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Post by Muns » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:49 pm

Reflections of a Indian NRI on 70th Republic Day ;

https://www.india-aware.com/featured/wi ... -by-heart/
For every sporadic concern of mob related violence related to cattle smuggling and people getting caught, they are tens more deaths inflicted by cattle smugglers on those trying to protect the illegal transport of cows. However, these valiant souls never get a mention for the life they have lost in the gruesome violence that involves cattle smuggling.

Every President of India has come on TV the night before, speaking of tolerance and inclusiveness. However, it seems curious to me that generations of refugees over thousands of years have always come to India seeking a safer place. The reason why is it so because of Hindus have great tolerance and their belief in the idea of “Vasudeva Kutumbakam”, the world is one family.

The list of refugees is exhaustive. From ancient history of Parsis, Jews and Syrian Christians to more recent of Bahai, Ahmadiyya, Afghans and Burmese. Indeed, the current UNHCR data shows that over 200,000 refugees are currently making a home and thriving along with the Indian economic surge. Over 1 million Nepalese have made India their home because of better opportunities!

What is however worrying is the daily media news regarding intolerance. It feels overstretched and falsified purely by smaller political parties for their own corrupt gains and for vote bank politics.

The greatest worry for us that can stare in from outside is a return to such crony corruption via decades held multiparty systems without any real leadership. Dynasty and nepotism of leaders offering unrealistic and impossible freebies including houses to win elections are India’s greatest danger in the months ahead.

India’s future lies in its technological progress and its entrepreneurship for the youth of India to come up with new ideas to not only sustain themselves but to power India’s technological revolution into the next decade. This however will never come about, if crony politicians resort to handouts to get votes.
Guys an article I wrote yesterday with an excerpt as above really related to 70th Republic day. Published on our news website. Would really appreciate any comments or suggestions. Again, we are really looking to ramp up in the propaganda department against the Thugbandhan and especially the Dynasty. If you have anything to contribute to the opinion section, please email me at

india.aware1@gmail.com

We are producing a lot of videos already trying to negate some of the propaganda on the YouTube channel. This will also ramp up over the next two months.
Any suggestions or critique that we should be addressing, we will definitely take it up. It has been challenging but rewarding I feel to run. All writers, editors, videographers are all in India and working with the same vision on a minuscule budget.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:55 am

KL Dubey wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:46 pm
OK guys...the "Firstpost National Trust Survey" is out:

https://www.firstpost.com/india/firstpo ... 60411.html

1) NaMo is desired by 53% of the electorate as the PM, with Pappu a distant second at 27% (you and I know who these 27% are: greens, crossers, and the rest mainly the morons who still admire anyone with white skin).

2) 58% of the electorate plans to vote for the NDA. If that comes to pass, it would be a landslide victory (probably 400+ seats). In 2014 NDA won 335 seats with 40% of the vote.

3) This survey gives statewide statistics. NaMo and the NDA show a huge advantage in most of India including key states like UP (67%), MH (60%), BH (72%), MP (70%), RJ (63%), GJ (78%). In the northeast, the key state AS shows 70% going for NDA.

4) Also included is a detailed report on the methodology. This is an excellent work, unlike the shady "pollsters" and news channels who put out some numbers that smell like the pollster's wazoo.
The caveat is 53% won't vote for BJP. Caste and candidate will influence the vote. What was MMS approval before 2014?

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Post by Primus » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:43 am

Muns wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:49 pm
.............
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Muns Ji, incredible work you and your team is doing.

I was just wondering, is there any way others here can help? Perhaps we can make a subscription or a donation to the website. All of us need to do our bit to support your effort, if only in a monetary way. Just like I urge everyone to subscribe/donate to Swarajya mag, Rajiv Malhotra, Ekal Vidyalaya, Cybersipahi among others.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by KL Dubey » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:55 am

hanumadu wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:55 am
The caveat is 53% won't vote for BJP. Caste and candidate will influence the vote. What was MMS approval before 2014?
Look over the report.

Actually the survey report asks that question on pp. 30-31...whether the persons who said they want NDA will still vote the same if the candidate is not BJP or not from their caste or religion. About 80% of them claimed they would. And the result is the same for MGB (pp. 34-35)...so there is no difference either way.

There will obviously be a margin of error, but overall the survey says the support for NaMo is pretty solid...and this is 4 months before the election.

I don't know why you are asking about MMS approval rating....in Jan 2014 it was probably well below 40%, but he was not a candidate for 2014 at all so it is irrelevant.

I can't find an opinion poll from 2014 that asks the same question as the Firstpost survey, i.e. "NDA or United Opposition ?" Obviously the reason is there was no United Opposition or MGB in 2014. However, there are polls from Jan 2014 that said 47% people want NaMo as PM and 15% Pappu. And the same poll said NDA would get 31% vote and UPA 23%. The actual number for NDA was 40% or so.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by KL Dubey » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:09 am

One way to simplify these election predictions and avoid unnecessary discussions is indeed what NaMo suggests: hold LS and VS elections at the same time.

The second and more fundamental way is to only allow National parties to contest Lok Sabha elections..with National parties as already defined by the election commission.

It doesn't make sense to allow state-level parties to "double-dip" and contest national elections. This allows chhota-mota parties with very little/zero national support to become "kingmakers" after the election result and play coalition politics holding the entire country to ransom. This is a dumb idea and simply not done. State parties already have representation in the Rajya Sabha..."assembly of states"....that's what it is for.

There can be still alliances (i.e. vote bank transfer/endorsement) with state parties during LS elections, but they won't put up any candidates in the LS elections. They can still have representation in the Cabinet through Rajya Sabha MPs.

This way, even if some state party "withdraws support" to a sitting goremint, it will not have any effect till the next LS election.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:28 am

All the surveys and polls mean zilch otherwise pollsters would not have been so far off the mark in recent times.
Indians probably by nature don't like to disclose their real choice to outsiders.
NM maybe liked by 100% of the people but there is still no guarantee of him returning back to power. Unless there is a wave, a lot would depend upon alliances, local party in power, candidates and caste arithmetic.
Anyway between Now and GE, I am expecting next round of outrage by usual suspects including caste based riots.

This British system of election is inherently flawed for India as it lets too many become stake holders in running the central govt.
One trick pony parties like TMC,DMK,JD, AD,SP etc. start dictating national policies but with local voter sensibility in mind.
Maybe a Presidential form of Govt with the PM not dependent upon the parliament vote for day-to-day running of the govt would give more flexibility to the PM.
So there can be 2 tier elections:
1. For the PM directly
2. Another for the law makers

Influence of local parties would get negated by Point#1 and PM becoming Supreme Leader would be kept in check by Point#2.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:41 am

Muns wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:38 pm
http://indiafacts.org/gandhi-as-he-real ... -loyalist/

Gandhi As He Really Was: The Empire Loyalist

The layperson should learn an important lesson here: having an elite western university accreditation is the perfect smokescreen to continue the Gandhi myth. Today’s younger generation may not realise that all through modern India’s independent period including as recently as the mid-90s, public criticism of Gandhi carried big risks.
Quite a long article but going through it I did feel already quite a lot of misplaced facts. While it seems that he has read quite a lot of books on Gandhi to formulate those facts, it might be worthwhile to know that Gandhi wrote his own autobiography,

The story of my experiments with truth.

A large proportion of the book is really dedicated to the time that he was in South Africa with a sliver of the time that he spent in India upon coming back to South Africa. One can really see into his mind of what he was thinking of the time.
While it has been a long time since I read the book a couple of thoughts come to mind upon reading the article above.
For whatever it's worth of course.

1) For all Gandhi's 'love of Christianity' and various attempts by missionaries to convert him, he was staunchly HIndu. He carried a Gita wherever he traveled and read from it regularly. When he did not receive formal teaching, I do feel that his understanding of Ahimsa and Karma yoga were some of the foundations throughout which he lived his life. He regularly quoted Krishna.

2) In my mind trying to fight the British was a completely lost cause.Bose tried and failed. Most of the later wars that we fought against the Muslims and lost was simply for the fact I feel of poor artillery on our part. The Islamists and later British had massive cannons, to some extent to which the even filled with coins and rubble to discharge upon larger Hindu Armies. This of course changed later for when we managed to acquire some of these artillery ourselves. Trying to take on the British militarily and that time would've been foolhardy. Gandhi's nonviolent idea succeeded and throughout the book he states that this has come from his concept of Ahimsa.

3) Not sure what he was really talking about with Gandhi being racist. This is a common propagated rant. In his own words he was there during the Zulu rebellion in South Africa and set up the medical camps core to care and treat injured Zulus.

Honestly trying to paint Gandhi as anti-Hindu and Christian lover while also being racist, will get us really bogged down with people that count. It's a complete nonstarter. I understand many people feel that it is because of him that the country was divided. That's a much greater talk and who knows it may have been better in the long term. I would suggest that people read his own words to understand his thinking.

sirji,

what makes gandhi's autobiography sacrosanct that we have to take it as the gospel??

gandhi knew very well how to market himself and he was a political to the core. Would he not know how to tailor his own autobiography to suit the dominant narative??

Like the africans say, "you gave us mohandas karamchand gandhi and we gave you the mahatma" and this is an undeniable fact, however bitter it may seem today.

That he survived and flourished is a testament to his virtuosity as a sly, cunning politician, straddling, as he did, the british govt and the Indian people, to constantly benefit the brits to the detriment of the natives.

IMHO, gandhi was easily worth, at the very least, 25 -30 battalions to the brits in India, at very little cost to themselves.

why did he bring in the unelected JLN to become the PM?? why was he so enamoured of JLN?? In hindsight, the rightfully and legitmately elected SP would have done a much better job of it instead of a moron like JLN who made a right royal dog's breakfast of the immediate post Independence scenario??

what were gandhi's compulsions other than making sure that the myth surrounding him (gandhi) continued to be perpetuated??

How come the "mahatma" never got the nobel??

ever wonder what such a citation would read??, the lies that would have to be told to justify it?? and the public uproar that would inevitably accompany such a citation??

How come no bharat ratna either??, especially, when sundry lame duck losers and two bit cricketers have been given the same??

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Post by chetak » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:25 am

I was sitting on this since the day I saw it and was reluctant to post it.


Why Ghanaians are removing Gandhi statues
RAMA LAKSHMI 16 December, 2018


Best way to commemorate Gandhi in his 150th-year would be to critically examine him — not just garland and worship him.

As Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government prepares to celebrate Mahatma Gandhi’s 150th birth anniversary in 2019, students and professors of the prestigious University of Ghana removed the freedom fighter’s statue from the campus in the middle of the night this week.

They considered Gandhi racist and said that his statements about Black people when he lived in South Africa run counter to their hard-fought battle for self-respect and against colonialism and discrimination.

Gandhi often described Black Africans as “savage” and “raw”, and wrote that “the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race”.

Many of these remarks were not exactly unknown – after all Gandhi’s books, journals and letters have been available in the archives for so long. He is one of the most well-documented leaders of the 20th century.

So why is it all resurfacing now? A combination of new research, scholarship and the internet.

Also read: For much of his political career, Narendra Modi has been trained to dislike Mahatma Gandhi

For too long, the global ‘peace’ icon’s controversial remarks about Black Africans were hidden by many scholars. A racist Gandhi was just too inconvenient in the myth-making project. And Gandhi himself appears to have contributed to this project.

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Gandhi was not alone. Almost all South Asian people believe they are "infinitely superior" to black Africans and use the racist pejorative negro, habsi, kallu, kailla to describe them.

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In a 2013 article in The Guardian, Patrick French writes about how even Ramachandra Guha’s book Gandhi Before India “seems to have excluded a great deal”.

“It largely follows the authorised, conservative version of Gandhi: When there is a doubt, he is given its benefit.”

For decades, the popular cliche in South Africa went something like this: “India gave us a Mohandas, we gave them a Mahatma”.

But people like historian Runoko Rashidi and author G.B. Singh (Gandhi Behind the Mask of Divinity) have been highlighting Gandhi’s racism in recent years.

In 2015, two South African scholars — Ashwin Desai and Goolam Vahed, professors at the University of Johannesburg and the University of KwaZulu Natal – removed some of the Gandhi-gloss through their book. They conducted a thorough scrutiny of Gandhi’s life in South Africa – based on his own early writings and government archives — and discovered that the leader had indulged in some kind of sanitising of his past in his later autobiography. They published all these details in their book The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire.



Also read: Students in Canada cannot fix racism by removing Mahatma Gandhi’s statue

Indians had been taught that Gandhi became a Mahatma in India, but the roots of his ‘sainthood’ lay in his years in South Africa between 1893 and 1914. The incident of being thrown out of a train in Pietermaritzburg for being non-White is taught in Indian schools as an iconic and transformative moment when Gandhi rose up against injustice. It is there in textbooks, museums and oral histories. However, what is absent from this version is that Gandhi did not wish to be seated along with the Black Africans, as recent scholarship has revealed. That is why he protested the seating.

In fact, the very basis of his struggle for the rights of Indians living in South Africa was the way he positioned Indians above Black people.

During his fight against the system of separate Whites and Blacks’ entrances to the Durban post office, Gandhi’s main objection was that Indians were “classed with the natives of South Africa”. He demanded a third entrance for Indians. He wrote in an 1895 petition that placing Indians alongside Blacks in public space would lead to the former being “degraded”. He based this on his conviction that Indians and the Whites came from the common Indo-Aryan stock.

Later in 1904, Gandhi wrote to the Johannesburg municipal authorities that it was “very unfair” to make the Indians live close to Black people because “it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen”.

In India, Gandhi’s conservative Hindu views have been challenged by Babasaheb Ambedkar and several generations of Dalit and anti-caste scholars. Even as he wrote against untouchability, he never really questioned Hindu religion, whose dominant rituals supported and justified the caste system.

Also read: This leader forced Mahatma Gandhi to change his views on caste

But all this while his racist views remained largely eclipsed from mainstream historiography. This was one of the reasons why Gandhi’s legacy successfully became a central part of India’s soft power outreach globally. The power of his politics and ideas abroad is not unlike the sway that yoga enjoys among foreigners, especially in the West.

Thanks to the interconnected world of ideas and ideology that we inhabit, it is no longer possible to hide the unseemly aspects of revered historical figures. It will find a way to float up.

Many protestors in South Africa believe that unless the Gandhi statue is removed, the world will just not listen to the voices of Africans and others.

In December 2017, a professor of African studies at the University of Ghana, wrote a letter asking for a timeline for the removal of the Gandhi statue from the campus. The university, in turn, wrote to the country’s foreign affairs department, which said it will relocate it. The statue in Ghana had been inaugurated by former president Pranab Mukherjee two years ago – a reason why Ghana’s government offered to relocate the statue instead of letting the campaigners bring it down.

It is not just Ghana, but a similar campaign is underway in Malawi as well where communities are trying to stop the erection of a Gandhi statue in Blantyre.

From racist to saint is a rather incredible trajectory. Did Gandhi evolve over time? Or was he, like all mortals, a bundle of contradictions? Or was he just a very smart strategist who didn’t always believe that means justify the end?

Whatever be the truth, the best way to commemorate Gandhi in his 150th year will be to critically examine him — not just garland and worship him.

This article has been updated to reflect changes.

Gandhi Before India by Ramachandra Guha – review


Malawi Activists up against mahatma ghandi statue in-Blantyre


Guha reiterated that he included these explorations of Gandhi’s sexuality in his book because he “didn’t want to suppress” any of the complex facets of the Mahatma’s personality.

“The reader can make his own judgement,” Guha added.


Mahatma Gandhi’s little-known love affair with a married, progressive woman in Lahore

Truly enchanted
Gandhi was “utterly charmed” by Sarala Devi. She was the daughter of Rabindranath Tagore’s sister, and was very accomplished. She was a poet; she sang at nationalist gatherings, and she sang beautifully. Gandhi had heard her singing.

So when he went to Lahore in 1919 — her husband was in jail at the time — and they met, they got on famously. This was unusual at the time, but as Guha says, “she had great charisma, and was very independent-minded”.



Sarala Devi married a widower quite late in life, which was an unusual act in itself.

“He was charmed, besotted…they got along famously. They were truly enchanted by each other,” Guha says about the Mahatma and Sarala Devi. “But there was no sexual consummation.”

Sarala Devi and Gandhi exchanged letters after he returned to Gujarat. In one letter, she wrote to him, asking why he hadn’t written. “There’s only the bathroom to receive my sobs,” she said.

Guha pointed out that “this happens in many marriages, after 15-20 years, (although) it happened less then…”

He went on to add that as a biographer of Gandhi, he wanted to pen down all the aspects of his personality, warts and all. He admitted that previous biographers hadn’t talked about Sarala Devi Chaudhurani in the same breath as the Mahatma.

Finally, C. Rajagopalachari told Gandhi to call it off, which he did. “He had to choose between furthering this romantic attachment or furthering the freedom struggle,” Guha said.

Asked what Kasturba Gandhi had to say, Guha admitted that nobody really knew.

“It was a moment of great intense passion. It was a moment of crisis in the marriage too. It was a very human story,” Guha added.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:33 am

crams wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:55 pm
I like that BJP minister who spoke the truth, all truth, and nothing but the truth. He said Priyanka chic has good looks (European and fair skinned I might add thats the main attraction) that appeals to a lot of eunuchs in India so much so, to vote for her, but she doesn't have any governance experience.

Predictably, you have the westernized femi Nazi Bimbos jumped all over this guy for 'sexism', and BJP instead of sticking with this guy, put out that lovely but soft spoken Shaina NC begging for forgiveness. This is where I feel BJP loses the plot. I mean it is f!king true beyond a shadow of a doubt that Congoons put this Priyanka bimbo for her European looks and dynastyic roots lto attract the votes of colonized dim wits, but if BJP points that out, its sexist, and these so called "Hindu nationalists" tuck their tails and run for cover.

In fact, what is really sexist is to put a woman out there with no qualifications whatsoever, but just for her European looks to attract votes. Expecting westernized Lutyen femi Nazi Bimbos to exhibit such an IQ level and point this out is of course too much.

Look at Pappu, how he attacks RSS no holes barred.
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Lesson from Hindu scriptures.

1. Ravana sent his sister Shoorpanakha to defeat Ram

2. Kamsa sent his sister Pootani to kill Krishna

3. Hiranyakashipu sent his sister Holika to kill Pralhad

And we all know what happenened in the end...
I am just quoting Hindu scriptures,

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Post by chetak » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:11 pm

Muns wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:38 pm
http://indiafacts.org/gandhi-as-he-real ... -loyalist/

Gandhi As He Really Was: The Empire Loyalist

The layperson should learn an important lesson here: having an elite western university accreditation is the perfect smokescreen to continue the Gandhi myth. Today’s younger generation may not realise that all through modern India’s independent period including as recently as the mid-90s, public criticism of Gandhi carried big risks.
Quite a long article but going through it I did feel already quite a lot of misplaced facts. While it seems that he has read quite a lot of books on Gandhi to formulate those facts, it might be worthwhile to know that Gandhi wrote his own autobiography,

The story of my experiments with truth.

A large proportion of the book is really dedicated to the time that he was in South Africa with a sliver of the time that he spent in India upon coming back to South Africa. One can really see into his mind of what he was thinking of the time.
While it has been a long time since I read the book a couple of thoughts come to mind upon reading the article above.
For whatever it's worth of course.

1) For all Gandhi's 'love of Christianity' and various attempts by missionaries to convert him, he was staunchly HIndu. He carried a Gita wherever he traveled and read from it regularly. When he did not receive formal teaching, I do feel that his understanding of Ahimsa and Karma yoga were some of the foundations throughout which he lived his life. He regularly quoted Krishna.

2) In my mind trying to fight the British was a completely lost cause.Bose tried and failed. Most of the later wars that we fought against the Muslims and lost was simply for the fact I feel of poor artillery on our part. The Islamists and later British had massive cannons, to some extent to which the even filled with coins and rubble to discharge upon larger Hindu Armies. This of course changed later for when we managed to acquire some of these artillery ourselves. Trying to take on the British militarily and that time would've been foolhardy. Gandhi's nonviolent idea succeeded and throughout the book he states that this has come from his concept of Ahimsa.

3) Not sure what he was really talking about with Gandhi being racist. This is a common propagated rant. In his own words he was there during the Zulu rebellion in South Africa and set up the medical camps core to care and treat injured Zulus.

Honestly trying to paint Gandhi as anti-Hindu and Christian lover while also being racist, will get us really bogged down with people that count. It's a complete nonstarter. I understand many people feel that it is because of him that the country was divided. That's a much greater talk and who knows it may have been better in the long term. I would suggest that people read his own words to understand his thinking.
Muns ji,

We in India are very keen to make idols of mere mortals. It is a peculiar Hindu failing, that has been cleverly exploited by the commies, the ropers and the rolers who use it to cow us down as a civilization, all the while, when in reality they are slyly and relentlessly pushing their own agendas.

you may like read this book before coming to final conclusions on the "mahatma".


The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire


In the pantheon of freedom fighters, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi has pride of place. His fame and influence extend far beyond India and are nowhere more significant than in South Africa. "India gave us a Mohandas, we gave them a Mahatma," goes a popular South African refrain. Contemporary South African leaders, including Mandela, have consistently lauded him as being part of the epic battle to defeat the racist white regime.

The South African Gandhi focuses on Gandhi's first leadership experiences and the complicated man they reveal—a man who actually supported the British Empire. Ashwin Desai and Goolam Vahed unveil a man who, throughout his stay on African soil, stayed true to Empire while showing a disdain for Africans. For Gandhi, whites and Indians were bonded by an Aryan bloodline that had no place for the African. Gandhi's racism was matched by his class prejudice towards the Indian indentured. He persistently claimed that they were ignorant and needed his leadership, and he wrote their resistances and compromises in surviving a brutal labor regime out of history. The South African Gandhi writes the indentured and working class back into history.

The authors show that Gandhi never missed an opportunity to show his loyalty to Empire, with a particular penchant for war as a means to do so. He served as an Empire stretcher-bearer in the Boer War while the British occupied South Africa, he demanded guns in the aftermath of the Bhambatha Rebellion, and he toured the villages of India during the First World War as recruiter for the Imperial army. This meticulously researched book punctures the dominant narrative of Gandhi and uncovers an ambiguous figure whose time on African soil was marked by a desire to seek the integration of Indians, minus many basic rights, into the white body politic while simultaneously excluding Africans from his moral compass and political ideals

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Post by srikumar » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:35 pm

I agree with poster Gus mian that entry of Priyanka Gandhi at the last minute (3 months away from the election) smacks of some degree of desperation/lack of options. Until now, it was all Rajkumar Rahul for the past 2 years.

And no, I've not seen any proof that Priyanka has any of the oratory and mental capacity of her grandmother that they are trying to make her out to be. And she has campaigned in the past (against NaMo and Smriti Irani in UP). She may be only somewhat better than Rajkumar Rahul, but that's pretty poor/low standard to beat.

I personally know atleast fifty Indians would make a better a far better Prime Minister than Rajkumarji. And there are probably tens of thousands of Unknown Indians would make a better PM than him.

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Post by crams » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:08 pm

Just when you thought Congoons cannot go any lower, now apparently, some Congoons want Bollywood Bimbet Kareena Kapoor, and Salman Khan honcho to campaign in MP :-)

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/cong ... 190127.htm

Well, one doesn't need any polls, but just a cursory understanding of India's mentally colonized, casteist populace will tell you that the half Italian dynastic princess will garner several million votes just by who she is.

I hope BJP goes on the attack like this guy Kailash Vijayvargiya and other rustic BJP grass roots workers before DDM makes her out to be larger than life. Just a cursory reading of dynastic sycophants on UndY, BS etc show you whats in the works. Burka bibi already declared her loyalty to the dynasty in the WP rag. So yes, there is the danger that attacking Priyanka princess directly by top BJP leaders will be chastised as "Hindu nationalist xenophobia in globalized world", so the attack dogs must be the BJP/RSS karyakarthas, not top echelons. But the princess must be discredited quickly.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:46 pm

srikumar wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:35 pm
I agree with poster Gus mian that entry of Priyanka Gandhi at the last minute (3 months away from the election) smacks of some degree of desperation/lack of options. Until now, it was all Rajkumar Rahul for the past 2 years.

And no, I've not seen any proof that Priyanka has any of the oratory and mental capacity of her grandmother that they are trying to make her out to be. And she has campaigned in the past (against NaMo and Smriti Irani in UP). She may be only somewhat better than Rajkumar Rahul, but that's pretty poor/low standard to beat.

I personally know atleast fifty Indians would make a better a far better Prime Minister than Rajkumarji. And there are probably tens of thousands of Unknown Indians would make a better PM than him.
she has been involved, behind the scenes, in almost every election in the past several years and a fat lot of good it has done the congis.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:36 pm

Whats up with Nitin Gadkari? While Pappu freidnly media and thugbandhan are making too much of his statements, claiming they are directed against BJP, but I do feel he is positioning himself as an alternative to ModiJi. All that is fine, but I hope he doesn't end up like other bloviating sore losers like Arun Shourie, Shot Gun, and Yashwant Sinha. If I were ModiJi, I would have a word with GadkariJi and request him to maintain some party discipline because confusion at the top leadership level is bound to have its deleterious effects at the grass roots Karyakartha level.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Muns » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:00 pm

Chetakji,

I'll try to address multiple posts that you have placed. Of course I'm not really an authoritative on Gandhi but I can tell you how I felt upon reading his book especially during his formative years in South Africa. Couple of points that come to mind when scanning your posts.

1) The story of my experiments with truth is exactly that. His early on experiments in trying to delve and deal with the concept of nonviolent resistance movements in South Africa. The only thing that he had was his knowledge of British law to use against them. Throughout his whole time in London as well as South Africa he was frequently cornered by missionaries with their agenda to convert them. Yet throughout the book, I got the feeling that he was a true, Karma Yogi in using his work as service to God.
The amount that he achieved at that time through the book is quite astounding. Creating the Indian opinion as well as multiple Ashrams where he could initiate his principles of nonviolence and equality in the ashram. He bears his soul open in the book including his struggle with some of these ideas as well as celibacy and his desire to remain the much audio as much as possible. Many times he failed.
I find it hard to believe that he created this book in some kind of disinformation campaign that he had set up for himself.

Who knows what kind of interactions see had at that time or what kind of relationships (ie Nehru) needed to take up for what he felt was the way to get things done.

Again it has been a few years since I read the book, and unfortunately if it was more recent I could give you many more examples.

2) Why are Africans tearing down Gandhi statues all over? A few words from personal experience here. I grew up in Africa especially Southern Africa and for the longest time I can tell you that many Africans themselves do not take too friendly towards Indians. Hard-working and well-established to have set up multiple companies employing Africans, has set up a festering feeling among decades that many Africans feel that this should've been there right themselves.
Things are changing in many African countries with Policies of affirmative action that loans to Africans now excluding even Indians who are citizens of those countries. I myself had to leave because of no future prospects again because of my race.
Africans themselves after systematically targeting whites have now turned their eyes towards Indians. In my personal opinion I do not feel that any Africans tearing down Gandhi statue have something directly against Gandhi but more towards Indians who are successful in those countries.

I have already mentioned of the joy that he felt in treating wounded Zulus in the Zulu rebellion. Already a defeated people at that time, he writes that his heart went out to them because all the justness of their cause.

Is an article I wrote a little while ago about my experience in Botswana at that time ;

Indian Blood Rain in Botswana

https://www.india-aware.com/diaspora/af ... -botswana/

It's a similar situation in many African countries.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Muns » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:17 pm

Primus wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:43 am
Muns wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:49 pm
.............
www.youtube.com/c/indiaaware

www.india-aware.com
Muns Ji, incredible work you and your team is doing.

I was just wondering, is there any way others here can help? Perhaps we can make a subscription or a donation to the website. All of us need to do our bit to support your effort, if only in a monetary way. Just like I urge everyone to subscribe/donate to Swarajya mag, Rajiv Malhotra, Ekal Vidyalaya, Cybersipahi among others.
My Pranams to you Primusji, Thank you for your uplifting words. Let me tell you little more. I started off with the idea approximately two years ago in anticipation for the elections. Coming from a health background myself, it was purely because I was so frustrated with all of the propaganda and disinformation that we see on a daily basis.

Over the last two years India Aware has slowly made a name for itself in Delhi, I do believe. Over the last two years now we finally have core team that I can trust to get the job done. I myself have worked with my right hand videographer to produce over 60 of these YouTube videos. Some of them like the anti-Pakistan India and Afghan friendship have done quite well. My other focus has been on Indo Nepali relations as well as furthering the growth of Hindutva movement in Nepal as well.

It's my firm belief that over the last two years we've grown from strength to strength and made a name so much so that many of our videos run comments from Congoons, crying fake propaganda. We have two popular Facebook groups with close to eight lakh members...From which we dish out daily pro Modi news.

The team themselves are writers, an editors, cartoonist, videographers, social media and IT personnel. Many of them have other jobs of course and they have all taken to dedicating a large proportion of their free time to fight against the propaganda.

I do believe we are primed over the next two months, to regularly churn out a lot more videos and articles especially relating public opinions against the Dynasty, Mamta and the Thugbandhan.

Have completely funded this of my own accord. Donations would be invaluable towards supporting the Make in India idea and keeping their jobs.

Some of for upcoming videos ;

A return Pakistani Hindus on becoming citizens.
Dealing with love jihad especially in Bengal.
Cattle smuggling and the death of multiple serving government agents and bystanders.

You can also take a look at the channel for all of the videos that we have done already so far.

I will Talk to my IT person about maybe setting up a PayPal subscribe button and page over the next few days for those who feel that we are worthy of supporting. If there are any other websites people favor, please let me know.
The team themselves cry to me on a daily basis about the radical changes that they see happening and are enthused to combat it. We do need your support, if not monetary then spreading the word regarding some of the videos that we are producing. Have already talked to editor to go all guns blazing.

As always I can be reached either here which I will keep checking regularly or email india.aware1(at)gmail.com

Thank YOU!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Primus » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:08 pm

^ Muns Ji, please check your email. I highly recommend setting up a Paypal button on your website for subscription/donation.

So many of us are just armchair warriors who for various reasons cannot get involved directly and yet are very keen to do what we can for the cause of Dharma.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Muns » Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:00 am

Primus wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:08 pm
^ Muns Ji, please check your email. I highly recommend setting up a Paypal button on your website for subscription/donation.

So many of us are just armchair warriors who for various reasons cannot get involved directly and yet are very keen to do what we can for the cause of Dharma.
Got your mail and replied. Already started work on it and hopefully something should be up in the next 1 to 2 days. Thank you again.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Schmidt » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:21 am

The arrogance of the Congoons is simply breathtaking :

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... way/353877

To have the gall to wave your fingers at the government and CBI speaks volumes of their temerity

In direct contrast , it also highlights the pusillanimity of the BJP government that has shied away from taking strong action against these mofos

In the past 2 weeks 4 BJP / RSS workers have been murdered in MP , just after the INC won the elections

Where is the outrage - even more , shouldn't Modi have spoken about it and ordered a CBI / Central inquiry into it

Are they waiting for even more workers to be killed before coming up with some wishywashy statement that no one cares about ?

So many BJP / RSS / Hindu outfit workers are getting killed in TN / Kerala / Karnataka / West Bengal , now even in MP and Assam

I think at this rate the life expectancy of BJP workers is going to reduce drastically

And all this when we have a so called strongman heading the government

Just imagine the situation if these bloke lose the next elections

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by JohnTitor » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:48 am

Schmidt wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:21 am
In direct contrast , it also highlights the pusillanimity of the BJP government that has shied away from taking strong action against these mofos

In the past 2 weeks 4 BJP / RSS workers have been murdered in MP , just after the INC won the elections

Where is the outrage - even more , shouldn't Modi have spoken about it and ordered a CBI / Central inquiry into it

Are they waiting for even more workers to be killed before coming up with some wishywashy statement that no one cares about ?

So many BJP / RSS / Hindu outfit workers are getting killed in TN / Kerala / Karnataka / West Bengal , now even in MP and Assam

I think at this rate the life expectancy of BJP workers is going to reduce drastically

And all this when we have a so called strongman heading the government

Just imagine the situation if these bloke lose the next elections
In a twisted sick sort of way, BJP/Hindus deserve it.

This is literally natural selection at work. If you cannot stand up for yourself, then you can't complain.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:00 am

srikumar wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:35 pm
And no, I've not seen any proof that Priyanka has any of the oratory and mental capacity of her grandmother that they are trying to make her out to be. And she has campaigned in the past (against NaMo and Smriti Irani in UP). She may be only somewhat better than Rajkumar Rahul, but that's pretty poor/low standard to beat.
Apple doesn't fall far away from the tree. Going by the oratory skills of the family, we know how "great" she would be.
Rajiv could put even a dead man to sleep with his style while IG was pedestrian. Watching SG is like watching those Brit actors in Hindi movies and less said about RaGa, better it is But if She is even 50% like her mother, She will control Congress and other parties like a kid controls a RC toy.
I think the plan was always to bring 'Sistah' in and it was just a matter of time. She will definitely add few more votes to congress kitty due to novelty factor but how much that will help congress is yet to be seen. No doubt she will attract crowd to her rallies but then she will also reveal herself very quickly and open herself for attack by other parties.

In my opinion, She is little late in joining the family business. Its another story that no one ever believed that she is/was a non-political person to start with. She was always identified as someone just a step away from taking the plunge.

It helps congress to have 2 star performers roaming around the country during the elections whereas all other parties have just one main Charismatic leader including BJP. So that way it would be helpful for Congress.

Another factor that everyone fails to point out is, How much Mayawati or Mamta would feel threatened by this new entrant.

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Post by chetak » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:17 am

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Very very happy to see archeologist Shri K K Mohammed get the Padmashri. He was instrumental in reconstructing the Bhojpur temple as well as reviving the Bateshwar group of temples near Morena, MP, by convincing dacoit Nirbhay Gujjar to save the temples.

8:26 AM - 25 Jan 2019



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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Yagnasri » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:25 am

NTR's grandson and Purandhareswari's son has joined Jagan's YSRC party. With this the Kamma batch of BJP will jump to Jagan. This was expected. BJP is not going to be any force in AP during 2019 elections and moneybags who jumped into BJP immediately after division will now jump to YSRC or to TDP (which is unlikely)

The hate campaign on BJP was in full swing in Telugu lands for almost two years and most of it was created and managed by CBN. Unfortunately BJP woke up late to do anything for 2019.

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Post by suryag » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:29 am

Muns ji - please count me in on the funding part.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:35 am

Yagnasri wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:25 am
NTR's grandson and Purandhareswari's son has joined Jagan's YSRC party. With this the Kamma batch of BJP will jump to Jagan. This was expected. BJP is not going to be any force in AP during 2019 elections and moneybags who jumped into BJP immediately after division will now jump to YSRC or to TDP (which is unlikely)

The hate campaign on BJP was in full swing in Telugu lands for almost two years and most of it was created and managed by CBN. Unfortunately BJP woke up late to do anything for 2019.
If the firstpost survey posted above is anything to go by, Modi has about 10% aproval rating in AP. Rahul Gandhi is much more popular which is down right stupid on their part considering his party divided AP.

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