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Post by RajaRaja » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:18 pm

All this suggestions of banning or targetting TV channels is bad idea. It will lead to a culture of vendetta banning/targeting every time the govt. changes and in democracies govt. does change after 1 term or 2 term.

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Post by srikumar » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:33 pm

^^^In theory, your point is correct. But given the blatant bias and partisanship of the press, in some cases with support from outside interests, what is the solution? The standards of honesty have slid significantly over the decades to a point today where the only honest channel is the one that explicitly declare its bias. The ones that claim to be neutral are the ones truly insidious. Self-regulation (Which is the way it should have been) has gone down the drain and is not likely to come back in 1 or 2 decades.

Given this logjam of no accountability and declining honesty (over decades), the model you have alluded to above, maybe be worth a try. Let the changing governments call for accountability of press. Over time, some sort of accountability will develop. Right now there is only press freedom. They are free to publish the lies, insinuation and innuendo with no accountability, given the way the courts are. Now that governments change every 5 or 10 years, there will be accountability for -both- sides, coming every 5 or 10 years. (Am not suggesting any draconian banning type punishments, just one step towards a goal of accountability that has slid miles and miles over the last few decades). The biggest losers from this loss of honesty are the Indian public and not the specific party in power. Therefore, I am OK if BJP holds some channels responsible today, and 5 or 10 years later when your favorite government comes to power, let them do the same thing. Over time, this will develop its own equilibrium, since all know that in a democracy, the wheel will turn 180 degrees.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:12 pm

Haldiram wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:18 pm
All this suggestions of banning or targetting TV channels is bad idea. It will lead to a culture of vendetta banning/targeting every time the govt. changes and in democracies govt. does change after 1 term or 2 term.
No body is asking the govt to ban anybody. It's enough if Hindus stop subscribing to them.

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Post by Vriksh » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:47 am

Simple rule.

If Haldiram opposes something, 9 times out of 10, it is good for Indians and Hindus.

Use that & simplify decisions.

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Post by Primus » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:59 pm

Vriksh wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:47 am
Simple rule.

If Haldiram opposes something, 9 times out of 10, it is good for Indians and Hindus.

Use that & simplify decisions.
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Post by RajaRaja » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:14 pm

Vriksh wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:47 am
Simple rule.

If Haldiram opposes something, 9 times out of 10, it is good for Indians and Hindus.

Use that & simplify decisions.

Curbing press freedom is good for India and HIndus?

And you are thekedar of Indians and Hindus? Speak for yourself.

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Post by JohnTitor » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:22 pm

Haldiram, there is press freedom and what not. No one here is contesting that or has any intention of doing so.

But peddling lies is not a "freedom". Has Modi scammed the people? Have Hindus suppressed the minorities? If so, they should report it so it can be investigated and prosecuted.

We all know that all these freedoms exist when it comes to Hindus but no such freedom exists when the perpetrators are non Hindu. No country that calls itself civilized allows the constant peddling of lies in the name of freedom.

So please, don't insult our intelligence by hiding behind press freedom.

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Post by KL Dubey » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:15 pm

FWIW...BJP is up to 100 seats in GJ assembly. An ex Congi MLA of some importance switched sides and won the resulting bypoll by a large margin of 20,000 votes.

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Post by chetak » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:44 pm

This is exactly why the pakis can never be trusted and no agreement can be made with them without it being subsequently repudiated by the other "side" of the paki jehadi equation.

After the 1971 war, which resulted in the loss of Pakistan’s eastern wing that became Bangladesh, the two countries signed the Simla Agreement in 1972. India released 90,000 Prisoners of War and returned Pakistani territory it had occupied in the western wing. But a few years later, Pakistan’s military ruler General Ziaul Haq described the agreement as an “unequal treaty” that could no longer be the basis of relations between the two countries.

They will, however, hold fast to a savagely unequal agreement like the IWT, whining, threatening and desperately begging the world bank, the amerikis and whoever else may be willing to lend them an ear, to uphold this farce of an agreement where they have garnered most of the benefits, leaving India in the lurch.






Who blocks India-Pakistan peace?


Who blocks India-Pakistan peace?

Aparna Pande
December 29, 2018,

It is not unusual for scholars to try and give equal weight to the arguments of both sides while writing about inter-state conflict. It is, however, unusual to describe a major terrorist attack sponsored by one in a major city of another without attributing responsibility or blame, despite the presence of overwhelming evidence of state complicity.

In a recent piece titled Ten Years After the Mumbai Terrorist Attacks, USIP’s Dr Moeed Yusuf—a respected US-based scholar of Pakistani origin—does exactly that. He argues that the 2004-2007 Pervez Musharraf-Manmohan Singh dialogue was the “most promising” peace initiative “ever managed” between India and Pakistan. According to him, this “truly remarkable progress” was undermined by the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, but he fails to mention that these attacks were orchestrated by the Pakistan-based terrorist group Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT).

The LeT and its top leadership continue to enjoy the support and protection of the Pakistani state even after being declared a global terrorist organisation by the United Nations and several governments, including the United States and the United Arab Emirates. Omitting mention of LeT’s role in the Mumbai attacks, and Pakistan’s refusal to act against it, helps build a tale of another “missed chance” for peace. Examining it would help understand why the attacks were timed so soon after the Musharraf-Manmohan initiative, whether the peace process was an elaborate charade, and how the attack that disrupted the dialogue might have been designed precisely to wriggle out of agreements that had not yet been finalised.

I have deep regard for Moeed Yusuf and he would neither be the first nor the last scholar to focus on a seminal event, while forgetting the cumulative history of a fraught relationship. But, with respect to him, the relationship between India and Pakistan cannot be discussed without looking at all the “breakthroughs” that are said to have occurred over time and why and how they did not last.

Dr Yusuf is right in noting that India and Pakistan need to imagine “a fundamentally more positive future together”. But this cannot be done without examining the pattern of poor relations and suggesting that the only hindrance to peace are the “outstanding areas of dispute.” Since their separation in 1947, India and Pakistan have had dozens of rounds of talks, including 45 meetings at the head of state or head of government level. They have also signed several agreements during the last 70 years. The first of these was the agreement between Prime Ministers Jawaharlal Nehru and Liaquat Ali Khan (known as the Nehru-Liaquat Pact) of 1950 that sought to ensure protection of minorities on both sides in the aftermath of the mass violence of partition.

But Pakistan has nurtured a hardline “Kashmir bazor Shamsheer” (Kashmir by the sword) lobby that portrays India as an existential threat to Pakistan—a view also supported by the country’s politically dominant military. Each of the four India-Pakistan wars was initiated by Pakistan, which tends to maintain an “all or nothing” approach on the Kashmir issue that surfaces soon after periods of dialogue.

The “acrimony on both sides” mentioned by Dr Yusuf is a more recent phenomenon. In India, hardline attitudes towards Pakistan can be traced back no farther than the 2001 terrorist attack on Indian Parliament. Admittedly, the Mumbai attacks of 2008 seen on live television have exacerbated the bitterness.

The Indian view now seems to be that Pakistan seeks dialogue whenever it is in a weak position, only to reinstate conflict once its hand becomes stronger. History supports that view. Soon after the 1962 India-China war, the United States and United Kingdom pushed for an India-Pakistan dialogue seeking to resolve the Kashmir dispute. Designated ministers from both sides, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto representing Pakistan and Swaran Singh representing India, conducted six rounds of discussions. Archival material from the US and India confirms that Nehru offered Pakistan adjustments on territory in Kashmir like what was reportedly agreed in the Musharraf-Manmohan talks. Bhutto turned down the offer, Pakistan announced that it was going to develop closer ties with China, and initiated war in Kashmir in 1965.

After the 1971 war, which resulted in the loss of Pakistan’s eastern wing that became Bangladesh, the two countries signed the Simla Agreement in 1972. India released 90,000 Prisoners of War and returned Pakistani territory it had occupied in the western wing. But a few years later, Pakistan’s military ruler General Ziaul Haq described the agreement as an “unequal treaty” that could no longer be the basis of relations between the two countries.

Soon after the 1998 nuclear tests by both countries, a comprehensive peace dialogue began, culminating in the 1998 bus yatra (journey) by then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee to Lahore to meet his counterpart Nawaz Sharif. The two signed the 1999 Lahore Declaration. A few months later, Pakistan started the Kargil conflict and Sharif’s government was toppled.

Vajpayee overlooked the Kargil debacle to invite its chief architect, General Pervez Musharraf, for the 2001 Agra Summit, which in turn was followed by terrorist attacks on the Jammu and Kashmir state Assembly followed by the December 2001 attack on Indian Parliament by Pakistan-based jihadi groups.

Musharraf’s back channel negotiations with the Manmohan government from 2004 to 2007 are supposed to have laid the foundations of a comprehensive peace, but these ended with the LeT’s Mumbai attacks. Narendra Modi’s initiatives for negotiations in 2015 were followed by another round of terrorist attacks and a judicial coup, backed by Pakistan’s military, against Modi’s negotiating partner, once again Prime Minister Sharif.

The desire for peace between India and Pakistan is shared by many around the world. But surely peace cannot be built on illusions. Dr Yusuf, and others, working on conflict resolution in South Asia should acknowledge the pattern of dialogue followed by war or terrorist attacks initiated by Pakistan and find a way around it. Pretending that the pattern does not exist will only keep us going around in circles.

Aparna Pande is Research Fellow and Director, India Initiative at the Washington-DC based Hudson Institute. Her books include Escaping India: Explaining Pakistan’s Foreign Policy (Routledge, 2011) and From Chanakya to Modi: The Evolution of India’s Foreign Policy (Harper Collins, 2017)

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Post by chetak » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:59 pm

PM Narendra Modi renames three islands in Andaman & Nicobar


December 30, 2018

Modi in Port Blair :

PM Narendra Modi renames three islands in Andaman & Nicobar


The three islands — Ross Island, Neil Island and Havelock Island — will now be called Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose Island, Shaheed Dweep and Swaraj Dweep, respectively, said Modi at a public function in Port Blair.

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Post by Supratik » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:59 pm

Was just looking at the political map of India. Congress has collapsed on the eastern seaboard of the country. I expect it to come third in Odisha. It is currently present on the western half of the country and the north-east minus Tripura. We will need another party in these areas to really challenge the existence of Congress.

Apparently, some Brahmins voted Congress because of "Janeudhari Brahmin" Rahul. And these are supposedly the caretakers of the faith.

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Post by Supratik » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:07 pm

I am not seeing a BJP campaign blitz like 2014. What seems to be the problem? Gives impression of lack of enthusiasm.

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Post by Supratik » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:13 pm

Talking to my relatives there is significant anti-incumbency in Bengal but they are not sure whether they should vote the 'komunal' party.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/polit ... 37171.html

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Post by crams » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:43 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:59 pm
Apparently, some Brahmins voted Congress because of "Janeudhari Brahmin" Rahul. And these are supposedly the caretakers of the faith.
Leaving aside casteism, but any Hindu who gets taken in by Pappu's comical pro-Hindu theatrics must be an ultra low-IQ eunuch. How anybody cannot see BJP's simpleton, pro-Hindu civilizational, nationalist outlook representing the average Hindu son/daughter of the soil is beyond me. If only Hindus of any caste, however much they may differ from other castes, use a tiny fraction of the brains they are endowed with, BJP will indeed win in a landslide and Cong mukt bharat will be a natural outcome. I know I am day dreaming.

Not to say I told you so, but ever since BJP's rise, I always knew at the back of my mind that BJP's opponents will accentuate the caste divisions to thwart BJP and thats exactly what Pappu's slaves are achieving. Naturally, as someone else said, this demoralizes the cadres and Karyakartas and lack luster campaigning might ensue.

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Post by crams » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:04 pm

chetak wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:44 pm

The desire for peace between India and Pakistan is shared by many around the world. But surely peace cannot be built on illusions. Dr Yusuf, and others, working on conflict resolution in South Asia should acknowledge the pattern of dialogue followed by war or terrorist attacks initiated by Pakistan and find a way around it. Pretending that the pattern does not exist will only keep us going around in circles.
Aparna Pande is a standard DC policy wonk and cannot or will not say anything radical, but she forgets that in recent years, another element has cropped up, namely, deep, very deep internal fissures in India's body politic. And that is the rise of BJP & nationalism, and the entire internal and external BIF cabal: "Dr Yusuf, and others, working on conflict resolution" have a visceral hatred of BJP. They are holding out for an MMS type favorable dispensation, only this time even going further to satisfy TSP's demands visa vi India, and in parallel pressurizing a weakened TSP to accept such a 'deal'. Yes, you guessed it, India surrendering Kashmir valley to TSP in slow motion under the guise of 'joint sovereignty', and throwing open all of India to TSP junta under the guise of 'borders made irrelevant' and pee-pee contact. Even "professor saab pigLeT'n chief Hafeez Saeed" will be hard pressed to reject such a juicy 'deal'.

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Post by chetak » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:12 pm

the minorities are perceiving the present govt to be on a weak wicket, especially after the poll losses in a few state elections as well as the forthcoming general elections of 2019.

They are flexing their muscles and chancing their arm in the hope that some pappu or khujliwal type political mentor/opportunist will help them take up their case and get them the free public land as has always been done for them.

A vast majority of these guys who are acting so uppity are illegal beedis who have learned that, in dilli, turning violent and butchering a few Hindus will fetch them rich dividends and the support of "activists" and urban naxals


Ground Report: Why Noida Namaz Issue Is About Land Encroachments And Not Right To Pray

Ground Report: Why Noida Namaz Issue Is About Land Encroachments And Not Right To Pray
by Swati Goel Sharma

Dec 30, 2018,

Worshippers offer prayers.

Snapshot
The Friday prayers organised in Noida area are a clear violation of a Supreme Court order that prohibits religious activities in public places without permission.



Reporting on the Noida namaz row, a portal recently quoted some members of the Muslim community as saying that they "just need a piece of ground where they can gather as a community, spread their prayer mats and offer Friday congregational prayers in peace".

At a glance, it doesn't seem much of a demand. But in practice, this is how elaborate it gets: from as early as 10 am or 11 am, carpets and chairs begin to be brought into the park, along with at least two water tankers. Other arrangements like loudspeakers are made. The namazis — an estimated 1,000-1,500 of them — begin arriving from 1 pm on foot, in cars and on two-wheelers; the vehicles are parked inside the ground. By 1.30 pm, the namaz starts. It is organised in batches, each session lasting around 15-20 minutes.

A security guard posted in the building right opposite the park told Swarajya, "it doesn't stop at that. A biryani seller also parks his thela [cart] here. It's obviously good business for him. But this means the whole thing goes on till 3 pm to 4 pm at least. A lot of mess is left behind."

The entire exercise repeats every Friday, without any prior permission from the government, and on a land that belongs to Noida Development Authority located right in the middle of an industrial hub.


Last week, the local Sector 58 police station sent a notice to 23 firms and factories, asking them to stop their Muslim employees from congregating in the park for group prayers as no such permission has been given by the city magistrate.

Station House Officer (SHO) Pankaj Rai told Swarajya that he acted after a group of residents from nearby Bishanpura village and some companies objected to the gathering. "It came to our notice that what used to be a group of 15-20 people suddenly swelled to 500-600 in a matter of two weeks. It suggested that outsiders were also coming here. So we stepped in," he said.

Backing the notice, Gautam Budh Nagar’s District Magistrate B N Singh told Swarajya that it was found that a professional body was being engaged for the arrangements, and mikes and loudspeakers were being used.

All this is in clear violation of a 2009 Supreme Court order that prohibits religious constructions in public places without permission, he said.

But a section of the media dubbed the notice as "controversial" for allegedly "singling out Muslims". Opposition parties immediately latched on to it. Former Uttar Pradesh chief minister Mayawati called the notice “arbitrary and highly irresponsible” and some other opposition leaders accused Noida Police of helping the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) to polarise people before the polls.

Senior officials like Gautam Budh Nagar Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Ajay Pal Sharma had to step in to clarify that the order wasn't discriminatory and pertains to all religions.

The controversy settled down only after it emerged that local authorities in nearby Greater Noida Sector 37 also stopped a week-long Hindu religious event to be held without permission at a Greater Noida Authority park this week.

After Notice, No Prayers Held On The Ground

On 28 December, the first Friday after the notice, the administration ensured that no prayers were organised in the Sector 58 park. There was heavy police presence and the ground was kept waterlogged with maintenance work. Most of the namazis went to adjacent parks and nearby mosques, though some had turned up in the morning to gauge the situation.


Amid heavy police presence, Friday congregation was not allowed in Sector 58 Noida park.
During namaz hours, only the mediapersons and cops could be seen in the area.

Around 3 pm, we met Mohammad Shabbir, who was returning from a mosque at Labour Chowk in Sector 62. The 52-year-old, who said he belonged to West Bengal and had been working in a garment factory for five years, said, "it took me one hour to go and come back from there. This park was quite convenient.”

Shabbir said he respected law and understood the action taken by the police, but was irked at Hindu outfits "insulting them". "Did you see the video where a Bajrang Dal member is asking a Muslim group things like where are they from and why they pray here? I was in that group," he said. "I wanted to ask him what authority he had to question and insult us like this. But who can argue with these folks," he said.

Delhi-bred Wajahad Khan, 27, was walking in the park for a short break from work. Building manager of a corporate firm located opposite to the park, Khan said the police notice did not affect him as he never offered "Jumme ki namaaz" anyway.

"Jumma means gathering. We believe that on Fridays, unless we read namaz in a gathering, the prayers go waste. A maulvi [cleric] must read the khudbah [Islamic sermon] that is around 8-10 pages long and takes about 15 minutes," he explained.

Khan said he agrees that such congregations often cause inconvenience.

"They occupy public roads and bring traffic to a halt. I don't like it," he said. "Even here, they bring tankers and loudspeakers. When I started working here a year ago, they were 200-250. Now they are easily more than a thousand."


However, Khan complained of discrimination, saying the authorities are soft on the likes of Bajrang Dal "who create ruckus on the streets and get away with it".

Echoing a similar sentiment, caretaker of a mosque in the adjoining Khora village, said the authorities must also stop morning shakhas organised by Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. On the ongoing issue, he said, "many of the Sector 58 namazis came here today. But this mosque is small and cannot accommodate all of them. What's so wrong in giving them space once in a week?"

On the other hand, Mahesh Kumar, a resident of Bishanpura village, who was also walking in the park, said he was relieved with police action. "As a child I used to come to this park to play. But had this been allowed to go on, the park would have soon turned into a mosque complex," he said. Kumar said the park was "hijacked" every Friday, leaving no space for the general public, and that too by "outsiders".

"Everybody knows most of them are Bangladeshis. This area has hardly any native Muslims. And only some of the factory employees are from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar," he said.

Residents Fear Encroachments "In The Name Of Friday Prayers"

Like Kumar, several residents in the Bishanpura village told Swarajya that they feared that the Sector 58 park would be "taken over by Muslims in the name of Friday prayers".

To justify their fears, they give several examples from their vicinity. These names are also cited in a 26 December letter by a Noida Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) functionary to the district magistrate, asking for removal of encroachments.

These include "an illegal mosque in Gejha village, a street between Sector 8 and 9 that is used for Friday congregations, an under construction illegal mosque in Chhaprauli-Mangrauli villages, an under construction illegal mosque in Sector 78, an illegal mazar [tomb] at Sector 39 Shashikant Chowk, illegal mazars in Sector 99 and Sector 54 Khargosh Park, and a huge plot of land in Sector 62 green belt, where a big tomb has been constructed illegally".


A board declaring the shrine to be a property of Uttar Pradesh Sunni Central Waqf Board.
A Bishanpura resident from the Jaatav community, requesting anonymity, said the Sector 62 tomb is particularly a bone of contention between the Jaatav and Muslim communities as that plot earlier housed a small shrine revered by the Jaatavs. "They [Muslims] simply hijacked the plot. In 2014, the two communities came to blows. But the then Samajwadi dispensation sided with them," he said.

Caretaker of the shrine, Mohammad Ishaq Saifi, however, said the plot was no more a Noida Authority land and was now a property of Uttar Pradesh Sunni Central Waqf Board.

Locals dismiss the claim.

When questioned on the land ownership of this and other structures, Gautam Budh Nagar’s District Magistrate B N Singh said, "I do not know. Let us not rake up more issues, please. I am not interested in those structures right now."

Singh said he is focusing on the issue at hand, which is the Sector 58 park, and the media should help resolve it first.

Swati Goel Sharma is a senior editor at Swarajya. She tweets at @swati_gs.

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Post by srikumar » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:25 pm

Correct me if I am wrong but this reminds me about the Taj Mahal.

Namaz never used to be held there, as far as I know. And then about 10 years ago (or 5 years ago?) I read news reports about namaz being held there. A few years of this and recently I read a news article where the Waqf Board claimed onwership of Taj Mahal. As I understand it, it went to the high court or supreme court (?) where the judge said asked them to show papers that gave them ownership. Clearly, Shah Jahan did not beqeath anything to the Waqf board (he was in jail, imprisoned by his son Aurangzeb)....and so they had nothing to show.

But the great thing is that this did not stop them from claiming some sort of onwership after a few years of namaaz.

I dont know if the case ended there. I dont know if namaz still goes on in Taj Mahal lawns now. I did not google any of this...just quoting from memory...so some details might be off.

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Post by Supratik » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:26 pm

Namaz now allowed only on Fri for locals at Taj.

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Post by chetak » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:04 pm

How media calculated the figure of Rs 10 lakh for Modi suit without caring for facts



How media calculated the figure of Rs 10 lakh for Modi suit without caring for facts

OPINDIA STAFF
FEBRUARY 18, 2015


Ever since PM Narendra Modi wore a pinstripe suit with his name monogrammed on it on the Republic Day earlier this year, Mainstream Media and Social Media has been spreading all sorts of stories about the origins of this suit. The most “believed” figure for the suit’s cost is Rs. 10 lakhs, which has been repeated as gospel’s truth by many leading journalists.

OpIndia.com traces how it all started, and how media comes up with “facts”.

Our team went through all the comments and information available in the public as soon as the suit was found to have been inscribed with Modi’s name. The first reaction was terming Narendra Modi a megalomaniac, which was followed by claims that what he did was not new. Many other state leaders had done that, most notably Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Soon the commentators tried to find the origins of Mubarak’s suit. And they discovered some news reports from as early as March 2011. Such reports revealed the name of the company that stitched the suit for Mubarak.This particular news report said “According to cloth maker Holland & Sherry, from London’s Savile Row, the stripes may have cost around 10,000 pounds per suit.”

And for some strange reasons, everyone assumed that the company that stitched the suit for Hosni Mubarak, also stitched it for Narendra Modi. This assumption was made mainstream by some foreign press reports.

An article in the London Evening standard, a UK based publication, on 26th January said – It appears that the suit has come from our very own Savile Row, with fabric made by “cloth merchants of distinction” Holland & Sherry. The fabric alone — seven metres required to make a suit — would have cost somewhere between £2,500 and £3,000.

Note the term “it appears“, which means that London Evening Standard had no definite information about makers of the suit. Essentially it had published a report on guess work. Perhaps they wanted to find a British link (note the term “our very own”) to every international event just as our media tries to find an Indian link to every international event.

But that didn’t deter many on the social media, especially those aligned to the Congress party, from spreading this weak assumption it as if it was some gospel truth.

British papers reporting that Modi’s Hosni Mubarak-style “name suit” likely to have cost somewhere near £10,000. pic.twitter.com/WFS1kVYlff

— Sonia Faleiro (@soniafaleiro) January 26, 2015


Once spread by Congress allied social media accounts, this was then blindly picked by up Indian mainstream media. A DNA article was one of the first to start this propaganda. Of course, they were ably supported by the usual suspects from Social Media.

Modi wore a ₹10 lakh suit!?!! pic.twitter.com/m4XcGA14DI — Mihir Sharma (@mihirssharma) January 26, 2015

So @narendramodi ji’s pinstriped inscribed bandhgala costs almost 8lakh rupees. Not abnoxious waste of (tax payers)money? right? #ModiSuit — Rudrali Patil (@rudralipatil) January 26, 2015

Modi Assets worth 2Cr only, but wears suits costing 10lacs each. Who pays? Taxpayers money? Corporates ? #ModiSuit — Vinod Mehta (@DrunkVinodMehta) January 26, 2015

Later Rahul Gandhi repeated the claim in run up to Delhi elections, and the figure of 10 lakh became a fact.
While certain sections of the media blindly copied the British figures and Rahul Gandhi, Times of India tried to estimate the cost from scratch. In this piece, they said an Indian designer estimated that “cost is anything between Rs 80,000 and Rs 5 lakh, depending on the fabric”. They also claimed that the suit was stitched by Jade Blue, the same company which makes the famous Modi Kurtas.

So as of this stage, our stellar journalists had a range of Rs 80,000 to Rs 10 lakh as the cost of Modi’s suit, and it could have come from London or from Ahmedabad.

Today, it was declared that Modi’s famed suit will be auctioned and the proceeds will go to the Namami Gange Trust Fund for helping fund girls’ education cleaning of Ganga river. It was also made clear that the suit is among the nearly 363 items that were received as gifts by Modi and Gujarat chief minister Anandiben Patel and that will be auctioned.

This is line with what Modi has been doing for a long time. Much before he became PM, he had raised Rs 89.96 crore by auctioning all gifts he received as Chief Minister and donated this to the Kanya Kelavani Fund.

As to the details of the origins of the suit, it is now revealed that the suit was a gift from a Mr Rameshkumar Bhikabhai Virani. Mr Virani said, “I am from Gujarat. I presented this suit to him (Prime Minister Modi) when I attended the recent Vibrant Gujarat Summit. I gave it while extending an invitation to him to attend my son’s wedding on January 26.”

He also rubbished the claims that it could have cost Rs 10 lakhs saying “My son does not have the guts to spend that kind of money or that amount.”

While the cost of the suit is not yet known, some commentators believe that Modi’s suit “cost” the BJP the Delhi elections. We hope someone catches hold of the tailor who made it as soon as possible. At the time of writing this, the suit had attracted a bid of Rs 1 crore!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vriksh » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:18 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:07 pm
I am not seeing a BJP campaign blitz like 2014. What seems to be the problem? Gives impression of lack of enthusiasm.
Really really worried. We are just a few months away from 2019 elections. I hope a slew of measures are announced to entice voters back to the fold.
I hope this is not a repeat of 2004 or Delhi elections. :facepalm:

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vriksh » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:16 pm

Haldiram wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:14 pm
Curbing press freedom is good for India and HIndus?
Curbing crooks is good for India. Not good for you and your buddies.
And you are thekedar of Indians and Hindus? Speak for yourself.
Commies can always wank off thinking of Mao or Marx! Why are you bothered with all them pesky Hindu heathens my dear communist birader. They will continue to exist and thrive while commies get flushed down the toilet (swacch bharat). :rotfl:

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:26 pm

Guys what exactly are the details of this latest mob anger that caused death of another policeman in UP?

Only thing I get from DDM is Yogi bad, Yogi bad. Chaos and mayhem in UP, ‘respected’ ex diplomats have wriiten a letter in anguish etc etc. In other words, UP under BJP and YogiJi is in a state of dystopia while under ‘secular’ SP administration, UP was in a state of bliss.

Yet another instance where BJP haters narrative was fixed in advance, and a regrettable incident used to drumbeat that narrative. No honest journalistic effort to find out what exactly happened and then apportion blame.

Note something else. Suppose the cops fired on the mob killing a few. Then the hate YogiJi demagougery would have been even more shrill. So nothing YogiJi did or did not do would have mattered

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by RajaRaja » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:42 am

Vriksh wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:16 pm
Haldiram wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:14 pm
Curbing press freedom is good for India and HIndus?
Curbing crooks is good for India. Not good for you and your buddies.
And you are thekedar of Indians and Hindus? Speak for yourself.
Commies can always wank off thinking of Mao or Marx! Why are you bothered with all them pesky Hindu heathens my dear communist birader. They will continue to exist and thrive while commies get flushed down the toilet (swacch bharat). :rotfl:
Did I step on your tail or something?!

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