The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

[hanumadu]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/lucknow/ ... vx32I.html

Ganga water quality improves after stopping sewage and tannery waste flow.

[hanumadu]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 191956.cms

Delhi HC asks AJL to vacate Herald House in 2 weeks.

What happened to the tax case? When are they paying it?
Also when is NDTV paying the tax?

[Vikas]

An old Joke (With due apologies to Sikh biraders).
Once there were few people traveling in 2nd class of rickety Indian train and conversation veered towards Hanuman.
Hindu Said, "Hanuman obviously is Hindu, He is a revered deity that's why you see so many temples of Hanuman across India and he wears Jenau too"
Muslim guy said," Lahol willa kuawwat, Hanumaan was clearly a Musalmaan. We name our children after him like Ramzaan, Imaan, Sulemaan etc."
Deracinated Anglo Indian guy said,"Non Sense, HanuMan was a westerner like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and before all of them, HanuMan"

A sikh guy who was sitting far away got iriitated, Thrashed all of them and proclaimed," Hanuman was clearly a Sikh. Only a Sikh would burn the whole palace of a stranger, kill his Son for the wife of another stranger by crossing a sea yet leave the woman back in the courtyard of the same stranger"

P:OK, The joke looks more funny in Punjabi

[JohnTitor]

He can keep his strength of conviction after returning to power. First, let him return. We need that.

One thing if we have understood about NaMo is his strength of conviction. he is not going to dole out money or give freebies.
Not happening as much as people on SM make noise about it.
Remember lot of SM noise is old sleeper cells of Luyten system awakening with hope of getting some crumbs post Dec elections.

Anyhow Path to Delhi kingdom was never easy especially for outsiders from South of Delhi.

+108 to that, thathastu

[JohnTitor]

The entire brouhaha over Urijit Patel and RBI fund's just before elections and his stance, lends credence to the fact that BJP knew the issue, wanted to address it, but his obdurate stance cost them that PR.

In short, they had feedback from the ground, went looking for money, and were stymied.

I have to say, this makes a lot of sense - the question is whether BIF ensured that patel didn't tow the line .. i wouldn't be surprised if that were the case

[JohnTitor]

Overall the situation with NDA allies looks fairly solid as of now....

Things look stable in the Northeast (NEDA), PB (Akalis),and UP (Apna Dal).

BH seems OK with JDU...and Paswan will likely remain on board after some negotiations.

GA also seems OK. No dramatics yet from MGP et al.

MH is the only state with an alliance partner that is a serious pain in the neck.

States in which the party could find it useful to enter into new alliances: AP (maybe YSRC, minus missionary baggage), TN (AIADMK), and Jharkhand (JMM ?)

In other states BJP does not need any alliance. In TG it is probably better to stay away from KCR and let him cut into the UPA nationally with his "federal front" attempts.

GA seemed to hinge on Parriker - with him sick, he is unlikely (and unfair) to expect him to be part of 2019 campaign team. Will the allies continue to support BJP if he's no longer part of the team?

[Chandragupta]

the only hope is a thrashing of congress, revolt in congress, removal of family and a revival of a proper center left party on economic issues, and center right on national security that brings us to a two party system that competes on growth, development etc..

For that, Congress needs to be wrapped up at a tally similar to 2014. That + ongoing cases against the dienasty will ensure there is a split in Congress camp.

KCR is now in Delhi trying to win some traction for a third front. Is it possible that the regional parties have tasted some blood in Congi weakness and want to be principle united opposition to BJP in the coming years? They may be thinking that if they restrict BJP below 240, keep Congressis near the 70-80 mark, the turd front has a real chance to impose a 'musical chairs' type arrangement of putting different PM each year, they would sell such an arrangement as joint leadership and the sickular pidis in the media would celebrate it as victory of federalism.

[Gus]

there's a saying in tamil - aasai yaarai vittathu..(who is not susceptible to desire)

JJ brought down vajpayee govt because susa fed her dreams of PMship.

maya, mamta, etc are all wanting to keep options open for getting 30-40 seats and leveraging that for rotating PMship or as satirized by Cho back in 1971 in movie thuglaq - "everybody has joined my party. I am the PM and everybody else is a deputy PM".

[hanumadu]

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[shravanp]

This post already has gone long. Will write my thoughts later in some other post. You call me AaPturd , congressi or ban me , it ai'nt gonna change my perception of Modi . I used to call him an " Avtari purush " now I think he is just another political thug.
On my assessment of his promises and delivery , he has failed miserably .

Thanks for your confession. You are rock solid AAPTurd, and we all know it.

[Supratik]

From various sources these were the issues for loss in MP, RJ.''

RJ rotates govt at state level. VR is not a very popular leader.

MP
1)Farmer distress
2) GST
3) SC/ST Act

Each of these cause 2-3% reduction in vote.
RSS thinks most NOTA voters were BJP supporters unhappy over no progress on Ram mandir.

CG
6-7% vote for Ajit Jogi - all from BJP vote share. Probably tribal vote. Unexpected as Jogi was expected to cut Cong.

All of these can be rectified in the next 4 months with deft moves. Good thing is that of Modi/Shah/BJP felt overconfident that has been deflated. I expect them to get more intense on winning.

Lastly, Modi will make a mistake if he thinks this is all about him. He must win it for the good of India. If has to give goodies for that so be it.

[Supratik]

I want to see animal spirit from Modi-Shah to ward of this challenge. Nothing less will do. Too much at stake for India.

[chinmayanand]

BJP president Amit Shah told a media conclave on Wednesday that NDA would contest the 2019 election under the leadership of Narendra Modi.

Till ten days ago this would have sounded like stating the obvious. But after December 11 it is no longer frivolous to ask questions like – Who will be the BJP’s prime-ministerial face? Is NDA thinking of a change in leadership?

After the defeat of the BJP in Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, nothing can be taken for granted. Not only are such questions being asked but a few names are already being bandied about in ruling party circles as possible alternatives.

In fact at another media event a day earlier, Nitin Gadkari was asked whether he was one of the potential contenders. To which he replied like any politician would: “I have no prime-ministerial ambitions".

That should have put all speculations to rest. But it has not. Instead, there is an undercurrent that refers to a contingency plan drawn up by the RSS just in case the BJP and its allies fail to win a comfortable majority in the next Lok Sabha.

A senior RSS functionary was even willing to confirm the existence of a Plan B. The Sangh has been examining different scenarios, he said, and we are prepared for all eventualities.

According to him, the assembly election results show it will be a close election in 2019. “We expect NDA to come back to power but we cannot ignore the reality that the Congress has recovered ground in some important States. The possibility cannot be ruled out that the number of BJP MPs will be much less than last time. This will mean greater dependence on NDA partners who will demand greater say in running the government. We have to see whether someone else will be better suited to work amicably with coalition partners than Narendrabhai,” is what he said.


Accusing Modi and Shah of upturning the good work done by the former BJP governments in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, Tiwari said they seem to be interested “only in grandiose Bullet Trains and Metro Rail projects”

LEAK OF PLAN ‘B’ OF RSS

As far as the election campaign is concerned the TINA factor applies - there is no alternative to Modi. Amit Shah was factually correct when he said NDA would fight the election under Modi’s leadership. But if the results show a narrow margin of victory or if new allies are needed to form the new government, then someone like Nitin Gadkari or Rajnath Singh can be chosen as Prime Minister.

The RSS clearly believes that having such a Plan B ready is a pragmatic approach to contingencies. However, there is some embarrassment that details of the plan seem to have leaked out and murmurs are beginning to be heard about replacing “arrogant” Modi with a “friendly” Gadkari.

So much so that Kishore Tiwari, a farmer leader in Maharashtra, has written a letter to the RSS demanding that Nitin Gadkari should be projected as the prime ministerial candidate. The contents of the letter have not only leaked out into the public domain but also attracted wide coverage in the national media.

Earlier whenever Kishore Tiwari issued any statement, he invariably received a fair amount of press coverage, but mainly within Maharashtra. Almost all newspapers, whether large-circulation Marathi dailies published from Nagpur or Pune or leading English language papers from Mumbai, take him seriously.

WHY KISHORE TIWARI CARRIES WEIGHT

There is a reason for this. Tiwari is a prominent farm activist. Apart from being the founder of the Vidarbha Jan Andolan Samiti, he also is the chairman of the State government’s think-tank on farm crisis, the Vasantrao Naik ShetkariSwavalamban Mission (VNSSM)

The bespectacled champion of farmers’ causes has been outspoken on many issues – from criticising what he called improper survey of drought affected areas of Maharashtra to the plight of cotton farmers due to inadequate procurement prices and even weighing into the controversial shooting of a tigress which had killed over a dozen tribals and villagers.

This week, however, what Kishore Tiwari said catapulted him to the front pages of national newspapers and TV news channels.

In his letter to RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat and General Secretary Bhaiyyaji Suresh Joshi, Tiwari said the BJP's defeat in Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh was the direct outcome of "arrogant leaders" who implemented devastating decisions like demonetisation, Goods and Services Tax (GST), fuel prices hike and other anti-people measures.

"Leaders who pursue an extremist and dictatorial attitude in the party and government are dangerous for the society and the country... This has been witnessed before and if history is not to be repeated, hand over the reins to (Nitin) Gadkari for the 2019 polls," Tiwari has written.

The farm leader, who enjoys ministerial status, categorically asked the BJP to "get rid of both Prime Minister Modi and BJP chief Amit Shah" for their anti-farmer and anti-people policies, which led to the party's stunning defeats in the just concluded elections.

Accusing Modi and Shah of upturning the good work done by the former BJP governments in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, Tiwari said they seem to be interested "only in grandiose Bullet Trains and Metro Rail projects".

The real challenge before Modi and Amit Shah, therefore, is not just from Opposition parties but also from within. Far worse will be a challenge from the parent organisation and sister outfits of the Sangh Parivar

Need for a more ‘gentle’ leader

He said that considering the "dictatorial approach" of Modi and Shah, which has unleashed fear in the country, it was imperative to have an acceptable and gentle leader like Nitin Gadkari, who can take along all viewpoints and friendly parties, evolve consensus and remove fear among people.

Gadkari, he said was "adequately qualified" for the top post since he has also headed the BJP as National President, besides ministerial capacities in Maharashtra and now at the centre.

This trenchant, no holds barred criticism has caused red faces among the RSS top leadership - it has sparked off speculation in front organisations which have been increasingly irritated by Narendra Modi’s personality cult and his disinterest in implementing the core agenda of the Sangh.

Modi and Shah ‘insecure’

There are reports that Modi and Shah are feeling angry and affronted that speculation about a possible change in leadership before or after the Lok Sabha elections has gained currency – not in anti-BJP parties but within the Sangh itself. But they are also feeling insecure – they do not know whether RSS top brass are behind the whispers and also whether they will get the full support of the cadres during the elections.

The ground situation is challenging. Apart from three major Hindi heartland states and Punjab now coming under Congress rule, there is concern about the remaining BJP-ruled States. The prospects of good electoral results in Haryana, Uttarakhand, Jharkhand, Maharashtra and Gujarat are mixed at best.

The BJP may be in a stronger position in the Northeast but the number of seats from these states is too few. The South still remains out of reach except through proxy alliances and not much headway has been made in any of the eastern states either.

Moreover, in Uttar Pradesh, the BJP can ignore the rumblings only at its own peril – apart from which the coming together of BSP and SP poses a threat even if the ‘Mahagathbandhan’ with the Congress does not materialise. The resignation of BJP MP Savitribai Phule is also a sign that more defections could take place.

Phule, a Dalit MP from Bahraich, who is just 37-years-old, has been making derisive statements against Modi - “Desh ke chowikdar ki pehredari mein, sansadhono ki chori karai ja rahi hai” (the country’s resources are being looted under the watch of the country’s gateman) -- virtually echoing what Congress leaders have been saying and this could encourage others to speak out too.

The real challenge before Modi and Amit Shah, therefore, is not just from Opposition parties but also from within. Far worse will be a challenge from the parent organisation and sister outfits of the Sangh Parivar.

[srikumar]

chinamayanand,
All this long, detailed posts from you are useless. I've read many such posts over the years from even more smart and detail-oriented people on BRF. Those who try to be clever follow the same predictable pattern .....talk about what they want to, and studiously avoid other things. Old tactic.

Vikas,
poster chinmanayand did remind me of Rahul Mehta in his second post itself (which was quite short, usually he writes reams). In any case, his insincerity was obvious in that very post itself which is why I responded with sarcasm. He is NOT going to change his mind with any reasonable reasoning from our side. His job is to change minds of fence-sitters on the forum. He studiously avoided the one single question that I asked twice- assuming he had any sincerity. I dont want his answer anymore because his game is clear.

At large:
It is more useful to figure out reasons for the three-state defeat, and what it means for 2019 elections. I agree with some posters here that without some freebies, 2019 will be difficult. But in retrospect, just seeing the churn on the forum tells me that the defeat does have a silver lining. People who would have been complacent are now concerned. NOTA voters know now that their NOTA-ness can bring on a khichdi regime with god-knows who at the helm.


As for an alternative to congress, I am not opposed to Congress if the party is no longer the personal property of the Gandhi family, inherited by the next generation without even the need for a goddamned will ! And they can loot from the country- and no one will object because the loot is shared by all. From Rahul it will go to Rehan Vadra and god knows who else after that (Rehan's kid and then his kid). The congress party as it stands today and in future, has a bad smell. Disband it and form another party.

Saw shravan's post below and I agree. It seems like they just want Modi out and does not matter who else takes his place. It does not matter if the country goes to damnation. Quite amazing really....and for this reason alone such people should be opposed tooth and nail.

[shravanp]

AAPturd really wishes that if BJP comes again in 2019, there better be another PM candidate so that Congoons/AAPturds can fly under the radar and indulge into ghoos-khori.

[chinmayanand]

AAPturd really wishes that if BJP comes again in 2019, there better be another PM candidate so that Congoons/AAPturds can fly under the radar and indulge into ghoos-khori.

AAPturd to Moditurd ," Modi is as corrupt as a politician can get."
Vijay Malya was on a No-fly checklist put at international airports by CBI . The very CBI that is under the PM I.e. Modi , took Mallay off the list and he flew abroad.

I do not know how much ghoos Mallya gave to Modi or how much Modi demanded and took. None of us can say with confidence as it's an internal matter of ghoos taker and ghoos giver.

Mallya was able to escape because he was let go by Modi after proper greasing of palms .

[Supratik]

Calling Modi a ghoos khor without proof is trolling.

[chinmayanand]

Calling Modi a ghoos khor without proof is trolling.

Calling Congress and AAP ghoos khor without proof is ok ?

BJP is the only political party whose two National Presidents have been caught on camera taking ghoos. One was Sri Bangaru Laxman and the other was Sri Nitin Gadkari. Sri Gadkari had to step down from Party President post because of his wrongdoings.

So, will it be ok if I call Sri Gadkari as ghoos khor ? If he could take bribe as a party president what stops him from taking bribes in 2 malaidar portfolios he heads ?

[crams]

Guys, as I said earlier, I hate to post any propaganda from Pappu slaves, but there are a few whom we must take seriously. I have been listening to Nilanjan Mukhopadhyay who no doubt oozes Pappu from every orifice of his, but nevertheless, he is one of those Pappu slaves who has some substance in his narratives (he also has written a book on ModiJi). Here he claims that BJP will all be obliterated in the Hindi heartland. Very depressing read. Only silver lining is that he is extrapolating the recent assembly trends

https://thewire.in/politics/bjps-tally- ... 70-in-2019

One thing for sure, BJP is mightily on the back foot in the perception battle. And the sad part is that they narrative has been set by BJP haters and that has stuck. Amit Shah & Co have to reverse the perception battle by end of Jan or so.

[crams]

Mallya was able to escape because he was let go by Modi after proper greasing of palms .

Dude, this is unadulterated balderdash. You Pappu slaves are on the right track giving freebies to farmers, that surely undercuts BJP's long-term plan for farmers. However, you start talking corruption, be my guest, your goose will be cooked. I am of course assuming fair play. I don't have proof just as you don't of the above, but plausibly, Pappu's anglophile slaves are working overtime to delay Mallya's extradition, as also other thieves till after the 2019 elections so as to nullify the corruption plank stacked against Pappu. Similarly, Pappu ecosystem has managed to put off RJB verdict till after the 2019 polls. Even the Rafale breather that court had no choice but to go in favor of ModiJi was cleverly delayed till after the recent state elections so as to not give ModiJi any advantage. So the ecosystem deck is heavily tilted against ModiJi, and one of his colossal failures is not have decimated this scourge despite the huge mandate he had.

[chinmayanand]

Mallya was able to escape because he was let go by Modi after proper greasing of palms .

Dude, this is unadulterated balderdash.{ You or me , do not know NaMo in totality . Do not think of him as Harishchandra or Ramchandra } You Pappu slaves are on the right track giving freebies to farmers, that surely undercuts BJP's long-term plan for farmers. { If I support Congress , I am a Pappu slave and you are a nationalist because you support Modi. I might also call you a Modi slave or Andh Modi bhakt . Let's keep it civil . I am standing on higher ground , so am not losing control. I am replying point by point. Points which are true and can not be rebuffed . This is causing angst and pain in Modi bhakts and I am being called names as aaptards , pappu slave and what not. But you need to prove me wrong in a civil way with strong arguments which can make me think. Be Brave. }However, you start talking corruption, be my guest, your goose will be cooked. I am of course assuming fair play. I don't have proof just as you don't of the above, but plausibly, Pappu's anglophile slaves are working overtime to delay Mallya's extradition, as also other thieves till after the 2019 elections so as to nullify the corruption plank stacked against Pappu. Similarly, Pappu ecosystem has managed to put off RJB verdict till after the 2019 polls. Even the Rafale breather that court had no choice but to go in favor of ModiJi was cleverly delayed till after the recent state elections so as to not give ModiJi any advantage. So the ecosystem deck is heavily tilted against ModiJi, and one of his colossal failures is not have decimated this scourge despite the huge mandate he had. { One man's folly is another man's advantage. If Modi did not destroy the so called Congress ecosystem , he is to be blamed for playing weak and not Chanakian.}

[crams]

chinmayanand, no intention of engaging you. As alreadsy said, you seem to be a Papu slave, good for you. I am a ModiJi 'bhakt' as you call it. We know he can make mistakes, but comparing him to an ass hole like your Pappu is like comparing Virat Kohli's batting with that of Ishant Sharma.

[Primus]

Folks, I think the new avatar/clone of Rahul Mehta needs to be banned. He is disruptive as hell and has a clear agenda. I have no problems with a dissenting voice or opinion, heck, don't want this to be an echo chamber. However, everyone who has a different opinion here is largely agreed that despite all the negatives, the Congress/UPA has been bad for the country and that the BJP/NDA has been good for the country. Anybody who says the opposite and does it vehemently with the kind of vicious language used is clearly working on an anti-India agenda.

We have all differed on how best to take the nation forward and there are good discussions to be had in that context, but this is absolutely counterproductive.

Just my thoughts, the mods of course will do as they like. FWIW, in my 20 plus years on BRF and now here, I have never asked for anyone to be banned, but this one really gets under my skin.

[crams]

What a brilliant riposte by my man Abhijit Iyer Mitra completely annihilating Burka bibi as a pompous low-IQ western wannabe loquacious self-aggrandizing ego maniac

https://theprint.in/opinion/dear-barkha ... ra/166519/

[Vikas]

AAPturd really wishes that if BJP comes again in 2019, there better be another PM candidate so that Congoons/AAPturds can fly under the radar and indulge into ghoos-khori.

AAPturd to Moditurd ," Modi is as corrupt as a politician can get."
Vijay Malya was on a No-fly checklist put at international airports by CBI . The very CBI that is under the PM I.e. Modi , took Mallay off the list and he flew abroad.

I do not know how much ghoos Mallya gave to Modi or how much Modi demanded and took. None of us can say with confidence as it's an internal matter of ghoos taker and ghoos giver.

Mallya was able to escape because he was let go by Modi after proper greasing of palms .

You don't like Modi Ji because of your corruption allegation (fair enough) but you are willing to vote for congress whose reason d'eater is to loot the country from every angle and every revenue. Why is there no consistancy in your principles ?

As SriKumar said, You are following the time and tested flop tactics of so many others on BRF.
It seems like you have already conducted survey of whole of India and found that BJP is losing. Somehow posters like you live with this wet dream that NM is/will be opposed by BJP/RSS and they will find another PM candidate.
That will happen for sure in due course of time post 2024. Till then, you will have to rant on this forum.
But if you look at the sunny side, Congressis are called slaves because none of them can dare challenege Chinese Gandhi's and survive to live the day.
Assuming you are just a Modi-hater and not congress lover, How do you pitch for Rahul with straight face when the guy has no experience of having any experience and like his father is most likely to bring the country and its reputation down.
If Kejriwal was a total duffer idiot with no street smartness and support of whole EJ-Commie ecosystem, He would have been Rahul G.