power and gas availability: It will be a game changer if power for all by Mar 2019 is achieved and the coverage for PMUY increased 50%
in the next 15 months (which is an additional 15 million HH).
- Direct transfer of subsidies thru Aadhar. (people who have cheated the system have to be visibly punished).
- Rural infrastructure (financed thru additional man days from MGNREGA) has to be completed at a faster pace.
- Financial inclusion - JDY accounts, Mudra loans. If Rs 5,000 is transferred to each of 20 crore (of a total of 30 crore, excluding states
of less significance for GE 20190), the amount of Rs 100,000 crore is the least the govt should get as penalties from BM holders who have
been identified post DeMo. Rs 5000 doubles the cash available to the average JDY holder (94% of Indians have less than Rs 10,000 in cash,
incl bank deposits).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:42 am

Chetak Sir, can I request you not to use quote. It defeats the purpose of putting someone in the blocked list. It has nothing to do with truth or right or wrong. Two reasons - You don't want to hurt yourself (high BP) and 2) Don't waste time reading something for half an hour, when that time can be well utilized somewhere else. You have every right to read and reply. Please do not use quote.
+108 :rotfl: 100s of users have used quote feature in 1000s of posts and you never complained. An moment someone quotes me, you request him not to use quote feature !!! Of course, you didnt name me, but imo its clear that what you meant "pls do use quote feature, but pls dont quote one specific person namely Rahul Mehta a common" . If you wish to name me, pls feel free. I dont cry before admins with defamation complaints. Also, if you anti-RM-elements pay me Rs 5000 per week protection money, I promise not to post for that week. Think about it --- its a very small % of your all's networth !!! :rotfl:
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:45 pm
Now all of a sudden, some 22 years later, Magistrate has issued NON BAILABLE warrant against RSS leader Sri Togadiaji on that may-1996 beating case. WHY? Why such hurry? Why not wait for another 20 years? Because as rumormill reports, Sri Togadiajee is aiding RSS-leader and Gujarat Minister Sri Nitinbhai Patel and also aiding Hardik Patel !!! So to pressurize RSS-leader Sri Togadiajee, RSS-apex-leader Sri Modiji and RSS-leader and CM Sri Rupaniji have taken out a 21 year old case from cold storage and put that in first gear !!!
Something wrong with this approach?? It is the art of realpolitik.

If anyone ever had the chance, they would have done such a thing a long time ago. A rat or snake that enters your house intent on doing you harm, needs to be kicked very hard in the head so that other rats/snakes get the message.

The case will go according to how well the message is received and UNDERSTOOD.

Didn't you keep very quiet when Amitbhai went to prison??
When a Learned Magistrate in ahmedabad issued NBW = non bailable warrant against RSS-leader Sri Pravinbhai Togadiaji and an RSS MLA Janmanbhai Patelji in old 1996 case, I was thinking that people here may blame congress, cpm, c-system, leftists, secularism, minorities, macaulay, marx, marxist education, BIF etc etc. So I was gathering rumors that prove that Learned Magistrate was prompted by RSS-leaders namely Sri Modiji , Sri Vijay Rupaniji etc and not by usual punching bags. But most BRFites already accepted that NBW was issued at the "request" of RSS-leaders, and it was intra-parivaar matters. And they have praised this step !! So I no longer need to post those rumors. TIA.

Now congress / cpm have always misused courts and policemen to serve their political interests. But some people before may-2014 used to say that Sri Modiji will change all that and will bring "rule of law" in India !!! NCB = narcotics control beuro may question them soon.

The 1996 case isnt comparable to encounter etc cases that were filed against Sri Amitbhai Shahji etc. Those cases were prompted by USUK-elitemen to increase visibility of Sri Modiji and Sri Amitbhai across India and strengthen the perception that they are Hindu-rakshaks. Whereas this 1996 beating and attempt to murder case is pulled out of cold storage to harass Sri Pravinbhai Togadiaji becuause Togadiaji is helping RSS leader and Minister Nitinbhai Patel and also helping Hardik Patel.

My grudge is not just that congress / rss / aap leaders misuse courts and policemen to harass leaders of their own or other parties. My grudge is because hundreds of Nbjprie manage to misuse courts / policemen to harass lakhs of us commons across India and this drastically reduces us commons' productivity as well as our ability to fight corruption etc. eg There have been six income tax scrutinies against me since may-2009 !!! And one candidate of ours was forced to withdraw by threat of legal action he would have faced for illegal contruction he has (not to mention, EVERYONE in that colony has illegal construction). Such misuse of courts and policemen by Nbjprie to meet their political / economic gains will damage India and only help BIF in long run.

And when Amitbhai was arrested, I was not silent. As in Togadiaji or ALL such cases, I have been publicizing Jury Trial by 50 to 1500 Jurors selected from voter list of Gujarat between age of 25 years to 55 years. One Jury gets only one case and so same one case will go from 11 am to 5 pm and lawyers will run of arguments within days. And so hearings etc will end in 1-3 weeks. Socrates was tried by Jury of 500 Athence citizens chosen at random from their citizenlist of some 50000 Athence citizens. And sometimes, Athence used to have Jury Trial with 1500 voters. So if Athence could run Jury Trial with 500 to 1500 Jurors in 600 BC, then surely we have technology and logistics to do that today. Thats the method I have always proposed. Not silence.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:59 am

Deans says : .... there is a more serious underlying problem: 1% of Indians own approx 25% of income (and 60% of wealth), .... [This disparity has been increasing since the 80's. ....

- MGNREGA allocation has to be increased. It currently covers 45 million HH who work on average for only 38 days/ year. That is still too few HH ... to win elections and create rural assets quickly and too little financial impact per HH to make a difference. At least BJP run states should aim for 100 days per person and increase coverage - a quick win would be to introduce a 4 hour workday for women.
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a 10% hike in import duty on Chinese products and removing the complete exemption on long term capital gains tax on sale of equity shares is enough to finance the extra spend on MSP and MGNREGA. ....
You are against income / wealth inequality? You want capital gains tax exemption to be removed? Are you a Rakshak or comrade? just kidding .....

You may want to upload the suggestions on PM's website newindia.in (see "causes" section)

You can also later share the link that newindia.in gives you for your proposal / cause on FB / twitter and ask people to vote on that proposal / cause

This increases the possibility that PM will read them

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Prasan » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:39 am

Kerala: Clashes erupt in Bonacaud during religious procession, several injured

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/kerala-cla ... 24677.html

The procession was stopped midway by the police citing a High Court order which asked the state government to maintain status quo in the case.


The believers tried to break the police blockade after which the police resorted to lathi charge. (Photo: ANI)
A clash broke out between believers under the Neyyattinkara diocese and the police at Bonacaurd in Thiruvananthapuram district today. At least 30 people including 7 policemen sustained injuries after the clash turned violent.

The believers were carrying out a procession towards the hill top -Kurishumala, which they consider a place of worship. The march was stopped midway by the police citing a High Court order which asked the state government to maintain status quo in the case. It led to an altercation between the belivers and the police.


The believers tried to break the police blockade after which the police resorted to lathi charge. It later turned violent with the participants in the procession taking to stone pelting.

KURISHUMALA CONTROVERSY

Few months back, a cross at the Kurishumala- which was worshipped by the believers- was destroyed. The forest officials claimed that the wooden cross was damaged after lightning struck the area.

However, the believers alleged that the forest officials cooked up a story after the cross was destroyed by their officers.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:41 pm

MehtaRahulC wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:42 am
Athence used to have Jury Trial with 1500 voters. So if Athence could run Jury Trial with 500 to 1500 Jurors in 600 BC, then surely we have technology and logistics to do that today. Thats the method I have always proposed. Not silence.
India tried jury trials and it was discarded for a very valid reason.

You simultaneously need laws against jury tampering as well as witness protection etc

Pick any law in India and some fancy lawyer will break it for you, for a price.

Be practical and realistic.

Its high time the BJP learned how to use the very same weapons that were being used against it.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by KL Dubey » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:09 pm

Now that Gujarat and Himachal are done and dusted (including fake news about BJP MLAs defecting), we can look ahead to the next set of elections coming up in Feb 2018....

Nagaland: INC has essentially ceased to exist. It seems there is no contest in this election except between the two NDA parties (NPF and BJP). It looks like they have agreed to some kind of a "friendly fight" - an odd scenario indeed. :roll: Whoever wins, it appears the NDA will retain power.

Meghalaya: Congis are losing momentum due to mass defections, and are currently reduced to running a minority goremint. The situation looks a lot like Manipur. A NPP-BJP coalition goremint seems quite possible.

Tripura: Interesting developments. The commies seem to be trying to hold on to power by deploying goons. There is claimed to be a "huge BJP wave".

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 369068.cms

http://www.firstpost.com/india/tripura- ... 87209.html

https://twitter.com/bjp4tripura?lang=en

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by srikumar » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:54 pm

UP news- 11 lakh eve teasers on police list (with mobile numbers included? So is the eve teasing flag linked to their aadhar card :lol: ). THat's a LOT of eve teasers on police record.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/652 ... asers.html
Interestingly the Power Line sent these youths text messages wishing them on the new year and at the same time cautioned them against doing anything silly this year.
Pro-active police work- worth extending to other states, one would think. The initiative was started by SP govt in 2012. Good that UP Police/Yogi Sarkar is putting it to full use.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:12 pm

heard UP Police has eliminated a durdaant (dreaded) dacoit Satte who had an inaam of Rs 5,00,000 on his head. He was notorious to move freely between UP/Nepal & MP did daring dacoity and got away..also carried out political execution.
in total UP police has sent over 400 criminals to hell.
Yogi has given free hand and people are cheering..

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:12 pm

A) 3 states busted 272,000 'ghost' students who availing Mid-day meal.
B) 3.3 crore fake LPG connections blocked.
C) 87 lakh fake job cards removed from MNREGA.
D) HRD busted 80,000 'ghost' teachers in higher education institutions.
Media won't tell this cleanness drive by Modi.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by srikumar » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:09 pm

Indrad wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:12 pm
heard UP Police has eliminated a durdaant (dreaded) dacoit Satte who had an inaam of Rs 5,00,000 on his head. He was notorious to move freely between UP/Nepal & MP did daring dacoity and got away..also carried out political execution.
in total UP police has sent over 400 criminals to hell.
Yogi has given free hand and people are cheering..
I've read many such news items... Every time I read such news items I hope that Yogi has good personal protection 24/7. All know that the stakes are high....someone crazy enough or desperate enough can do things.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:54 am



Good points mentioned.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 am

Do BJP and NM really deserve to get another term? Certainly NO.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:15 am

Karthik wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 am
Do BJP and NM really deserve to get another term? Certainly NO.
the option is congi/commie/naxal type of mish mash with NAC and venomous NGO inspired development with "minorities" dominating the cabinet/public space and the economic discourse.

Is that what you want??

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Post by chetak » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:16 am

Karthik wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 am
Do BJP and NM really deserve to get another term? Certainly NO.
the option is congi/commie/naxal type of mish mash with NAC types and venomous NGO inspired development with "minorities" dominating the cabinet/public space and the economic discourse.

Is that what you want??

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:33 am

chetak wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:16 am
Karthik wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 am
Do BJP and NM really deserve to get another term? Certainly NO.
the option is congi/commie/naxal type of mish mash with NAC types and venomous NGO inspired development with "minorities" dominating the cabinet/public space and the economic discourse.

Is that what you want??
I don't see any difference. BTW those groups are still dominating everything, in case you can see objectively.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:41 am

Karthik wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 am
Do BJP and NM really deserve to get another term? Certainly NO.
There are bots which immidtately declare people who want a TRUE NATIONALIST alternative to Modiji / RSS as congress / cpm / BIF supporters. :mrgreen:

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Post by chetak » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:19 am

Karthik wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:33 am
chetak wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:16 am
Karthik wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 am
Do BJP and NM really deserve to get another term? Certainly NO.
the option is congi/commie/naxal type of mish mash with NAC types and venomous NGO inspired development with "minorities" dominating the cabinet/public space and the economic discourse.

Is that what you want??
I don't see any difference. BTW those groups are still dominating everything, in case you can see objectively.
yes, I know but their influence has waned significantly.

They have recently received a shot in the arm after pappus "performance" in GUJ, with the venal press dutifully playing it up. Lumpen congis + naxals who couldn't dislodge the incumbent govt even after 20+ years of so called anti incumbency.

They all fear Modi's second term which will hopefully bring fundamental changes in Indian society by making Indians the masters of their own destiny instead of being the slaves that they now are to extraterritorial interests that have run our lives for centuries past.

I don't see any viable alternative.

No PM has or has ever had the focus, drive, determination, dedication and vision of Modi. That is why entitled, entrenched parasitic minorities and dynastic semen lottery winners fear him as do NGOs and inimical foreign interests who hitherto had a free and unbridled run.

but when eggs are broken to make the omelette, some hens will undoubtedly become upset.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:32 am

Chetak saar, nothing of those words is applicable to modi. His cabinet is full of people who suck upto or are hand in gloves with all NGO/BIF/Media etc.

I personally feel terribly betrayed, but looking at twitter, I don't think I am the only person to feel so.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:48 am

So karthik wants BIF to win, he is a BIF man.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:34 am

They should try to pass the TT bill in a joint sitting of parliament. Any backing down will be construed as weakness and other legislations are going to be stalled as well.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:36 am

Karthik wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:32 am
Chetak saar, nothing of those words is applicable to modi. His cabinet is full of people who suck upto or are hand in gloves with all NGO/BIF/Media etc.

I personally feel terribly betrayed, but looking at twitter, I don't think I am the only person to feel so.
Can't say there aren't many disappointed folks out there like you. However, relatively speaking, a few bad apples are better than a whole basket of them and a gardener that contaminates them routinely. The alternative is far worse. At least with Modi, there is incrementalism in the right direction.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by arshyam » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:47 am

Here we go again, one more round of rona-dhona. Sigh.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by arshyam » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:55 am

Aditya_V wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:48 am
So karthik wants BIF to win, he is a BIF man.
Saar, this is the age old Hindu tendency of making best the enemy of good enough, and in the process, let in the worst through the door. How I wish people use this time of a "not good enough" Modi to build and entrench an ecosystem that is unabashedly Indic, and ensure that only friendly forces, even if not good enough, continue to stay in power in the meantime. Oh, people ARE doing that, but it is not apparent to some posters here. These posters would rather throw Modi out, leaving a half built ecosystem in shambles and scrambling for cover.

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Post by MehtaRahulC » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:10 am

The reason why USUK-elitemen and Missionaries helped and continue to help NaMo/RSS win election is because ---- if congress wins, then nationalists will start working to create a new political/electoral alternative, which may block USUK-elitemen and Missionaries and may even make India at par with USA.

So better have NaMo/RSS in position , so- (a) under NaMo/RSS , USUK-elitemen and Missionaries can grow at rate 50% of that in congress (b)not shrink (c)and nationalists can be stopped from creating a true nationalist true secular alternative

Basically, we have 3 choices -
(a) work to create a TRUE nationalist true secular alternative to congress/rss/aap - stop India from become colony
(b) vote for rss - make India giant Philippine in 20 years
(c) vote for congress/aap - make India giant Philippine in 10 years

Moment someone talks about (a), PLBs and some bots will come and shout - oh !! but that will only help (c) !!! And so PLBs will insist on (b), and thus true nationalist alternative will never grow. That only helps usuk-elitemen and missionaries.
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PLB = padhe likhe bewakoof = overwise = oversmart

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