The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by RajaRaja » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:21 am

rhytha wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:05 am
chetak wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:03 am
Watch this video.

The lady is apparently from news laundry, the "great web portal" and suhel seth is apparently doing her laundry in public.

No complaint, no protest and no objection from the lootyen's liberandu who is affected.


Sexual harassment is when ONLY women are not interested, if they are interested, its just playful and seen as confidence. The line is very blurry.

Consent: It is as simple as Tea


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Post by chetak » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:25 am

srikumar wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:25 am
Actually, I do think SC can be 'blamed' for taking up this case when it did. With thousands of cases pending before the SC, it is very curious why they picked this one. I dont think they go by the date of filing.
Usually, everyone goes by cases that benefit the most.

BIF is all too obviously present in every case of such wantonly skewed delivery of "justice" and not surprisingly, it always involves ONLY the majority community and NEVER anyone else.

As more the quid, so the pro quo.

Thousands upon thousands of cases pending and yet these are the ones they pick everytime and without fail, other than, of course, waking up at 2AM to provide succour and "judicial comfort" to terrorists and urban naxals.

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Post by Vikas » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:03 am

Do we have any latest opinion poll on the upcoming elections ?

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Post by RajaRaja » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:07 am

Decoding #MeToo For Those Who Are Still Conflicted And Confused About It
https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/decoding- ... d-about-it
Minister of State for External Affairs M J Akbar has probably erred on his score. He has every right to seek legal remedies (as he already has) against some of the women who have alleged various acts of sexual misconduct by him in the distant past, but it would have been better if he had done so after resigning his post and fighting his battle for vindication as a private citizen. By staying on, he is essentially validating the #MeToo campaign, which is substantially about men using positions of power to demand sexual favours – or acquiescence – from women who may not be in a position to deny them. Or feel that the ecosystem is hostile.

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Post by crams » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:31 am

Professor Vaidyanathan and I see eye to eye on this Lutyen bimbos' 'metoo' drama copied from US

https://www.pgurus.com/an-in-depth-conv ... ent/49640/

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Post by rhytha » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:56 am

Haldiram wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:21 am
rhytha wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:05 am
chetak wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:03 am
Watch this video.

The lady is apparently from news laundry, the "great web portal" and suhel seth is apparently doing her laundry in public.

No complaint, no protest and no objection from the lootyen's liberandu who is affected.



Sexual harassment is when ONLY women are not interested, if they are interested, its just playful and seen as confidence. The line is very blurry.

Consent: It is as simple as Tea

Sorry tea and sex are very different.

The metoo movement is different from this, it was more power harassment and sexual favors, so its more clear on that aspect that the women where in a situation where they will lose out on things if they don't comply. Some might have complied, took the favors, but most would'nt.

The video above fits more of social situations, similar to "men are from mars, women are from venus" type scenarios. Women at work too send many signals, it hard to decipher them for most men, and men with power don't usually bother deciphering them, since they see it as zero sum game.

Seen it in close quarters and the consequences.

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Post by Sachin » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:12 am

fanne wrote:Why does it discriminate against women?
For that to be understood, we need to know some unique aspects of Hinduism in KL. Many of the popular temples today are centuries old, and the dieties out there are worshipped in a specific way. Each diety may have its own uniqueness in a temple. In Sabari Mala, Ayyappah is worshipped in his celebate form. Where as there are temples in which he is worshipped as a child and also as a family man. So in a place where the diety is celebate, women devotees (who are in an age group where they can reproduce) are not allowed. Why? It is because that is how that diety wishes things to be. Now if the worshipper is above the God/Diety and starts dictacting terms to God/Diety, then the whole excercise called "devotion" becomes meaningless. There are temple festivals in Kerala where only women participate. There is a Naga/snake temple where there can only be a priestess; never a priest (a male). Now citing our great constitution, we can try making all these "equal-equal", and break the faith associated with these temples. Which is precisely what many people in India really want.
crams wrote:This whole thing is led by a bunch Lutyen Bimbos. The SC should have stayed out instead of butting in and creating so many fissures. I am worried this could get out of hand, and pretty soon, it becomes a North India Vs South India thing.
Lutyen bimbos, plus a very few women in Kerala; who again are not "Hindu devotees". So far the fight has not gone to the nevel of NI v/s SI, and most likely it may not. Because even the BJP & RSS, who first said women should be allowed entry has now taken a U turn. This is off course after seeing the Hindu protests in Kerala. How ever politiciasation of "faith related matters" has its own problems in a state like Kerala. It may harm the genuine demands of the Hindu devotees. Things may have gone ugly if the local Kerala people were lead to believe that it was the North Indian lobby (the petitioners, the S.C bench etc.) who tried to destroy the Hindu faith in Kerala. As of now it is the communist and main stream media's agenda which is getting exposed. Mainly because every one except them are now backing the devotee groups.
srikumar wrote:Actually, I do think SC can be 'blamed' for taking up this case when it did. With thousands of cases pending before the SC, it is very curious why they picked this one. I dont think they go by the date of filing.
There was a time when Hon.SC had actually denied an appeal of of a murderer (of 4 people) who was awarded death sentence by Kerala HC. Because they just could not find any new evidence to do a retrial of the case. Now, Hon.SC has become more of a sub-ordinate court where any one can file any case. My understanding was that courts like High Courts and Supreme Courts were to be "appellate courts" which only heard cases which came from the lower arms of the judiciary.

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Post by Nandu » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:52 am

The SC has power under the Constitution to pass such orders as it deems necessary to render complete justice. In that sense it can be the first and final court of jurisdiction. There is a view that it has been invoked in cases in recent times which undermines the judicial process in a hierarchical sense in which it judiciary is supposed to function. See link to an article on the above theme.
https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/ ... 474919.ece

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Post by chetak » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:32 am

There is a case being made out that the sabari mala case falls under the ambit of tribal laws and what was guaranteed to them when the union of India was formed was that their tribal laws would not be trifled with or even adjudicated upon.


Sabarimala issue: Tribals allege government trying to demolish centuries-old customs

Sabarimala issue: Tribals allege government trying to demolish centuries-old customs
Oct 17, 2018,

NILACKAL(KERALA): Tribals living in the hills around Sabarimala alleged that the government and the Travancore Devaswom Board were trying to demolish centuries-old customs by allowing entry of women in the 10-50 age group into the famous Sabarimala temple.

They claimed that restrictions imposed on women in the menstruating age group were part of a custom prevailing in tribal societies living in the forests in Kerala.

They also claimed several rights of the tribal communities over the Sabarimala temple and the places associated with the hill shrine were forcibly taken away from them by the authorities of the government and the Travancore Devaswom Board that manages the temple
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Post by Chandragupta » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:34 am

crams wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:21 pm
Guys, doesn't BJP have any it-vitty folks, or even some friend in Bollywood to be able to dig up some 'metoo' dirt on the Khan Honchos: Aaamir, Salma, Sharukh, and Saif Ali (guy who named his son Taimur after the Mughal barbarian)? Seeing their public brash behavior, I cannot believe they haven't done their share of groping. Moreover, the Saif dude bashed the crap out of some poor bloke in a bar like the thug that he is, and got away with it. Are these guys 'sacred cows' for the metoo Bimbos?

Reason I am bringing this up is that should one or more of these Lutyen heartthrobs be put on the dock, 'metoo' will die an instant death and the hounding of BJP will stop.

There is an interesting story of Saif Ali Khan being beaten within an inch of his life in the 90s in a nightclub called Fireball in Gurgaon (back then it was just highway) after he got too friendly with a local girl & her Jat brothers gave him some nawabi love.

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Post by fanne » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:47 am

My question was to CRAMS when he said that tradition of 10-50 yrs old women entering temple is women discrimination - Why is it so? I do not go to temple drunk (is that against drunkard), I do not go to temple in dress that I would wear in my bedroom (is that against some 'liberated' person type)...there are many cases when men would be not allowed into temple..similarly women are not allowed, what is discrimination here?

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Post by chetak » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:50 am

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Varanasi Shia burial ground judgement of SC given aginst Sunnis is pending for implementation for 40 years. Reason given was there would be riots if SC order was implemented. The SC accepted it & stayed its own order. If it can work for burial ground why not for Temple


Doshipura area of Varanasi under siege as Shias and Sunnis spar over two Sunni graves


Doshipura area of Varanasi under siege as Shias and Sunnis spar over two Sunni graves


Men of the Provincial Armed Constabulary (PAC) are conspicuous by their presence and the local police have been strengthened with armed reinforcements. Five companies of the PAC have been pressed into service here and a battalion of the Border Security Force (BSF) remains on the alert 6 km away. Some officials confided that there are at least 70 PAC and BSF companies waiting in reserve.

The massive bandobust has a very good reason. The Supreme Court has ordered that if the long-standing dispute between Shias and Sunnis over two Sunni graves in an overwhelmingly Shia area is not amicably solved by April 27, the graves will have to be shifted. The court on March 21 permitted Suleman Sait, MP and president of the All-India Muslim League, to try and bring about a settlement by then.

Many must be hoping he will succeed, for otherwise the consequences could be disastrous. "We stand by our decision to commit mass suicide or resist the move by all means. No Sunni Muslim will allow this to happen," stormed Sunni leader Irfanul Haq Ansari of Doshipura. Many Sunnis consider the court order an anti-Islamic action. "Nobody knows who will do what. Some will commit suicide and some will attack others," added another Sunni, Dr F. Kalam.

Doshipura's Shia-Sunni dispute began in the nineteenth century (India Today, January 15) over a plot of land donated by the Maharaja of Benares for common religious use. The first case involving a dispute between the two sects was recorded in 1878 and similar disputes continued through the years.

In October 1982 a Supreme Court-appointed committee reported that the Sunnis had vehemently opposed it but shifting the two graves seemed "quite feasible". It will not be until the graves are shifted as the court has finally ordered - or if an amicable agreement is reached by April 27 - that the matter will finally have been put to rest.

However, as the administration prepared to execute the court order, Anjum Qadar, president of the All-India Shia Conference, came out with the plea that the graves should not be removed as doing so would set a bad precedent.

Moreover, he said, neither of the two parties ever demanded shifting of the graves and it was the then commissioner who had created the problem. "There are known instances of graves having been removed, but not under compulsion," he says.

But 90-year-old Shia leader of Doshipura Iqbal Hussein accused Qadar of being a stooge of the Sunnis and said the demand for the removal of the graves was the main one. "Anjum gave us Rs 3,000 in 1981 to fight the court case. Now when the court has given its final verdict he has changed his stand, and without consulting the Shias he issued the statement saying no Shia wanted shifting of the graveyard," he added.




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Post by Supratik » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:20 pm

This is good news. Now promise to bring an ordinance if voted to power.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/sabarimal ... protesters

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Post by hanumadu » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:04 pm

MJ Akbar resigns...finally.

In other news, there has been one more allegation against painter Jatin Das, Nandita Das' father. I love how #MeToo so far has backfired on the liberals.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 262831.cms

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Post by chetak » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:20 pm

watch the video of rogue kerala cops wilfully damaging property.

No wonder the aam aadmi, when he gets a chance, sets fire to cop vans and police stations

No such action when bishops, padris, pastors, mullahs, beardos, raped nun and other women, and abused ladies.



What Republic TV and NDTV won't show you about the situation at #Nilakkal

https://twitter.com/PartyVillage017/sta ... 9408574466

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Post by chetak » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:43 pm

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This, is the humanitarian issue which gets Rajdeep and Saggy frothing.
#Rohingyas





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Post by chetak » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:06 pm

I agree with jaitley.

Many boundaries have been crossed and many red lines overrun by needless activism desperately masquerading as progressive outlook and the need to keep up with modern times. Our own culture and traditions have been trampled upon and made a mockery of, all in the safe knowledge that there will be no blowback.

At least, someone thought it fit to voice his displeasure against such biased rulings.


SC’s rulings on matters of faith selective, feels Arun Jaitley



SC’s rulings on matters of faith selective, feels Arun Jaitley
Oct 7, 2018,

HIGHLIGHTS
Arun Jaitley said, “If you want to take a progressive step. Articles 14 and 21 (of the Constitution) will apply against all religions."

The comments came in the backdrop of the government’s recent ordinance to criminalise triple talaq , and are seen to reflect BJP’s stand on the SC’s recent verdict in the Sabarimala case.

NEW DELHI: In the midst of protests in Kerala against the Supreme Court ruling striking down the ban on women of menstrual age from entering Sabarimala temple, senior BJP leader and Union minister Arun Jaitley on Saturday said courts must be uniform in looking at practices of all faiths.

“If you want to take a progressive step. Articles 14 and 21 (of the Constitution) will apply against all religions,” Jaitley said at the HT Leadership Summit here.

“It cannot happen that you select a practice and apply it because that will have social consequences. If you start stepping into the religious practices and customs and say Article 14 must be tested on personal law, then will it apply to polygamy? Will it apply to oral divorces? Will it apply to other religions where women are not allowed to enter religious places?” he asked. “If you are being progressive and bold then it must be uniformly so and that doesn’t seem to be happening,” he said.

The comments came in the backdrop of the government’s recent ordinance to criminalise triple talaq , and are seen to reflect BJP’s stand on the SC’s recent verdict in the Sabarimala case.

The minister’s comments came against the backdrop of the government’s recently coming up with an ordinance to criminalise triple talaq (instant divorce) as the bill hit a road block in Rajya Sabha in the face of opposition reservations, and are seen as reflecting BJP’s stand on the SC’s verdict in the Sabarimala case, overturning the tradition of not allowing women in the age group of 10-50 years from entering the shrine. Jaitley also expressed his disagreement with portions of SC’s recent judgments on gay sex (Section 377) and adultery.

In the case of adultery, he argued quashing the law was in order, but it was “very badly worded” and the court strayed far when when it said these are personal wrongs and not public wrongs and therefore outside the jurisdiction of criminal law. “Now will it cover bigamy and polygamy also? Will it cover cruelty? Will it cover dowry offences — if this was the case, the judgment would be wholly anti women,” he said. He said the judgment may change the Indian family system into a western family system where fragility of marriages may increase.

On the verdict decriminalising Section 377, he disagreed with it calling sexuality as part of free speech. “When you convert this into a fundamental right and say it is free speech then how do you restrain any form of sexual activity — homosexual or bisexual— in a school hostel, prison, army frontier,” Jaitley said.

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Post by crams » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:33 pm

On MJA's resignation, have to say that its Bimbo 'metoo' slaves 1, BJP 0. I think MJA should have stuck it out for a while longer and then quietly gone. Because as I said, 'metoo' slaves are after BJP/ModiJi, MJA is small fry in this. Note how all the Bimbos, in one voice, mock ModiJi for his beti bachao campaign, which in the heartland is well respected, but the Bimbos want to undermine ModiJi's efforts. Having said that, I would not minimize MJA's peccadilloes, actually they border on crude behavior. I mean opening the door in an Undy to some chic :-). Come on. OK, maybe if h was wearing one of those half-pant undies, 'draweru' as we Andhrites call it :-), maybe there was no sexual innuendo. Who knows.

Fanne, yes, on your question about women discrimination in Sabrimla, yes, I agree with you, every temple has norms that one adheres to. But there are also constitutional rights of no discrimination. On strict interpretation, one might concur with SC. But to me that is no great virtue. Let me give another example. If I say my individual right is violated bu having to stop at a stop sign or a traffic light, I will be laughed off right. And the reasons are obvious. Likewise, the SC could have interpreted the Sabrimila tradition in light of 100s of years of tradition, by not allowing 10 to 50 yr old women there was no criminal offense, and so many factors, and passed a considered judgement saying this is a matter between temple, devotees, and the Bimbo protagonists who are not even devotees. I don't know the genesis of this whole thing, but I can't believe SC has nothing better to with so many 1000s and 1000s of litigations pending, that they would chose this particular bogus litigation that has set Kerala on fire.

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Post by shravanp » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:16 pm

@crams:

More than half of BJP supporters were also demanding MJA's resignation. When RW can't take care of it's own ecosystem, what incentive does it leave for non-BJP guys to join BJP? MJA's resignation was disappointing.

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Post by KJo » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 pm

I get the sense that MJA was asked to resign by Modi, Sushma or someone high up in the party. It must have come down to whether to sacrifice a possibly innocent person for the party since elections are coming.

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Post by crams » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:15 pm

shravanp wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:16 pm
@crams:

More than half of BJP supporters were also demanding MJA's resignation. When RW can't take care of it's own ecosystem, what incentive does it leave for non-BJP guys to join BJP? MJA's resignation was disappointing.
I agree its disappointing, but I think on balance, its better MJA resigned IMO. I mean it was a crescendo of allegations, 20+ of them, it cannot be a conspiracy against him. Although, he could have brazened it out for some more time and then left. And there is no doubt that ModiJi and SushmaJi had a role.

Problem is that despite all the power at its hands, BJP is still weak when compared with the Congoon-left-Lutyen ecosystem. Lets not kid ourselves. I think had MJA brazened it out, it would have been a massive PR disaster with the f!king b@stard traitors we live with making this an international issue. And lets leave maacho rhetoric aside, there is no way a weak country like India show the middle finger, just recall how some Bimbo (we posted her pic here many times) attacked ModiJi in front of IMF chief who herself is a woman. Believe me, I wish India were as self confident as whites. Look how Trump brazened out those allegations of groping. And that too at the height of his presidential campaign. Those were something that would have sunk someone in India, but his supporters stood by him. In India, its simply not possible. Thats the reality.

Maybe a minor point, but note the eaccent of every Bimbo attacking MJA. They pronounce Priya Ramani in shudh western style: "Ramaaani" as opposed to the correct SDRE pronouncement without stretching the vowel a between m and n.

See the Sabrimala scrip play out just as the BIF priks ordered. You thrust a resolution like this p!ssing on people who have observed a tradition for 100s of years, and they are bound to react. And now you see the vile epithets thrown at them. "Is this their religion". "contempt of court", "misogyny", thugs, you name it. Its their latent hatred of Hindus in the open. Here again, BJP is on very weak wicket. No way they can brazen this out once the matter went to SC and that bogus resolution came out. Maybe BJP should have stepped in way earlier. They are simply no match for the BIF ecosystem's slimy tactics of using Indian Constitution to break India.

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Post by shravanp » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:48 pm

I think Sabrimala issue is a bit different. I m actually ok with SC shafting Hindus. Wherever Hindus are entering the state of slumber, this is but a natural course of action. If not SC, someone outsiders evangelists or gayhadis would have done something else to Kerala Hindus. No offense to Kerala Hindus, but with continuous rule of Congoons and Commies (interchangeably) have imposed a big psychological dhimmitude on them. Not easy to wear it off, of course unless its something like Sabrimala. Let Kerala Hindus fight it out. "dharmo rakshati rakshitah"

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Post by shravanp » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:49 pm

Good one by Annu Kapoor (on Tanushree Datta)


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Post by Sachin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:20 am

chetak wrote:At least, someone thought it fit to voice his displeasure against such biased rulings.
Which also means that the cental government (led by BJP) knows the issue. The next question would naturally be; what does it plan to do to stop such kind of one-sided verdicts?
crams wrote:See the Sabrimala scrip play out just as the BIF priks ordered. You thrust a resolution like this p!ssing on people who have observed a tradition for 100s of years, and they are bound to react. And now you see the vile epithets thrown at them. "Is this their religion". "contempt of court", "misogyny", thugs, you name it. Its their latent hatred of Hindus in the open
The main stream media, communists and some shady aetheist organisations tried to first get women to Sabari Mala yesterday. Unfortunately for them, that back fired. Today it was Kerala Police's turn to take a woman media crew to Sabari Mala. But that too back fired. Now what is happening is the slandering of Ayyappa devotees, Hindus and Hindu religion. All of them are heathens, and barbarians who cannot live in a "civilised world". This was exactly the mind-set of the British Officers, their padre and their news paper at the time of the "Sepoy Mutiny" of 1857. They protested when some thing close to their religious faith was targetted, the Brits (officers, padre & news papers) immediately started treating them as heathens and barbarians.
Here again, BJP is on very weak wicket.
BJP's problem is that they are slow like a tortoise. When this bogus verdict came out, BJP & RSS in Kerala had actually welcomed it. That sealed their fate. It was only when genuine Hindu devotees started their protest, BJP & RSS got back their "lost love of Hinduism". Now I dont have much trust on them to solve the issue, as they may even want to keep the issue burning hoping that it would fetch them some votes. The Congress in Kerala, actually played a more important role here. Their central leadership allowed them to "place forward the sentiments of the people". What has the central leadership of BJP done?
shravanp wrote: Not easy to wear it off, of course unless its something like Sabrimala. Let Kerala Hindus fight it out. "dharmo rakshati rakshitah"
Totally agree with you. If Sabari Mala can become the Rama Janma Bhoomi of Kerala, it is even better. The Hindus in Kerala were totally confused lot; split on caste and political lines. If they wish to remain like that not one Sabari Mala, every Hindu temple in Kerala would get targetted the same way. In Sabari Mala, women can be moved in by hook or crook. The main stream media, evangelists and a section of Kerala Police would ensure that. But that would be a permenant scar on the Hindus in Kerala.

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