The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by bharotshontan » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:48 pm

ricky wrote:
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Bharotshontan ji, that is a terrible, terrible idea based on the very real grounds of sexism, 0.25 for girls, 0.75 for boys,0.5 for men/women; with the summation deciding a tier?? So, is a boys understanding so worthless, that it only reaches a value equal to the other gender when he reaches 18 or becomes married (what of unmarried "boys"?) what ass backwards logic, or is the girls value as a voter diminished when she gives birth and is relegated from 0.25 to 0.5?

Society is built on many things, but the most important is one of family, wanting to have and raise your own blood should not be penalized or demonized. Some people may long after brood parasitism but ones fetish should not be foisted on others.
Sorry if the details offended, I haven't thought out about unmarried individuals yet. Basic premise was to reward demographically responsible individuals and families and communities with greater say, instead of lesser say as is currently the setup of conventional democracy. So rewards go highest to those with least children, and second to those that improve the f:m ratio.

Some less stringent form of this has been implemented in Assam regarding govt benefits.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Mort Walker » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:59 pm

Dystopian for some, for others utopian. Given demographics, voting rights must be restricted in form or another to prevent being over run by the Abrahamics.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:05 pm

This is a useless talk. What we can have is some incentives for those planning their families like tax rebate, more feebies, etc.

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Post by ricky » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:20 pm

Sirs, if it is about controlling numbers, i am all for Supratik ji's plan, what is being proposed though is misandry. Born with a dik, well your vote is worthless, though it can be redeemed if you get married, but you will never match the all-prescient voice of girls. In all this scheme, the loudest voice is of some kid who has the distinction only of possessing the correct crotch shape? Its like the author was watching 300 and took its scene of virgin oracles and their prediction powers to heart.
I mean, a full grown man/woman have nothing on the girl child? Brilliant thinking.

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Post by vishvak » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:58 pm

Sir let's clearly define goals first and clean away hurdles logically that may come in the way - from societal to constitution; and how to convince those with clarity -to decimate others with numbers/ideologies et al- can come later.

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Post by Primus » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:34 pm

Aditya_V wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:57 am
This is the essence of INC thinking, no wonder they have ruled for soo long

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... sc-ve.html
Senior party leader Jyotiraditya Scindia said that the clean chit to Modi government is not a setback as the issue is still live in the “people’s court” and Congress will continue to raise it in the Parliament.
Same thing happened with Modi's SC clearance on the 2002 riots. Dumbos from NDTV were still shouting he was guilty - we've all seen the infamous video of the British MP and Razdan.

Murgi ki teen tang.

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Post by crams » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Pappu and his slaves like Ajai Shukla are out blazing repeating 'chor' like stuffed constipated wolves. And all that f!king BJP puts out is the mild-mouthed Shaina NC begging to listen to SC. Give me a f!king break. If this is how BJP can get pummeled even when they win, they don't deserve to be in power.Bloody paper tigers.

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Post by Primus » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:35 pm

I agree, restricting voting rights based on gender/religion/income/etc is a very slippery slope and IMHO deeply unethical. What can and possibly should be done is to Incentivize people to be a more productive part of society, while discouraging overbreeding (for whatever reason). Thus, a lower income tax slab if you have fewer children, as opposed to the now prevalent practice all over the world of allowing 'deductions' for each family member would be a good start. This can be commenced from the following year, thus giving people enough notice and time to plan their families. Since a girl child is considered burdensome in India, the government can offer incentives to avoid the typical 'breeding for boys' syndrome. A girl's education could be provided free even up to basic undergrad college.

One thing that becomes very obvious very quickly is that just like Muslim leaders do not want their flock to become educated and prosperous, the politicians in India want the poor to remain poor. Heck, even the middle class and rich want the poor to remain poor. how else are they going to get the cheap maids, servants, drivers they need to maintain their lifestyle? Is is any wonder then that Modi has so many enemies from all sections of society?

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Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:12 pm

Girls education schemes are available in all BJP or former BJP ruled states. I don't know whether they have it in UP and BH which are the problem states. Rest have pretty much controlled their population except one community.

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Post by RajaRaja » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:29 pm

The population control bus left a long time ago. I would fault Nehru and all the successive govts. for not enforcing castration. Highly unethical, but how else the population would have been controlled in a country like India? Slogans like "Bachche do ya teen, bus", or "Bachche do hi achche" did not work, and govt. family planning programs had very limited success.

Time for population control is long gone, growth is anyway coming down to a manageable replacement rate. Now it is time to suffer the consequences. This problem will sort itself out give or take a couple of centuries. Just 2% land for world's nearly 20% population is not enough.
In the meantime the nation would muddle along as no politician or political party have so far shown guts to make the structural changes required to address the problems at the hand.

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Post by Vriksh » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:03 pm

BJP needs to get an award for self goals. The well wishes who noted anything were completely ignored.
Amazing hubris and overconfidence, now exposed.
For instance, BJP supporters and karyakartas attacked Nationwide, nothing but speeches from Shah and co.
Many local BJP guys corrupt to the core, ignored in the Gyan about largest statue and Modi on this magazine cover.
Middle class alienation and upper caste alienation at full stream. Adding salt to injury, Jetli bragging about budget on NDTV and Modi bloviating on SC/ST bill in rallies.
Freebie culture in Indian lower income groups is well established and they give two hoots about Hinduism or Hindutva or BJP. BJP is pandering to them and ignoring all other groups. My concerns for 2019 are stronger than ever.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vriksh » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:05 pm

crams wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:54 pm
Pappu and his slaves like Ajai Shukla are out blazing repeating 'chor' like stuffed constipated wolves. And all that f!king BJP puts out is the mild-mouthed Shaina NC begging to listen to SC. Give me a f!king break. If this is how BJP can get pummeled even when they win, they don't deserve to be in power.Bloody paper tigers.
Modis oveereliance on Jetli and let's not offend media has allowed Shukla types to flourish. What prevented him from going ahead with Iranis proposal against fake news?

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Post by hanumadu » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:30 pm

I wonder if the govt always had a strategy for the Rafale allegations. Now any other corruption allegation against Modi will not get much traction. Congress appears vindictive to the public.

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Post by krisna » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:53 pm

WRT population there has been a decline in total fertility rate over the decades. Now southern India is in net decline overall. Only UP Bihar RJ Assam have TFR more than required for replacement.

Currently despite declining TFR we still grow due to longer life span and young population. This younger population will marry and have 1 -2 kids which will make the Indian population still grow before stabilising in next 25-35 years or so.

Overall Indian population is slowly declining and shifting demographic burden to higher age groups -- will make life difficult unless corrective measures taken inlcuding developing economy . This has been understood only by NaMo. Recall his speeches before 2-014 elections when talked of demographic dividends, create more employment and make India a powerful stronger nation. He ahs made lot of moves wrt to the above. Only results will take time as lot of changes are needed to make the elephant run.


Amongst all parties only he has talked about future and its projections. he has talked about it in positive way on harnessing this population bulge to reduce mayhem and friction with youth not taken care of.

we are blessed to have him as our PM. he may not succeed in all but he has the right attitude humble incorruptible and willing to break his back for his countrymen.
Are we capable of protecting him by voting enmasse for him as our PM in 2019 is the big question.

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Post by Indrad » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:56 pm

as we speak congress is again trending ChowkidarChorHai and Rahul H-----i giving pressers w chor embedded every now and then for PM.
If BJP has no respect for its own PM then what can be done!
Are people so naive to believe a ganjedi , at least state poll result reflects so!

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The opposition is still not getting the seriousness of this SC verdict. You got just one chance, one single chance, just that one single bloody damn chance of charging Modi with corruption. Your own oversmartness killed it. Now just watch the SC impact in the public narrative.
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Post by Indrad » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:02 pm

Wanted rhino poachers in Assam win Panchayat elections
A most wanted rhino poacher, Dilwar Hussain, had won the Gram Panchayat President seat from Suwaguri in Assam's Biswanath district by a margin of 240 votes.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/r ... 2018-12-14

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Post by crams » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:43 am

Guys, as dumb howling jack ass as Pappu is, lets not underestimate the smart slaves he has at his disposal who can work the Congoon ecosystem like a toy. Just through attacking ModiJi with no substance they have put him and BJP on the defensive. Thus, slogans like "Chowkidar Chor Hai" are designed to influence the uneducated gullible masses by repeating this epithet over and over again. Now, imagine if ModiJi retorts with Sonia Gandhi chorni hai, the same ecosystem will badger ModiJi for "hate". Women feminist bimbos will pile on him. But he has to hit back or else this SC judgement is an opportunity gone waste to seize the corruption narrative and drive from the front foot.

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Post by Mort Walker » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:32 am

crams wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:43 am
Guys, as dumb howling jack ass as Pappu is, lets not underestimate the smart slaves he has at his disposal who can work the Congoon ecosystem like a toy. Just through attacking ModiJi with no substance they have put him and BJP on the defensive. Thus, slogans like "Chowkidar Chor Hai" are designed to influence the uneducated gullible masses by repeating this epithet over and over again. Now, imagine if ModiJi retorts with Sonia Gandhi chorni hai, the same ecosystem will badger ModiJi for "hate". Women feminist bimbos will pile on him. But he has to hit back or else this SC judgement is an opportunity gone waste to seize the corruption narrative and drive from the front foot.
From Ajai Shukla's tweet:
Respite for the BJP @BJP4India, three days after its election debacle. Today the Supreme Court — in a thoroughly flawed judgment — dismissed petitions seeking a CBI inquiry into the Rafale deal. Instead, three judges with no tech or military knowledge, cleared deal on all counts
Then one of the replies:
Han bhai Judges lack Technical knowledge aur isne Aeronautical engineering Rahul Gandhi ke saath padhi thi
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Post by Mort Walker » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:37 am

I've been finding out there are a lot closet Kangressi kangaroos all over including some near relatives who always appeared pro Hindu BJP, but reality was otherwise. In 2014 they kept quiet and said all nice things about Modi, but now the knives have come out.

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Post by Aditya_V » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:10 am

+1, this is the truth, many of the so called Hindus pretendedin 2014 were always pro INC and now also find excuses in TN to support DMK INC and they are masters at the game, like some commie will post wash basin in TN is only vegetarians- take a pic and circulate in Media ignoring rapes and murders in TN.

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Post by JohnTitor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:47 am

As far as I'm concerned these are not Hindus, just because you are both and given a Hindu name doesn't make you a Hindu. You need to protect the dharma, even if it means doing what would be considered "wrong".. these as requested nothing more than wannabes trying to ape the white man, for which they will be given a few peanuts.

The "Hindus" are dhimmified and will slowly be eliminated.. and they have noone but themselves to blame.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:09 am

Mort Walker wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:37 am
I've been finding out there are a lot closet Kangressi kangaroos all over including some near relatives who always appeared pro Hindu BJP, but reality was otherwise. In 2014 they kept quiet and said all nice things about Modi, but now the knives have come out.
What is the reason that they are pro congress. Is it ideology or some benefits they expect from congress?

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Post by Aditya_V » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:21 am

Main reason is educational and mass media indorctination

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Post by Vikas » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:52 am

So till now, What we have learnt on this forum is:
1. If you don't vote for BJP, you are a closet Congressi and worse even a Non-Hindu
2. BJP lost 3 states, Damn!! Restrict voting rights to only Tax payers
3. Everyone watches TV debates and gets influenced by aggressive Macho Opposition spokesperson while nice and sweet BJP spokesperson are bullied and can't fight fire with fire
4. Media is sold out to Congress and BJP has no control over the media and narrative
5. Abrahamics essentially have no patriotism and are focused only in increasing their population
6. A lot of people who voted for BJP essentially are congress supporters
7. Most of the voters are corrupt, lazy, free loaders and interested in freebies only
8. Development doesn't get you votes, Ram Temple and UCC would
9. DeMo and GST were the greatest financial exercise in the world and if you find fault with it, then "Kitna gaya" and somehow you don't want to participate in nations progress
10. Every new tax Payee is basically hating Modi
11. A Shah and Modi are magicians who can never lose election and to Congress, Impossible

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Post by Supratik » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:49 am

You have to bribe the poor and lower class voters again to offset the loss in trader votes. This is the reality of the Indian electorate and the legacy of soc-sec who have kept the pop poor and struggling for survival. Modi likes to create assets rather than bribe but I don't see any other way for his re-election.

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