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Re: Non-Indian Films discussion thread...

Post by Zynda » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:32 pm

You can squarely blame the WB Execs for the disaster that is JL. Either they should have continued with Zack Synder's JL movie or rescheduled the release indefinitely.

Synder's product would have had much worse rating with critics but at least we wouldn't have gotten a wonky CGI, mess that is the current product. He is not a great director; sucks in story telling...abrupt transitions and overly complex plots onlee which fans who have some comic book background can understand & appreciate...not to mention his dark interpretation of Superman which is very controversial. But his visual composition style and cinematography is absolutely stunning. Also his movie would have been a little longer, would have had better character arcs (for ex: Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash had better story arcs which were chopped down. So was SW...his motive for collecting Motherboxes were detailed & better explained in Synder's cut apparently).

I don't want to blame Joss here as well. He was brought in to course correct the movie with little time and lot of meddling from studios. Apparently WB knew that JL would not be a great product and wanted to maximize the collections during the initial weeks from as many screenings as possible and thus mandated the 2hrs runtime. The movie is introducing 4 new characters (including the villian SW) and 2 hours is just not enough time to make justice (no pun intended) to a movie of this scale. Most of the scenes in trailers were not in the theatrical cut. Almost all of them were Synder's and stupid WB's 2 hour runtime decree forced them to butcher the movie.

I just don't want to talk about JL anymore. WB/DCEU made a mess of their A list characters who are well known compared to Marvel's B-list characters like Iron Man and still could not match Avengers in style & excecution (of course Avengers had first movers advantage).

TR was good but kinda getting tired of MCU's comedic treatment. Ragnarok is supposed to be a very serious moment and the movie totally Marvellized it by making it a comedic event. Many fans are unhappy with the above. Of course, the GA loves comedic treatment and TBH, the studios make movies for GA mainly and comic book fans later.

Hoping for a JL Extended Cut BR release which will hopefully include many of the deleted scenes in the movie (& not as extras) which would provide better continuity).

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Re: Non-Indian Films discussion thread...

Post by Zynda » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:33 pm

A few clips of Avengers 3: Infinity War have been leaked online. Apparently those clips will be included in the upcoming IW trailer anyways. The first trailer should arrive around first weekend of Dec...definitely before Star Wars screening. The leaks are from the same source which leaked deleted VFX clips from JL.

Marvel snipers will be using quasi-NSA tech to home on the source's location...while WB/DC wouldn't just care at this moment.

WB/DCEU have been trying to play catch up to MCU...WB mandated the run time of JL to be under 2 hrs based on the criticism it received to the 2.5 hour runtime of BvS.

A3: IW will have a run time exceeding 2.5 hrs for sure and it will probably receive rave reviews leaving WB/DCEU smashing their heads against the wall on not knowing where they are going wrong...LOL.

Oh, the plot of A3 IW has been leaked online as well...not sure how genuine it is though. Interested folks can search for it.

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Re: Non-Indian Films discussion thread...

Post by Sicanta » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:07 pm

Zynda wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:33 pm

Oh, the plot of A3 IW has been leaked online as well...not sure how genuine it is though. Interested folks can search for it.
couldnt find it. where?

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Post by abhik » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:01 am

JL was complete bokwas, all these comic book movies have started to look like each other, with predictable plot, same aesthetics for characters and CGI effects etc. And what's the deal with cubes? Transformers and Thor/Avengers had the same cube thing.

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Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:51 am

Sicanta wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:07 pm
Zynda wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:33 pm

Oh, the plot of A3 IW has been leaked online as well...not sure how genuine it is though. Interested folks can search for it.
couldnt find it. where?
Search for MCU on Reddit. Should be there. If you still don't find it, I can post the content here. Doesn't this board support spoiler tag function? It allows the text to the collapsed with a spoiler warning and interested parties can expand the '+' or 'Click to Show' icon/link to expand the contents. BTW, the World Première of A3 IW trailer will be dropping around 8:00 AM EST :D
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Re: Non-Indian Films discussion thread...

Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:09 pm

abhik wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:01 am
JL was complete bokwas, all these comic book movies have started to look like each other, with predictable plot, same aesthetics for characters and CGI effects etc. And what's the deal with cubes? Transformers and Thor/Avengers had the same cube thing.
All Suerphero movies are about prevail of good over evil ultimately. There are onlee so many ways to achieve the end i.e. Good over Evil. Even using intellect has been done in Comics...not sure about Marvel but Batman more or less uses his intellect, problem solving skills to hunt the bad guys. In the end though he uses fighting/violence to subdue & bring them to the law.

Many of the Marvel characters are kinda copy of DC comic characters, who I believe were introduced first.

In JL, the cubes are called Motherboxes. They are essentially a sentient Supercomputer from an another dimension/world (called 4th World in Comics). They can perform many functions...

In the JL movie, the mother boxes are restricted to 3 of them and all of them are in Earth (weird!). When the 3 boxes are combined, they form the Unity. What I think was omitted in the movie due to cuts is that Steppenwolf's mother Heggra (I think in comics, she is his sister) is trapped inside the motherboxes and unifying them would release/free her and would give Steppenwolf the power to defeat Darkside (his nephew who is the ruler of Apokolips). Since Dakside is so powerful, his uncle Steppenwolf is forced in to being a General in Darkside's army and Steppenwolf wants out. Hence his motivating to assembling Motherboxes (which I believe was glossed over or just glanced through in the Theatrical Release).

In Avengers...the cube is known as Tessaract and is one of the six Infinity Stones/Gems. Please see GoTG Vol.1 where they have a line or two about what Infinity Stones are and their powers.

JL was a mess because Synder originally (before BvS) had established the JL story arc to be spread over 2 movies. After BvS debacle, WB decided to limit JL to a single movie which means that plot had to be rewritten & condensed. After viewing his cut during March, the movie tone was still too Synder (read not much action in first act, complex plot lines & dark tones especially of Superman) and WB hated it and Whedon was brought in to Marvelize the movie as much as possible while mandating a 2hr runtime limit. No wonder the movie looks like bad rehash of Avengers.

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Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:42 pm

Just watched A3 IW trailer...so pumped up. Thanos CGI looks as bad as Steppenwolf's. Hopefully, they will polish it up before release. MCU/Disney have JL as an example of what not to do!

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Post by Sicanta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:13 pm

I saw it too. I did not watch either 1 or 2 in cinemas but I think I will certainly watch both parts of this on big screen. Seems like in 1st part, avengers will be fighting the battle separately in far off places.

BTW, please do link the leak

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Post by Sicanta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:15 pm

Last Jedi is coming and I seriously hope that Luke does not fall to dark side in this one. It will heavily dilute the importance of 6th episode and the entire lesson Luke learnt in OT

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Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:21 pm

Here is a gif of better CGI of Thanos emerging out of a Portal on to Earth?

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Sorry folks...I will be spamming this thread tonight.

SPOILERS on A3: IW plot. Sicanta saar, please enlarge on your own. Not sure how genuine this is though...
One year after "Captain America: Civil War" and four years after "Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 2". Thanos intercepts the Grandmaster's ship to collect the Space Stone from Loki, who betrays Thor and bargains a position as Thanos' advisor.

Thanos then retrieves the Reality Stone from the Collector, killing him in the process.

The Guardians of the Galaxy find Thor while investigating Thanos' trail of destruction and learn he has slaughtered the surviving Asgardians. They confront Thanos in Xandar, but he easily cripples the Nova Corps and reclaims the Power Stone. They then go to Earth to ask the Avengers for help.
Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Falcon have become illegal vigilantes wanted by international authorities. In Scotland, they rescue Scarlet Witch and Vision from Thanos' children, Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight, who are after the Mind Stone. They are recruited by Doctor Strange to stop Thanos at Thor's behest, alongside Iron Man, War Machine and Spider-Man. Iron Man is still embittered by the events of "Civil War" and refuses to work with his former friends.

Iron Man, Spider-Man and Doctor Strange head into Space with Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy to find the Soul Stone, but are defeated by Thanos, who steals it, and return to Earth.

The others escorted Vision to Wakanda, where Black Panther has agreed to help them protect him from Thanos' lackeys. The Winter Soldier is revived to help in the battle. Although the Children of Thanos are defeated, Thanos arrives, reclaims the Mind Stone by killing Vision and causes widespread destruction, with Drax and Hawkeye's family among casualties. Vision's consciouness survives inside the Mind Gem and helps Scarlet Witch momentarily disable the Gauntlet, allowing Loki to temporarily defeat Thanos, sacrificing himself to do so. With Thanos' return being imminent, the heroes mourn their dead and set out to assemble an army to stand against him or die trying.
Edit:The above plot does not include Hulk/Banner at all but trailer does. So certain things could be not true. However, we do see Loki kinda handing over Tessaract and all the dead Azgardians. And battle near Wakanda.

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Re: Non-Indian Films discussion thread...

Post by Sicanta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:33 pm

Well, this one seems to be a blast. And using the guardians to connect the different parts of story is good step.

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Post by Sicanta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:38 pm

I don't know why but using the same overall ot story for new trilogy seems like a lazy step. Especially after the way force awakens turned out to be a new hope copy in most parts.

They had access to entire EU library but Disney had to retrace the trodden path for some reason

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Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:50 pm

Are you referring to Star Wars? I like the original 3 movies and Force Awakens was good...but I am not a huge SW fan. I will probably go and watch SW The Last Jedi but absence of Harrison Ford is a huge bummer to me. Yeah...the rehash of plot was lame. I hope there will be changes in the upcoming movie. Apparently, the SW ship is being run very very tightly at Disney...much more than MCU. SW want directors who can just execute...they have no qualms about letting go directors who are not willing to walk their line. Of course, SW cult is much much stronger than CBM. We are about to get hit with at least one SW movie each year for the next ten years apparently.

Certainly not like WB where in they just handed the entire set of keys to Zack Synder. Thats why DCEU last year brought in Geff Johns who has authored a number of New 52 DC Comics...kinda like Kevin Fiege at MCU...a fellow comic book nerd to oversee the creative content/process of DCEU movies.

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Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:01 pm

Yeah...Peter Quill has never visited Earth since his abduction almost 30 years (?) ago. So it should be interesting to see his reactions when he visits Earth after a long time.

Yep...this is what the last 9 years (10 if you count May 2018 which is when A3 will hit the screens) have been...building up gradually for the big showdown with Thanos and A4 will be released exactly a year from A3: May 2019 (ugh...why does it have to be so long...I know MCU wants to milk as much as possible keeping the hype/anticipation alive...I think they want to bring in Captain Marvel in A4 as a key personal in taking down Thanos. She is kinda a super-powerful entity in MCU. So a solo movie of her in Feb 2019 and her entry in to Avengers team in May 2019).

I am not sure if I will be this hyped about MCU in Phase-4, especially given that major characters from current crop may hang up their suits...possible candidates include Stark, Banner, Rogers, Thor...James Gunn will be done with MCU after GoGT Vol 3. Up until now, MCU has been focusing on heroes who have powers based on Tech augmentation...except Dr. Strange. I think MCU wants to explore more of magic side in Phase-4...kinda Justice League Dark series of DC Comics.

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Post by Sicanta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:10 pm

The bit about captain marvel may be true since she is marvel reply to WW. And GA certainly appreciates the latter. I too have heard that captain, Stark and few others may be leaving after this and marvel will still be left with a lot of arsenal including Spiderman for next phase. But how does this leaving part play out on screen? Death or retirement with occasional comebacks?

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Post by Sicanta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:12 pm

As for SW, I hope they come up with something original. Cause the way they have decided to use the Skywalker legend for this last trilogy has left me sad.

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Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:34 pm

BTW, here is the Youtube link to the Avengers 3: Infinity War Trailer.



The use of the original Avengers score was epic...combined with the sad piano keys in the beginning. Voice over by Thanos (Josh Brolin) just ups the coolness.

WB did a major mistake by brining in Danny Elfman. Apparently, Wheadon fired Junkie XL and brought in Danny Elfman to do JL score. Danny gave it a generic score which was one of the weak elements of the movie. If you have an epic score...use it. Apparently, Junkie XL had planned to have individual tunes for each Superhero character...kinda like how WW has her own guitar tunes. Remember in BvS, when Diana jumps in front of Batman and shields him from Doomday's laser vision using her bracelets and the guitar theme follows? That was super epic...Junkie XL had planned similar scores for Flash, Aquaman & Cyborg. Music just intensifies the coolness/immersion factor.

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Post by Zynda » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:37 pm

Nobody really dies in comic books...always find a way to bring them back. But yeah in movies, it may be difficult...not impossible to justify a resurrection (except Supes in JL apparently). If I am taking a gander, I'd guess they will be shown as retiring while making way for younger bloods to take up the mantle.

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Post by nachiket » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:27 pm

Zynda wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:34 pm
WB did a major mistake by brining in Danny Elfman. Apparently, Wheadon fired Junkie XL and brought in Danny Elfman to do JL score. Danny gave it a generic score which was one of the weak elements of the movie. If you have an epic score...use it. Apparently, Junkie XL had planned to have individual tunes for each Superhero character...kinda like how WW has her own guitar tunes. Remember in BvS, when Diana jumps in front of Batman and shields him from Doomday's laser vision using her bracelets and the guitar theme follows? That was super epic...Junkie XL had planned similar scores for Flash, Aquaman & Cyborg. Music just intensifies the coolness/immersion factor.
+1. There were very very few things I liked about BvS. Wonder Woman's entry into the battle and the kickass music that accompanied it was one of them. Apparently it was a collaboration between Junkie XL and good old Hans Zimmer.

The other part I liked was Batman taking out Lex's goons when he rescues Martha Kent. That was the perfect Batman fight scene.

Rest of the movie was unadulterated crap. The plot had gigantic holes, and Snyder put those weird dream sequences in the film that were just annoying. And whoever thought Jesse Eisenberg should play Lex Luthor should be banished from Hollywood. I read somewhere that they had initially thought about Bryan Cranston. He would have been awesome as Lex Luthor. But DC just can't catch a break. Now JL is another crapfest apparently. I haven't even bothered watching it.

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Post by Zynda » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:06 am

The dream sequence would have made sense after watching JL. The dream was about Earth being overtook by forces of Apokolips and terra-farming the Earth to look like the Apokolips (the fires shooting out of Earth, darkish orange skies, the Parademons etc) and Superman is working presumably for Darkside (Ruler/King of Apokolips). Of course, the GA should not have known the above before watching the movie. It is the director's job of explaining stuff to GA and keep them invested. Synder failed to do that. I do like Synder's cinematography and action sequence. But his story telling leaves a lot to be desired.

I liked the BvS Ultimate Cut...I never watched the screened cut but I've been told that it is even more abrupt. Plus the overly dark & broody tone, especially by Superman was probably not a good idea. He could have been more cheerful, optimistic & hopeful just like he is in comics. A course correction after Man of Steel about Superman should have been in order. Instead Synder chose to portray Supes who is always mopy and is somehow always discontent about being treated by God/Hero. Problem with that movie was that it tried to take itself too seriously which amplified the plot holes in its overly complicated scheme of Lex.

The dream sequence culmination/explanation was totally omitted from the JL movie. I think in one of the JL trailers, Bruce mentions that "I had a dream. The world was about to end". Somehow Lois Lane is killed either during BvS events or before JL. Apparently Steppenwolf wanted to resurrect the Kryptonian and use him to hold off the League minus Cyborg (who is the 3rd Motherbox) until SW manages to assemble all 3. Without Lois Lane to bring Clark to his bearings after he has woken up, Supes just goes all berserk. So Bruce says to the League that they should try to resurrect Supes before SW can get his hands on Clark's coffin. Flash has the ability to travel through time. So what Bruce saw in BvS was Flash coming back to warn Bruce that Lois is the key. Like I mentioned above, the storytelling was poor. Such an amazing concept could have been told better and have had a better impact on GA instead of wondering what is going on. The audience should not work to figure things out in a movie...especially CBMs, the story telling should be linear. May be movies like Inception can get away with overly very complex plot lines and expect the audience to have multiple viewings and try to figure out themselves :)

Yeah...the Batman warehouse scene in BvS was awesome. Classic Batman...Essentially the last 1 hour was awesome.

One more thing about JL...many of the scenes that were shown in Trailers never made it to the movie. It was essentially a false advertising by WB. That's why there is a demand for WB to release Synder's cut (Director's Cut) on Bluray.

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Post by Zynda » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:34 am

In BvS, there was no need for Superman to be the one to drive the Kryptonite spear in to Doomsday. WW easily could have done it while Supes used her lasso to hold/restrain Doomsday. But Synder said in an interview that the reason he wanted to kill Superman to is have him experience what it is to be a human i.e. cycle of death & rebirth. Also he is following the comic book where actually Doomsday kills Superman (or puts him in a deep coma). Superman later is revived in a black suit. Synder had a vision (although his vision is niche i.e. it suits CBM fans and not GA. Outside of comic book fans, nobody thinks about Superman being evil even if it is not intentional) but it was the execution which was the problem. Anyways, enough from me on this.

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Post by Zynda » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:50 am

nachiket wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:27 pm
Now JL is another crapfest apparently. I haven't even bothered watching it.
TBH...you are better off waiting for the Bluray release. Signs indicate that WB will release an extended cut with deleted scenes. Should provide a better viewing experience. Should be out by end of March. Apparently, the VFX is still being worked on. Now that MI6 production has wrapped up, Cavill can shave again. I don't think WB will spend any more money on reshoots (would be nice if they did it...will get rid of bubblegum lip Superman) but I do hope they will improve & polish some of the CGI before Bluray release.

Apparently this was the result of Paramount not allowing Cavill to shave and bad CGI editing:

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Post by Zynda » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:44 am

Supposedly Jumanji reboot is hilarious, light weight good-time movie. Not a great movie but good...suitable for almost the entire family (except for kids less than around 8 years old). No surprises that SW: TLJ is expecting a $200 Mil opening weekend BO.

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Post by Vayutuvan » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:35 pm

Primus wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:01 pm
While we are on a roll here :)

May I request people come up with a top-ten all time fun, action-packed, adventure style, popcorn-fest, 'paisa vasool' pure entertainment movie list?
Startrek movies - all of them including the reboot four so far

The Hobbit trilogy - I liked it better than LoTR trilogy. Book is far superior as well.

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Post by Vayutuvan » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:37 pm

Zynda wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:44 am
Supposedly Jumanji reboot is hilarious, light weight good-time movie. Not a great movie but good...suitable for almost the entire family (except for kids less than around 8 years old). No surprises that SW: TLJ is expecting a $200 Mil opening weekend BO.
I watched the original. I liked it though it didn't too well at the box office.

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