The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Pratyush » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:16 am

Not just the government employees. Nearly every one is looking for revert to pre2014.

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Post by sanjayC » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:58 am

krisna wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:47 pm
Sushma Swaraj got twitter finger happy. yes, a lot of good has happened with her trying to make things move fast. But in this case, surely singed her fingers and mind. She should not have done things which will demoralize her own officers in public. yes, she can praise and appreciate them but not scold them. OTOH, same with public-could have politely mentioned on Twitter -I will look into the matter etc. come back after few hours or 1-2 days and announce her decision.

Nice to get some solid thappad to our twitter minister. Hope she learns from this episode.
Which foreign minister uses Twitter as a primary communication tool to approve visas, upbraid her staff or issue instructions to bureaucrats in full public view? Shows how immature Sushma Swaraj is. She is like a school girl showing off her power.

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Post by Rahul M » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:31 am

Pratyush wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:16 am
Not just the government employees. Nearly every one is looking for revert to pre2014.
if the govt was that unpopular then they would be duly booted out in a democracy with 90%+ vote against them.

so why bother with this thread ?

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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:36 am

This lady is a walking disaster and she wants to become PM.

A legend in her own mind and she also suffers from serious delusions of grandeur.

This is what happens when beedi jehadis from local sanctuaries provided by her sing her praises and she believes the hype. The hans, who were also assiduously cultivating her but after this harsh snub causing serious loss of face to the hans, they will jettison her and look for others to prop up in her place.

Cancellation Of China Trip In A Huff By Mamata Banerjee Embarrasses India

Cancellation Of China Trip In A Huff By Mamata Banerjee Embarrasses India

by Jaideep Mazumdar

Jun 23, 2018,


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Mamata Banerjee was annoyed when her request to meet senior leaders of Communist Party of China was rejected.


Clearly, there were differences between Banerjee’s perception of her own importance at the national level and how the Chinese perceive her.
India has been left red-faced after Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee cancelled a scheduled trip to China on Friday afternoon, hours before she was to have boarded an aircraft to Beijing. Mamata Banerjee was miffed when it appeared that her request for a meeting with senior leaders of the Communist Party of China (CPC) would not be granted. She announced the cancellation in a huff through a series of tweets.

The Bengal Chief Minister was to have gone to China on a eight-day visit under an exchange programme between the Government of India and the international department of the CPC. The programme was initiated in 2004. Chief ministers of many other states have visited China under this programme, but this was the first time that a CM asked for a meeting with top CPC office-bearers.

Though no one would come on record, a senior state government official who was involved in the planning of the trip said that Mamata Banerjee insisted on meeting a member of the CPC's Politburo Standing Committee, the apex body of the party which has the Chinese President and Prime Minister among its seven members. Banerjee felt that only a meeting with a member of the CPC’s highest body would be “in keeping with her role in national politics”. She fancies herself as a prime minister-in-waiting or, at least, one who will prop up a future prime minister of the country and, thus, one with a major role in India’s politics. Clearly, the Chinese do not think so.

This is what Mamata Banerjee said through her tweets on Friday:

“In March this year, the Union Minister of External Affairs had recommended to me to kindly consider leading a delegation to China in the coming months under the Exchange Programme of the Government of India with the International Department of the Communist Party of China.

In response, on April 2, 2018, I appreciated her recommendation for me to lead the delegation to China under the Exchange Programme. I mentioned to her that “since the interest of my country is involved, I wish to visit China sometime during last week of June 2018”.

Thereafter, in pursuance of the letters from Chief Secretary and the Ambassador of India in China, a programme was chalked out, based on which we planned our visit in the coming week.

Till yesterday, everything was going on well, but unfortunately, the Chinese side could not confirm the political meetings at appropriate level as informed by our Ambassador in China.

It has now been intimated by our Ambassador in China that the political meetings at the appropriate level under the Exchange Programme could not be confirmed. Therefore, the purpose of my visit with a delegation to China under the Exchange Programme is of no use.

Although our Ambassador in China had tried his best to make the programme a success, non-confirmation of the political meetings at the appropriate level as proposed by the Indian Ambassador to China, at the last moment, has unfortunately compelled us to cancel the visit.

However, I wish the continuation of the friendship of India and China in the days to come and it should strengthen further in the interest of both the countries.”

The Chinese consulate in Kolkata was quick to respond with a cryptic statement: “The Chinese side was working hard to prepare for the CM’s visit and was still working on the arrangements and remained in contact with the Indian Embassy in China when the cancellation was announced”.

Clearly, there were differences between Mamata Banerjee’s perception of her own importance at the national level and how the Chinese perceive her. Her perception of “political meetings at the appropriate level” does not match that of the Chinese, who felt that a politician at the “appropriate level” for Mamata Banerjee would be the Mayor of Beijing who she was reportedly scheduled to meet. The Mayor of Beijing enjoys the same status as the governor of a province in that country and, hence, the Chinese felt it was appropriate to have the Mayor, Chen Jining, meet Mamata Banerjee.

Also, the Chinese are extremely conscious of protocol, and the CPC, say Indian diplomats who have served in that country, is extremely hide-bound and bureaucratic. “Top Chinese leaders, especially the members of the CPC’s politburo standing committee, will never meet the chief minister of a state. They will meet only the Indian Prime Minister, President, Vice-President or, at most, a very important cabinet minister. For that matter, they don’t meet even Governors of states in the US, posts loosely comparable to that of Indian CMs. It was thus unrealistic of the Bengal CM to expect to be granted meetings with the politburo members,” said a serving IFS officer who had done a stint in Beijing a few years ago.

The reason Mamata was sore over China’s reluctance to grant her request was that it put paid to her plans to showcase such a meeting to assert her importance at the national level. Select mediapersons in Kolkata were reportedly briefed by top Trinamool leaders that Mamata Banerjee would be meeting top Chinese leaders who no other visiting chief minister from India had met. “Mamata Banerjee’s plan was to return and tell everyone that she was given a lot more importance by the Chinese than other CMs who had visited that country because the Chinese recognised her importance. When the Chinese refused to play ball, she realised her visit would yield no political dividends back home and so she cancelled it,” said a prominent lawyer and former Trinamool member who was once close to Mamata Banerjee.

Mamata Banerjee’s desire to meet at least one CPC politburo member was conveyed by Bengal Chief Secretary Malay Kumar De to the Ministry of External Affairs. The matter was then taken up with the Chinese foreign ministry by India’s ambassador to China Gautam Bambawale. The Chinese side reportedly told Bambawale that such an unusual request would be difficult to consider. “We did try to persuade the Chinese to schedule even a short meeting with a Politburo member, but that did not happen. Even on Friday morning (Bengal Chief Secretary) Malay De requested foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale to intervene with the Chinese, and our ambassador was in contact with the Chinese foreign office till Friday afternoon. But Beijing didn’t want to break protocol,” said a senior officer in the South Block. Mamata Banerjee, say some officials in Kolkata, was reportedly ready to settle for a meeting with Chinese Vice-President Wang Qishan, but that also could not be arranged.

Banerjee was to have also met CEOs of major Chinese companies in Beijing and then in Shanghai. The business meet at Shanghai slated for 28 June was being organised jointly by the Bengal government, Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry (FICCI) and the China Council for Promotion of International Trade (CCPIT). A few prominent industrialists from Bengal were scheduled to be present at these business meets with Chinese CEOs, where Mamata Banerjee was to have made a strong pitch for Chinese investments in her state.

The cancellation of the trip has severely embarrassed South Block mandarins. “A lot of work goes in to arrange such official visits. The prestige of the country is also involved and protocol is strictly followed. A visiting dignitary cannot make an unreasonable or unusual request that would be a departure from the protocol of the host country and expect to be humoured. The unilateral cancellation of such a visit, and the way it was announced through a series of tweets, is very embarrassing for us and has never happened before. Even if the Bengal CM was unhappy and wanted to cancel her visit, she should have conveyed heer decision to us (the MEA) and we would have informed the Chinese. That is the way things work. And both sides could have then come up with a mutually acceptable reason for the visit being cancelled. The cancellation of the visit unilaterally by the Bengal CM and the way it was announced also embarrassed the Chinese,” said the serving IFS officer at the MEA.

What South Block did not take into account, however, was Mamata Banerjee’s whimsical and mercurial nature and her propensity to fly into a rage if things don’t work her way.

Jaideep Mazumdar is an associate editor at Swarajya.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:45 am

MEA must move beyond Nehruvian past



MEA must move beyond Nehruvian past

Ravi Shanker Kapoor
June 23, 2018,

Our foreign office must perceive the machinations of pinkish UN tsars and discern the pattern in UN actions.


John O’Sullivan, a British conservative commentator, has a law named after him. O’Sullivan’s First Law says: “All organisations that are not actually Rightwing will over time become Leftwing.” The United Nations has obeyed the law. The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights’ report on Kashmir shows the intensity of transmogrification the world body has undergone.

Its lies and deception—the report refers to terror outfits as “armed groups”—have been widely commented upon in the media. India has rightly trashed it as “fallacious, tendentious and motivated”. But what foreign policy mandarins and experts have missed is the most critical point: the report is part of the Left-liberal enterprise, supported by Islamist and jihad-compliant forces, to malign democratic nations and peddle moral equivalence. Worse, India itself has often played into the hands of such forces.

Consider this: On 13 June, India voted in favour of a UN General Assembly (UNGA) resolution, proposed by Turkey and Algeria, condemning the use of allegedly “excessive” force by Israeli forces against Palestinian civilians in what the UN calls “Occupied Palestinian Territory”. At the same time, it abstained on a US-backed amendment aimed at denouncing violence by Hamas. The latter resolution fell through.

Our foreign office must do more to perceive the machinations of pinkish UN tsars; it must discern the pattern in UN actions; it needs to comprehend the thread running through most UN statements and resolutions. The truth is that the UN relentlessly badgers democracies (especially Israel and the US), turns a blind eye to the worst human rights offenders like Saudi Arabia and China, and peddles moral equivalence.

Anti-Americanism is rampant globally; liberal media and Left-leaning academia intensify it every day. But if India aspires to become a power to reckon with, as it does, it has to do better than follow the herd. It should know how to protect its national interest; and before that, it should know what its national interest is.

India can’t expect the US to goad Pakistan to rein in its jihadist puppets while supporting anti-Israel resolutions and remaining neutral on Washington-sponsored ones. And it’s not just realpolitik; it is also problematic to maintain neutrality over the crimes of Hamas, which is an Islamist body. And it would be presumptuous on the part of India to expect meaningful and heartfelt cooperation from Israel in a war against global jihad while persisting with the Nehru era phraseology.

On the anti-Israel resolution, US Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley said before the vote: “This resolution holds Hamas completely unaccountable for most of the recent unrest. It blames everything on Israel. But the facts tell a different story. It is Hamas and its allies that have fired over a hundred rockets into Israel in the past month, hoping to cause death to as many civilians and as much destruction as possible. It is Hamas that has used Palestinian civilians as human shields at the boundary fence, seeking to incite violence and overrun the border. It is Hamas that refuses to cooperate with the Palestinian Authority to unite in the pursuit of peace. It is Hamas that calls for the destruction of the state of Israel within any borders. And yet the resolution before us not only fails to blame Hamas for these actions, it fails to even mention Hamas.”

Israel’s UN Ambassador Danny Danon was equally scathing on the resolution: “By supporting this resolution, you are colluding with a terrorist organisation and empowering Hamas.” But this is exactly what India, and scores of other countries, did.

The UN Human Rights Commission’s report on Kashmir should be scrutinised against such a backdrop; like the UNGA resolution and several other activities, it is also a joint venture between the Left-liberal grandees and Islamists. Their objectives are common: smear democracies (and downplay gross human rights violations in places like Muslim countries), instil guilt among politicians and people in democracies (and thus undermine their resolve to combat terror), and disseminate moral equivalence (so that security personnel and terrorists become “two sides” in conflict.)

The resolutions at the UNGA are designed with expert care to make military and paramilitary commanders of Israel think twice before acting against jihadists. The US administration of Donald Trump is under pressure from the media and other opinion makers (who are the ideological brethren of UN bosses) to adopt appeasement policies. Similarly, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights’ report on Kashmir becomes an inhibiting factor for the officers of Army and paramilitary forces.

It is unfortunate if our foreign policymakers miss the thread of the narrative that Left-liberals and Islamists together are spreading all over the world. The MEA must realise the true nature of the UN and of national interest. It must avoid the knee-jerk, pro-forma reactions of the Nehruvian past


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Pratyush » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:57 am

Rahul M wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:31 am
Pratyush wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:16 am
Not just the government employees. Nearly every one is looking for revert to pre2014.
if the govt was that unpopular then they would be duly booted out in a democracy with 90%+ vote against them.

so why bother with this thread ?
Because this government is likely to return.

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Post by Supratik » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:24 am

Mamata in China may have been scuttled by the Indian Communists using their connections. Normally the Chinese are very business friendly.

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Post by Indrad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:35 am

Pratyush wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:16 am
Not just the government employees. Nearly every one is looking for revert to pre2014.
No. BJP will continue to be party with highest MPs. Kindly save this.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:16 am

Supratik wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:24 am
Mamata in China may have been scuttled by the Indian Communists using their connections. Normally the Chinese are very business friendly.
The hans are very status and protocol conscious.

Her appointments were only with the mayor or others like him, who are the heads of the province and they are considered the equivalent of a state CM in India.

Her dress would also be considered as not respectful enough for the "state" occasion and hence would constitute a deliberate insult intended to make the host lose face.

hawai chappal aunty has a lot to learn about dealing with the outside world. Her only experience of international diplomacy so far has been with unwashed beedi jehadis and throwing public tantrums if her frivolous "wishes" were thwarted.

Hilsa diplomacy works only in India.

I wonder which MEA idiot requested her to head the delegation.

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Post by Supratik » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:53 am

Unlikely. She has been abroad previously on business trips. Also other state CMs have also visited China on investment purpose under this scheme. I am pretty sure it is Indian communists who called Beijing.

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Post by Supratik » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:55 am

She wanted to meet higher ups in the CCP and was denied that. You are unlikely to drive investments meeting some local politicians.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:04 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:55 am
She wanted to meet higher ups in the CCP and was denied that. You are unlikely to drive investments meeting some local politicians.
This is pure BS on her part. She is playing to the gallery, with 2019 in mind.

Other such delegations have gone before, led by other CMs.

No other CM ever requested to meet a politburo member.

They followed the protocol and programme chalked out by the MEA which is very mindful of protocol issues and MEA is equally mindful of investment related issues and also the capability of each state to support or garner FDI based on the availability of infrastructure and facilities in place.

Just because a meeting with some unspecified politburo member did not materialize, it does not mean that she shafts the GoI by canceling her visit. Considerable groundwork and expense by the MEA would have been torched by this childish behavior. She could have just dropped out, citing health issues, and let someone else assume the lead and take the delegation to China.

She exceeded her authority by canceling the visit which she purposely and maliciously did at the very last minute, leaving the MEA no chance whatsoever of salvaging it.

No excuse for such a diplomatic blunder and causing grave embarrassment to the GoI, especially, after all her pious and sanctimonious tweets about "national" interest.
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Post by Rahul M » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:17 pm

Pratyush wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:57 am
Rahul M wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:31 am
Pratyush wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:16 am
Not just the government employees. Nearly every one is looking for revert to pre2014.
if the govt was that unpopular then they would be duly booted out in a democracy with 90%+ vote against them.

so why bother with this thread ?
Because this government is likely to return.
the govt can't be both 'likely to return' while ' Nearly every one is looking for revert to pre2014'. both can't be true.

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Post by Pratyush » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:35 pm

I Delhi who ever I have spoken to it looking for a return to pre 2014 situation.

But I am hopeful that the rural voters will vote for Modi to continue with what is a performer government.

The problem with most urban voters is that they have access to english language media. Both broadcast and print.

The negativity is seen to be believed.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:42 pm

Pratyush wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:35 pm
I Delhi who ever I have spoken to it looking for a return to pre 2014 situation.

But I am hopeful that the rural voters will vote for Modi to continue with what is a performer government.

The problem with most urban voters is that they have access to english language media. Both broadcast and print.

The negativity is seen to be believed.
dilli is aap country.

free water, free electricity, free this and free that is what they are all interested in. leeches and parasites who have the highest per capita in India, if I am not mistaken and yet they want to free load.

low and mid level govt employees of which there are a huge number in dilli, are disgruntled with attendence recording, no long lunch breaks for 3-4 hours everyday, going shopping during working hours, etc and the top level baboo(n)s are upset because their income streams and gravy train rides have stopped.

Why would they want Modi back?? Are they crazy??

In spite of all of the chaos created by khujliwal, they will still vote for him again. There is no doubt about this at all.

english language media doesn't matter in dilli, every one watches the hindi channels onlee.

Dilli is not typical India for anything. No other state or city has voted for the aap like dilli and aap is a bad joke in the rest of the country. The khalisthanis have supported the aap in punjab and in the rest of the country, their candidates have lost their deposits and also paid heavily for their tickets.

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Post by Rahul M » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:04 pm

I have my share of interactions with all sections of delhites & I dont see nowhere the amount of support for AAP that you have seen see or the opposition to modi.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:10 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:55 am
She wanted to meet higher ups in the CCP and was denied that. You are unlikely to drive investments meeting some local politicians.
There are no local politicians in china.

They are all from " the "PARTY.

If they step out of line, all it takes is a single bullet to the head to set them right.

Local politicians don't drive investments in china, "the" PARTY does.

politburo members are royalty with the power of life or death over all whom they survey.

They do not go near hawai chappals.

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Post by Indrad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:08 pm

Sushma Swaraj has struck back. She tweeted she was out and is amazed to see love she received over last few days on her time line , she has liked some tweets to make her case obvious & even RT some!! This when she is followed by MEA of many countries.
-She started appeasing Muslims and Pakistans by giving medical visas. Looks like she wants to be in limelight and seek attention. Recently she has been operated for kidney transplant. I doubt whether the doctors replaced kidney or her brain. 😂😂😂


-She is almost dead woman as she runs on only one kidney (borrowed from some one else ) and any time that can stop working .

-Biased decision #ISupportVikasMishra shame on you mam...is it effect of your islamic kidney??

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Post by RajaRaja » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:31 pm

Those are some extremely distasteful tweets, and these people want that the govt. should be run in sync with their worldview? Not happening.

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Post by Indrad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:42 pm

now Su Swaraj is being RT by Indira Jaising, Teesta & ilk..she could have kept quiet.

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Post by Indrad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:44 pm

RSS has come out openly against Swaraj.

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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:46 pm

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Comrade Visakh who painted an image denigrating Saraswati Devi is no more. He took the extreme step last week.Communist fraternity with the aid of fundamentalists forced him to misuse his talents to deploy their anti-hindu agenda.


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Post by chetak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:23 pm

This is fertile ground for the aap

Atrocities against innocent govt employees.

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J&K Governor NN Vohra clearly means business, makes Biometric Attendance system mandatory from June. No salary would be drawn in favour of Govt employees if they don’t get enrolled in Biometric System. Shocking to see that successive state Govts in J&K did not implement it.

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Post by crams » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:21 pm

Guys, if you read Tavleen Singh's latest in the Indian(Paki) Express, she claims that ModiJi's personal approval ratings have plummeted and Pappu is close. Is this true? She also says that Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and 50% Hindus will NOT vote for BJP and ModiJi. I don't know where she got these #s from, but if true, then these jokers who hate ModiJi so much that they will vote for one of the thugbandhans deserve to be in the rate hole and cespool of the India of past 70+ years.

I just got back from desh, and from my lose interactions with friends and relatives, unscientific sample no doubt, it does seem BJP is losing its charm. Even some knowledgeable folks, those that discount this 'intolerance' BS, they ask what has been ModiJi's achievements on the economic front. I tried pointing out along the lines of this short video by Mohandas Pai, but it cut no ice. This is what worries me. ModiJi needs to do something big to regain the trust people had in him in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9kZPI4 ... e=youtu.be

In a way ModiJi's tireless, relentless crusade to clean up India is a slow process. It will take time for results to manifest but people are getting impatient. Its like in Deep Learning, you have a cost function that is barely convex (state of India in 2014), and ModiJi's modified gradient descent algorithm is taking a long time (4 years not enough) to converge to the global optimum :-).

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Post by AbhishekC » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:11 pm

Yasin Malik's wife video. Watch and enjoy what is happening in Kashmir after removal of ceasefire. How many terrorists have been killed etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghbJo59XNo

PS,
On second thoughts, she would make such a gorgeous widow. :mrgreen:

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