The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

[Dumal]

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Some other national issues
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So India is in deep mess, and things are geting worse everyday
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OMG! how long do we have to endure this now.

You can replace India in the above line with just about anything and still have a mostly true and meaningful statement! N Korea, Japan, US, you, me, the solar system, the universe, the Rohingyas, the eskimos, Pakis,. ...

I see many in the left ecosystem who safely hide behind equal-opportunity anti-everybody mode for as long as it is productive for them... They try to make people believe they are after some crazy Utopia but really are burkha-wearing anarchists at best.

[Raju]

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Some other national issues
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(1) On BRF , critiziing DeMo would fetch instant bullying by Disha etc . Pro-demo bullies like Disha etc would simply pull collars of anti-DeMo persons start a third degree torture by asking "kitna gaya" and so on !!! So let me first say - my cash loss in DeMo = Rs 0 . I had some Rs 90000 of 500 notes on demo-night and all were 100% bank withdrawals made before diwali (and had no Rs 1000 notes). I spent some Rs 10000 in medicine , petrol (in friend's cars) etc despited the remaining about Rs 80000. So before bullies ask me --- let me re-state --- my personal loss in demo = Rs 0
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But DeMo has given ZERO gains to India, and losses to crores of Indians --- poor as well as rich. And most black money wealth have black wealth in gold, land and maurirtitious bank, and all were untouched. (No - cash dealing in land is UNEFFECTED by demo). And small increase in digital transactions (sep-2017 compared to sep-2015) has NOTHING to do with demo. Across world, internet payments are rising
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(2) Another trend on BRF was --- one MUST support GST !! GST is a DISASTER and will ruin India. Let me repeat --- GST is a HUGE disasater and will ruin India. Excise , sales tax, vat, CST, service tax etc were bad and should have been scrapped off long back. And instead we should levry WEALTH TAX on land / construction / shares etc and we should streamline income tax by removing plethora of exemptions (like Mauritius treaty, Fiji treaty, exemptions to SEZs, exemptions to infrastructure etc). But instead of wealth tax, sponsors of SoMoKe (SoGa / NaMo / ArKe , one and same) sucessfully forces SoMoKe to levy GST and not wealth tax. The result will be al ll out disasater. Indian companies will heavily loose and foreign companies will gain. And I blame ALL three SoMoKe (Coongress / RSS / AAP) for GST , not just NaMo.
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(3) Leaders of India such as SoMoKe have become 100% pure puppets of desi-videshi elitemen. And the share of videshi elitemen is rising day by day by day. Indian elitemen too are becoming puppets of videshi elitemen. Most paidmediamen like bikau sardesai, bikau arnab, bikau dutt, bikau sudhir tihadi chowdhary, bikau pranay roy etc are now more and more dependent on videshi money. Most bikau-mediamen no longer take orders from Indian leaders like SoMoKe and they directly take orders from videshi elitemen
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So India is in deep mess, and things are geting worse everyday
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Good Morning TheMehta,

I will not lay everything at doorstep of SoMoKe, because politicians by habit and training are not familiar with economics. The economics necessary to administer a country's economy is a pyramid structure, this is the reality and status quo. With only a very few folks at top having the real idea on true fiscal situation. Rest are either clerks or enablers having little clue on real situation, because they do not have benefit of access to view whole chart. They see only the bits & pieces. So what has happened is international organistations like IMF/WB have taken advantage of this narrow control structure by giving IMF tenure to seniormost IAS who work in finance/revenue and influence them to adopt measures which profit MNC and destroy local industries. The GST among others are plays of this hidden hand.

[geeth]

Geeth- it does not work that way. If it's not original material, please attribute it properly.

It is going to work only that way. The source is mentioned below each figure. Over that if someone wants proof, they can find for themselves. I posted those figures because I believe them. The belief comes from seeing/listening/reading other sources. If anybody has takleef, the best way is to counter it with alternate figures. For that effort is needed. Moreover the source for everything may not be readily available. For eg., some of these figures I have heard it myself from ministers mouth in press/TV. How do I put the source. If anyone dont want to believe, ignore the figures.

[AjayKK]

Like It or Not, Change Is Still Modi

S Prasannarajan - Editor of Open magazine

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... still-modi

He is the only one, even now.

The GST story is not the same. It was a necessary reform. The hardship was inevitable, but won’t be permanent. The argument against it brings out the fundamental flaw of our attitude towards ‘progress’. We want to reach the next stage without disturbing the present. We still want to create the new without eliminating the old. India is too big and too uneven a place, and its inequalities are not comparable to homogeneous societies elsewhere. Those who prefer the status quo may argue that India has a long way to go before the state can withdraw from the affairs of its people, among them some of the poorest in the world. They may have a point. But no reform is possible without a certain amount of ruthlessness. The labyrinthine tax structure of India needs to be streamlined. When somebody dares to do it, it hurts. For the better. It calls the bluff of the old drawing room harrumphers. They wanted a government that acts. Today they cannot suffer the action because, when it begins to hurt, they are all socialists.

So the good old bad days have been conjured back to life. This is actually an ideal setting for Modi—a politician moulded by adversities, a prime minister who, in spite of being the most popular, never tries too hard to please. In an age when dissent is a vulgarian’s social-media martyrdom, Modi is under attack from a shadowy enemy. A new narrative has been created in which the randomness of bad news is exaggerated as the persistence of evil. In this narrative, 2014 was not a mandate but some sort of sorcery, and Modi as Prime Minister was born out of manipulated minds. Liberals of both the peanut and limousine variety need this narrative to remain relevant in their echo chamber. It doesn’t matter to them whether India has reached a post-corruption stage in just three years. Whether governance has a matter of factness about it today. Whether India for the first time in its history has a prime minister who has no interest other than India. Whether power has ceased to be a family enterprise.

It’s still the fierceness of one man’s commitment that shapes the argument for change in India. The indecencies of resistance only add to his inevitability. For once in Indian politics, an ascetic’s aura accentuates power.

[AbhishekC]

Geeth- it does not work that way. If it's not original material, please attribute it properly.

It is going to work only that way. The source is mentioned below each figure. Over that if someone wants proof, they can find for themselves. I posted those figures because I believe them. The belief comes from seeing/listening/reading other sources. If anybody has takleef, the best way is to counter it with alternate figures. For that effort is needed. Moreover the source for everything may not be readily available. For eg., some of these figures I have heard it myself from ministers mouth in press/TV. How do I put the source. If anyone dont want to believe, ignore the figures.

Boss, if you think that numbers from the mouth of ministers is truth, then you have a lot of things to learn about politicians.

The only thing ministers will say is propaganda that favours them. Its ridiculous to think their numbers will contain anything negative about their own performance. It is lazy analysis. Why do you think no modi minister talks about employment figures? That number is entirely negative.

[AjayKK]

Amit Shah's plan to bring together Hindu and Christain communities to vote for the BJP in the next LS elections

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/bjps- ... 04453.html

[Vnms]

But DeMo has given ZERO gains to India, and losses to crores of Indians --- poor as well as rich. And most black money wealth have black wealth in gold, land and maurirtitious bank, and all were untouched. (No - cash dealing in land is UNEFFECTED by demo).

So, you agree that people without black money were not directly affected.

Another trend on BRF was --- one MUST support GST !! GST is a DISASTER and will ruin India. Let me repeat --- GST is a HUGE disasater and will ruin India. Excise , sales tax, vat, CST, service tax etc were bad and should have been scrapped off long back. And instead we should levry WEALTH TAX on land / construction / shares etc and we should streamline income tax by removing plethora of exemptions (like Mauritius treaty, Fiji treaty, exemptions to SEZs, exemptions to infrastructure etc). But instead of wealth tax, sponsors of SoMoKe (SoGa / NaMo / ArKe , one and same) sucessfully forces SoMoKe to levy GST and not wealth tax. The result will be al ll out disasater. Indian companies will heavily loose and foreign companies will gain. And I blame ALL three SoMoKe (Coongress / RSS / AAP) for GST , not just NaMo.

What you are saying is that the patient would prefer to die than take some much needed bitter medicine. Just wealth tax would not be sufficient to run the country. That is another alternative option and a discussion for a another day. Doesn't mean that GST is bad or more importantly not required.

Leaders of India such as SoMoKe have become 100% pure puppets of desi-videshi elitemen.

The entire MSM is against Modi. The MSM is in videshi hands. The how is it that Modi is under videshis? Care to explain the contradiction in your logic?

On BRF, I had blocked only one individual all these years. And that was you.

[Gus]

It is going to work only that way. The source is mentioned below each figure. Over that if someone wants proof, they can find for themselves.

That is not source. Source, in the context of a claim in a forum, is a verifiable piece. It is either a link or points to a link or a mention of who when where etc. Just saying X minister is source, does not cut it.

I posted those figures because I believe them.

Of course, you believe them. I also believe them. That does not mean it is what they said. That is why the onus is on you to give references to when they said it and where etc, or provide links etc. Whether the minister himself lied or not is secondary. Don't try to hide your responsibility to source your claims, behind the credibility of the minister.

If you truly wanted to make an impact on a fence sitter or somebody who is salvageable - then effort is on you. Simply forwarding a message and being dismissive when asked for source can work within our echo chamber but does not get any mileage where it matters. That's all I have to say. You can have your last word.

[a_bharat]

Absconder Vijay Mallya arrested again on money laundering charges. Let's see how long it takes for a bail this time.

[Vnms]

Why do you think no modi minister talks about employment figures? That number is entirely negative.

^^ Doesn't your statement indicate that they are not lying about the numbers and ones quoted are true. If they were fudging the numbers, then they could have done so with employment numbers too. Couldn't they?

[Vnms]

Geeth/Gus, I'll post references for the numbers later today.

From what I have seen of this government in the last 3 years, one can question/debate policies. But, questioning the morality and ethics of the top leadership is absurd.

This is India and we haven't heard one word of corruption in high places in the last three years!

[geeth]

Geeth- it does not work that way. If it's not original material, please attribute it properly.

It is going to work only that way. The source is mentioned below each figure. Over that if someone wants proof, they can find for themselves. I posted those figures because I believe them. The belief comes from seeing/listening/reading other sources. If anybody has takleef, the best way is to counter it with alternate figures. For that effort is needed. Moreover the source for everything may not be readily available. For eg., some of these figures I have heard it myself from ministers mouth in press/TV. How do I put the source. If anyone dont want to believe, ignore the figures.

Boss, if you think that numbers from the mouth of ministers is truth, then you have a lot of things to learn about politicians.

The only thing ministers will say is propaganda that favours them. Its ridiculous to think their numbers will contain anything negative about their own performance. It is lazy analysis. Why do you think no modi minister talks about employment figures? That number is entirely negative.

You are a whiner who takes things to ridiculus levels. As such I had no interest in providing you source. Because it is of no use at all.

[geeth]

It is going to work only that way. The source is mentioned below each figure. Over that if someone wants proof, they can find for themselves.

That is not source. Source, in the context of a claim in a forum, is a verifiable piece. It is either a link or points to a link or a mention of who when where etc. Just saying X minister is source, does not cut it.

I posted those figures because I believe them.

Of course, you believe them. I also believe them. That does not mean it is what they said. That is why the onus is on you to give references to when they said it and where etc, or provide links etc. Whether the minister himself lied or not is secondary. Don't try to hide your responsibility to source your claims, behind the credibility of the minister.

If you truly wanted to make an impact on a fence sitter or somebody who is salvageable - then effort is on you. Simply forwarding a message and being dismissive when asked for source can work within our echo chamber but does not get any mileage where it matters. That's all I have to say. You can have your last word.

I have not told anybody to belive the figures. I am not the first one to put these figures. If you say a minister quoting data is not be believed, then there is something wrong with you.

Finally, dont put any responsibility on me to provide 'credible' sources to satisfy you. When you dont believe the minister himself, the onus is on you to prove him wrong.

Finally, please desist from advising me on forum etiquets and/or responsible postings.

[Vnms]

Geeth, take it easy. I think Gus made a suggestion. Please choose to ignore it if you want to. I do understand your pov.

I had mentioned that I'll post the references. Let's leave it at that.

[Primus]

So India is in deep mess, and things are geting worse everyday
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I agree absolutely and wholeheartedly with you. Now let us all pack up and go home. For India will never ever get better, so what is the point?

[jamwal]

Liking for a political party should not make us trust them blindly.

[Gus]

If I make a claim that minister x said abc, and if somebody asks to source it - the response cannot be "well don't you trust the minister" or "you go disprove it".

Yes, I will keep asking for sources. Getting annoyed at such basic stuff only reflects on the person making unsourced claims.

[geeth]

If I make a claim that minister x said abc, and if somebody asks to source it - the response cannot be "well don't you trust the minister" or "you go disprove it".

Yes, I will keep asking for sources. Getting annoyed at such basic stuff only reflects on the person making unsourced claims.

Now this is getting funny...

When a minister says something, he IS the source, and he is quoting data produced by his ministry! Any other so called 'source' will again have to quote the minister as the 'source'. And this 'source' is the secondary 'source', original 'source' being the minister and the data from his ministry. Once the minister 'source' is useless (because he always lies!), what is the use of secondary source? Does the foreign agencies quoting various data use data released by various ministries, or they use their own researched data, or both?

If the foreign agencies quote a minister or use data provided by a particular ministry, will that data become more credible (afterall foreigners are okay with it)? If yes, why not believe it from the horse's mouth?

Is there something called credibility? What makes some believe that the present of ministers are liers ( a la zero sum Sibal). Have they told anything in the past which is an outright lie?

If not, is it because of political leanings that some people believe that what ever these bunch of ministers say must be lies?

If yes, why drag others into it?

I can't remember anything that Modi Govt has said, which is an outright lie. So I believe them. I am not asking others to follow suit. They can continue living in their la la land, without any 'reflections' on others' character.

[Hari Seldon]

^ Theek hai.

Wish the GoI or at least the BJP released these figures publicly while making source-crediting and verification easy (e.g. like on PIB or from their official party handles).

Or maybe they have, who knows. Either way, life goes on. Onlee.

[sbajwa]

Why does Prakash Raj (The actor) thinks that Modi and Amit Shah are responsible for Lankesh's murder? Is he on drugs or something?

[putnanja]

Why does Prakash Raj (The actor) thinks that Modi and Amit Shah are responsible for Lankesh's murder? Is he on drugs or something?

It's because a narrative has been built that the RW did it as she was critical of them. hence, he wants Modi to condemn the killings ! strange logic, but when this narrative has been built in national & international press, they try to sustain it by making such statements. The police have zero clue, and these people want to milk her death before it gets proved that marxists or someone non-RW did it. By that time, the narrative would have run for so long people will believe it. Just like what happened to the church-stoning, church-robbery cases during Delhi polls last time. No one remembers the actual perpetrators, as all internet searches would bring up only the allegations.

[Sachin]

Why does Prakash Raj (The actor) thinks that Modi and Amit Shah are responsible for Lankesh's murder? Is he on drugs or something?

Prakash Raj also seems to be a late entrant to this charade. Other more "secular progressive liberals" have already made such statements. May be Prakash Raj got some confirmations about some state level awards now, and so he decided to do his "duty". But the ultimate jokers were a section of media who reported that Prakash Raj was all set to do "Award Wapsi". He said nothing of that sort would happen, as his awards were basically gifts for his hard work .

We have identified Gauri Lankesh's killers: Karnataka minister .
In this case it has been the minister who was always in "Sherlock Holmes" mode and kept on saying that the murder investigation is pretty much a done deal. The poor Lestrades and Gregsons of Karnataka Police are keeping mum. Two weeks back, they had said that they have identified the culprit; it was a person wearing a helmet .

[Shandilya]

It seems like opposition plan to muzzle the nationalistic social media with libel threat, while activating public figures like Prakash Raj, Kammal Hussan, Rajnikant, etc on social media.

[arshyam]

^^ What did Rajinikant do now?

As for Prakash Raj, I wonder why he does not ask for a statement from the CM, under whose bailiwick is L&O? Interesting that these intellectuals expect the PM to keep track of each and every incident happening across the country. Maybe that's why we never got ahead much - earlier PMs were too distracted by these issues and pacifying these types.

[putnanja]

^^ What did Rajinikant do now?

As for Prakash Raj, I wonder why he does not ask for a statement from the CM, under whose bailiwick is L&O? Interesting that these intellectuals expect the PM to keep track of each and every incident happening across the country. Maybe that's why we never got ahead much - earlier PMs were too distracted by these issues and pacifying these types.

No, it has started with Modi, asking him to answer for everything wrong in the country. This when they had no guts to question the congress which ruled for 60 years.

If any murder/rape/minority attack occurs in BJP ruled state, the state CM and PM are responsible. If it happens in opposition ruled state, only the PM is responsible. The media is still smarting and trying to attack PM/BJP to bring him down. And the fact that he ignores them is an even greater wound for them. So like wounded rabid dogs, they try to ensure the PM is dragged into all issues, even when states are responsible for it.