The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:42 pm

Is BJP remote controlling pappu? He says he will make a machine which taken in aloo and spits out gold.
And then he says he will give Gujaratis land on the moon where they can cultivate ..wait for it..aloo and he will install a machine which will send those aloo to the earth. I am sure even the biggest idiot on the earth will not believe these statements, so why would RG say it?

The video clips I saw don't seem to be fake, The voice is his and the lips synch.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:54 pm

Pappu states in the next line that these were Modi's promises to Gujarat in the last elections, even though there is no quote of Modi ever saying that

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Raj » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:42 pm

Not really political , but our Supreme Court saga.

India supreme court 'in crisis' over retired judge corruption case
Critics accuse chief justice Dipak Misra of insisting only judges of his choice can hear case of ex-judge accused of conspiring to bribe colleagues
Senior lawyers in India say the country’s supreme court is in crisis over the case of a former high court judge accused of offering to influence decisions for cash.

Events in the case in recent days have led to extraordinary accusations of misconduct against India’s most senior judge and fierce criticism of the supreme court, considered one of the country’s most upstanding institutions.

Critics accuse the Indian chief justice, Dipak Misra, of intervening to ensure only judges of his choice can hear a sensitive case relating to corruption involving a retired high court judge.

The retired judge, IM Quddusi, is accused of conspiring to bribe supreme court justices in a case over which Misra himself presided. It is not known which justices, if any, were allegedly offered bribes.

Quddusi was arrested in September along with five others accused of involvement in the alleged judicial bribery ring. Investigators have not alleged Misra or any other supreme court justice behaved corruptly.


Neither Quddusi nor Misra have commented publicly on the allegations.


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Questions over how to handle the case have sparked an uproar in the ordinarily sombre institution. The controversy is centred on a petition filed in the supreme court by a legal reform group, asking for the Quddusi case to be handled by an independent investigative team.

Among the issues raised by the petitioners was a possible likelihood of bias if Misra was to consider a case with some connection, however tenuous, to him or other judges.

The petition was first lodged in the court last Wednesday and listed for hearing at the end of the week before the court’s second most senior justice, Jasti Chelameswar.

Then, reportedly at Misra’s behest, this decision was overturned, and the case was allocated to a different bench.

The next day, another lawyer lodged the same petition with justice Chelameswar who, noting its “disturbing” allegations, ordered a hearing for Monday. He gave the order, despite a note being delivered from Misra during the proceedings, asking him not to make any decision in the case. Chelameswar attached Misra’s note as an appendix to the case record, which is available to the public.

In a hearing called late on Friday, the chief justice again overrode the decision by Chelameswar, ruling that the case would be heard by a bench of his choice early this week. Misra told the court that as chief justice he alone had the power to decide the schedule and roster of the supreme court’s hearings.


The Friday hearing was a chaotic affair, with one lawyer arguing the petition, Prashant Bhushan, escorted from the court while flanked by security after verbally remonstrating with Misra.

Bhushan later tweeted that the chief justice was guilty of “very serious misconduct”. “He has violated basic principle of natural justice, that you can’t be judge in your own cause,” he said.


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Shylashri Shankar, a fellow with the Delhi-based Centre for Police Research, who has authored a book about the supreme court, said judges on the 29-person bench had always had personal disagreements. But they had never before spilled over into the administration of the court. “That’s something I haven’t come across,” she said.

The supreme court on Tuesday dismissed the petition to refer the Quddusi matter to an independent investigative team, describing suggestions of possible bias as “derogatory and contemptuous”.

Alok Kumar, a senior resident fellow at the Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, said the episode was highly unusual and a “blow to the credibility of the supreme court”.

Kumar, who also sits on the executive committee of the judicial reform group that lodged the petition, said the chief justice had “completely mishandled” the case.

“It is unprecedented for a chief justice to assert this kind of power when his own conduct is in question,” he said.

PV Dinesh, a supreme court advocate for the past 20 years, said the controversy was concerning. “It has shaken public confidence in the Indian judicial system, in which the Indian public has put enormous faith, and which many Indians consider their last resort,” he said.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:32 pm

Aditya_V wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:54 pm
Pappu states in the next line that these were Modi's promises to Gujarat in the last elections, even though there is no quote of Modi ever saying that
Pappu seems obsessed with Aloo. Don't know why. Aloo comments made sense in UP which is the largest producer of Aloo. Gujarat seems to the the 4th largest producer with 1/6 of UP's production.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by dsreedhar » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:13 am

What did Modi actually say wrt the aloo m/c that RG claims in his speech? Did Modi say what RG claimed? Just curious...

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by fanne » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:05 am

Modi ji had said that give proper agriculture facilities to Gujarati farmers and the aloo famers will produce gold out of these farms (Jamin se sona ugane ki chamta rakhte hain). Bechara Pappu and his hindi knowlwdge.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by kittoo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:16 am

Chandragupta wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:01 am
I was reading an answer on Quora about Muslim growth rate and there was an answer on Bihar. So I asked my friend who's from Bihar and guess what, situation is worse than it looks. She said the slum behind her house is 100% Muslim and the women there work as maids & domestic helps in Hindu homes nearby. Says the average number of children they have by the age of 25-26 is 7 to 8. Some even have 12-14 kids. All go to madrasas and have no decent education.

So its hardly about BJP or Congress. Hindu India is going to fall demographically before it does politically. Having Congress means it falls 20 years earlier, that's just it.
This should be obvious to anyone with 2 eyes and a half working brain. Go to any Muslim area and see the overwhelming number of Children. In every Muslim family there is a line of children being born, without much difference in age.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:59 am

fanne wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:05 am
Modi ji had said that give proper agriculture facilities to Gujarati farmers and the aloo famers will produce gold out of these farms (Jamin se sona ugane ki chamta rakhte hain). Bechara Pappu and his hindi knowlwdge.
OMG, you cannot make this hilarious stuff up. Does Pappu even know Hindi? Or does he use Google Translate?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:00 am

SSundar wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:52 pm
Unfortunately, we seem to need a Yindoo Fundoo Yogi to do what should have been done by ALL states on the day Swacch Bharat was deployed. Modi seems to tread too soft on states. He refrains from pushing them hard on even schemes that make common sense.
^ Where's the dirt complaints call center for DL? or PJ? or TG? or MH sir? With time-bound redressal too. Just curious.

P.S. Reg going soft on the states, I agree. The daylight murders of HIndu org leaders, and RSS karyakartas in KL, in WB, in TN, recently also in PJ seems to have gotten no attention from the center. Federalist principles at play, I understand. Still...

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:09 am

Hari Seldon wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:00 am
^ Where's the dirt complaints call center for DL? or PJ? or TG? or MH sir? With time-bound redressal too. Just curious.
No misunderstanding. I am praising Yogi. He is setting a great example.
The damned "secular" CMs could not even accomplish this frickin' "secular" duty of cleaning up the trash diligently.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vrish » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:10 am

Karthik wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 am
SSundar wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:46 pm
Vrish wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:22 pm
Being pro-governance and not anti-hindu itself is a big deal. For now.
+1

I see a strong "Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas" drive in progress across the board. It is a different matter that the Peacefuls and Lovefuls don't understand or acknowledge it. Anecdotally, I only see the anti-Modi stance of some religions getting more virulent as Modi gets more popular.

He hasn't done anything anti-Hindu yet, even though he has not fixed any anti-Hindu things from the past or even the present.
And stupid indics are so enthralled at the rise of one man that they forgot what got him in the first place. Let's just be content with his glory, that will help us indeed. Not fixing things from the past is as anti-hindu as anything, you do realize what kind of anti-indic laws where brought into don't you? And not fixing those is costing us dearly. We are being taken for a ride by the top fatsos of the BJP. I posted a video above, the guy working for indic causes specifically states that 56" all are scared of the ecosystem that their image will be tarnished.
I think you are just ranting here. If indics are stupid, then surely you are one of them no? So lets lay off the frustrated pejoratives.

I and many NaMo voters are not enthralled by him or his glory, whatever that is supposed to mean. I am more interested in the fact he is putting things in place for a proper Govt and administration and putting the economy and national defense back on track, step by step. Along the way, making BJP the de facto power base for running successive admins. These are the prerequisites to breaking the BIF nexus (by ensuring people have a full stomach and dont fall prey to EJs) and by ensuring a coherent state can fend off aggressive NGO-Govt interventions.

Any overt action for "Hindu interests" etc will anyhow flop if he loses power. So aim is to run the state, fix it, own it then start gradually on all the rest. As a middle class taxpayer, my pocket is always empty due to GOI, but I didnt protest demon (because shoddy execution apart, its intent was clear), I am not getting sops - but if the focus on infra & economy picks up, then the trickle down benefits will help.

I also think it is unrealistic to expect NaMo to fix everything. His background is limited to specific public policy he ran as a CM. He is not some savant born with a wide automatic PhD level understanding of every topic. He is human. How can he be expected to simultaneously fix health, education, sanitation, foreign policy, national defense etc. What can be expected is to have him delegate these tasks to competent individuals and monitor them. Take decisions based on expert input or consensus (and these too can have significant limitations).

So by no means do I think NaMo is perfect. But he is a huge step up from the completely corrupt, depraved, anti-Hindu cronies of the erstswhile cabal ruling India.

He respects my faith, is confident enough to attend poojas and visit temples openly (not skulk around quoting secularism), people are feeling confident enough to state they are Hindus in his rule, without being persecuted. That alone is a huge step up.

Now, what am I not so happy about?

- National defense policy is still chaotic. There seems to be no coherent policy to MII with significant programs for local manufacturers, R&D etc. Running around giving orders abroad is not a solution. Also, what is the long term policy towards TSP? Just border whacking is not enough for the long haul. But significant progress in recent days with pvtization, defense services given financial powers for restocking etc.

- Economic policy is too fixated in the hands of MOF, whose handling so far, has been decidedly unimpressive. The middle class continues to bear a disproportionate burden. Lets see how things turn out in run up to 2019 perhaps some sops.

- The JNU/Left crowd is yet to feel the heat for supporting seccession; RSS workers continue to be attacked. Some cases are now being filed and action is finally being taken. Too slow by AS I feel, but things seem to be improving.

- The Congis continue to engage in BIF type activities & no significant anti-corruption measures have been used against them. Ditto for DDM. This remains a huge challenge.

All said & done, long way to go, but still a huge sight better from the previous Hinduphobic dispensation.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandragupta » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:17 am

kittoo wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:16 am
Chandragupta wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:01 am
I was reading an answer on Quora about Muslim growth rate and there was an answer on Bihar. So I asked my friend who's from Bihar and guess what, situation is worse than it looks. She said the slum behind her house is 100% Muslim and the women there work as maids & domestic helps in Hindu homes nearby. Says the average number of children they have by the age of 25-26 is 7 to 8. Some even have 12-14 kids. All go to madrasas and have no decent education.

So its hardly about BJP or Congress. Hindu India is going to fall demographically before it does politically. Having Congress means it falls 20 years earlier, that's just it.
This should be obvious to anyone with 2 eyes and a half working brain. Go to any Muslim area and see the overwhelming number of Children. In every Muslim family there is a line of children being born, without much difference in age.
Yes but is it clear to the Government? I think it is, more so to Modi than anyone else. He knows the demographic game, 'paanch ke pachees'. I hope he implements a nation wide 2 child policy with ban on the 3rd child. No Hindu will oppose it, no Sikh will oppose it, even Christians will not oppose it, only Mullahs will.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vrish » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:20 am

^^ will be compared to a tyrant, and howls for his removal.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sanjayC » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:30 am

^^ Wars are not won by being in the good book of opponents

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:58 am

Vrish wrote:He respects my faith, is confident enough to attend poojas and visit temples openly (not skulk around quoting secularism), people are feeling confident enough to state they are Hindus in his rule, without being persecuted. That alone is a huge step up.
PIL In Supreme Court Seeks Minority Status For Hindus In These 8 States . Fine the court, conveniently pushed the buck to the National Minority Commission.
SC to consider PIL for Bapu killing re-probe . The courts are yet to give the final verdict.

But just see the kind of litigations which people are now slowly bringing up. Godse's link (!?) with RSS & Hindus always assumed to be majority were some things which were taken for granted all this while in India. Now some people are making attempts to correct it. I tend to agree with you that "Hindu" is not a cuss word in India any more. And what I am also liking is that, unlike in BGF many people are NOT expecting Modi & Co to do all the grunt work. Many people are using his rule, to take up issues which they feel are worth fighting for.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:40 am

BGF superheros as they have posted here only like to see BJP and lovely INC +left win.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by AbhishekC » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:02 pm

I had posted on BRF just after the BJP victory'2014 that it needs to only 2 things in order to ensure that Hindus get victory in the long run:
1. Allow Hindus to open schools that give Hindu education (like minorities get)
2. Arm Hindu population to the teeth.

That's it. Once the demographic pressure force a confrontation, our dear minorities would find a huge problem.

But will the short term focused political leadership oblige? No.
They would rather keep Hindu society and dependent on itself than work for the long term benefit of society.
(And then people wonder why I turned anti-Modi)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by jamwal » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:07 pm

:rotfl:

Arm Hindu population ?

Unfortunately, there is lot more to do in this country. So I guess we will have to live with you hating Modi for quite some time.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:21 pm

Vrish wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:10 am
Karthik wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 am
SSundar wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:46 pm


+1

I see a strong "Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas" drive in progress across the board. It is a different matter that the Peacefuls and Lovefuls don't understand or acknowledge it. Anecdotally, I only see the anti-Modi stance of some religions getting more virulent as Modi gets more popular.

He hasn't done anything anti-Hindu yet, even though he has not fixed any anti-Hindu things from the past or even the present.
And stupid indics are so enthralled at the rise of one man that they forgot what got him in the first place. Let's just be content with his glory, that will help us indeed. Not fixing things from the past is as anti-hindu as anything, you do realize what kind of anti-indic laws where brought into don't you? And not fixing those is costing us dearly. We are being taken for a ride by the top fatsos of the BJP. I posted a video above, the guy working for indic causes specifically states that 56" all are scared of the ecosystem that their image will be tarnished.
I think you are just ranting here. If indics are stupid, then surely you are one of them no? So lets lay off the frustrated pejoratives.

I and many NaMo voters are not enthralled by him or his glory, whatever that is supposed to mean. I am more interested in the fact he is putting things in place for a proper Govt and administration and putting the economy and national defense back on track, step by step. Along the way, making BJP the de facto power base for running successive admins. These are the prerequisites to breaking the BIF nexus (by ensuring people have a full stomach and dont fall prey to EJs) and by ensuring a coherent state can fend off aggressive NGO-Govt interventions.

Any overt action for "Hindu interests" etc will anyhow flop if he loses power. So aim is to run the state, fix it, own it then start gradually on all the rest. As a middle class taxpayer, my pocket is always empty due to GOI, but I didnt protest demon (because shoddy execution apart, its intent was clear), I am not getting sops - but if the focus on infra & economy picks up, then the trickle down benefits will help.

I also think it is unrealistic to expect NaMo to fix everything. His background is limited to specific public policy he ran as a CM. He is not some savant born with a wide automatic PhD level understanding of every topic. He is human. How can he be expected to simultaneously fix health, education, sanitation, foreign policy, national defense etc. What can be expected is to have him delegate these tasks to competent individuals and monitor them. Take decisions based on expert input or consensus (and these too can have significant limitations).

So by no means do I think NaMo is perfect. But he is a huge step up from the completely corrupt, depraved, anti-Hindu cronies of the erstswhile cabal ruling India.

He respects my faith, is confident enough to attend poojas and visit temples openly (not skulk around quoting secularism), people are feeling confident enough to state they are Hindus in his rule, without being persecuted. That alone is a huge step up.

Now, what am I not so happy about?

- National defense policy is still chaotic. There seems to be no coherent policy to MII with significant programs for local manufacturers, R&D etc. Running around giving orders abroad is not a solution. Also, what is the long term policy towards TSP? Just border whacking is not enough for the long haul. But significant progress in recent days with pvtization, defense services given financial powers for restocking etc.

- Economic policy is too fixated in the hands of MOF, whose handling so far, has been decidedly unimpressive. The middle class continues to bear a disproportionate burden. Lets see how things turn out in run up to 2019 perhaps some sops.

- The JNU/Left crowd is yet to feel the heat for supporting seccession; RSS workers continue to be attacked. Some cases are now being filed and action is finally being taken. Too slow by AS I feel, but things seem to be improving.

- The Congis continue to engage in BIF type activities & no significant anti-corruption measures have been used against them. Ditto for DDM. This remains a huge challenge.

All said & done, long way to go, but still a huge sight better from the previous Hinduphobic dispensation.
Indics who think economy and governance will help majority are stupids, looks like you are one too. Just being well off economically doesn't guarantee survival of a civilization, also if hardships and poverty is sure way of losing civilization, you and I wouldn't be here today.
All your mumbo jumbo doesn't cover what I mentioned, so reply that's related to the context and not post parallel points.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:24 pm

Aditya_V wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:40 am
BGF superheros as they have posted here only like to see BJP and lovely INC +left win.
If that makes them realize they can't use majority and put issues in back seat, why not? To make something, sometimes you need to break something.
Unless your priority is BJP win rather than dharmic resurgence, which the govt policies are holding back.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:26 pm

AbhishekC wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:02 pm
I had posted on BRF just after the BJP victory'2014 that it needs to only 2 things in order to ensure that Hindus get victory in the long run:
1. Allow Hindus to open schools that give Hindu education (like minorities get)
2. Arm Hindu population to the teeth.

That's it. Once the demographic pressure force a confrontation, our dear minorities would find a huge problem.

But will the short term focused political leadership oblige? No.
They would rather keep Hindu society and dependent on itself than work for the long term benefit of society.
(And then people wonder why I turned anti-Modi)
Arming seems going too far sir. Things can easily be brought under control through govt policies such as repealing RTE as you mentioned, freeing up temples, UCC, strict 2 child policy, deporting illegals. None of these require arming population.

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Post by jamwal » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:41 pm

Karthik wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:21 pm


Indics who think economy and governance will help majority are stupids, looks like you are one too. Just being well off economically doesn't guarantee survival of a civilization, also if hardships and poverty is sure way of losing civilization, you and I wouldn't be here today.
All your mumbo jumbo doesn't cover what I mentioned, so reply that's related to the context and not post parallel points.

I normally don't interfere when it's not addressed to me, but you certainly seem like a worse person and more stupid than the other person you are berating. All you have is whines about "Mudi this, Mudi did naat doo dat" and abuses when people don't agree.

Losers who have nothing going on in their lives behave exactly like you do on internet when anonymous.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:50 pm

jamwal wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:41 pm
Karthik wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:21 pm


Indics who think economy and governance will help majority are stupids, looks like you are one too. Just being well off economically doesn't guarantee survival of a civilization, also if hardships and poverty is sure way of losing civilization, you and I wouldn't be here today.
All your mumbo jumbo doesn't cover what I mentioned, so reply that's related to the context and not post parallel points.

I normally don't interfere when it's not addressed to me, but you certainly seem like a worse person and more stupid than the other person you are berating. All you have is whines about "Mudi this, Mudi did naat doo dat" and abuses when people don't agree.

Losers who have nothing going on in their lives behave exactly like you do on internet when anonymous.
Firstly, my initial post was in reference to the video I posted yesterday, wherein the lawyer talks about unwillingness of the govt to take up ANY action as they are afraid of the opposition.
Secondly, it seems to hurt you when someone criticizes NM, that you interfere. BTW, I've known your behavior and language for sometime now and nothing much to talk off there, no need to get on high horse. What exactly are you doing here if you are not a loser with nothing happening in life?

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Post by jamwal » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:20 pm

Three Years In, Modi Remains Very Popular
Broad public satisfaction with economy; declining support for U.S.


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Indians’ approval of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and their satisfaction with both their country’s direction and the state of its economy have grown in recent years. Three years into Modi’s five-year tenure, the honeymoon period for his administration may be over but the public’s love affair with current conditions in India is even more intense.

Nearly nine-in-ten Indians hold a favorable opinion of Modi, comparable to their view of him in 2015, after a year in office. Roughly seven-in-ten say they have a very favorable view of the prime minister, again similar to public views in 2015.

These are among the main findings of a Pew Research Center survey conducted among 2,464 respondents in India from Feb. 21 to March 10, 2017.
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Post by Hari Seldon » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:34 pm

^ Kinda interesting thing reg the pew survey results:

1. seems NM has greater support among the Urban populace than among the rurals. I would've thought it would be the reverse given the amount of grameen focus his admin has given.

2. NM seems to have more support among men than women. Again, I would've thought his ujwala and shauchalaya schemes would've endeared him to the womenfolks only.

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