The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by pankajs » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:32 pm

Aditya_V wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:04 am
Am I the Only one but there seems to Panic int he INC camp, putting an impeachment notice which will be rejected by the VP. Demonstrating over all and Sundry. They are exposing thier Networks that except for thier base of Hardcore minorities everyone else is seeing through the game. Thier strength of sutilty and playing the psy-ops game is going and all thier groups are pubilically exposing themselves.
Bhell .. Absolutely loved the fact that CON did this to itself. It couldn't get any better than this after yesterdays Judge Loya decision. It is plain as can be a revenge move. Quite a stick that CON has handed Modi if he want's to use it for 2019.

Note the lineup of the folks who signed up to the petition i.e. those who did not. Forget BJP/SAD/BJD and AIADMK for the moment. Were are SS, TMC, TDP, TRS and DMK?

Plus we have D.Raja's party, the very same D.Raja who met one of the justices after that now infamous press conference. Talk of political interference in the Juriciary.

This is stupid. CON system has completely exposed itself and allowed the opposition parties to be seen as divided on such a critical issue. Modi couldn't have desired more than this latest impeachment move of CON.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by pankajs » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:56 pm

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/impeach ... ee-1840530
Impeachment Move "Ill-Conceived", Will Harm Judiciary, Says Soli Sorabjee
The opposition move to begin impeachment motion against Chief Justice of India Dipak Misra was widely seen a as a reaction to the Supreme Court judgment on the BH Loya case since it came a day after the verdict. But the Congress said it had nothing to do with the case.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:56 pm

You have to look at the five reasons given by Congress to impeach CJI. The first four are obfuscation. It is the fifth which is important. It talks about "sensitive cases" being given to wrong judges by CJI. That is the crux. They are worried that judges will favour the govt on core issues e.g. RJB, Art 35A, etc. This impeachment motion is a direct threat to the judges not to give favourable judgements. Otherwise hum dekh lenge.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by pankajs » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:00 pm

How will they "dekh lenge" with Modi in power? This is a needless self goal. Mod should send a Thank you note to CON!

Justices are very funny folks. They are rulers of their domain and will brook no interference. Expect this latest salvo to stiffen their back against other such motions in the futures. The troublesome 4 being the senior most will retire early.

Continues quote form my last post
New Delhi: The unprecedented move to impeach Chief Justice of India Dipak Misra is "ill conceived" and the opposition is doing "great harm" to the institution of independent judiciary and its public perception, Soli Sorabjee, the former Attorney General of India, said today. The notice to begin an impeachment motion against the Chief Justice of India -- a first in the nation's history -- was signed by 71 lawmakers belonging to seven parties.

"What is the gross misbehaviour, the ground for impeachment? That a judgment was not in favour... People should learn to understand an unfavourable order, to accept defeat... SC has given good reasons. If you don't accept, where is the finality?" Mr Sorabjee said.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:04 pm

Heh.

Yechury, Karat factions trade charges at CPI(M) party congress
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So serious are the differences that:
some leaders even demanded voting by secret ballot. (gasp!)
Like some wag said it on twitter, looks like Beijing may have to directly intervene and adjudicate. Only.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:07 pm

Modi ko hatayenge aur Modi jab nehi rahega tab dekh lenge.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by pankajs » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:11 pm

These folks who have reached the top understand the basic philosophy behind "a bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush". Ideologically inclined will anyway not need the stick.

All the CON has done is exposed itself
1. Out of its depth and ideas and cornered.
2. Sore looser and vengeful.
3. Exposed the division in the opposition ranks.
4. Handed Modi a stick to use.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by pankajs » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:21 pm

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... 617620.ece
Impeachment notice a ‘revenge petition’, says Arun Jaitley
Observing that impeachment of a Judge of the Supreme Court is to be done only in the case of either his incapacity or on proven misconduct, Mr. Jaitley said the Congress party and its friends had started using impeachment as a “political tool”.

Trivialising the use of impeachment power is a dangerous event, he said, adding that it is not difficult to collect 50 signatures of Rajya Sabha or hundred signatures of Lok Sabha members even on frivolous issues. “To use the power as intimidatory tactics when neither you have a case of ‘proven misconduct’ or the numbers on your side, is a serious threat to judicial independence.

“My preliminary reaction to the impeachment motion filed today is clear. It is a revenge petition after the falsehood of the Congress Party has been established in the Justice Loya death case. It is an attempt to intimidate a Judge and send a message to other Judges, that if you don’t agree with us, fifty MP’s are enough for a revenge action,” he said.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:25 pm

Sachin wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:12 am
Aditya_V wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:04 am
Am I the Only one but there seems to Panic int he INC camp, putting an impeachment notice which will be rejected by the VP.
There are 60 folks who have signed the impeachment notice. So don't know if the VP can outright reject it? The Congress really seems to have blown a fuse after the Justice Loya Death case did not go their expected way. In the mean while the ever popular CPI(M) is having a "Party Congress" at Hyderabad; but many feel that the party has already become a (B Team of) "Congress".
The commies are playing the tune of their chinese masters.

The congis and mamta are into the same game to secure a more powerful stance in parliament post 2019, which is the best that they both can hope for under their present leadership.

RS would have slipped out of their hands anyhow.

yech !! ury just cannot wait to thwart the karats and get back to parliament and to being a solo media darling once again.

His tenure in the politburo has all but sunk him, clipped wings and all. This may be his last chance.

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Post by KL Dubey » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:23 pm

pankajs wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:21 pm
“My preliminary reaction to the impeachment motion filed today is clear. It is a revenge petition after the falsehood of the Congress Party has been established in the Justice Loya death case. It is an attempt to intimidate a Judge and send a message to other Judges, that if you don’t agree with us, fifty MP’s are enough for a revenge action,” he said.
All tamasha and signs of increasing desperation in the INC and other Opposition parties. NaMo's strategy of being silent and completely ignoring these jokers is working. They are becoming increasingly desperate to get his attention and are willing to do ever more crazy things. A vicious downward spiral that will hopefully end in a total rout of the INC in GE 2019, even bigger than GE 2014.

50 MPs is not enough for anything except to formally "start" the process. After that a 2/3rd majority in LS and RS is required, which is obviously impossible.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by SSundar » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:00 pm

JohnTitor wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:48 am
Modi needs to focus on getting fuel prices down. It'll be the next battlecry for congoons
Respectfully disagree, Saar. Please see the Swarajya article on Ujwala Yojana. Import bill is going up because of increased import of LNG - proof that UY is a real success and not just hot gas, pun intended.

Who complains about fuel prices? The middle class people who are buying cars just for prestige when a scooter/motorcycle would suffice for their commute needs. For the rest, there is Ola/Uber. I am saying this from observing my own extended family. Most don't NEED a car but bought it because the other people bought it.

We need a campaign to beat some sense into such people. Reducing petrol/diesel prices is counterproductive for India at this juncture. Modi team need to come out and clearly explain the connection between low fuel prices and rising terrorism & lowering leverage India has on the Gelf coundries.

They have to kick off a VERY public "Energy Security" initiative based on sustainable sources of natural gas. Gadkari spoke about some initiatives in an obscure interview. Why not make that a campaign and scream out loud about it?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by SSundar » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:33 pm

Those of you old enough (and are willing to admit it) to remember the last few years of the other RaGa (Rajiv) are sure to have fond/romantic memories of Panchayat Raj. You heard that term EVERYWHERE. DD inserted Panchayat Raj ads in everything from farmers programs to item numbers on Chitrahaar/Chitramala. The Panchayat Raj campaign even became laughing stock in some Kollywood movies but it was an effective, sweeping campaign that enhanced the image of RaGa as a visionary.

I often find myself wishing the MAD team would use a Panchayat-Raj-like all-encompassing campaign for some of their best initiatives:

1. Swacch Bharat - Should not have been reduced to just toilet-building. Should have pushed States and Municipal Corporations to provide 100% coverage of garbage bins in all cities, public toilets and dust removal from urban roads.

2. Energy Security - Gadkari has spoken about waste water treatment plants to generate natural gas in obscure interviews. We occasionally hear about Electric Vehicle plans when we are not hearing about beef. How about a campaign that urges the nation to push ahead towards EVs, LNG usage, gobar & wastewater treatment gases, etc., and shun petrol/diesel/kerosene to Make India Great Again? Heck this is even a great way to push Cow protection and create Goshalas.

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Post by kvjayan » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:11 pm

KL Dubey wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:23 pm
pankajs wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:21 pm
“My preliminary reaction to the impeachment motion filed today is clear. It is a revenge petition after the falsehood of the Congress Party has been established in the Justice Loya death case. It is an attempt to intimidate a Judge and send a message to other Judges, that if you don’t agree with us, fifty MP’s are enough for a revenge action,” he said.
All tamasha and signs of increasing desperation in the INC and other Opposition parties. NaMo's strategy of being silent and completely ignoring these jokers is working. They are becoming increasingly desperate to get his attention and are willing to do ever more crazy things. A vicious downward spiral that will hopefully end in a total rout of the INC in GE 2019, even bigger than GE 2014.

50 MPs is not enough for anything except to formally "start" the process. After that a 2/3rd majority in LS and RS is required, which is obviously impossible.
It seems some senior congis (including the former PM and ex-minister Chidambaram) have refused to sign the petition! Will the cong party impeach these refuseniks?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by pankajs » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:45 pm

Who is this Modi mole inside the CON?

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/new ... 849316.cms
Has Congress shot itself in the foot by moving impeachment motion against CJI Dipak Misra?
Even as Finance Minister Arun Jaitley warned against using "impeachment" as a political tool that poses "threats to judicial independence", several Congress leaders believe that the move against Chief Justice of India Dipak Misra is an ill-advised step.

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“Justice DY Chandrachud, who wrote the verdict, is such a excellent judge. This is an ill-advised move," Congress leader and former Union minister Dr Ashwani Kumar pointed out.

A senior advocate himself, Kumar told Mirror, "The remedy cannot be worse than the malaise. Impeachment has to be matter of last resort; it should not destroy intra-institutional relationship between the Judiciary and the Parliament.

He admitted that the impeachment move was a double-edged and could scar the Congress as well.

Not just Kumar, who has been a close aide of former Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh, many legal eagles in the party like Abhishek Singhvi and Salman Khurshid have opposed rushing with impeachment.

<snip>

Several party leaders feel that the Congress leadership could have shot itself in the foot by dragging in the CJI.

"After all our top leaders are all battling cases in courts. From Soniaji to Rahul to the Vadras How can we hope to intimidate judiciary like this. Whoever thought of this?" pointed out a source.

Sibal alone is being blamed for the misadventure. It is not clear if he is trying to put pressure on the CJI to help a friend like P Chidambaram or he has his own agenda.

<snip>

However, this logic did not seem to cut much ice with Congress leaders. "Impeachment is too serious a matter to be played with frivolously on the grounds of disagreement with any judgement or point of view of the Court," said former Union Minister Salman Khurshid.

He said, "I am not party to or privy with discussions that have taken place between different parties and for me to reflect specifically on whether the grounds are justified would be unfair.”

Impeachment motion has also isolated the party in the Opposition spectrum. The Trimanool Congress, the DMK and the SP did not want to be seen linked with it. " We are not accusing the CJI of corruption but only misuse of office. We want him to withdraw from discharging his duties, " said Sibal.

The BJP feels to expect CJI to withdraw from his duties just because the Opposition has submitted a motion is stretching a little too far. Let the impeachment motion be admitted first. Why should the CJI not attend to work "asks BJP’s Sandeep Mahapatra.

He said, "As such the motion on CJI Dipak Misra has upset people of Orissa. The BJD and Orissa CM Naveen Patnaik has come out in support of the Chief Justice. It is an attack on Orissa."

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Indrad » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:49 pm

A Lady momin stated following grouse against Modi (in 1 to 1 conversation_:
-He is not inclusive (doesn't care for Muslims & Christians)
-There is intolerance all over
-incidences against muslims have increased
-he speaks on every issue but keeps quiet on real one (on Kathua he should have been speaking on hourly basis)
-he should reign control of fringes he has let loose

After a while I was fully convinced no matter what is done ..there is so much of propaganda fed by NDTV that it is impossible to convince many of them, and Modi might have been better off following path of dharma without appeasing minority..
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Post by Indrad » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:51 pm


medical fraternity is up in arms against Modi for what he spoke regarding them in London...he could have praised his yojnas without speaking against doctors who seem to be quite furious...matter is gradually being picked up by MSM for 'dissing Indian doctors on foreign soil'

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Post by JohnTitor » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:13 pm

SSundar wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:00 pm
JohnTitor wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:48 am
Modi needs to focus on getting fuel prices down. It'll be the next battlecry for congoons
Respectfully disagree, Saar. Please see the Swarajya article on Ujwala Yojana. Import bill is going up because of increased import of LNG - proof that UY is a real success and not just hot gas, pun intended.

Who complains about fuel prices? The middle class people who are buying cars just for prestige when a scooter/motorcycle would suffice for their commute needs. For the rest, there is Ola/Uber. I am saying this from observing my own extended family. Most don't NEED a car but bought it because the other people bought it.

We need a campaign to beat some sense into such people. Reducing petrol/diesel prices is counterproductive for India at this juncture. Modi team need to come out and clearly explain the connection between low fuel prices and rising terrorism & lowering leverage India has on the Gelf coundries.

They have to kick off a VERY public "Energy Security" initiative based on sustainable sources of natural gas. Gadkari spoke about some initiatives in an obscure interview. Why not make that a campaign and scream out loud about it?
Unfortunately, that's not the full picture.

Higher fuel prices when sustained will lead to inflation. Who does that affect the most? The poor of course.

Beating sense into people is pointless. They know that if they take cash and vote for the corrupt nothing will improve, yet they do it because they are happy with the short term benefit. Same goes for national security etc.. who cares when it affects your bottom line and you personally have to foot the bill?

In any case, long term the government should encourage and incentivize electric vehicles. But this govt dumped it's all electric vehicles after 2030 plan. Meanwhile, the e-vehicle revolution has kicked off in China.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by SSundar » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:33 pm

JohnTitor wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:13 pm
Higher fuel prices when sustained will lead to inflation. Who does that affect the most? The poor of course.
Petrol/Diesel prices are one of the several inputs into the price index of commodities. There are many levers the GoI can pull to keep inflation down outside of fuel prices. The price spread between what farmers get and what the consumer pays is quite large. Fairly good room to give.
JohnTitor wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:13 pm
In any case, long term the government should encourage and incentivize electric vehicles. But this govt dumped it's all electric vehicles after 2030 plan. Meanwhile, the e-vehicle revolution has kicked off in China.
There are some mixed signals in this area. There's still noise about 2030 but I do not observe the frenzy that should be visible for a deadline THAT close. I see Mahindra and Tata-JLR making major strides in pushing EV technologies and designs. Basically, the ingredients are all there but we don't smell the dish cooking for some reason.

There is a NatSec aspect as well with the prevailing battery raw material supplies having already been cornered by China. India may need to push out the deadline and move towards cleaner ICE fuels such as LNG, Ethanol, etc. in the interim.

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Post by chetak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:50 am

Read the full article.

This looks like some deep state operation set up and stage managed for, so far, unknown reasons. This situation is far removed from the normal banking ecosystem parameters.

Are these private banks really safe or do we need to pull out our money before its too late.

param poojiya, sri sri 108 RRR seems to have gone into maun vrat. Very unusual for the usually loquacious "regulator" who was asleep at the wheel and whose second home was usually a tv studio and that too one particular tv studio.

Well-wishers' paid off dues of Credential Finance before Chanda Kochhar became ICICI Bank CEO
MUMBAI: Shortly before Chanda Kochhar’s appointment as CEO of ICICI Bank in March 2009, some unnamed “well-wishers” paid off dues of Credential Finance — a now defunct company that was once run by her husband and brother-in-law.

In March 2009, the company, in which Chanda Kochhar too was once a shareholder, entered into court settlement with multiple creditors. According to the minutes of the Bombay High Court order, in at least one of the cases, Rs 40 lakh was paid to Banque Indo-Suez (now known as Calyon Bank) by “well-wishers of and on behalf of ” Credential Finance.




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Post by chetak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:44 am

What Exactly Does The Congress Hope To Achieve With The Impeachment Motion Against The CJI?


What Exactly Does The Congress Hope To Achieve With The Impeachment Motion Against The CJI?

by Raghav Awasthi

Apr 20, 2018,



Snapshot

The answer most likely to be correct – delay, or altogether prevent, an unfavourable ruling in the Ram Janmabhoomi case.
So opposition parties led by the Congress have met with the Vice President and have submitted to him a notice for the impeachment of the Chief Justice of India, Dipak Misra. The other parties which have agreed to the motion are the Communist Party of India (CPI), Communist Party of India (Marxist),the Nationalist Congress Party (NCP), the Samajwadi Party (SP),the Bahujan Samaj Party(BSP) and the Indian Union Muslim League (IUML).





By doing this, they risk serious embarrassment as they just don’t have the numbers to make a successful bid for the removal of the chief justice. Moreover, the process of impeachment is something that has never really been activated successfully in the past against a judge of the honourable Supreme Court. The last time the provision was invoked against a judge of the apex court was in the early 1990s against Justice V K Ramaswami. The said motion did fail quite spectacularly on the floor of the House and the judge in question went on to serve the remainder of his term with some semblance of distinction as well. He even unsuccessfully contested an election to the Lok Sabha against Vaiko of the Marumalarchi Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam(MDMK) in Tamil Nadu from the Sivakasi constituency. In this regard, it would be instructive to examine the bare text of the relevant Constitutional provision which is produced below:
124 (4) A Judge of the Supreme Court shall not be removed from his office except by an order of the President passed after an address by each House of Parliament supported by a majority of the total membership of that House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members of that House present and voting has been presented to the President in the same session for such removal on the ground of proved misbehaviour or incapacity.
Simply put, what is needed in order to actually remove a judge of the Supreme Court is a special majority of the members present and voting in both Houses of Parliament. Do the Congress or the Left or any of the other members that group have the requisite strength? The answer to this, as mentioned earlier, is a resoundingly and unequivocally in the negative.
Having said that, the provisions of the Judges Inquiry Act of 1968 do offer some hope to the opposition, inasmuch as under the said Act, they might find it not altogether impossible to initiate proceedings, if not take them to their logical conclusion. Section 3 of the said Act whereby the procedure for initiation has been laid down is reproduced below:

3 (1) If notice is given of a motion for presenting an address to the President praying for the removal of a Judge signed,- (a) in the case of a notice given in the House of the People, by not less then one hundred members of that House; (b) in the case of a notice given in the Council of States, by not less, then fifty members of that Council, then, the Speaker or, as the case may be, the Chairman may, after consulting such persons, if any, as he thinks fit and after considering such materials, if any, as may be available to him either admit the motion or refuse to admit the same. (2) If the motion referred to in sub-section (1) is admitted, the Speaker or, as the case may be, the Chairman shall keep the motion pending and constitute as soon as may be for the purpose of making an investigation into the grounds on which the removal of a Judge is prayed for, a Committee consisting of three members of whom - (a) one shall be chosen from among the Chief Justice and other Judges of the Supreme Court; (b) one shall be chosen from among the Chief Justices of the High Courts; and (c) one shall be a person who is in the opinion of the Speaker or, as the case may be, the Chairman, a distinguished jurist. .

A perusal of the said provision would make it amply clear that the opposition must mobilise at least a hundred members (Lok Sabha) or fifty members (Rajya Sabha) depending upon wherein it intends to initiate the process. Having said that, from thereon it is the discretion of the Speaker (Lok Sabha) or the Vice President (Rajya Sabha) as the case may be, to first make an assessment as to whether the motion is fit for him to constitute a committee to frame charges and conduct a prima facie appreciation of whether the complaints made against the judge in question contain any substance.

Assuming that the opposition manages to negotiate the second hurdle, the committee constituted under the provisions of the said Act has to come to a conclusion that the charges framed by it are substantial at the conclusion of a proper process of quasi-judicial inquiry and fact-finding. In such a scenario, the motion for removal has to go before both the Houses of Parliament where it has to be passed by a majority of the members of both Houses and a two-third majority of the members present and voting. In the unlikely scenario that the motion contemplated by the opposition is approved by the committee, it shall surely be defeated on the floor of the House.

There are only about six more months left in the tenure of the present Chief Justice of India and there is always the likelihood that the motion might end up being rendered infructuous before the same reaches any conclusion whatsoever. The next question to be asked is, whether any political benefit is likely to accrue to the opposition if they were to take this step irrespective of the chances of its success. The answer to this question too, unfortunately for the opposition, is in the negative.

The biggest case that is being heard before the Chief Justice of India today is related to the Ram Janma bhoomi issue. Despite the protestations of the Congress party to the contrary, the presence of Kapil Sibal as an arguing counsel for the Sunni Waqf Board has given rise to an impression in the minds of the public that the Congress does not want the Ram Temple to be built on the disputed site at all. If they do give in to the ‘secular’ fringe of their party and end up supporting the electorally bankrupt Left, it will also have serious detrimental implications for the newly minted ‘Hindu’ avatar of their leader, Rahul Gandhi.

Hence, leaders of India’s grand old party should ask themselves if they are willing to follow the lead of a party that has stopped using electoral victories as a measure of its success, for it has not notched up any significant ones in recent years.

Raghav Awasthi is a lawyer based in Delhi and a member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS)

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Post by Hari Seldon » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:24 am

BIF tentacles all over this one:

Dalit-Muslim conferences look to forge ‘social alliance’ before 2019 polls (by Zia Haq in HT)
A series of Dalit-Muslim conferences over the past couple of months in states such as Maharashtra, Karnataka, Uttar Pradesh and Telangana has rekindled hopes among their leaders of forging a joint “social justice” movement in the run-up to the 2019 general election.

The Mahmood Madani-led faction of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind, a prominent Muslim organisation, which led these conferences, said the purpose was to forge “long-term social alliances”. The All India Majlis-e-Mushawarat (AIMMM), whose members include those from the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB), have also attended these conferences.

Four major Dalit-Muslim conferences have been held so far on the theme “Mulk Do Rahe Par” (the country is on divergent paths): in Delhi on February 22, in Lucknow on March 10, in Bengaluru on March 8 and in Hyderabad on March 21.

Smaller, local-level, Dalit-Muslim associations by participation in each other’s rallies and events are taking place throughout Maharashtra and Uttar Pradesh. “Both are suppressed and deprived communities. We have long felt that the two must stand together for each other’s rights,” Madani said.

In Saharanpur, home to the influential Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband, young Muslims are joining the Bhim Sena, a Dalit group, Madani said.

The Delhi meeting was attended by 170 Muslim and Dalit representatives. They include Prakash Ambedkar, grandson of Dalit icon BR Ambedkar; Kancha Ilaiah of the Maulana Azad Urdu University, Ashok Bharti of the National Confederation of Dalit Organisations; BN Tejavath of the All India Scheduled Tribe Federation; and Shivarudra Mahaswamigalu of the Shree Belimatha Mahasamsthana. “There has to be a basis for people to come together. The basis is the social oppression being faced by Dalits and Muslims at the hands of communal forces,” said Ambedkar, adding that the larger struggle should also be about the economic situation. “Muslims have traditionally voted for the Congress, which also believes in Vedic persecution of Dalits. They should make it very clear they will vote for any new alternative that can take on communal forces,” Ambedkar said.

Organisations representing scheduled castes, who make up 16.6% of the population, have been restive in recent months.

Incidents such as the Bhima Koregaon clashes near Pune on January 1 involving Dalits and upper caste groups and the March 20 Supreme Court judgement banning automatic arrests and registration of cases under the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act of 1989, have exacerbated social tensions. “This is not a political alliance yet, but a social alliance. If needed we could also help each other politically,” said Bharti of the National Confederation of Dalit Organisations.

“How to stand against communal forces together…how to ensure Dalits are not utilised against Muslims in riots…that is our main agenda,” said Maulana Nadeem Siddiqui, a Jamiat leader from Maharashtra, who says he has been holding discussions with Prakash Ambedkar every week.
Hope Modi sarkar, the sangh parivar and sarkari natsec agencies are watching with an eagle eye....


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sunny » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:43 am

Hopefully Shatru Sinha will be next.

Yashwant Sinha quits BJP
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/y ... epage=true

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:26 am

Sunny wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:43 am
Hopefully Shatru Sinha will be next.
If Adwani and Togadia can also join hands with the two Sinhas it would be a real great achievement. :twisted:

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