The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:01 pm

Primus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 am
BIF are deeply entrenched in the system. Heard something very disturbing recently.
BIF is really real! I am now seeing folks who were colleagues/room mates (at that time in a really secular way), now becoming extremely anti-Hindu and also anti-Modi. And all of them suddenly have lot of love & faith in our judiciary as well. And this is actually within a time span of last 4 years (or after the fall of the Nehru-Ghandi regime). Which also means that there are lots of people who really hate the regime change ;).

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Post by vishvak » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:35 pm

I think it's more related to image engineering where option no 3 looks better than - original v/s strawman - w.r.t. certain viewpoints (only).

In Kashmir, the entire pandit population was hit.

We seem to have not clarified our strategic interests right at the beginning of independence, thereby giving leeway to viewpoints that made their way into constitution (propagation of 'religion') or were outright absent (Uniform Civil Code).

Just see how Hindu Swamy Aseemanand was arrested, or for that matter Shankaracharya on Diwali, as compared to padree out on bail already and now key witness stands murdered. Not much bruhaha except token sound bites against one padree - un-comparable to an entire moment dealt with high handedness.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by JohnTitor » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:42 pm

I think people are confusing RSS as a Hindu organisation instead of acknowledging it as a national organisation.

I have many relatives who have worked for RSS, they all say the same. The reason you can't find any "proof" is that they are not a "Hindu" org.

RSS does a lot of good for the nation, but one should not expect them to work for Hindu causes. They have never said they are a Hindu org.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:26 pm

vishvak wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:35 pm
We seem to have not clarified our strategic interests right at the beginning of independence, thereby giving leeway to viewpoints that made their way into constitution (propagation of 'religion') or were outright absent (Uniform Civil Code).
I don't know how many of our "leaders" after Independence even knew what "strategy" meant. When the communal riots happened during partition Nehru & Patel had to approach Mountbatten for suggesting a strategy ;). Nehru & Co were all essentially British people at heart, and don't think had any different view of India which the Brits already had. A British Viceroy replaced by an Indian "king" (Nehru-Ghandi clan) and the same babus.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by la.khan » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:14 pm

Hot off the presses :)
Enforcement Directorate raids Amnesty International's India office in Bengaluru over alleged FEMA violations
The security agencies alleged that modus operandi of using FDI route to funnel the foreign fund was carried out in a bid to evade Foreign Contribution Regulation Act (FCRA) that monitors receipt and expenditure of donations moving into NGOs operating in India from foreign sources.
Mussay, this is a good move, never too late :twisted:

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Rahul M » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:45 pm

Primus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 am
BIF are deeply entrenched in the system. Heard something very disturbing recently. A top school in Delhi has special classes for their students starting in the fifth grade where they are taught anti-national activities. They are shown pictures of Indian soldiers and brainwashed into believing that these are evil people, that the Indian government is indulging in criminal activities etc. There are debates in school where the topic may be something like 'India should not be a democracy' or 'Modi is a dictator' and only speakers for the motion are permitted to speak, there is absolutely NO student allowed to speak against the motion. The principal runs the school as a personal fiefdom, transferring or firing any teacher who objects.

Does anybody know anything about this sort of stuff going on? Apparently this is one of the top 10 'International' schools.
why circle round and round about the topic in stead of simply naming the school ?

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Post by Indrad » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:58 pm

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/rafale ... backfiring

Rafale, CBI: How Modi’s Personalised Anti-Corruption Campaign Is Backfiring

At the very least, it shows that corruption cannot be stopped through a mere personal crusade, or through bold gambles like demonetisation that grab headlines for a while but ultimately fail to move the needle on societal attitudes towards the menace. It is a pity, for few prime ministers have done more to tackle corruption than Narendra Modi, but all that is now gone down the drain when the institutional mechanisms to sustain the fight are missing. If the CBI is seen as the handmaiden of the government, and given the latest developments, where both Director Alok Verma and his deputy, Special Director Rakesh Asthana, have been asked to proceed on leave pending investigations into their allegations against each other, the conclusion people will come to is that the CBI is itself steeped in corruption. All the good work it may have done in the cases against Karti Chidambaram or the Sarada scam or Lalu Yadav’s fodder thievery may now be seen as pure political vendetta.

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Post by Supratik » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:20 pm

I disagree. It was a swift decision to remove them before they do further damage to CBI.

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Post by Primus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:21 pm

Rahul M wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:45 pm
Primus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 am
BIF are deeply entrenched in the system. Heard something very disturbing recently. A top school in Delhi has special classes for their students starting in the fifth grade where they are taught anti-national activities. They are shown pictures of Indian soldiers and brainwashed into believing that these are evil people, that the Indian government is indulging in criminal activities etc. There are debates in school where the topic may be something like 'India should not be a democracy' or 'Modi is a dictator' and only speakers for the motion are permitted to speak, there is absolutely NO student allowed to speak against the motion. The principal runs the school as a personal fiefdom, transferring or firing any teacher who objects.

Does anybody know anything about this sort of stuff going on? Apparently this is one of the top 10 'International' schools.
why circle round and round about the topic in stead of simply naming the school ?
It has the word 'Blue' in its name. That's all I can say for now.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Primus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:33 pm

Indrad wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:58 pm
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/rafale ... backfiring

Rafale, CBI: How Modi’s Personalised Anti-Corruption Campaign Is Backfiring

At the very least, it shows that corruption cannot be stopped through a mere personal crusade, or through bold gambles like demonetisation that grab headlines for a while but ultimately fail to move the needle on societal attitudes towards the menace. It is a pity, for few prime ministers have done more to tackle corruption than Narendra Modi, but all that is now gone down the drain when the institutional mechanisms to sustain the fight are missing. If the CBI is seen as the handmaiden of the government, and given the latest developments, where both Director Alok Verma and his deputy, Special Director Rakesh Asthana, have been asked to proceed on leave pending investigations into their allegations against each other, the conclusion people will come to is that the CBI is itself steeped in corruption. All the good work it may have done in the cases against Karti Chidambaram or the Sarada scam or Lalu Yadav’s fodder thievery may now be seen as pure political vendetta.
We can indulge in any amount of intellectual measurebation but what matters in the end is the perception in the mind of the voter. I have no means to assess this and I doubt any agency is capable of obtaining real data in 'peacetime'. I know the television debates and 'breaking news' shows are mostly rubbish with the same old shrill arguments from the opposition and the cacophony is unbearable. However, what is interesting is the list of comments following any such YT posting. Bar the obvious Peaceful names, greater than 90% of comments are highly critical of the BIF gang and the Congoons. Granted, this is hardly scientific and there is bias inherent in such a conclusion. Yet, it is quite revealing what the mango abdul is thinking and feels about Modi and his efforts to improve the lot of the masses.

It is mind-boggling to me that anybody with any education and intellect can still support the Congoons unless he was a direct beneficiary of the previous regime. Sadly there are many who still believe Modi and the BJP are 'too right wing' and 'too pro-Hindu'.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Indrad » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:22 pm

whether we believe it or not CBI vs CBI has done some damage to Modi's image. He is not being accused of corruption (not yet) by sane people but being accused of letting situation go out of control (incapability).
Verma vs Asthana (incidentally both originally from Bihar) issue has been blowing up since 8 months at least, to the extent Verma has been preventing Asthana from taking over cases, charges.
Interestingly when Verma was appointed head of CBI , congress & commies opposed it , but it looks like in due course of time he was lured into the secular camp.
Asthana is known to PM and was planted as spl director by PMO .
why was this issue was allowed to grow into monstrous proportion is unknown.

Please do not underestimate power of presstitutes & paid media, they still control narrative. SM is only partly countering it.
MSM narrative is also picked & shared on whatsapp etc.

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Post by Indrad » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:25 pm

regarding IB people getting arrested and thrashed by Verma's PSO cos they were based out of his home will boom rang on Verma.
IB people can be based any where as long they are not in your home. Janpath area is sensitive, Verma lives there , IB has every right to sanitise the area.
DPolice already has filed FIR of abducting PB sleuths.

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Post by Indrad » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:26 pm

finally Raga has to be a buffoon to comment that Verma was going to order Rafale investigation. This means Verma is in cahoot with congress and disclosing top secret information.

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Post by hanumadu » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:19 pm

Why is Modi still not campaigning in the poll bound states? Chattisgarh is barely 2 weeks away. The other states are not far away either.
He really needs to focus on Rajasthan.

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Post by Primus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:06 pm

Right now the CBI saga reminds me of the old 'Spy vs Spy' cartoons. However, I suspect Asthana will be brought back once the storm dies down and there is concrete evidence against Verma. Modi is not going to sit idle while the biggest investigative agency in the country becomes the laughing stock of the nation. While the picture looks very murky right now, my gut feeling tells me that it will all be sorted out well before the elections next year and we may have some big fish caught in the net. Imagine if Mallya or Nirav Modi are brought back and their sponsors finally revealed. That would be a huge win for the BJP in the battle of perception.

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Post by la.khan » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:31 am

Awesome if true :twisted: BTW, why can't this guy continue as CBI director permanently?
Rao has also been working with various organizations on causes such as freeing temples from state control, scrapping laws that “favour the minority and discriminate against Hindus” and lobbying the government for a ban on beef exports that these groups believe is necessary to maintain the “cultural fabric of the country,” said people who know him well.
Rao is said to have been among the seven key people who helped formulate the Charter of Key Hindu Demands that was issued by a group of activists and scholars on September 23 and which they said would be presented to the Prime Minister soon.
Read more here: M Nageswara Rao: New CBI boss a champion of 'Hindu causes'

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Post by Rahul M » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:03 am

such a junior ranked officer wont be charged with the CBI for a permanent tenure. moreover, govt. has very little legal leeway to dismiss verma unless the LOP or CJI agrees. verma retires in 2 months, most likely the govt. will wait for that time and then bring someone in from outside that dept who has a spotless image. for likely candidates look for officers who have already attained DGP level or will do so by december in BJP ruled states or on central deputation, which would mean PM and co will have a good idea of their character and conduct.

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Post by chetak » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:13 am

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Best solution to Shabarimala is to appoint Bishop Franco Mulakkal as Tantri.*Even ladies beyond 60 will be scared to come to Shabarimala!*

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Post by chetak » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:16 am

Indrad wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:26 pm
finally Raga has to be a buffoon to comment that Verma was going to order Rafale investigation. This means Verma is in cahoot with congress and disclosing top secret information.

Do prashant bushan, shourie yeshwant sinha and pappu think that the CBI has the powers to investigate any case on its own??

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Post by Triank » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:47 am

la.khan wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:14 pm
Hot off the presses :)
Enforcement Directorate raids Amnesty International's India office in Bengaluru over alleged FEMA violations
The security agencies alleged that modus operandi of using FDI route to funnel the foreign fund was carried out in a bid to evade Foreign Contribution Regulation Act (FCRA) that monitors receipt and expenditure of donations moving into NGOs operating in India from foreign sources.
Mussay, this is a good move, never too late :twisted:
some paanwaalas telling, bekaar achmed patel hid & locked himself in ladies-washroom during the raids

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Post by Triank » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:51 am

chetak wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:16 am
Indrad wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:26 pm
finally Raga has to be a buffoon to comment that Verma was going to order Rafale investigation. This means Verma is in cahoot with congress and disclosing top secret information.

Do prashant bushan, shourie yeshwant sinha and pappu think that the CBI has the powers to investigate any case on its own??
forget that. the same pradushan had earlier opposed the appointment of the same verma!

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Post by Triank » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:19 am

Primus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:21 pm
Rahul M wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:45 pm
Primus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 am
BIF are deeply entrenched in the system. Heard something very disturbing recently. A top school in Delhi has special classes for their students starting in the fifth grade where they are taught anti-national activities. They are shown pictures of Indian soldiers and brainwashed into believing that these are evil people, that the Indian government is indulging in criminal activities etc. There are debates in school where the topic may be something like 'India should not be a democracy' or 'Modi is a dictator' and only speakers for the motion are permitted to speak, there is absolutely NO student allowed to speak against the motion. The principal runs the school as a personal fiefdom, transferring or firing any teacher who objects.

Does anybody know anything about this sort of stuff going on? Apparently this is one of the top 10 'International' schools.
why circle round and round about the topic in stead of simply naming the school ?
It has the word 'Blue' in its name. That's all I can say for now.
'bluebells'?! ofc you wouldnt affirm

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Indrad » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:27 am

#Kerala police have arrested total 2061 people and registered 452 cases across the state so far in connection with violence against the entry of women of all ages in #SabarimalaTemple

how to counter this? Is ordinance from modi govt an option scuttling SC diktat?

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Post by Sachin » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:04 am

Indrad wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:27 am
#Kerala police have arrested total 2061 people and registered 452 cases across the state so far in connection with violence against the entry of women of all ages in #SabarimalaTemple
Not to panic unnecessarily. 2061 arrested and around 1900 odd people "released on station bail". The word "arrested" is deliberately given importance to make people that they all are being put in jails. Man, Kerala's central prisons and sub jails are already over crowded. Think about 2061 more just landing on one more day; and then police also have to escort them to courts for hearing? :). The 150 odd people have been sent on judicial remand mainly based on video evidence of them damaging buses and police vehicles. Looks like the Hindu organisations clearly know about this "arrest & then sent on station bail" routine.
how to counter this? Is ordinance from modi govt an option scuttling SC diktat?
I think the state has to take the initiative (passing a resolution etc.), and then work along side Central Govt. to come with an ordinance. That was what happened in the Jallikattu case in TN. Kerala Governor have met Home Minister Rajnath Singh and gave report on the L&O problems etc. I am sure that Rajnath would have got his own report from the intelligence agencies as well. So the central govt. is appraised of the situation, but they are now not revealing any plans.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:39 am

Someone pls explain why NM is not reacting to Ayyappa temple issue.
With his silence, atleast for me he has lost some of his sheen. Sadly The most chatty guy is unable to utter a word while we Hindus are being treated like Aurangzeb treated us.

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