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Re: Nukkad

Post by saip » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:16 pm

Goa used to be very clean. Even after heavy down pours we never had floods. Things have changed. Too many people now. Hindu Temples in Goa are in the interior. They were put there to escape the Portuguese.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by KJo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:35 pm

saip wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:16 pm
Goa used to be very clean. Even after heavy down pours we never had floods. Things have changed. Too many people now. Hindu Temples in Goa are in the interior. They were put there to escape the Portuguese.
My ancestors lived in the Goa region and when the Portuguese came, they took their temple stuff and migrated down south to the Mangalore region and built temples there. Portuguese destroyed all original Konkani books and the script along with it. The ones who remained were killed or converted and now are the D'Souzas, D'Costas and Fernandeses. "Goan Christians". They are just Konkani Brahmins.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Sachin » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:52 am

KJo wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:35 pm
The ones who remained were killed or converted and now are the D'Souzas, D'Costas and Fernandeses. "Goan Christians". They are just Konkani Brahmins.
A few X'ian friends (and me) laughed our heads out when we saw some of the "groom wanted/bride wanted" advertisements for the first time. "Roman Catholic Brahmin", "Roman Catholic Kshatriya" etc. were too much for my KL X'ian friends. These folks were all insisting that it was all a caste-less society and Goans come up with such schemes :lol:.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by MehtaRahulC » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:38 pm

beautiful 2 minute video --- I dont which state it is -- but govt at work . Must see . Only 120 seconds --- https://www.facebook.com/groups/7124404 ... 918135286/

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Zynda » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:24 pm

My friend is trying to get a rental agreement done with his new landlord and the landlord says that he will forward a template of rental agreement document he had done with his previous tenants.

The agreement is so poorly written up with glaring mistakes which could have serious legal repurcussions.

For example, the document contains (I am paraphrasing the wordings quite a bit...I haven't seen the document but my friend read it to me over the phone & I could not stop laughing...this is the gist of it)
"The landlord agrees to pay a security advance of amount equal to one year's of agreed per month rent. The landlord also agrees to pay the rent with in 5th of the month. Failure to pay rent by the landlord with in 5th may result in landlord being asked to vacate the rented premises. Further, the landlord will agree to give at least 2 months notice to the landlord before vacating"
:rotfl:

And the above document was supposedly proofread by the building managers & by the previous 3 tenants before being signed.

Fortunately, the judiciary system along with law & order in India is screwed up and if any tenant refuses to pay rent based on the above document, the landlord may hire some goondas to threaten them initially followed by some thrashing/messing up along with forced eviction.

I don't think the above is isolated case. Many legal agreements are not sound in nature and in India. Perhaps I am exaggerating but if above the quality of legal documents framework we can expect, it is not too surprising our many defence contracts with phorem OEMs are drafted in such a way which puts our interests in disadvantage.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by shravanp » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:33 pm

Sachin wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:52 am
KJo wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:35 pm
The ones who remained were killed or converted and now are the D'Souzas, D'Costas and Fernandeses. "Goan Christians". They are just Konkani Brahmins.
A few X'ian friends (and me) laughed our heads out when we saw some of the "groom wanted/bride wanted" advertisements for the first time. "Roman Catholic Brahmin", "Roman Catholic Kshatriya" etc. were too much for my KL X'ian friends. These folks were all insisting that it was all a caste-less society and Goans come up with such schemes :lol:.
Many of them have Hindu first names, and a cousin of mine married married a Xian girl with Hindu name. They do all 'haldi' ceremony as well.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by saip » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:42 pm

KJo wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:35 pm
saip wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:16 pm
Goa used to be very clean. Even after heavy down pours we never had floods. Things have changed. Too many people now. Hindu Temples in Goa are in the interior. They were put there to escape the Portuguese.
My ancestors lived in the Goa region and when the Portuguese came, they took their temple stuff and migrated down south to the Mangalore region and built temples there. Portuguese destroyed all original Konkani books and the script along with it. The ones who remained were killed or converted and now are the D'Souzas, D'Costas and Fernandeses. "Goan Christians". They are just Konkani Brahmins.
Actually they are known as Catholic Brahmins!!!

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Vayutuvan » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:38 am

Chetak garu, links please.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by chetak » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:44 am

Vayutuvan wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:38 am
Chetak garu, links please.

which one, saar??

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Suraj » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:42 am

I was looking through the last Olympics result and came across SHQs (and little one, since he's dual Japanese-American citizen) country tally data:
Japan at the 2016 Summer Olympics, 6th position
Both her first name and his Japanese name choice are among their set of gold medalist names. Naturally mine is not among the list of names of our medalists :cry:

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Indrad » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:42 am

Mort Walker wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:00 pm
Even those who have migrated to the west legally will have over time lose connection even if they visit desh annually. I spend time taking my kids to religious places and historical significance and they spend time with first cousins, but my family are missing most marriages, births, passings and major religious festivals. Should my kids marry goras, which is a high statistical probability, the bonds will become less. There are many Indian families who cannot visit desh as often due to visa issues and financial limitations and their kids quickly become part of the melting pot.
thanks for saying that once you leave India we lose our identity brick by brick!

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Indrad » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:43 am

This is King Abdullah II, the King of Jordan. He is the direct descendant of Prophet Mohammad, and this is his family. The question is, what on earth happened to wearing the Hijab and Burqa? ..... *Cricket Sounds* .....
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https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/ ... 5994493953

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Re: Nukkad

Post by yaaya » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:57 am

Suraj .. maybe something positive might result from search of all hockey olympians from India. Dunno.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by yaaya » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:58 am

forgot my email and pwd so finally gave in trying to retrieve and rejoined

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Re: Nukkad

Post by chetak » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:29 am

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Iranians and rice have an inseparable relationship. Here is a map of popularity of ethnic and traditional rice-based foods in different provinces of #Iran:

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Indrad » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:05 pm


it is understood one priya from Keral film industry has winked in a song video and become an internet sensation immediately...
can some one from Keral explain what is this song about?

https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/priy ... ts-1811672

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Marten » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:43 am

Indrad wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:05 pm

it is understood one priya from Keral film industry has winked in a song video and become an internet sensation immediately...
can some one from Keral explain what is this song about?

https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/priy ... ts-1811672
Keral? :facepalm: No Sir. No offense but one must call it by the correct name, Kerala.

PS: Who can predict what becomes a viral hit? Jimikki Kamal was another such hit. Fanbois from TN still maintain an FB shrine group for Sheryl. :lol:

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Re: Nukkad

Post by yaaya » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:54 am

aiyyo! Now is it Kerala or Keralam :) .. though it is mostly written as Kerala.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Indrad » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:53 am

OK sir Kerala! Now pls tell meaning & what is this song about.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by krishGo » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:46 pm

Guys,

I am on the lookout for books on the history of politics in India, from the prehistoric times. For example, how the ganas in Mahajanapadas worked.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Vyoman » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:24 am

Singha wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:07 am
Vyoman @saikanomie wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:52 pm
Track circuits and GPS based collision detection isn't hard. Wonder why they would not have prevented such collisions. It could be the algorithm learning process that needs to redo the learning, to reduce speed and come to a stop much ahead. Otherwise, I can't think why this happened.
pure GPS (10meter) accuracy is not accurate enough for adjoining tracks differentiation. some other means are used.
I doubt anyone would want to take chances even with 1m CEP mil-channel GPS.
No, GPS alone doesn't work. GPS is ballpark approximation say if two trains are like on the same spot (You need some broad logic to trigger a track check routine). Mostly it is the "Track circuits", that will sense two trains on the same track heading towards each other. Track circuits will scan for RFID or tags or pressure sense under the trains and it would be piece of cake logic to tell disaster to happen miles ahead

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Sachin » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:30 am

Managed to read a book completely Thug: The True Story of India's Murderous Cult
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The book basically explains who the "Thugs" were and how the British (mainly one officer Capt. Sleeman) managed to get them out of India's roads. I did not find the book to be biased against any group (British or Indians). Few thoughts which stuck in my mind, after reading the book.

The "Thugs" had a very different modus operandi which differentiated them from the highway robbers. The highway robbers (especially in countries like UK) robbed the travellers using the threat of violence. The thugs, used deceit to lure their victims. The highway robbers was focusing mainly on loot, once they got what they wanted they spared the victims. The thugs killed their victims (by strangling), and then focused on getting the valuables from them. The thugs used to act as travellers themselves and infiltrate a group of travellers from even multiple way points. They had their own slang language, by which they all ganged up with their victims not knowing about this. So this group seems to be much more dangerous, crooked and vile than the typical "highway robbers".

It was not that the identity of thugs was kept secret. There were landlords and small time petty kings who encouraged the thugs to setup villages in the places owned by them. All for a share in the loot which these folks would be bringing by killing innocent people. The thugs were also careful enough not to commit crimes in 10-20 mile distance from their own native villages. The victims often were people from far away lands (special preferences were for the Seths who operated village banks, thus had to ferry money & then native soliders going on leave). Because of which, their death often was not reported for weeks together. After reading about this, I got reminded of some highway robberies which happened in Coorg & Mysore districts in last couple of years. Wayfarers robbed during the night, with the local police actively conniving with the crooks. But what I could understand from the book is that during 1800s, a common language, common religion etc. did not help people look beyond their immediate boundaries and consider others as fellow human beings.

The book has in focus more of thugs who operated in the Narmada, Jabalpore, Jhansi regions of India; but also mentions that thugs also existed in Deccan & Telengana! The book then talks about in detail of how Capt. William Sleeman had this criminal gang in his focus, and how he went ahead and served justice to them. May be a case of the first "big data analysis", he actually got a custom map made which places of all thuggee crimes & murders marked. He also marked the villages which was confirmed to have thugs. Using this map he could use his very small force of Najeebs (mounted policemen), at the right places near the crime hotspots. The Seths (once Seth had lost three of his money transfers to thugs) also started spending some money to get people to start hunting down suspected thugs. Some such "detectives/bounty hunters" actually managed to identify the thugs involved and recover the loot from them. Many such thugs identified also became the first set of approvers for Capt. Sleeman. He & his team also maintained excellent records of the crimes suspected to be done by thugs. So each approver's story (of crimes) was also cross checked with the already made records. Then the entire structure of thug gangs and their Jemadars were identified.

Once the identities were confirmed, the Najeebs did the rest. They toured villages after villages and picked up the suspects. The british had then introduced a new law which also helped the trials against thugs to be conducted in the Company's court (and not at the local rajah's court). Many people were surprised to see that some of the most unsuspected people were actually thugs. Case in point was a British officer who had a loyal manservant, who even took care of his small children. He only took a month's leave in order to meet his old mother. But Sleeman's records proved that during that one month he took to thuggery.

The trials had a specific pattern. Thugs proven (through multiple witnesses) to be involved in more than one murder, was sentenced to death. One proven murder, got transportation for life (with a tatoo of "Thug" placed on the face). Other minor activities as part of thuggery, got very long prison sentences in Indian territory itself. The executions were generally done in public, by hanging (short drop). But the book sights lots of eye-witness accounts which says that there were no case of the thugs actually appearing remorseful or shaken. They strangled people, and it was okay for them to die in a similar fashion.

The connection of thugs & religion is also explained in detail in the book. And it clearly states that thugs were not a religious sect, and their activities were NOT based on any religious book or requirement mandated by religion. There were Hindus & Muslims who were into thuggery. For these people, it was just a job which helped them increase their otherwise meagre income. But all of them were superstitious, and like any average Indian did some worshipping rituals before they started on their killing campaigns. These rituals were essentially Hindu in nature, but even Muslim thugs participated in this. But such rituals were just like what many Hindus in other professions also do before they start important activities. For the thugs, the "patron god" was "Bhowanee/Devi" who Capt. Sleeman and gang assumed to be "Goddess Kali". The book records about a Muslim thug from Deccan who was arrested, and he readily admitted that for him Prophet Mohammed and Islam was the most supreme, but when it comes to thuggery he did pray to "Bhowanee/Devi" !. The book also admits that for British & other Europeans, Indian land and its culture was still a very strange thing, and it was also natural for the "story writers" to come up with stories on thugs which was customised to suit the demands of their readers in Britain & Europe.

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Gus » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:13 pm

lawyer admits he paid money to prawn star shush money ;) , but it's ok - the money came from his pocket and not campaign money, because THAT is the cause for concern here :lol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/p ... trump.html

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Indrad » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:13 pm

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 874450.cms
Subedar Madan Lal martyred saving his family from heavily armed terrorists

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Re: Nukkad

Post by Zynda » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:51 pm

Sachin wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:30 am
Managed to read a book completely Thug: The True Story of India's Murderous Cult
Thanks for summarising the above Sachin saar. I got to know them i.e. Thuggies after Indy Temple of Doom movie. Very interesting...

Wish somebody had given the book to Mr. Spielberg so that he could avoid the "Kali maa" chanting by Amrish Puri.

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