The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:55 am

Looks like it is "normal business" in KA for the time being..

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:14 am

Sachin wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:27 am
Supratik wrote:The Communist strength in JNU is weakening. They had to form a Left alliance to defeat the ABVP. Meanwhile, the Tripura panchayat election has been won by the BJP almost uncontested CPIM/TMC style.
In the communist heaven of KL, the media was deliberately tom-tomming the commie victory at JNU while;
1. Clearly ignoring the drubbing the commies were getting in Tripura, local govt. body elections (far serious than JNU)
2. Even at JNU this was a commie of every hue & cry v/s ABVP which contested alone.

But all said and done it would take at least another 5-10 year of "communal" rule to get the commies completely out of picture in India.

crams wrote:Sad to see an ex army guy like Ajay Shukla become such a paid propagandist for Pappu and Queen madam

After observing the forces for quite some time, I now don't keep any "extra respect" to the officer class of the forces. There are good and bad apples, just like any where else. Was'nt an IAF officer of Air Chief Marshall rank now accused of bribery (of crores) in the Augusta Westland Scam? Corruption is there in the forces, and there is also politics in play as well.





crams wrote:Sad to see an ex army guy like Ajay Shukla become such a paid propagandist for Pappu and Queen madam
This shooklaw creep was once married to maneka gandhi's sister, since divorced and now reportedly married to a journo.

One of his close relatives is a key aide of the mafia Q and is a high-level family flunkey and an entrenched lootyens fixture. Name is probably mentioned in the national herald scam, if am not mistaken.

Is it any wonder that this creep is a family bootlicker and propagandist??.

He was all set to become an arms dealer/middleman when this govt literally cut him off at the knees and banned him from the MoD.

After that, he has invested heavily in burnol stock/shares so as to get a concession on bulk purchases of burnol.

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:27 am

dhimmi is as dhimmi does. jiziya under another name. and that too in a BJP ruled state.

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Property gift by a Muslim won’t require registration in Maharashtra

Property gift by a Muslim won’t require registration in Maharashtra

The BJP government in Maharashtra has stated that a gift of an immovable property, whether oral or written, under the Muslim law will be considered as a valid one, even if the deed in this regard has not been registered.


A gift of an immovable property by a Muslim will not need registration in Maharashtra. It will be applicable to all gifts executed as per the Mohammedan Law, including cases where the gifting has been carried out orally.

The BJP government in Maharashtra has stated that a gift of an immovable property, whether oral or written, under the Muslim law will be considered as a valid one, even if the deed in this regard has not been registered. Confirming the move, government sources said that the state’s revenue department will now issue directives to tahsildar and district level revenue department officials across Maharashtra, asking them to take even the valid but unregistered gift deed under the Mohammedan Law on record while mutating property records.
Simultaneously, officials from the stamps and registrations cell of the department would be given directives, asking them not to insist on payment of stamp duty and registration fees on such gifts.

Even as the Transfer of Property Act (1882) and the Maharashtra Stamp Act (1958) mandate the registration of a gift, the Maharashtra government has cited a 2015 ruling of the Nagpur bench of the Bombay High Court to rule that the condition was not to be applied in the case of the Muslim donor. Citing provisions of the Mohammedan Law, the court had earlier ruled the condition should not be applied to a Muslim donor gifting his property under provisions of the Mohammedan Law. “There is no provision in the TP Act (1882) for levying stamp duty on oral gift made by any Mohammedan of sound mind, in favour of the donee,” the court had earlier said, while hearing an individual petition where a donor had challenged levying of the stamp duty by government officials.


Citing the same court order, the government has also stated that “a gift under the Mohammedan Law” need not be through a written instrument. It can be oral as long as it is accompanied by a declaration of gift by the donor, acceptance of the gift by the donee, and the delivery of possession of the property.

Gifting of a property under the Mohammedan Law is referred to as ‘Hiba’. While the gifting instrument is called ‘Hibanama’.
On the basis of the court’s ruling, the department had first sought the law department’s opinion in this regard, which consented to the move. “The legal position that emerges is that a gift under the Mohammedan Law can be oral and need not be registered, a written instrument of the gift does not require registration under all circumstances, and a gift to valid under the Mohammedan Law must conform to three essentials. i.e. Declaration, Acceptance, and Delivery of Possession,” the law department had advised. The government has said that the decision will also apply to gifts executed in the past. Minister of State (Revenue) Sanjay Rathod has confirmed the initiative.

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:38 am

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:57 am

India excludes Huawei and ZTE from 5G trials

By Jung Min-ho

India excludes Huawei and ZTE from 5G trials.

India has excluded Huawei and ZTE from participating in trials to speed up 5G technology in the country amid security concerns surrounding the Chinese telecoms equipment providers.

Local media reported Friday that the Department of Telecommunications has asked Samsung, Cisco, Ericsson and Nokia to be project partners for the trials.

"We have excluded Huawei from these trials," the Economic Times, an Indian business daily, quoted telecom secretary Aruna Sundararajan as saying.

The paper reported that the department also did not reach out to ZTE.

India's government is planning to showcase India-specific 5G use cases by early 2019.

On the same day, SK Telecom, Korea's No. 1 mobile operator, said it has selected Samsung, Ericsson and Nokia as its preferred bidders for 5G equipment over Huawei.

All this comes after the United States and Australia acted against the Chinese companies due to cyber-espionage concerns.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:15 am

chetak wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:27 am
dhimmi is as dhimmi does. jiziya under another name. and that too in a BJP ruled state.
I certainly am confused about this Fadnavis chap. MH govt went hammer & tongs against the "Urban Naxals", and then we here these kind of special legal loop holes given to minorities. Don't know who much of a BJP party man is this person.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Chandragupta » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:45 am

Sachin wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:27 am

crams wrote:Sad to see an ex army guy like Ajay Shukla become such a paid propagandist for Pappu and Queen madam
After observing the forces for quite some time, I now don't keep any "extra respect" to the officer class of the forces. There are good and bad apples, just like any where else. Was'nt an IAF officer of Air Chief Marshall rank now accused of bribery (of crores) in the Augusta Westland Scam? Corruption is there in the forces, and there is also politics in play as well.

+1

Not to mention the ex Cmdr. Uday Bhaskar father of the shameless cheerleader for anti-national gang and ex Admiral Ramdas. Even their wives, daughters are out & out anti-nationals.

More respect is due to the non-officer class who lay down their lives on a daily basis & raise their kids as hardcore patriots.

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:49 am

Difficult to find a customer who agrees with what T Suvarna Raju says.

If what he says is true, then why did the current incumbent not open his mouth??

In the end, its all down to "woulda coulda shoulda", and not what he did when he was actually in the chair.

HAL could have built Rafale jets in India, says former boss

This is the first time anyone from the state-owned aircraft maker HAL has publicly commented on the questions around the Rafale deal.

Sep 20, 2018
Rahul Singh
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A Rafale fighter aircraft flys during the inauguration of the 11th biennial edition of Aero India 2017 in Bengaluru.


State-run plane maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) could have built Rafale fighters in India had the government managed to close the original negotiations with Dassault and had actually signed a work-share contract with the French company, said T Suvarna Raju, who was heading HAL till three weeks ago. He questioned why the Union government was not putting out the files in public.

He admitted that HAL may not have been able to build the planes at the desired “cost-per-piece”, one of the reasons why that deal fell through, but insisted that the company has the ability to make advanced fighters.

A former air chief, however, said making the Rafale would have been a challenge for the public sector undertaking.

“When HAL can build a 25-tonne Sukhoi-30, a fourth-generation fighter jet that forms the mainstay of the air force, from raw material stage, then what are we talking about? We could have definitely done it (licence produced the Rafale jets),” said Raju, who retired on September 1.

This is the first time anyone from the state-owned aircraft maker has publicly commented on the questions around the deal.

His comments come even as the politics around the Rafale deal show no signs of dying down.

The government and the Congress have been trading charges over the controversial Rs 59,000-crore purchase almost every day. On Tuesday, defence minister Niramala Sitharaman said HAL was “dropped” from the deal when the UPA was in power, because it couldn’t agree on terms of production with Dassault.

The NDA government’s decision to enter into a government-to-government deal with France to buy 36 Rafale warplanes was announced in April 2015 with the deal signed a little over a year later. This replaced the UPA regime’s decision to buy 126 Rafale aircraft, 108 of which were to be made in India by HAL using parts imported from France.

Raju said HAL had maintained the Mirage-2000 aircraft, manufactured by Rafale maker Dassault Aviation, for the last 20 years.

It was also involved in the complex Mirage upgrade programme.

“We would have delivered on the Rafale too. I was the leader of the technical team for five years and everything had been sorted out,” said Raju. On questions related to the cost of India-assembled Rafales being higher, one of the reasons why the UPA could not conclude the negotiations, Raju said making military platforms in India is always a strategic decision and it’s not always about the immediate cost.

“You have to see the life-cycle costs and not the cost per piece of a fighter. Life-cycle costs would have definitely been cheaper. And ultimately it’s about self reliance. There is a learning curve. If the French are making 100 jets in says 100 hours, I will take 200 hours as I am doing it for the first time. I can’t do it in 80 hours. It’s a scientific process,” he said.

He also added that HAL would have been happy to give a guarantee for the aircraft it produced. “Dassault and HAL had signed the mutual work-share contract and given it to the government. Why don’t you ask the government to put the files out in public? The files will tell you everything. If I build the planes, I will guarantee them,” he said.

The earlier deal also fell through because Dassault could not guarantee that HAL would deliver the aircraft it was assembling on time. There was a huge disparity between the time Dassault thought it should take HAL to make the planes in India, and the time HAL said it would take.

Air Chief Marshal AY Tipnis, a former IAF chief, said building Rafales in India would have been a challenging task for the HAL though not impossible with transfer of manufacturing technology from France. “The fact is HAL has not performed to the level it could have. It promises more than it can deliver and quality of work has been substandard in many cases. It has also backtracked on its promises.”

Pricing and guarantee had become intractable problems as pointed out by defence minister Nirmala Sithraman on several occasions, said a defence ministry official, who asked not to be identified.

The NDA government and the Congress locked horns over the controversial Rs 59,000-crore Rafale deal on Tuesday, with Sitharaman asserting that HAL lost out on the chance to build the warplanes because of the UPA regime and former defence minister AK Antony accusing Sitharaman of suppressing facts.

The Rafale deal has become controversial with the opposition, led by the Congress, claiming that the price at which India is buying Rafale aircraft now is Rs 1,670 crore for each, three times the Rs 526 crore, the initial bid by the company when the UPA was trying to buy the aircraft. It has also claimed the previous deal included a technology transfer agreement with HAL. The NDA has not disclosed details of the price, but the UPA deal, struck in 2012, was not a viable one, former defence minister Manohar Parrikar has previously said, implying that it would have never been closed and that, therefore, any comparison is moot. The NDA has said that the current deal also includes customized weaponry.

The deal has also become controversial on account of the fact that one of the offset deals signed by Dassault is with the Reliance Group of Anil Ambani. The Congress claims the earlier deal was scrapped and a new one signed just to provide Ambani this opportunity for an offset deal. Both the government and Reliance have repeatedly denied this. Sniffing an electoral opportunity in the Rafale deal, the Congress has been keeping up the heat on the government through events across the country.

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:49 am

The amerikis and the french not wanting to "risk" partnering with HAL also ensured that tens of thousands of aviation jobs would be retained in their own respective countries to benefit their own workers and economies.


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On the former HAL Chief T Raju's remark, that HAL could have built Rafale jets - yes, what he says should be taken seriously.

But what he DOESN'T say should be taken seriously as well, that EVEN DURING the UPA tenure, Dassault DID NOT want to partner HAL. https://www.thequint.com/news/india/raf ... ty-control



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Rafale Deal: Dassault, US Ex-Envoy Flagged HAL’s Quality Control


Rafale Deal: Dassault, US Ex-Envoy Flagged HAL’s Quality control


CHANDAN NANDY
22.11.17

The stalemate between the Indian government and French aircraft manufacturing company Dassault over the supply of 126 fourth-generation Rafale fighter jets, was not so much because of pricing as much as the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s (HAL) competence to deliver on quality, top Indian Air Force sources have revealed to The Quint.
Two reports by the then American ambassador to India Timothy Roemer and teams of specialists from Dassault, raised critical questions about low quality standards at the HAL, and constitute the likely reason behind the Narendra Modi government’s decision to let Anil Ambani’s Reliance Defence seal the deal with the French aircraft manufacturing major.
Also Read: Shameful Your Boss is Silencing You on Rafale: Rahul to Sitharaman

“HAL Not Competent to Partner With”

Defence Ministry sources said that Roemer and Dassault, as well as top IAF officers, agree that quality would have been compromised had the HAL been the Indian partner of the French manufacturer.

Roemer’s confidential report to the then US administration under President Barack Obama, just before his tenure as ambassador ended in 2011, said in clear terms that the HAL was not competent to be a partner of either of the two American companies – Boeing and Lockheed Martin – that were keen to bid for India’s medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), purely because it did not meet the quality standards the two US giants sought.

After some French government officials were able to “lay their hands” on Roemer’s report, Dassault executives and specialists sought permission from the Defence Ministry, then under the stewardship of AK Antony of the Congress-led UPA, to visit HAL’s factory in Nashik where the Russian Sukhoi-30 fighter jets were being produced at the time.

“Dassault Couldn’t Risk Global Reputation”

Once permission was granted, based on Dassault’s study of HAL’s Nashik facility the French government conveyed their displeasure over quality control once it was discovered that there were production-related problems over the manufacture of the SU-30s. Dassault’s conclusion was that the company “could not risk its global reputation” by partnering with the HAL, as the latter’s production facilities in Nashik were “in shambles,” according to top IAF sources.

Dassault submitted its report to the French government in early 2014.

The IAF sources said that at the time, Antony reacted sharply and took the stand that the French government could not change its decision on the Rafale aircraft.

However, the UPA government had little option in the face of Roemer and Dassault’s “scathing” reports.

The sources recalled that talks between the French and Indian governments for the supply of 36 fighter aircraft began a year after the Modi government assumed power in May 2014. By that time, the acquisition of 126 MMRCA aircraft was in a “logjam” primarily because of the HAL’s quality issues.

In April 2015, there was a government-to-government in-principle decision that India would purchase 36 Rafale aircraft in “fly away” condition, and that there would be no manufacturing in India. The final contract was signed in September 2016, with an exclusive clause that there would be no technology transfer to India.

First Published: 20.11.17

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:05 am

Chandragupta wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:45 am
Sachin wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:27 am

crams wrote:Sad to see an ex army guy like Ajay Shukla become such a paid propagandist for Pappu and Queen madam
After observing the forces for quite some time, I now don't keep any "extra respect" to the officer class of the forces. There are good and bad apples, just like any where else. Was'nt an IAF officer of Air Chief Marshall rank now accused of bribery (of crores) in the Augusta Westland Scam? Corruption is there in the forces, and there is also politics in play as well.

+1

Not to mention the ex Cmdr. Uday Bhaskar father of the shameless cheerleader for anti-national gang and ex Admiral Ramdas. Even their wives, daughters are out & out anti-nationals.

More respect is due to the non-officer class who lay down their lives on a daily basis & raise their kids as hardcore patriots.

Chandragupta ji,

glad to get that bile off your chest??

Besh, good show.

The IA probably has the highest officer to non officer combat casualties and fatalities ratio in the world and that's because the IA officers and senior non officers lead from the front. This is a much valued position of pride, honour and commitment and also sadly, a difficult position, a position willingly and eagerly accepted and a very responsible position from which many do not return.

The last time I checked, none of these guys, officers and non officers, were holding their breath, waiting to hear from you.

They were quietly going about their sworn duties, as indeed they should.

IIRC, their oath reads "........, even unto the peril of my life."

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:55 am

In-A-Jam Solution

How game changed, calling for new plan


In-A-Jam Solution

How game changed, calling for new plan


VAIJU NARAVANE, 27 APRIL 2015

In-A-Jam Solution

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to France was not entirely negative for sure. But many are looking at the two major deals announced—outright purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets, and the l&t-Areva agreement for constructing the epr nuclear reactors at Jaitapur in Maha­rashtra—as unmitigated dis­as­ters.

The IAF has been thrown a juicy bone with the government-to-government acquisition of 36 Rafale jets. But this will materialise only two years down the line even if India is quick to sign the contract. Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s much-vaunted ‘Make in India’ policy, however, suffers a major setback. For Dassault Aviation, though, it’s a thumping victory.

For over three years, the contract for buying 126 Rafale jets had been foundering. In France, the reputation of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) is rock-bottom. French defence majors who have worked with HAL describe it as “unprofessional and unreliable in the extreme”. The original plan was to buy 18 aircraft in ready-to-fly condition. HAL was to produce 108 more under licence in India. But Dassault refused to take responsibility for planes manufactured by HAL. Besides, there were disputes over pricing: an off-the-shelf purchase will cost India much more per aircraft than if the original deal had gone through. The actual transfer of technology will be limited and the outright purchase lets Dassault off the hook on that score. French sources place the value of this purchase at over Euro 5.5 billion. Dassault CEO Eric Trappier and his colleagues will be laughing their way to the bank.

Modi’s much-vaunted ‘Make in India’ policy suffers a huge setback. Dassault, however, strikes a Rs 50,000-crore deal.

At one time, India had the French aviation giant in a squeeze. The French defence ministry had curtailed its order for Rafales from 11 aircraft per year to just 26 over the next six years. Dassault badly needed the oxygen of foreign sales. India thought it could press the company for an even better deal: but there comes a point beyond which negotiations stall. The IAF badly needs the fighters: the government should have been careful not to push to the brink. On February 12, France announced the sale of 24 Rafales to Egypt, to be bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Now, Dassault was in a dramatically better bargaining position. No longer did it have to accommodate New Delhi’s manoeuvring over prices or over manufacturing by HAL. Dassault could afford to drag out the negotiations.

In India, pressure was building up. Paris told New Delhi that failure of the Rafale contract could seriously dent Indo-French relations. The IAF, realising the deal could collapse, raised the ante. And French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian made three trips to Delhi between December and March. In December, the India defence minister had told Le Drian he would accelerate the process. By February, the tide turned against India. In March, New Delhi told Paris that in the face of Dassault’s newfound intransigence, another urgent solution had to be found—outright purchase. On April 7, French President Francois Hollande and Le Drian discussed and finalised their response to New Delhi. It was kept secret: even HAL chairman and CEO T. Suvarna Raju learnt of the purchase from the newspapers while in Paris.

Insiders in the defence industry say other producers and suppliers would also have been reluctant to accept the global tender route, especially if HAL conditionality was retained. Also, they said, the Indian private sector is not yet equipped to collaborate on high-tech projects such as making sophisticated fighter jets. A specialist defence journalist says, in the short run, Modi’s ‘Make in India’ ambitions are unrealistic.

For India, the relationship with France is crucial. Though a middle-level power, France is a defence major, and can provide high-tech products and services in infrastructure, transport and waste disposal and in the fields of nano, nuclear and space technologies. France is also a permanent member of the un Security Council; New Delhi is counting on French support for its membership bid. But that’s another matter. Many political observers are of the opinion that, given the nature of Paris’s own vested interest in the status quo on UNSC membership and its close ties with Germany, it’s doubtful if France will go the extra mile for India.

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Post by KL Dubey » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:48 pm

chetak wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:55 am
For India, the relationship with France is crucial. Though a middle-level power, France is a defence major, and can provide high-tech products and services in infrastructure, transport and waste disposal and in the fields of nano, nuclear and space technologies. France is also a permanent member of the un Security Council; New Delhi is counting on French support for its membership bid. But that’s another matter. Many political observers are of the opinion that, given the nature of Paris’s own vested interest in the status quo on UNSC membership and its close ties with Germany, it’s doubtful if France will go the extra mile for India.
This is veering off topic, but I think India should at this point demand reform of the UNSC in a time-bound manner.

If that doesn't happen, we should politely scale back our UN commitments by at least 90% and give it nearly zero importance. The UN is a fossilized and useless organization that is stuck in the WW-II and 1950s power structure.

Before that, we should withdraw from the so-called "Commonwealth" since it is another absolutely useless organization.

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Post by Lilo » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:53 pm

RSS and BJP start campaign for NRC in the Bangladesh bordering districts of West Bengal

OpIndia Staff | Reports 2 days ago

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) has kickstarted a campaign for the implementation of National Register of Citizens (NRC) in West Bengal similar to that of Assam to identify and deport illegal Bangladeshi immigrants residing in the state. According to a report in the Economic Times, the RSS and its various frontal organisations have started a statewide awareness campaign in border area districts in the state.

The RSS and its frontal organisations have started the pro-NRC campaign centring their focus on the districts close to the Bangladesh border. The campaign includes door-to-door campaignings to make people aware of the influx of Bangladeshi illegal immigrants and the risk they pose for the state’s demography and economy.

RSS West Bengal Jishnu Basu has stated that the organisation will take all the measures to convince the people of the necessity of NRC in the state. He has added that there is no other way than the NRC to save the state from the influx of Bangladeshi Muslims. The campaign will start from the nine districts that share a border with Bangladesh and eventually spread to all the districts in the state. The RSS has also formed a committee of lawyers who are working of filing petitions in the Kolkata High Court and if needed the Supreme Court attempting to bring legal intervention to implement NRC in the state.

The RSS has also reportedly created training programmes for villagers to educate them about arranging the necessary documents needed to clear the NRC process provided they are originally Indian citizens. Basu has also claimed that the RSS has all the legal documents and evidence necessary to back their claim of demography change in West Bengal. He has added that the reports of the last five or six census data show that the population growth in the border districts has shown a steep rise much higher than the scientific rate of population growth. The rate of population growth in these districts has been in double digits which is alarming.

Basu also reportedly pointed out that while several political parties including the TMC are opposed to the citizenship(amendment) bill 2016, that seeks to provide Indian citizenship to minority religion refugees from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afganistan, where most of the refugees are Hindus, they are vehemently opposed to the implementation of NRC. We will not allow a single Hindu family to become a refugee again.

Kailash Vijayvargiya, BJP’s national general secretary, has also stated that the BJP is also organising small groups of workers to go to people in Mandal level and create awareness about the NRC. He added further that there are over two crores illegal Bangladeshis in West Bengal alone and it is a matter of national security. BJP’s state general secretary Sayantan Basu had stated recently that the party will engage 20,000 people across the 37 organisational districts for the awareness programme.

It is notable here that West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee had been vehemently against the implementation of NRC in Assam. She had even threatened that if the central and state BJP governments are implementing NRC with political motives and there will be civil war and bloodbath in the country of the NRC is implemented. Two TMC leaders from Assam had quit the party after Banerjee’s statements over the issue.

It is notable here that Indian law enforcement agencies and even the Home Ministry have been expressing concerns about the porous border with Bangladesh several Indian states. Many terrorists with links to dreaded terror organisations have been known to have infiltrated into India through the Bangladesh border in West Bengal. Recently the arrested chief of terror outfit JMB, Mohammad Jahidul Islam alias Bomber Miyan, who was arrested for being the mastermind of the Mahabodhi temple explosives case, had revealed that he had infiltrated into India through the West Bengal border and had been actively engaged in recruiting new jihadis and planning attacks in Bengal and Assam.
RSS/BJP throw down the gauntlet for the NRC in Bengal amidst the threats of civil war by Mamta Bano.

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Post by Suraj » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:26 pm

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We have now two undeniable facts on the Mallya escape issue: 1. Look Out Notice was diluted on Oct 24, 2015 from “Block” to “Report” departure enabling Mallya to depart with 54 checked luggage items. 2. Mallya told FM in Central Hall of Parliament that he was leaving for London.

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I may be late posting this, but it's worth pointing out that as of Oct 24 2015, Mallya was STILL a Rajya Sabha MP. He did not resign until mid 2016. It's entirely reasonable for the government to expect a sitting MP to have enough sense to not become a fugitive economic offender.

It's all well to claim in retrospect that GoI should have magically considered Mallya will run off and hide in UK back then, while still running UB, KF etc and still an active MP. How many of us would have also guessed that ?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:38 pm

Chandragupta wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:45 am
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:27 am

crams wrote:Sad to see an ex army guy like Ajay Shukla become such a paid propagandist for Pappu and Queen madam
After observing the forces for quite some time, I now don't keep any "extra respect" to the officer class of the forces. There are good and bad apples, just like any where else. Was'nt an IAF officer of Air Chief Marshall rank now accused of bribery (of crores) in the Augusta Westland Scam? Corruption is there in the forces, and there is also politics in play as well.

+1

Not to mention the ex Cmdr. Uday Bhaskar father of the shameless cheerleader for anti-national gang and ex Admiral Ramdas. Even their wives, daughters are out & out anti-nationals.

More respect is due to the non-officer class who lay down their lives on a daily basis & raise their kids as hardcore patriots.
Uday Bhaskar's wife is Ira Bhaskar, a JNU professor. At least in this case, he may be helpless. The daughter took after her mother, apparently.

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:12 pm

Interesting video. Shri. Mohan ji Bhagwat on Hindutva


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:20 pm

Suraj wrote:
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Not looking good for Jaitley, even Subramanian Swamy is getting on his case.
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We have now two undeniable facts on the Mallya escape issue: 1. Look Out Notice was diluted on Oct 24, 2015 from “Block” to “Report” departure enabling Mallya to depart with 54 checked luggage items. 2. Mallya told FM in Central Hall of Parliament that he was leaving for London.

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I may be late posting this, but it's worth pointing out that as of Oct 24 2015, Mallya was STILL a Rajya Sabha MP. He did not resign until mid 2016. It's entirely reasonable for the government to expect a sitting MP to have enough sense to not become a fugitive economic offender.

It's all well to claim in retrospect that GoI should have magically considered Mallya will run off and hide in UK back then, while still running UB, KF etc and still an active MP. How many of us would have also guessed that ?
His escaping India paves way to confiscate his properties and sell them, even those that were not used for collateral.

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:25 pm

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11.25 p.m (just before midnight) 11th Nov., 2004. This is the date and time of arrest of Kanchi Acharya Jayendra Saraswati. Never forget this time and this picture ! Compare this with the royal treatment being given to Bishop Franco, a rape accused ! AP CM then was Xtian !

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:53 pm

Mayawati may not align with INC for upcoming assembly elections or maybe bargaining hard.

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Post by crams » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:06 pm

Another flip flop from ModiJi on dealing with Pakis by agreeing to talks. His Paki policy is much a joke like that of MMS, his tough talk notwithstanding. There was a glimmer of hope in Aug 2014 when he cut Pakis and their Harried puppets to size on the eve of foreign sec level talks, but since then flip flops that were comical if not tragic. Brahma Chellaney tweets the same:

Vajpayee government helped legitimize Musharraf's military rule by inviting him to Agra. Modi government is now helping to legitimize the military-backed Imran Khan government. It first advanced a Permanent Indus Commission meeting and now agrees to a foreign ministers' meeting.
And my response:

Agree but C realities: US/China pressure, relentless Paki terror & India unable to extract stiff price, 5th column who hate BJP more than Paki army/ISI/LET, shameless public that want to play cricket/B'wood, lobby like @NDTV & retd army officers like @ajaishukla who want talks

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:34 pm

There are no talks. There is a meeting of EAM in a multi-lateral forum.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Suraj » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:39 pm

hanumadu wrote:
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His escaping India paves way to confiscate his properties and sell them, even those that were not used for collateral.
Yes the Fugitive Economic Offenders Act is taking care of that . He hasn't shown up in time to head that off, so right now, the legal logjam isn't about him trying to stop it - it's all his creditors fighting over who gets how much of what.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:44 pm

Supratik wrote:
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There are no talks. There is a meeting of EAM in a multi-lateral forum.
Its just a technicality that are no talks. This is a formal talk between Indian and Paki foreign secs. In international relations, and politics, perception matters, and particularly so in cut throat Indian domestic politics where sedition and treason are considered 'free speech', this move by ModiJi is a bloody disgrace coming a day after after the mutilation of one our jawans. Paki ISI has once again spun a cow web around us, playing on our Sikh fault lines, our opposition traitors, our stupid media etc. I wouldn't do it in front of Paki like our shameless thugbandhan does, but in domestic discourse, I would support responsible opposition leaders who ask some hard questions of ModiJi on this resumption of talks and flip flops.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:58 pm

Supratik wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:53 pm
Mayawati may not align with INC for upcoming assembly elections or maybe bargaining hard.
Bhim Army founder Chandrashekhar who has been in prison since his arrest in June last year, was released from Saharanpur jail early Friday

the release of that "bhim army" guy from prison has set the cat among the pigeons.

He is a dalit and he will cut into the vote banks of many of UP's secular leaders.

It is skating on thin ice time.

he wants to "align" with behenji but she hasn't taken his calls so far.

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