The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue May 15, 2018 11:25 am

Sachin wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 10:53 am
Hope is the post mortem for this situ in KA will show that BJP has to go after energizing and consolidating the non-mainority vote, by having majority-specific schemes etc, period. Or so I hope.
That can only happen if BJP actually plans to form the government. Looks like has consolidated its votes in many areas (Lingayath belt, Coastal KA belt etc.). This is also the time for the KA BJP to see how they put up a fight as an opposition. If they want they can still put pressure on the JD(S) folks to cancel many such pro-minority schemes.
Nah, I meant have pro-Hindu schemes nationally (alongside existing pro-mainority schemes) since 2019 GE is a national thing and the pattern of religious en-bloc voting by mainorities seen here is not unique to KA.

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Post by Sachin » Tue May 15, 2018 11:55 am

Gents, thinking aloud.
1. Yeddy marches up to KA governor and says that as the single party with maximum seats it is his right to form government. Looks like that is the precedence. Governor *may* ask Yeddy to chill out till the byepoll election results are also announced.
2. Governor asks Yeddy to form the government. The opposition cannot challenge this decision if precedence is to call for the party with maximum seats.
3. The opposition can then try to bring in a "no confidence" motion, but that cannot be immediate.
4. Yeddy & Co also gets time to "talk to" MLAs from JD(S) who can support the BJP during the no-confidence motion.

Is this a possibility? I think even Governor is trying to give every one some time.

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Post by Supratik » Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm

I suspect AS will engineer something.

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Post by Supratik » Tue May 15, 2018 12:35 pm

Meanwhile, democracy Bengali style.

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Post by Sachin » Tue May 15, 2018 12:59 pm

Supratik wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm
I suspect AS will engineer something.
Rumours are afloat that around 10 Cong MLAs under the command of their "master vacation arranger" may jump ship and join the communals.

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Post by Deans » Tue May 15, 2018 1:36 pm

Sachin wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:59 pm
Supratik wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm
I suspect AS will engineer something.
Rumours are afloat that around 10 Cong MLAs under the command of their "master vacation arranger" may jump ship and join the communals.
Just enough Cong/ JDS members have to abstain for a vote of confidence to be lost. Ideally, after a spell of Governors rule, fresh elections can
coincide with LS 2019.

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Post by Singha » Tue May 15, 2018 5:22 pm

if they want to abscond the time is tonight, before buses come to lock them up in kerala jails er resorts until the state assembly vote
most of them would have been in home constituency today and asked to report to bengaluru tomorrow....time to decamp :lol:

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Post by Gus » Tue May 15, 2018 5:35 pm

uggg...resort politics starting..

still won't beat the ugly comedy of TN resorts after JJ death..

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Post by SSundar » Tue May 15, 2018 7:31 pm

Supratik wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm
I suspect AS will engineer something.
I hope he does not. The real goal is 2019. Best for BJP to repeat Bihar.

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Post by KL Dubey » Tue May 15, 2018 9:22 pm

^^I don't think so. The team of Amit, Ram M, Himanta, et al should remain always busy improving upon the party's formidable election strategy. This includes pre-election campaigning, election-time management, and post-election manipulations if needed. I think they should keep practicing it with full force in KA and everywhere else. Give no quarter. I think the lessons from Delhi are well learned - if you are just a few seats short, go the last mile to get "outside" support.

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Post by KL Dubey » Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 pm

As the poster "Rudradev" mentioned, Republic is reporting a "massive revolt within the Congress". Let us see what the post-election game experts of the BJP are up to. I am still hoping/expecting a BJP-led goremint in KA. That would really be the "primus pilus" into the south for NaMo and Shah. Capturing the state machinery is important.

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Post by KL Dubey » Tue May 15, 2018 10:26 pm

Sachin wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:59 pm
Supratik wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm
I suspect AS will engineer something.
Rumours are afloat that around 10 Cong MLAs under the command of their "master vacation arranger" may jump ship and join the communals.
I guess you are referring to the well-known travel agent "Boss DK".

BTW he is a Vokkaliga, and not a Lingayat. I don't know if the purported "10 MLAs under his command" that you mention above are Lingayats, or whether that is a separate group of potential defectors.

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/b ... ion-81355

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Post by hanumadu » Tue May 15, 2018 10:54 pm

I will take all the reports of congress and JD(S) jumping ship with a pinch of salt. All those jumping ship will be disqualified with no guarantee of a reelection. With what face will they go back to the public again?

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Post by KL Dubey » Wed May 16, 2018 2:35 am

hanumadu wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 10:54 pm
I will take all the reports of congress and JD(S) jumping ship with a pinch of salt. All those jumping ship will be disqualified with no guarantee of a reelection. With what face will they go back to the public again?
But that is how it works. The risk taken by the MLA is tided over by "some other incentives". For example the Operation Kamal done by BSY a decade ago.

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Post by Singha » Wed May 16, 2018 4:27 am

such people are usually compensated by giving them chairs of govt run orgs like cooperative banks, boards etc.

i am not very hopeful they can engineer 10 defections. would be much easier if the count of independent winners were 20ish....most would be rebels and refugees from established parties who did not get ticket.

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Post by chetak » Wed May 16, 2018 4:31 am

Ram Madhav takes a dig at Congress, Deve Gowda

In a Facebook post, BJP leader Ram Madhav took a dig at the Congress party and HD Deve Gowda, recalling 1996 when President's rule was imposed in the state. Here is the full post here:

Interesting note I received on WhatsApp:


Karma comes to haunt Congress in Karnataka after 22 years


The year was 1996 & the Gujarat state BJP govt had just fallen thanks to Congress' Governor Krishnapal Singh. Vaghela along with his deputy Dilip Parikh (MLA from my maternal grandmother's birthplace, Dhandhuka) were the masterminds who had open support of Congress to split the BJP & bring the state BJP govt down. They along with Congress resorted to violence inside the state assembly where a no-confidence motion was to be voted & which in all probability was certain to be defeated. Speaker suspended entire opposition for a day. Motion was tabled & govt proved its numbers. But here comes the twist:


Congress Governor declares based on the pandemonium by Congress + Vaghela faction that the law & order machinery had collapsed in the entire state & that there was a constitutional crisis. After having surpassed his constitutional reach & jumping into the executive's functioning, he sent a report to the central govt. Within 15 minutes of the file reaching the then PM's table, state govt of Gujarat was dismissed & President's rule imposed. This immediately after having proved majority on the floor of the house. Vaghela later became CM for just a year & was succeeded by Parikh who remained CM for 2.5 months. Congress pulled out support from both. Fresh elections were held. Vaghela's strength reduced from 47 to 4, Congress was kicked out & Keshubhai was voted back as CM.


How is this story relevant after 22 years in Karnataka? Because those quoting verses of morality, constitutional ethics & conventions were perpetrators of murdering democracy & numerous elected govts. right from Nehru.


The Gujarat state BJP chief in 1996 was Vajubhai Vala who today is the Governor of Karnataka. And the PM who imposed President rule was none other than HD Deve Gowda. Cong-JDS today want Vajubhai to be merciful reminding him of his duty. But then there's Karma- Catches all, spares none.

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Post by MehtaRahulC » Wed May 16, 2018 4:47 am

KN election drama ends and new drama of MLA-purchasing starts. Solution is trivial --- voters should DIRECTLY elect CM and voters should have right to recall CM< and MLAs should have no say in CM appointment. As long as MLAs are deciding CMs, selling / buying of MLAs will remaining when majority is razor thin.

Voters are wasting time in RSS vs congress vs JDS issue. All three will loot temples using endowment acts and other laws. And all three will loot schools using RTE. And usual corruption is almost same. All leaders and workers across parties are equally corrupt and defunct xcept Modiji (*) . (* I have to say except Modiji on BRF because admins' rules profhibit postors from making corruption allegations against Sri Modiji).

As per ethics of buying and selling MLAs --- all parties --- congress /rss / aap etc do it. So why bother

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RSS-leader Mohan Bhagwat says that Shahid Mahatma Rajguru (who was hanged along with Mahatma Bhagat SIngh) was somehow connected to RSS !!! see details at https://www.outlookindia.com/website/st ... emp/310314 . !!!

Sicekening ---- RSS has no freedom fighter on its list (Veer Savarkar was NOT RSSian). And only a 2-5 kaaalaa pani prisoners had joined RSS = jansangh, and only 1 members of Bhagat Singh's group Hindustan SOCIALIST republican army joined RSS = jansangh. A large number of kaalaa pani prisoners joined CPI or Akali or Congress. The two parties which had LARGEST % share of prison going freedom fighters were cpi and akali. And Jansangh = RSS is nowhere close. There are tons of documents written by RSS apex leaders that show that RSS leaders from 1925 - 1947 worked to convince youth NOT to kill British , just as what Gandhi said !!!

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Loot of schools using RTE and loot of temples will go 10 times after Modiji becomes PM in may-2019. I see no stopping now in near future.

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Post by Hari Seldon » Wed May 16, 2018 5:07 am

Just saddening to see this. Tirumala is special to me personally, as I'm sure to lakhs of others like moi. Sigh.

Tirumala head priest Ramana Dikshitulu alleges irregularities in TTD governance (NIE)
CHENNAI: It's full-blown war between archakas and administrators of the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam (TTD), one of the richest temple trusts in the world. The man leading the charge is Tirumala head priest AV Ramana Dikshitulu.

In a no-holds-barred press conference in Chennai on Tuesday, Dikshitulu made startling allegations of impropriety, corruption and lack of commitment among TTD administrators in upholding ethos and sanctity of the Tirumala temple. He raised suspicion of temple funds being diverted and some of the priceless ancient jewellery misappropriated.

“It’s unfortunate that we (hereditary priests), who for generations dedicated ourselves to temple service, are so helpless today. Until 1996, we were custodians of the Lord’s jewellery and maintained up-to-date records of the inventory. But, in the 22 years since Andhra government took over the reins, not once has the jewellery count been done. Of late, only the newer jewellery is given to adorn the Lord. What happened to the ancient ornaments? An open audit should be done. Digital records should be made for transparency,” he said.

He also demanded a high-level inquiry, such as a CBI probe, into how temple funds were being used. Dikshitulu claimed crores of rupees were being diverted. For instance, TDP MLC G Thippeswamy from Anantapur proposed construction of a group of temples at Gudimala village in Madakasira assembly segment and sought `10 crore in funding from the TTD, endorsed by Endowments Department. The proposal is likely to be discussed in the TTD Trust Board meeting scheduled for Wednesday.

The head priest slammed the administration on issues such as VIP darshans, shortening of rituals and alleged commercialisation of the temple. “The authorities have no respect for traditions or practices as laid down by agamas (vedic scriptures defining traditions and rituals in the temple). This would result in devotees losing faith and lead to catastrophic incidents,” he warned.

Representing 45-odd hereditary priests, Dikshitulu said their traditional privileges had been snatched and they were being put to a lot of hardship. He said detailed representations had been sent to the Prime Minister, President, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Andhra Governor. He asked the temple’s lakhs of devotees to agitate and protect the sanctity of the shrine. TTD Executive Officer Anil Kumar Singhal, when contacted, refused to comment.
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Post by abhijit » Wed May 16, 2018 6:47 am

BJP is making mistakes which cong did in 80s. They need to have some or other alliance in big states and start sharing power with regional parties. Politics is now become a business for regional satraps more than ideology and if bjp start taking entire pie then they will gang up. Question is, is bjp fully capable of taking everyone alone?

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Post by Sachin » Wed May 16, 2018 11:02 am

Centre announces conditional ceasefire in Jammu and Kashmir, no anti-terror operations during Ramzan
One more act of "secularism" :roll:. Have the Jehadis also promised no attacks on Ramzan? Amazing that we are giving such kind of amenities/privileges given for professional armies to the terrorists.

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Post by Chandragupta » Wed May 16, 2018 11:49 am

^ absolutely idiotic. There is no need for these gestures.

Hope the Army remains as proactive as it has been. I noticed this -

"However, if there is specific intelligence about the presence of a prominent terrorist in an area, then also the security forces will be allowed to take action"

So the army can take action if

a. terrorists attack
b. civilians in danger
c. specific intelligence

I am not sure what ceasefire they're really talking about. But still, these gestures don't mean much to anyone.

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Post by Primus » Wed May 16, 2018 1:07 pm

Chandragupta wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:49 am
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I am not sure what ceasefire they're really talking about. But still, these gestures don't mean much to anyone.
^ I am not sure they are completely without merit.

This may be all optics but then in politics it is all about perception. You appear to give in to the local government who is your partner in governance, and is under pressure from its constituents for some sort of concession from the 'Hindu Leadership' of the nation. Don't forget it is about religion, and the army or the BJP does not want to project an anti-muslim image in J&K, regardless of whether that is what they will see anyway.

Given that the army can still go after defined targets as and when needed, nothing has been lost, perhaps a small gain in keeping the wolves within the PDP at bay for now. Nothing will change in any significant manner until 370 goes and that will not happen without 2019 and total dominance in the RS.

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Post by Raju » Wed May 16, 2018 1:12 pm

Sachin wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:02 am
Centre announces conditional ceasefire in Jammu and Kashmir, no anti-terror operations during Ramzan
One more act of "secularism" :roll:. Have the Jehadis also promised no attacks on Ramzan? Amazing that we are giving such kind of amenities/privileges given for professional armies to the terrorists.
those whom you consider terrorists (that they may well be) are also locals who have substantial local support. What you are relying your opinion on is basically Indian media reports but if you have actual intelligence reports it will tell you that it is a civil insurgency and the army is in a holding operation because the govt of India and it's highest bodies have decided that they are going nowhere and there is going to be no solution until Pakistan continues to exist under the thumb of its army. So that is the primary consideration and not really 'curbing terror' in Kashmir which is a duty to be performed by state police forces. In any part of the world where there is a civil insurgency, the moment army is deployed into civilians areas, it is going to result in mass human rights violations. Even though each and every govt around the world wil sugarcoat army's presence in civilian areas as instrumental in curbing terrorism. What is shown in public relations events and given masive media publicity in all such cases are humanitarian aspects of army's deployment in civilian areas to control and quell civil insurgencies but what is unsaid and unseen is operations carried out by army intelligence of midnight knocks and forced disappearances and subjugation techniques.

What prevents GoI or any foreign govt from taking a lenient view on Kashmir is the fact that the movement got violent thanks to Pakistan. This nipped any sympathy for a freedom movement. So if you are part of the govt and dealing with civil unrest will you try to win more hearts and minds by reducing army visibility or increasing it considering local support for militants and terrorists. What would you have done.

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Post by Sachin » Wed May 16, 2018 2:16 pm

Chandragupta wrote:Hope the Army remains as proactive as it has been. I noticed this -
Primus wrote:Given that the army can still go after defined targets as and when needed, nothing has been lost, perhaps a small gain in keeping the wolves within the PDP at bay for now.
The tweet comes from Mr. Kadi Ninda and Co; i.e ministry of home. They generally only have a say on policing matters. Army deployments are generally MoD business. So I am hoping against hopes that while J&K police, CPOs all would be doing the Ramadan fasting, the Army is still given full powers to conduct its operational duties.
Raju wrote:those whom you consider terrorists (that they may well be) are also locals who have substantial local support.
Then what is the point in allowing the local to have a free run, because they are also Islamist fanatics who are just a step away from becoming terrorists themselves? The message being sent out is that you can terrorise non-Muslims, damage the nation; but yet you get all your religious benefits.
So if you are part of the govt and dealing with civil unrest will you try to win more hearts and minds by reducing army visibility or increasing it considering local support for militants and terrorists.
How much of hearts & mind winning have been achieved by such gimmicks by any nation which has suffered from Islamic fanaticism? They will use this opportunity to enjoy their religious stuff, and at the most opportune moment re-group and then start their terrorist activities again. The islamists would only stop their trick in Kashmir if the following is carried out; Kashmiri Hindu men to leave the place, the women can stay behind .

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Post by Raju » Wed May 16, 2018 2:39 pm

Just like there are local sympathizers for terrorists, there are local sympathisers for the armed forces. Such ceasefires help in building eyes and ears in local communities. Because information on movements of terrorists are also provided by local informers only. We cannot afford to cut out everybody because the Govt of India is also trying to build/maintain an image amongst locals even though they are not succeeding as famously as the militants but then they also have a following as proved by the legion of informers passing on info. Who are these 'informers' ? they are concerned mothers, daughters, housewives, parents, poking neighbours, disgruntled workers who feel they need an option, but if the govt and its agencies come across as heartless & brutal force then these folks will just shut up. The govt of India has a hold and a certain pull over segments of locals which they are trying to strengthen. What would you have done, strengthen bonds with locals or cut them altogether even though fully realizing it may be giving diminishing returns. The govt has to take a final call after weighing in which side of the bargain they prefer and who they think is winning.

We need to stop viewing everything in black & white where issues are grey or greyer.

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