The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by srikumar » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:43 am

^^^ I don't know what more proof do KL hindues need to understand that the communist govt is anti-Hindu and will use brutality- mental and physical, on innocent pilgrims to enforce a writ that was arbitrarily selected by SC for judgment.

Is there now a clear polarization between the Hindus of KL and CPI supporters/party members/sympathizers?

It is also clear that KL Hindus will have to fight their own battles against their government and their linguistic brothers and sisters ie fellow Malayalam speakers, count for jackshit in the battle. Seemingly the bond of language is weaker than the bond of religion.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:42 am

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So why can't congress be part of MGB here? If BSP and SP can get together, they must find it much easier to join hands with congress.
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Post by Supratik » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:47 pm

It is likely that Shivpal Yadav will contest with his own party in 2019 LS. So even with BSP-SP alliance things may not work out for MGB.

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Post by JohnTitor » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:42 pm

srikumar wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:43 am
^^^ I don't know what more proof do KL hindues need to understand that the communist govt is anti-Hindu and will use brutality- mental and physical, on innocent pilgrims to enforce a writ that was arbitrarily selected by SC for judgment.

Is there now a clear polarization between the Hindus of KL and CPI supporters/party members/sympathizers?

It is also clear that KL Hindus will have to fight their own battles against their government and their linguistic brothers and sisters ie fellow Malayalam speakers, count for jackshit in the battle. Seemingly the bond of language is weaker than the bond of religion.
Unfortunately, history has shown that Hindus will not learn from their past (Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh, WB, UP etc.. forget more historical incidents). They will be more open to secularism and question their culture than that of a foreign culture.

Hindus don't need enemies, when they have themselves. But then again, Krishna has already foretold this, so it shouldn't be surprising. It is sad and painful though.

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Post by fanne » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:33 pm

cmo'n John Titor sir, can you please stop dissing Hindus at this time. They are showing great resolve. Can things be better in rest of india, yes!!, but this is the process.

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Post by Sachin » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:37 am

srikumar wrote:Is there now a clear polarization between the Hindus of KL and CPI supporters/party members/sympathizers?
My dear sir, polarization is going to real extreme levels which can be even felt in family WhatsApp groups. These groups which only had the usual set of "Have a nice day", "Good Morning", "Happy Onam" kind of messages, became a political battle field. I can with confidence say that CPI(M) and CPI party cadre is facing stiff challenge right at their own home front. And that is why the turn out for the "explanation rallies" conducted by CPI(M) was extremely low. The CPI(M) strategy was to use the supreme court verdict to conduct a "social revolution" in India. And if any thing really bad happens, they can pass the blame back to the Supreme court.
It is also clear that KL Hindus will have to fight their own battles against their government and their linguistic brothers and sisters ie fellow Malayalam speakers, count for jackshit in the battle.
The main battle would have to be fought by the KL Hindus. But ramifications of this whole issue has also been felt in other states. There were protests held at various parts of other South Indian states. There is a Youtube video floating around; that of a Tamil Ayyappa devotee clearly telling pilgrims NOT to donate money to the Travancore Devaswom Board. And pilgrims from other states would also join their fellow Ayyappas from KL if some thing really drastic happens at Sabari Mala. Last time around when various feminazis landed up; the protests were not 100% Malayali attempt. There were people from other states as well.
fanne wrote:They are showing great resolve. Can things be better in rest of india, yes!!, but this is the process.
The Sabari Mala model protests can now be a template to be used if the various "secular" governments try more of such tricks. BJP leadership in KL was talking about taking this issue into other South Indian states as well (KA would be the state to welcome them with open arms).

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Post by srikumar » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:56 am

Good to note the polarization. If the communists party people (not just leaders but the low level worker or even a passive sympathizer) had any heart or humanity, it would not have gone this far. Stalinist is the right term.

About other people supporting (or not), my specific point was that two-thirds of the native population in KL are either dis-interested observers or tacitly supporting this anti-Hindu action by the govt. Their common mother tongue of Malayalam has not made them any more sympathetic to the suffering of their Hindu pilgrim neighbors. They might as well be citizens of Arunachal, Ladhakh (India) or of Maldives or Sri Lanka at this point, common language notwithstanding. (Yes, I aware aware of the protest in other parts of South India- many of them by non-Malayalam speaking Hindus).

At some intellectual level I did partly expect this, but it quite another thing and very revealing, to see this (inaction) in action. This is a good lesson to people of India, particularly people like ex MP Navjot Sidhu who hugged and openly expressed his common cause with Punjabi-speaking Pakistanis (over South Indians) just because some of them speak his mother tongue of Punjabi.

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Post by chetak » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:16 pm

Sabarimala: Consent of the Governed vs Divine Right


Sabarimala: Consent of the Governed vs Divine Right

Agents of social change should generate consensus by understanding societies actual needs and then implementing solutions to these problems through correct non-manipulative channels.

SHREYASH, NOVEMBER 17, 2018

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Police excesses at Sabarimala devotees peacefully protesting against the SC verdict

Ramesh and Suresh get into a conflict over a piece of land. Unable to resolve their conflict they mutually decide to approach Chandrakant, a wise elderly man known for his impartiality. They explain the situation to him. Chandrakant listens patiently and gives his verdict in favour of Ramesh. Suresh, though disappointed accepts the verdict and the conflict is resolved. The question here is, why is Chandrakant’s judgement acceptable to both? Is it because he is elderly or because he is wise? Actually, it is neither of this. The reason his judgement is acceptable to both is that both Ramesh and Suresh gave him consent to be the arbitrator, they reposed their faith in him.

In a democratic setup, the relationship between a government and citizens is maintained on a similar principle – Consent of the Governed. In a democracy, citizens have given their consent to public institutions (Parliament, Judiciary, Police etc.) to govern them. In order to govern, the state uses 2 methods,

Create laws and policies which the citizens consensually abide by

Use of force/ penalties where citizens don’t abide by the law


A Citizen’s faith is crucial for the government to pull off its policies. Just go back to our demonetization days. Whether demonetization succeeded or failed is another discussion but the unshakable faith which citizens had in PM Modi helped him pull off something which would otherwise have produced widespread resentment. But in cases where rogue elements do not abide by laws, the state reserves the right to use force, again a right which is given by its citizens. Basically, the state has to balance between these 2 stated methods, it cannot expect 100% compliance and hence it has to use force but then neither can it only resort to force all the time against the wishes of the people.

When there is an imbalance in A and B, society is pushed into turmoil. If the state is not able to use force where required, the crime rate will increase and if society’s faith in its institutions goes down, it will increase disobedience and create excessive strain on law enforcement. Hence the balance is important. Let us take 2 recent examples – firecracker ban and Sabarimala. In both these cases, there has been widespread disobedience and if the state wants to implement these policies against the will of people, a disproportionate amount of force will have to be used. The Kerala government is doing just that, it is using force to coerce this judgement on people. This will create further mistrust between government and the governed and is a very slippery slope to walk on.

But what is it that is giving ordinary citizens a motivation to disobey at such a mass scale? Let us go back to the initial example. When Ramesh and Suresh approached Chandrakant to be the arbitrator, it is because he has earned that right based on his past conduct. Also, there were 2 implied conditions,

Impartiality
Arbitration is limited to this particular case


Same is the relationship between state and citizens. Citizens give consent to the state to govern a part of their lives, leaving the remaining part to their discretion and secondly the state is supposed to be impartial. In the above 2 judgements, both these unstated tenants have been broken. Ordinary citizens believe that the state is overstepping its mandate and entering places where it should not be interfering in. Also, people no longer believe that the laws and policies are impartial and this is the basis of current disobedience. Both these are not good signs and can have major undesirable effects on our future.

Let me again refer to the Wikipedia article linked above, “This theory of consent is historically contrasted to the divine right of kings and had often been invoked against the legitimacy of colonialism. Article 21 of the United Nation’s 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that “The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government”.”

It is very important to understand the subtle yet very important difference between the 2 philosophies – ‘Consent’and ‘Divine Right’. In a democratic setup, the will of people should be the basis of government and not some misplaced notion of divine right where the courts and parliaments can impose their sense of righteousness on the people. No matter how lucrative it is, the law has to resist the temptation of moral policing. This works in a colonial setup but not in a democracy. However, recent judgements seem to have been delivered on the assumption of ‘Divine right’- where law insists on guiding people in a direction which it deems fit. This short-cut approach to social change also suits the NGO’s and third parties who don’t want to take the burden of society’s aspirations but love to impose their moral code on society.

There is one more concept in political philosophy – ‘The right to revolution; of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests and/or threatens the safety of the people without cause’. Leftists always try to invoke this right to revolution by introducing victimization in society, dividing society and pitting groups against each other. But what we are seeing in Kerala today is a more spontaneous revolution and it is indeed ironical that a leftist government is at the receiving end.

But does that mean that society can only be populist in a democracy? Not at all, social change is required at many levels. But this social change should be brought about by the will of the governed. Agents of social change should generate consensus by understanding societies actual needs and then implementing solutions to these problems through correct non-manipulative channels. But as long as custodians of public institutions refuse to get down from their self-imagined pedestals of moral superiority, the balance between consensus and force will always be tilted.

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Post by Sachin » Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:31 pm

srikumar wrote:About other people supporting (or not), my specific point was that two-thirds of the native population in KL are either dis-interested observers or tacitly supporting this anti-Hindu action by the govt.
The Sabari Mala issue has made an impact on pretty much every Hindu household in KL. That is even within the homes of the so called communists/aethists. But Kerala also has a large X'ian and Muslim community, which put together are equal (or more than) the Hindu population in KL. From what I have seen on social media, the biggest supporters of the Supreme Court verdict are from the X'ian and Muslim communities. The older generation from both these communities are matured enough to either keep away or support the Hindus. The younger generation have all turned to be 100% devotees of Indian Constituition and judiciary in this issue.

It is also worth while to analyse the statement made by the Finance Minister of Kerala, Thomas Issac on the Sabari Mala issue. This comrade is an X'ian; so he any ways will not have any religious sentiments associated with Sabari Mala. His main concern is that the issues at Sabari Mala would hit the state financially. Sabari Mala pilgrimage actually is a major source of income for the government as well many local business establishments. It would be worth while to note who are the "small time business entities" involved in Sabari Mala pilgrimage, especially in the area of hotel, local accomodation and transportation. Top most would be the X'ian community, followed by Muslims. There are lot of minority (?) community traders/businessmen/hoteliers who survive on the Hindu belief system at Sabari Mala. But this is not known to many Hindus themselves.

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Post by crams » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:57 pm

Guys, I watch with contempt at the new found love for "Hindu fascist", "communal", "Brahmin" Carnatic music by Lutyen mafia. And I laugh my ass of at the sheer superficiality of bimbos like Undy"s Sunetra Chowdhary or Maya Mirchndani, or western wannabe taodie Guha or any number of them in their praise of Carnatic music just for a day or two, all because their lover boy T.M.Krishna supposedly fights the "Hindu bigots" and "Hindu barbarians" has distorted Carnatic music sung in praise of Isvara to include praise of Jesus and Allah. Now, this T.M. Krishna might be a self loathing Hindu Iyengar, but he sure has turned a very useful propaganda weapon against BJP. Us Hindus are cursed to have such cretins in our midst, but they must be taken on, and I applaud what the Lutynes calls as 'trolls'. But for them, this puke would have gone unexposed. And like all sore losers, after having a field day demonizing BJP/RSS and devout Hindus, is now crying victim-hood after being hit back in the same coin.

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Post by darshhan » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:05 pm

Sachin wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:31 pm
From what I have seen on social media, the biggest supporters of the Supreme Court verdict are from the X'ian and Muslim communities. The older generation from both these communities are matured enough to either keep away or support the Hindus. The younger generation have all turned to be 100% devotees of Indian Constituition and judiciary in this issue.
Well this is one story that is being repeated almost on every Hindu issue these days. Muslims and christians are totally opposed to Hindus. Their viewpoints, opinions and solutions are 180 degree opposed to that of Hindus. And the rift created by them is only widening. For common hindus they have nothing but derison and plain hatred. All rooted in their narrow hateful and exclusivist abrahmic ideologies.

So what comes in the future? Mark my words, short of a disruptive development, these islamics and christos are going to impose a civil war on Hindus. A civil war for which Hindus are totally unprepared. And they cant even count on state, which is biased against them from the start.

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Post by vishvak » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:08 am

For common hindus they have nothing but derison and plain hatred.
Are common Hindus aware of this? Or that commies have cornered right to revolution exclusively etcetera.

On a brighter note, how about discussion on thing like Goa civil code for its merits.

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Post by chetak » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:35 am

All those cribbing about Modi, this is the alternative.

This is the very core of the duplicitous party's fundamental and fairly brazen open agenda. Their offshore masters and the BIF collective is not going to give up on such a huge prey base for conversion and sustenance. The desert ideologies are in fierce competition here.

This prey base is also the future supply chain for gullible expendables that return in body bags, if at all the expended are ever accorded such courtesy.

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Govt land for churches, subsidy for Christian pilgrims, taxpayer funded salaries for Padres.. Yay, Bible Raj!!

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Post by Dumal » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:04 am

^^^ :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll:

Sabarimala should be (or is?) secular while government-built community halls need to be Christian? And they would probably get most of what is in the list in Telengana!

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Post by chetak » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:46 am

This is why Sabarimala verdict has come about.

The BIF is emboldened, the discrimination is fundamental and blessed by the "holy" constitution" which all the BIF copiously quote to justify their brazen sickular assaults.

India is a true democracy.



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Post by Sachin » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:47 am

crams wrote: Now, this T.M. Krishna might be a self loathing Hindu Iyengar, but he sure has turned a very useful propaganda weapon against BJP
Mega-susu awards are not given without due diligence :lol:. They really know how to identify useful idiots suitable for being BIF pawns. T.M Krishna was such a shameless person who actually plagiarised old kritis written honouring Hindu gods. He has not made an original composition/kriti, when he could have done that eulogising non-Hindu gods.
darshhan wrote:Well this is one story that is being repeated almost on every Hindu issue these days. Muslims and christians are totally opposed to Hindus. Their viewpoints, opinions and solutions are 180 degree opposed to that of Hindus.
And this has been on the increase after Modi became the PM. That has riled up pretty much every X'ian and Muslim, I know. Till then perhaps they kept their view points, opinions etc. hidden hoping that they can trust Sonia Maino's Congress would take care of them. But the fact that Modi & BJP came to power has kind of shocked them, and also forced them to express their mind set.
vishvak wrote:Are common Hindus aware of this? Or that commies have cornered right to revolution exclusively etcetera.
In Kerala common Hindus are not aware of the long term plans of BIF. Infact the concept of "Break India Forces" itself is not known to many. And even in the case of Sabari Mala an average Keralite Hindu has understood the danger for that temple, but they have still NOT realised that this is just one task of the BIF. It is just one battle front, part of many other battle fronts across parts of India.

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Post by SSundar » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:02 am



I thought conventional wisdom here in BGR/BRF is that Narayana Murthy, having been the Director of Ford Foundation India, is part of BIF. This video is interesting. Not only is he all praise for Modi and does not take some bait questions from the anchor, he also castigates Indian people pretty well. This strikes a chord with me personally because I see most "ordinary" people who hate Modi seem to have a total disregard for their civic duties to the country. They blame him for everything from garbage on the streets to local corruption at the municipality level. They also want low petrol prices and don't give a damn about what consequences it leads the country into. Murthy seems to be kicking in the groin of exactly THAT gang. I have to admit that I loved it so much.

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Post by SSundar » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:13 am

The Chennai "Dog Meat" Raid

The irony of it all.

The dog meat was labelled "Beef". So, it is highly likely to have been consumed by those that love Beef Biriyani:

1. Peacefuls and the Ambedkar Periyar Society in IITM.
2. Liberals who didn't want those dogs to be hurt by Diwali fireworks but loved their beef steaks "dripping with blood".

Oh, well. Swamiye...

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Post by Lilo » Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:38 pm

Good support for Modi (if one assumes its an unbiased sample) of Autowalas in Delhi - video is in Hindi
One autovallah speaking of a strategic reason to contain China for Modi's visits to Govts abroad surprised me @10:00.
Many of them likely to be from migrant background from states surrounding Delhi.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgTaGAB ... e=youtu.be

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Post by chetak » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

Indic Collective @indiccollective

The rule 6(c) which prevents entry of women aged between 10-50 years in #Sabarimala has not been struck down by the Hon'ble SC. Hence TDB is bound to implement the rule 6(c) of its act and prevent the entry of women belonging to the said age group into the temple



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1USkSQwENs

In conversation with T R Ramesh on Sabarimala - the way forward


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Post by JohnTitor » Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:13 pm

SSundar wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:02 am

I thought conventional wisdom here in BGR/BRF is that Narayana Murthy, having been the Director of Ford Foundation India, is part of BIF. This video is interesting. Not only is he all praise for Modi and does not take some bait questions from the anchor, he also castigates Indian people pretty well. This strikes a chord with me personally because I see most "ordinary" people who hate Modi seem to have a total disregard for their civic duties to the country. They blame him for everything from garbage on the streets to local corruption at the municipality level. They also want low petrol prices and don't give a damn about what consequences it leads the country into. Murthy seems to be kicking in the groin of exactly THAT gang. I have to admit that I loved it so much.
I've not seen the video but it is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. Talk is cheap and Actions speak far louder than words and the guy's actions have done more harm than good. He appointed Sheldon Pollock, the modern day Max Muller, as the head of Murty Classical Library of India - all so he can sit on find ivy League board... So you will forgive me if I don't share your admiration for mur-tea.

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Post by shravanp » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:46 pm

SSundar wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:13 am
The Chennai "Dog Meat" Raid

The irony of it all.

The dog meat was labelled "Beef". So, it is highly likely to have been consumed by those that love Beef Biriyani:

1. Peacefuls and the Ambedkar Periyar Society in IITM.
2. Liberals who didn't want those dogs to be hurt by Diwali fireworks but loved their beef steaks "dripping with blood".

Oh, well. Swamiye...
:mrgreen: :lol:

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Post by Prasan » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:22 am

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Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey gets flak for holding sign that says 'Smash Brahminical Patriarchy'

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Post by crams » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:17 am

Prasan, sure there was some outrage and impotent rage expressed on SM, but ultimately, what flak did he get? Brahmins are easy targets and can be shat and pissed upon with no consequences, matter of fact, Brahmin bashing gets you into the elite Lutyen club.

Frankly, patriarchy is in general a societal problem almost everywhere. Singling out Brahmins is hateful propaganda. Can you imagine Dorsey f!ker holding something like 'smash Islamic terrorism' or even closer to home, 'smash white supremacy'? Matter of fact, which ever bimbo who among those who lined up to swoon on his manhood, would even one of them dare give him such a placard bashing jihadis?

On the lighter side, just curious but who are all these chics? There is Burka bibi, there is anna vetticad bimbo. And other than the one on the extreme left, and the one to the right of Dorsey, I doubt any of the other tootsies get any male pleasuring them and hence probably their rage against easy prey like Brahmins.

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Post by Muns » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:53 am

It's a long been an subconcious equal-equal where you can say that Brahminism is a subtle form to really say Hinduism. If you can't come out and blatantly say Hinduism, then you can say Brahminism. Anybody who googles this will automatically link this to Hindus of course.
Unfortunately this seems to be a strategy of cut the heads off completely and the body will of course die. It's pathetic to see that none of these people, who have no concept of the of Guru Parampara and the line of knowledge passed through Brahmins to the rest of India.

As Crams, says they have been a soft target. Not just among these idiot Western elites, but our own TN movement via Periyar as well. Brahmins really have become the football for everybody.

Take a look at this news report below, granted it is Nepal but again the same vitriolic hatred towards Brahmins.

Church in Nepal Forced to Shut Down
https://www.christianheadlines.com/blog ... -down.html

On another note folks, as part of India-Aware, I have come into possession of two rather large Facebook groups with quite a large reach. This can be somewhat of a positive reaching point in trying to disseminate more knowledge.
The bigger one is the Vote for Modi group. Over six lakh members, for which I have been trying to run as a pro Modi campaign.
There are some of the smaller groups as well that we manage, but if anybody is interested to police these groups and direct them more towards pro-Hindu and Modi News, then you are more than welcome to join our social media outreach.

Think about taking a stand folks....Elections really are not too far off.

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