The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Wed May 23, 2018 3:18 pm

Gus, I have every reason to believe that Church and its church sponsored pedophiles are involved in lot of things that are happening.
It is just that since ModiJi, lot of stuff that was hiding behind the smoke screen has started coming out.
My contention was if EJ are some geniuses with some super long term plans and execution. There can be local factors at play too else why are there no mass protest against the born again EJ Sh.NCBN who is challenging the faith of crores of Telgu and Tamil worshippers.

Personally I believe that we are at the same inflection point that Kashmiri Pandits were, a century ago when forcibly converted KP's approached them for Ghar-wapasi had the doors shut on them rudely and a 100 years later, KP's are harvesting the crop with death, destruction and almost historical erasement.
If we don't standby the last knight this time, we may not see anyone like him ever again. A defeat of BJP at this point will send hordes of RoL and RoP followers into murder/conversion frenzy.

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Post by Vikas » Wed May 23, 2018 3:21 pm

I used to think, How big a moron one has to be to assume that NM is making all the things that happen from UNO to local municipality.
Turns out there are idiots who believe in this.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by SSundar » Wed May 23, 2018 3:28 pm

Vikas wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:18 pm
If we don't standby the last knight this time, we may not see anyone like him ever again. A defeat of BJP at this point will send hordes of RoL and RoP followers into murder/conversion frenzy.
That much we agree. But with total quiet and peace, it is unlikely that Modi will be voted out anytime soon. Hence all this noise of bloody murder and tying EPS to Modi.

There certainly are local factors. Sterlite isn't clean - no pun intended. They would certainly have cut corners and paid bribes to flout some conditions. Thoothukkudi's anger is justified. But yesterday's protests were orchestrated by some elements. The violence was planned. As Gus pointed out, there is more than one interested party. EJ's were among them.

The photo Gus shared asks this question in Tamil: "Padres lead all protests in South TN from the front. Why were they not at the front of this one?"

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Post by Gus » Wed May 23, 2018 3:53 pm

of course sterlite isn't clean. it was fined 100 cr by vajpayee govt.

chidambaram was a non-executive director until he became FM.

after FM, he cleared FDI for sterlite, even while holding it shares.

there's some history that if dug up, will throw a lot of dirt and payments to politicos both big and local.

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Post by arshyam » Wed May 23, 2018 4:28 pm

A detailed read, including the history of the protests.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/thooth ... t-this-far

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Post by Gus » Wed May 23, 2018 5:14 pm

Image

check comments for involvement of a padre Jayaseelan , who was also shot in the protests.

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Post by Gus » Wed May 23, 2018 5:17 pm

and note the "christians martyred" angle brought into play by ucanews...

expect this to be picked up and played around the world.

and then this will quoted back by our own DDM and pidi as proof.

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Post by Chandragupta » Wed May 23, 2018 5:51 pm

You gotta give it to the RoL and RoP followers. Doggedly going on, doing whatever it takes to take India for their religion. Such persistence, planning and sheer will power. Of course, it helps that modern Hindus are the most shameless, hypocritical, self hating, complexed, confused raceon the face of the planet. Ready to vote even Hafiz Sayeed if he promises 5 rupee discount in petrol and diesel and a tax break. Do kodi me bikta hai Hindu.

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Post by Rudradev » Wed May 23, 2018 6:29 pm

We are facing the full force of the Cambridge Analytica campaign now. Emboldened after Karnataka, key international patrons of CA-in-India (such as the Vatican) are openly showing their hands.

But the worst, most dangerous (and hardest to counter) of the CA efforts has been the one to divide Hindus.

Yesterday we were treated to the consistently anti-India Amnesty International reporting that at least 100 Hindus in Rakhine (Myanmar) had been murdered by Rohingyas in a single massacre. This report was carried throughout the typically anti-Hindu, pro-Rohingya Western Media (BBC, Guardian, you name it). Finally it was picked up by Indian anti-national media (Scroll etc.) as well.

WHY? These outlets are all about blaming Hindus for the suffering of Hindus and exonerating Abrahamic terrorists no matter what happens. Why the sudden agreeableness from these very corners to project Hindus as victims (and that too, victims of Islamist violence)? Very out of character for them, no?

One clue to the answer lies in the OpIndia article by LordWalrus I posted earlier. The anti-national, BIF mouthpieces want to chip away at the potential-BJP constituencies that LordWalrus calls Majority Secular (people who are Hindu in name only and distance themselves from Hindutva politics) and Majority Hindu ( people who identify as Hindu in personal/family life but whose affinity for Hindutva ideology remains superficial at best).

Like it or not these two groups today form a much higher proportion of the urban electorate than the Core. In rural areas, Majority Hindus are the dominant group but are easily splintered along caste lines.

If significant numbers of these two groups can be seduced into thinking "Scroll, NDTV, TOI, BBC etc. are fair... see how they reported on genocide of Hindus in Myanmar, they care about human rights for all religions" then it gives the BIF mouthpieces a certain credibility with them. This is a SHARP change of tactic compared to how it used to be, with the BIF mouthpieces consistently taking an anti-Hindu, anti-national, traditional-leftist line to the extent that they had totally lost mindshare among Majority Hindu and were beginning to lose it among Majority Secular as well.

So there is clearly something brewing to peel away Majority Secular and Majority Hindu parts of the 2019 BJP electorate towards the Left.

Meanwhile, I am convinced that there is an equally malignant effort by the CA types to peel away the Core electorate towards the Right, so that they threaten to vote #NOTA as a means of blackmailing BJP into doing what they want. Not all Core people are doing this, but there are certainly some who are. The warning signs are there for anyone taking an honest look to see.

If they manage to pull Majority Secular (easily) and Majority Hindu (with more difficulty) voters away from the BJP towards the Left, and simultaneously pull Core voters away from BJP towards the Right, this will spell doom for 2019 with far more certainty than ANYTHING they could achieve through overtly leftist or Church or Islamist proxies.

No matter what, the BJP constituencies of Majority Secular, Majority Hindu, and Core MUST stand together.

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Post by Rudradev » Wed May 23, 2018 7:36 pm

Fantastic piece of analysis from Twitter user @auldtimer.

https://auldtimer.wordpress.com/2018/05 ... w-thyself/

Let us grade Narendra Modi’s supporters by the level of intensity of their support.

What kind of people make up the most passionate support base of Narendra Modi? Please spare attention to the emphasis. Modi has many kinds of supporters. The question is, what can we say about the most ardent of them? What is their motivation?

My answer: they are Hindu, concerned and angered by the rising de-Hinduization of India, but also embarrassed by the fact that Indians remain some of the poorest people on the planet. They support Modi both to protect the Hindu-ness of the country as well as to bring glory and prosperity to it.

The next level of support comes from Hindus for whom the threat to Hinduism as they see it is more important than “vikas”. They are actually not that gung-ho about Modi, and miss Balasaheb Thackery. Several of them consider Subramanian Swamy as their “backup” leader. (It is a different matter that although quite popular, Swamy stands no chance of becoming as popular as Modi in terms of winning elections for the BJP).

Then come aspirational middle-class Indians, overwhelmingly Hindu but less concerned by identity issues. They see Modi as a clean leader in a political landscape beset by venality and corruption. They are the kind that once upon a time believed VP Singh because he showed promise, believed Manmohan Singh in the early years of UPA, and trusted even Arvind Kejriwal.

Finally come the great many voters who voted Modi to power in 2014. I do not think the reasons they voted Modi can be neatly summarized, so I will not attempt an analysis.

My key point is this: only the first category of support base is unwavering, the rest are fickle to various degrees. Why is that so? Because the commitment of that category is first and foremost to India; specifically, to a vision of India that remains Hindu and holds its head high in the world with good reason. The support to Modi follows from that commitment because Modi is perceived as sharing it.

I think it is true of any human endeavor that you bring true passion to it if you have a strong commitment to it. Where faith and culture are ingrained in people from childhood, they grow up with a strong commitment to them.

Now, can you think of anyone being truly passionate about a nebulous idea called “secularism”? Or even (only) about “development”?

That brings me to the question exploring which is the main objective of this piece: how may we grade supporters of Congress party?

It stands to reason that as in the case of BJP, the most ardent supporters of Sonia and Rahul Gandhi also support their idols out of commitment to a cause. What cause might that be? Secularism? (Ha, ha, you don’t say!). Liberalism? (Don’t kill me!). India’s greater glory? (Tickle me pink, please :-) ).

Ok, I will let the cat out of the bag for you. Rahul’s die-hard supporters are Christians. Christians started seeing Congress as their party ever since Sonia Gandhi took over ownership of it. Congress always garnered the Christian vote, but the passion of the Christian voter for it is relatively recent. Naturally, commitment to the Christian faith and to Christian church, both of which Christians see as being under attack from BJP-voting Hindus, generate this passion. It helps that, as Gandhi said, the church “de-nationalizes” the convert. It also helps that “secularism” empowers churches, as it does mosques, to mix political messaging with religious services (check Delhi archbishop’s latest rant), so the faithful are fully brainwashed.

Christians are not the only staunch support base of Congress, of course. There is another category (Category-2) of people who are emotionally invested with the party, though to a slightly lesser degree than Category-1: they are the ones who were on the gravy train, and want to continue to be on the gravy train. Their commitment is to money, wealth, status and lording over the rest of us; so the passion follows.

I do not believe that Muslims are passionate supporters of Congress, though they deliver tactical bulk vote to it. Their leaders regard Congress as a vital political instrument, but do not see it as “their” party.

Where do we see most passionate Modi-bashers and Rahul-lovers? In the media, of course, “social” as well as “mainstream”. I strongly suspect that these guys are “stealth Christians”, that is, Category-1. They bash Modi and “Hindutva” (their code word for “Hindu”) all the time; in fact, identity issues are their main obsession, but they do not disclose their own religious identity. Because well-off, upper-caste Christians use Indic names, it is difficult to identify them as Christian from their bylines. “Secularism”, “liberalism”, “tolerance”, “legality” and “morality” are the masks they wear. To camouflage their communal motives further, once in a long while they offer some criticism of Congress too, but if you are a keen enough observer, you cannot miss their overall thrust and obsession. You’ll also not miss seeing their true church colors once in a rare while, when, under duress, they let their guard down, dispense with code words, and attack Hindus and Hinduism in general.

People are routinely fooled into mistaking Christian communalists in media as Category-2 Congress supporters. Since to be motivated by money is regarded as less disreputable than getting inspired by religious prejudice, it bothers me that people are tricked into assigning a higher “morality” to some of the Congress’s drum-beaters in media. This deception renders the response of the deceived ineffective. If people see communal Christian op-ed pundits in their true colors, they will develop the appropriate defences to deal with them. They will also cease to be angered by their hypocrisy.

Which brings me to my last point. Why do hypocrites anger us? The psychology theory of hypocrisy has an answer. It says that hypocrites gain “reputational benefits” for themselves at the expense of those they are condemning, though they are equally (if not more) guilty of what they are condemning. The hypocrite makes himself look virtuous by making his target look diminished. The Category-1 Congress supporter is not only a hypocrite, but also a deceiver. What if his target knew that the “intellectual” rubbishing him as “communal” is a Christian communal nutjob inspired by scripturally-mandated Christian prejudice for “unbelievers”? Will he still allow himself to be diminished?



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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Rudradev » Wed May 23, 2018 9:45 pm

I have always maintained that as a political force in India, Xtian communals are a million times more dangerous than Islamic communals.

Even with all the C-systemic institutional and political bias constantly grinding in their favour for ~66 years, Islamic communals could not find a way to ensconce themselves in power and dominate India. Despite the strong, fanatical, mass-level unity in their ranks, high TFR, relatively large population (~18%), and vast infusions of Gulf/Saudi money... even with all these advantages that we Hindus do not have, they have finally ended up punching below their weight class.

One reason is that Islamic communals, try as they might, cannot keep it in their pants until the right time. They are always pulling it out and exposing their intentions before it is tactically prudent to do so. They give away their strategy from the word go, from the first sight of their burkhas and their henna'd beards and skullcaps. They clarify their agenda with every local microaggression from public namaaz to loudspeaker-amplified azaan to cheering for Pakistan at cricket to riots at every Hindu festival. They are so invested in being "non-Indian" (Arabized, Persianized, anything to distance themselves from their Yindoo ancestors) that they finally end up consolidating even the normally caste-fractured Hindus against them.

Of course the existence of Pakistan, and the history of India's relations with Pakistan, is another factor that keeps them in the focus of public suspicion. Had India not been partitioned, we might well have been a Muslim country by now.

But the biggest reason of all for the (relative) lack of success of the Islamic communals is that they don't have a powerful, sophisticated grand-narrative. "AoA" is enough to inspire brute fanaticism, but it isn't a grand narrative sufficient to inspire the domination and control of entire kafir nations in the modern age.

Indeed, Indian Muslims were also on the receiving end of the same social-engineering and psyops at the hands of British colonialists, as Hindus were. The Indian Muslim does not have a much better sense of who he is than the Indian Hindu does... in fact, subcontinental Muslims have quite possibly a weaker sense of identity than Hindus, as one can deduce by looking at the utter failure of Pakistan. The Indian Muslim knows that he must hate the Hindus as an article of faith, but he also knows that the Arabs and Persians whom he tries to imitate have only contempt for him. The Indian Muslim is na-ghar-ka, na-ghat-ka... and even if somehow he is brainwashed into identifying completely with a transnational Islamist group like ISIS, what then? ISIS is getting drubbed, on every level from military defeat to propaganda/information warfare. Other potential patrons in the Islamic world (KSA, Iran, Turkey) are not exactly secure. From Pakistan to Syria, Muslims are fighting each other, being manipulated by the West and Russia and other kafir powers. Islamic unity on a global scale is exposed as a farce. It is very difficult for Indian Islamic communals to cover this up beyond a point, on a national (pan-India) level.

Not that Islamic communals do not try to plan things like medium-term landgrabs, demographic changes, block-voting etc. on a pan-India level; of course they do. But when they try, their initiatives (like love-jihad or rioting on Rohingyas' behalf) are always atavistic, frequently reactionary, and always end up leading to greater consolidation and greater resentment from the Hindus. Every "success" the Islamic communals achieve in this regard makes it harder, not easier, for them to achieve more successes. Unless the Hindus REALLY f*ck up (and given our history of disunity, this could very well happen) it will become increasingly difficult for Islamic communals to achieve a ghazwa-e-Hind.

All of this puts enough stress on Islamic communals of India that despite having many strengths and opportunities relative to Hindus, they haven't been able to capitalize on these advantages to the fullest extent.

This is not to say that there isn't a danger from Islam. They certainly will. The Islamic communals may never win, but they will keep trying fanatically... and every attempt by them, even their failed attempts, will damage India and harm Hindus to one extent or another.

The Xtian communals are a whole different animal.

They come equipped with one of the most tried, tested, polished grand-narratives in the world: already the biggest religion in the world, and the faith of the most (economically, politically, militarily) successful civilizations that have dominated the world over the past 500 years.

They are possessed of utter certainty that it is their destiny to win, to conquer, to "save" lesser civilizations by bringing their heathen people to Christ.

They have had an almost unbroken chain of successes at taking over the institutional machinery of nations and empires, going back to Rome in the 4th century CE. They know the game much better than Muslims do.

By 2004, with Sonia Maino's ascension to INC President, the Indian Xtians (despite being only 2.3% of the population!) had come within a hair's breadth of achieving this in India. BJP seemed to be history. The natural party of governance was back in its seat, and it belonged to them. Furthermore, it was safely in power, doing exactly as it pleased with no threat to its perpetual dominance on the horizon.

Can you IMAGINE a party that was as much Muslim-dominated as INC is Xtian-owned, achieving that stature in India? Running a stable term in govt, then getting RE-elected in 2009? That alone shows the difference in calibre between these two enemies.

As opposed to the Islamic communals, the Xtians were very happy to disguise the personnel of their operation as pseudo-dharmics, such as by having a Sikh as PM and using deracinated cutouts with Hindu names (P. Chidambaram, Kapil Sibal, Digvijay Singh) everywhere possible. Imagine a party with a Muslim PM candidate... even in the miraculous case that such a PM got elected, Muslims would have been shouting from the minarets of every mosque that India is now a Muslim country, AOA, and that would have been the end of it. Their own addiction to trumpeting their identity is a major handicap.

The Xtian communals suffer no such handicap. They don't worry about trumpeting their Xtian identity because they know that "Secularism" is nothing but a Xtian value system, a Xtian lens upon the world, already entrenched and imposed upon the people of India. They know that if they appoint a "National Advisory Council" with aggressive extra-constitutional power, and stuff it with people named Aruna Roy and Harsh Mander, they effectively have a Xtian body (speaking in the rhetoric of Secular Socialism) running the country. In fact, they can claim that with Aruna Roy and Harsh Mander and Deep Joshi being "Hindus", it is only fair to appoint some outright non-Hindu minorities to the NAC as well... such as Jean Dreze, Farah Naqvi and others. They know that all these non-Hindu minorities are effectively Xtian in their own right, and are guided above all else by the de-theologized Xtian dogma known as "Secularism".

In every way, the Xtians had their cake and were eating it too. Given the corrupt crony-capitalist government, anti-Hindu legislative and judicial machinery, and humongous proliferation of NGOs that they set up... it was only a matter of time before funds could come in, laws could be thwarted, social movements hijacked, and the whole subcontinent could be made Xtian not only in values, lens, and attitude, but in name as well. Slowly slowly catchee monkey.

Modi was a bolt from the blue that spiked their plans. His election in 2014 was a tumultuous, unforeseen disaster for them.

In many ways, I agree with the "Core" that Modi could have done more to dismantle the heinous institutional perversions that the Xtians (via post-2004 INC) put into place in service of their long-term strategy. Repeal RTE and free temples from govt. control, for example.

However, just by being PM, he has stopped what (by 2009-2010) had promised to become an irretrievable slide into the total, absolute Christianization of India... a goal that that the Islamic communals, in 10000 years, could never have achieved for their own Qaum.

TL;DR: As enemies of India and its Hindu citizens, Xtian communals are in a completely different class. Islamic communals need to be watched and thwarted (because they will always try to achieve their ghazwa, and even their constant failed attempts are invariably dangerous and damaging). However, I am confident that in the long run they can be handled.

In contrast, the threat posed by the Xtian communals has always existed, but being blinded by "Secularism", most Hindus have never even been aware of it. The Xtian communals have always pursued their goals under the radar, diligently, strategically, to the point of almost completely seizing control of the nation in the 2004-2013 period.

Whatever happens with Modi/BJP/RSS etc... whether we identify ourselves as "Core" or "Bhakt" or otherwise... THIS truth has to be recognized. The Xtian communals are the single most dangerous force to India and Hindus currently in existence. They must no longer be allowed to "use" Muslims, or any caste or regional sub-identity among Hindus, for their goals (something they have done with great success so far). In fact, every possible opportunity must be exploited to turn the tables of divide-and-conquer upon them. This will be a much harder fight than any openly-waged jihad to keep at bay.

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Post by Primus » Thu May 24, 2018 12:33 am

^

I was returning from a workshop in the South of France on that fateful day in May 2014 when at the Paris airport, the check-in guy at the counter of AA who happened to be an Indian, told me that the BJP had swept the elections and that Modi had become the PM. I was elated beyond belief but this guy looked very depressed and crestfallen. Then I looked at his name tag and of course he was a Keralite Xtian.

A huge number of students in college were Xtian with Hindu names, including several classmates. This goes back decades. Not a single one of them in subsequent conversations has been happy with Modi. The reasons they give are flimsy, but you can read between the lines.

There is no illusion, 2019 will truly be a battle for our souls.

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Post by JohnTitor » Thu May 24, 2018 2:45 am

Excellent post Rudradev

+108

You should turn it into an article and publish it. The only thing I would say is that both of the them are equally bad. One does it in the open, the other does it clandestinely.

I think 2019 is the last chance we have to push back, if Sonia wins, it's the end of the line for our civilization

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Post by Sridhar k » Thu May 24, 2018 5:27 am

Rudradev sir. Excellent post, needs to be converted to an article on opindia. Also you had an excellent post on the change of expectation when u move from a contender to a defender of title around the time ak420 took delhi. That is the perspective from which the Hindu secular will judge Modi

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Post by Sachin » Thu May 24, 2018 6:03 am

SSundar wrote:The violence was planned. As Gus pointed out, there is more than one interested party. EJ's were among them.
Anti-sterlite protest in Tuticorin: Rahul Gandhi drags in RSS-BJP, says RSS bullets can’t suppress Tamilians .
The EJs have got involved here, which off course would also give a reason for Ra.Ga to step in as well. See the above rant from Ra.Ga. RSS or BJP are not in GoTN. The firing was done by Thamiz Naad kaaval and not by any CPOs. Now unless the TSP men are all RSS activists in mufti, I see no reason of RSS being involved here at all. This is an out and out L&O issue in TN, with all concerned people being folks from TN itself. The police seems to have taken lot of beating, and it is only then they fired. But when they fired, they actually fired to kill.

The EJs would now be more pro-active after the snubbing the Delhi Arch-Bishop got when he tried to ask the flock to "pray" for the ouster of Modi.
The photo Gus shared asks this question in Tamil: "Padres lead all protests in South TN from the front. Why were they not at the front of this one?"
But the photo did have padres right there in the front line? Was that of some other incident; Koodankulam for example?
Rudradev wrote:Yesterday we were treated to the consistently anti-India Amnesty International reporting that at least 100 Hindus in Rakhine (Myanmar) had been murdered by Rohingyas in a single massacre.
I also felt that this was reported with grave importance in the "secular" media mainly to be used as a potential weapon against Modi. At the right opportune moment, highlight that Rohingyas have now settled down in India, even a pro-Hindu GoI under Modi allowed to happen. That would make many "core voters" (as the new label here) also to vote against Modi, hoping Ra.Ga and Mamtha Banerjee etc. would correct the situation.
They come equipped with one of the most tried, tested, polished grand-narratives in the world: already the biggest religion in the world, and the faith of the most (economically, politically, militarily) successful civilizations that have dominated the world over the past 500 years.
Areas like parts of KL had an X'ian population even before 500 years. But the best part of them, were they easily assimilated with the host culture. My understanding is that political x'ianity started causing problems when the old power held by Rome & Vatican were shared with kingdoms like Portugal etc. It is these kingdoms who were also good sea-farers which started messing up with other parts of the world. In KL for example, it was the Portuguese who tried every single means to spread Catholicism (the X'ians in KL area before that were not Catholics). In coastal area they tried conversion using freebies; forming the Latin Catholic group. In other areas they tried brute force etc. to convert X'ians into Catholicism (Roman Catholics etc. originated in this fashion).
Primus wrote: I was elated beyond belief but this guy looked very depressed and crestfallen. Then I looked at his name tag and of course he was a Keralite Xtian.
Main worry for folks like the chap you see is that they are unhappy about the changes happening around them. They knew that they were all good manipulators and had the whole system tuned for their benefit. Any change in the system, they start sulking.

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Post by Vikas » Thu May 24, 2018 6:11 am

Brilliant post RD.As always, you have such a fresh perspective of current events.

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Post by SSundar » Thu May 24, 2018 6:38 am

Sachin wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 6:03 am
SSundar wrote:The photo Gus shared asks this question in Tamil: "Padres lead all protests in South TN from the front. Why were they not at the front of this one?"
But the photo did have padres right there in the front line? Was that of some other incident; Koodankulam for example?
This one appears to be a different protest, possibly when fishermen went missing in the cyclone. That is the incident where Padres came to the front and started throwing highly inflated numbers for the missing. Nirmala Sitaraman defanged them pretty good by sharing day-to-day progress on SAR operations on Twitter.

In Tuesday's incident, there was at least one Padre shot but still alive. They were not leading from the front. Goondas were.

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Post by Sridhar k » Thu May 24, 2018 7:48 am

Sachin
IIRC, The padre walk happened a few week ago. sorry the cyclone protest as mentioned by S Sundar

On RSS and BJP, there is a carefully crafted narrative that the TN Govt is BJPs proxy and whatever issue that is happening in TN is now attributed to BJP and RSS. Vedanta is potrayed as major donor for BJP. Hence it is the act of corporte pasand bjp using its proxy to protect its cororate donors.

Lot of people in TN have bought this narrative.

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Post by ricky » Thu May 24, 2018 8:00 am

Rudradev sir, good post as usual though I am afraid that it will be lost amongst the "mudi shud rejign" posts, perhaps a WU like thread of brf is warranted.
Secularism as an ethos may have started as a means of co-opting the gullible while at the same time ameliorating the white guilt of general genocide, though it has now mutated into the monster of inter-sectionality and thus must be counted as much a success for its progenitors as a runaway train.Countless examples of degrading values abound and are more deplorable than the last and iirc, the last one was about an 8 year old transgender.
The unity of the white bloc can be challenged only from within, and the hydra of secularism has started alienating the European bloc with its never ending message of tolerance for every depravity. Many northern Europeans have started following their pagan religions and seek under every rock for the druidic secrets, with the effect that supposed religions like Wiccanism, Heathenism, Paganism are now a thing and even when the Europeans are unsure about the ceremonial aspects, they cling to them, unwilling to return to the churches. This can be seen from the fact that the attendance in churches has declined everywhere in the(white) west sans Italy, south Italy(Argentina) and the US.
Such feelings are prevalent amongst the Europeans, that they themselves are serfs to a middle eastern religion with its roots in the works of the Jews, what with the talks of cities on hills, prophets , the benevolence or the lack of such amongst patrilineal deities, and many are beginning to reject the ideology with a vehemence.
The only place left is then the US, where the already chosen people have a city on the hill, are the biggest believers of Zionism and pray daily for Rapture so that they may stand alongside JC himself, with their AR-15's and bring deliverance to the non-believers. Whether they reject their religion now saturated with blacks and latinos in favour of the newer European ones remains to be seen.
Thus, the only people left for Christendom are the blacks, browns,philipinos,koreans. Blacks, by the virtue of having no culture can indeed spread the message of love,peace,community.....and speaking of tongues+body possession. Central and south America too can take the lead in establishing motherly death cults in shanties as opposed to the existing architecture.
Point is, there exists a clear divide between those who are subservient to a ME religion and those who have racial memories of a past where such cuckery was not applauded, and secularism fans the fire evermore. Also, though the devotion to a lord may not be true enough, the devotion to power is always present, the gullible will always be led astray.

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Post by Sachin » Thu May 24, 2018 8:12 am

Sridhar k wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 7:48 am
On RSS and BJP, there is a carefully crafted narrative that the TN Govt is BJPs proxy and whatever issue that is happening in TN is now attributed to BJP and RSS. Vedanta is potrayed as major donor for BJP. Hence it is the act of corporte pasand bjp using its proxy to protect its cororate donors.
A bit sad that ADMK themselves don't seem to try to change the narrative. And ADMK and the BJP have not been able to expose Vedanta' shenanigans by now. Its close association with P.Chidambaram & Mrs, Mauni Baba extending their licenses etc. Present leadership of ADMK cannot hold a candle to Amma, when it comes to decisiveness.

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Post by Vikas » Thu May 24, 2018 9:49 am

^^Can we even call them leaders ? They are just chair occupiers.
We may see fractured verdict in TN too in next elections.

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Post by Primus » Thu May 24, 2018 11:49 am

ricky wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 8:00 am

Many northern Europeans have started following their pagan religions

...............and seek under every rock for the druidic secrets, with the effect that supposed religions like Wiccanism, Heathenism, Paganism are now a thing and even when the Europeans are unsure about the ceremonial aspects, they cling to them, unwilling to return to the churches. This can be seen from the fact that the attendance in churches has declined everywhere in the(white) west sans Italy, south Italy(Argentina) and the US.
Such feelings are prevalent amongst the Europeans, that they themselves are serfs to a middle eastern religion with its roots in the works of the Jews, what with the talks of cities on hills, prophets , the benevolence or the lack of such amongst patrilineal deities, and many are beginning to reject the ideology with a vehemence.
The only place left is then the US, where the already chosen people have a city on the hill, are the biggest believers of Zionism and pray daily for Rapture so that they may stand alongside JC himself, with their AR-15's and bring deliverance to the non-believers. Whether they reject their religion now saturated with blacks and latinos in favour of the newer European ones remains to be seen.
Thus, the only people left for Christendom are the blacks, browns,philipinos,koreans. Blacks, by the virtue of having no culture can indeed spread the message of love,peace,community.....and speaking of tongues+body possession. Central and south America too can take the lead in establishing motherly death cults in shanties as opposed to the existing architecture.
Point is, there exists a clear divide between those who are subservient to a ME religion and those who have racial memories of a past where such cuckery was not applauded, and secularism fans the fire evermore. Also, though the devotion to a lord may not be true enough, the devotion to power is always present, the gullible will always be led astray.
RM talks about this very thing in his speech in UK from March this year. Watch from 1.09 onwards:



From my own experience, meeting people from Europe on various workshops around the world, it appears that a large number of well educated people today are only 'cultural' Christians/Jews. If you look at the statistical data from say France, there has been a rapid decline of Christianity. From around 90% during WWII, it is now barely a majority of 52% or so, the steepest drop coming in the last 30 yrs. However, at the same time, Islam is growing rapidly, now 6% in France. So much so that Douglas Murray laments loudly about this in his book 'The Strange Death of Europe".

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Post by Supratik » Thu May 24, 2018 3:53 pm

Opposition has put up a united candidate in UP bypolls.

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Post by Supratik » Thu May 24, 2018 4:16 pm

MSPs need to increase before 2019 although it will add to inflation. This is one of the reasons why they did badly in rural Gujarat.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 492834.cms

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Post by Suraj » Thu May 24, 2018 5:22 pm

India’s Opposition Party Is Running Out of Cash
India’s main opposition Congress party is facing a financial crisis that could undermine its ability to wrest power from Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s wealthy Bharatiya Janata Party in 2019.

For the past five months, Congress leadership has stopped sending the funds required to run its offices in various states, party officials with knowledge of the matter said, asking not to be identified as they were not authorized to speak to the media. To overcome the crisis, Congress has urged members to step up contributions and asked officials to cut expenses, they said.

Led by Rahul Gandhi, the party’s steady flow of money from industrialists has all but dried up, leaving a cash crunch so serious that it’s been forced to crowd-fund for a candidate.

“We don’t have money," said Divya Spandana, who leads the Congress Party’s social media department. Compared with the BJP, she said her party is not getting much funding via electoral bonds -- a new method for cash donation to political parties -- which may force Congress to opt for more online crowd sourcing to raise money.

Modi’s string of electoral wins engineered along with his key aide and party president Amit Shah have decimated the space once occupied by the Congress Party. At last count, BJP rules with its allies in 20 states, several of them wrested from the grand old party, and Modi remains the most popular leader ahead of next year’s federal elections. Congress now controls just two big states, down from 15 in 2013.

Congress earned one-fourth of the funds than BJP in the financial year ended March 2017. The BJP declared an income of 10.34 billion rupees ($152 million) during this period, an increase of 81 percent from a year ago, according to Association for Democratic Reforms. Congress, in comparison, received 2.25 billion rupees, a drop of 14 percent from previous year.

The BJP spent double that of Congress and is way ahead in attracting corporate donations. The Hindu nationalist party received donations of 7.05 billion rupees from 2,987 corporates during the four years to March 2016, while Congress got 1.98 billion rupees from 167 business houses, according to ADR.

During the 2014 general elections, the BJP collected 5.88 billion rupees, while Congress took 3.50 billion rupees, said ADR, citing expenditure submitted by parties to Election Commission of India.

The shortages were affecting both election campaigning and organizational mobility, said one senior Congress official, noting they were working to overcome the crisis and had put strict curbs on spending.

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