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Bangladeshi infiltration / refugee issue

Post by MehtaRahulC » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:17 am

IMO, the infiltrators from Bangladeshi should be explled and stopped and refugees should be allowed in.
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Refugee is a person who is facing intense harassment, torture, abduction etc problems in Bangladesh and so he has no way but to leave. eg Hindus, Buddhists etc of Bangladesh. But infiltrator is a person who is facing ZERO communal discrimination and harassment in Bangladesh but is coming to India ONLY for better income.
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A Rohingye is refugee ONLY from point of view of Bangladesh, not India. From pov of India, he is infiltrator and NOT refugee. Because even if he is harassed in Myanmar, he should go to Bangladesh and NOT India. So Rohagiye should be expelled.
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And there Hindu, Buddhists, Sikhs etc in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Myanmar, Fiji etc and Tamils in Sri Lanka who are harassed. We should take all of them in India as refugees.
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What can we do to stop\expel infiltrators? And allow in refugees?
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Re: Bangladeshi infiltration / refugee issue

Post by chetak » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:28 pm

MehtaRahulC wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:17 am
IMO, the infiltrators from Bangladeshi should be explled and stopped and refugees should be allowed in.
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Refugee is a person who is facing intense harassment, torture, abduction etc problems in Bangladesh and so he has no way but to leave. eg Hindus, Buddhists etc of Bangladesh. But infiltrator is a person who is facing ZERO communal discrimination and harassment in Bangladesh but is coming to India ONLY for better income.
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A Rohingye is refugee ONLY from point of view of Bangladesh, not India. From pov of India, he is infiltrator and NOT refugee. Because even if he is harassed in Myanmar, he should go to Bangladesh and NOT India. So Rohagiye should be expelled.
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And there Hindu, Buddhists, Sikhs etc in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Myanmar, Fiji etc and Tamils in Sri Lanka who are harassed. We should take all of them in India as refugees.
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What can we do to stop\expel infiltrators? And allow in refugees?
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The minute you investigate someone on the border he/she becomes your property.

You cannot investigate anyone on beedi property, you have no jurisdiction.

So you have to let them into India, hold them at the border and only then can you investigate. This can sometimes take years to complete. Who will feed and house them?? or have you forgotten the lankan refugees who are still refusing to go back to lanka even after so many years of the war being over??

The very minute he/she crosses the border, both he/she and the beedi border guards will say that he/she is Indian and you are trying to push muslim Indians into beediland.

Best is not to let them enter India at all.

let their allah sort out who is a refugee and who is not and simply let the beedis handle the problem. What goes of anyone's father??

or do you have extra place in your large compound to keep these people??

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Re: Bangladeshi infiltration / refugee issue

Post by MehtaRahulC » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:13 am

We dont have to worry about what Bangladesh says
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We need to prove to ourselves that Mr X is NOT Indian citizen but was Bangladeshi citizen once, and then imprison / expel him. Once he is threatened of imprisonment, he will find his way to BD.
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How do we prove that he is Bangladeshi? Simple --- we find a blood relative of him in BD and do DNA test
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How do we find blood relative? We give advertisement in BD that "report a BD blood relative of yours in India, submit your DNA and get Rs 1 lakh cash if that BD in India is found to be your blood relative". And once a person is proved to be Bangladeshi using DNA tests with his relative in BD, narcotest that guy in public and get more names out of him.
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Once we find, prove and imprison some 20000 Bangladeshi in India using his method, rest 2 crore will flee back to their homes in BD. So cost of rewards = 20000 * Rs 1 lakh = Rs 200 crore onlee.
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This is for BD infiltrators. The refugees i.e. minorities in Bangldesh who are persecuted because of their being non muslim, should be allowed to stay in India except in Asam, West Bengal, Mumbai, Delhi and coastal / borderand crowded areas.

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Re: Bangladeshi infiltration / refugee issue

Post by SRoy » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:45 am

Mehtaji,

The problem is petty greed.

Get the BSF to stop accepting bribe. The asking rate by BSF at the border crossing point nearest to my ancestral place is INR 3000.

And then ask people to stop employing BDs for lower wages. Instead employ local workers, at a slightly better wages. This will improve the lot of the local population and will be a disincentive for BDs to roam all over India.

This will work at multiple levels. In the beginning some Bengali Muslims will get misidentified as BD and will lose employment, but then in turn the Bengali Muslims will create the political pressure to drive out these BD to secure their own financial well being. Money works.

Finally, I have said it many times. Employ Bengalis themselves to hound out the BDs.

I am not talking about secular Bengalis on this forum, but people like me that have roots is undivided India and are still connected to the ground.

We don't need a DNA test. We can identify a BD the moment he or she opens their mouth. We can identify the BD district from which the infiltrator hails.

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Re: Bangladeshi infiltration / refugee issue

Post by bharotshontan » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:45 pm

Why not just have provisions whereby the Indian embassy in Bangladesh is able to provide citizenship to any Bangladeshi Hindu or Buddhist that applies for it? Everyone else coming from BD via covert means are illegal.

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Re: Bangladeshi infiltration / refugee issue

Post by chetak » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:00 pm

This is why we are unable to stop beedi infiltration and the rohingiyas flooding into India.

The creep probably got very greedy and did not take care of the little guys working with him.


BSF commandant held with Rs 45 lakh ‘bribe money’


BSF commandant held with Rs 45 lakh ‘bribe money’


Jibu D Mathew, Commandant of the BSF’s 83rd battalion, was nabbed when he deboarded Shalimar Express at Alappuzha, CBI sources said.

A BSF commandant, posted on the Indo-Bangladesh border, was arrested by the CBI for allegedly accepting bribes from smugglers. The commandant (a position equivalent to superintendent of police) was arrested with Rs 45 lakh in cash, which the CBI said was suspected to be bribe money.

Jibu D Mathew, Commandant of the BSF’s 83rd battalion, was nabbed when he deboarded Shalimar Express at Alappuzha, CBI sources said. They said that the arrest was made following a tip-off about an alleged corruption case.

A CBI team along with an independent witness trailed him in the AC-1 coach of the train from Erankulam junction, they said.

The commandant was intercepted when he got down at Alappuzha, the sources added.

On interrogating Mathew, it was found that he got the money as illegal gratification for favours he extended to smugglers operating on the India-Bangladesh border, according to the FIR.


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Re: Bangladeshi infiltration / refugee issue

Post by chetak » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:26 am

Unbelievable!!!.

IA lose precious lives preventing infiltration and the MEA lets them in without restraint or care.

Enough of this people to people nonsense and the subvesive actions of the MEA.

Take full biometrics of the pakis and the beedis, ensure that they have verified adhar identified sponsors in India, take a deposit of 10 Lakhs from each visa seeker and his/her sponsor and send the pakis / beedis back in a month.

Allot 1000 visas per country per month and issue only those many as the number who have returned the previous month.

Get rid of the medical visas all together.

Security is more important than the so called "goodwill" of your sworn enemies.



Threat of Pakistan and Bangladesh’s spying network in India

Threat of Pakistan and Bangladesh’s spying network in India

Government of India should train the population of border areas to identify and catch possible ISI infiltrators.

Shubham Verma @theshubhamv

17-04-2017

A few days ago, Pakistan kidnapped a retired Indian Navy officer Kulbhushan Jadhav from Iran and has tried to brand him as a spy. The case is now in the Supreme Court of Pakistan. On one side, Pakistan has caught an old Navy officer in the name of spying, while on the other hand Pakistan is involved in much breaking India activities on the Indian Territory in a much larger scale. We all know that terrorism is increasing in the world and Islamic state is spreading their nefarious ideas in the Middle East. It is an alarming situation for India because it is one of the most populous country and contains second largest Muslim population in the world. The situation is alarming because Islamic state is trying to radicalize Muslim youth by sending their preachers to all countries. From, America to Europe whole world is facing this problem of terrorism because of radicalization of youngsters of a certain community.

Now, why is the situation in India is alarming? The answer comes from the recent events in our Rajya Sabha. Renowned intellectual, MP and BJP Vice president, Dr Vinay Sahasrabuddhe has asked these questions in the Rajya Sabha related to overstaying of Pakistani and Bangladeshi tourists and the answer given by Minister Kiren Rijiju is shocking. I am sharing these questions and answers in this article to show you why these figures are shocking:

Questions by Dr. Vinay P.Sahasrabuddhe:

How many Pakistani and Bangladeshi nationals were issued Visas under various categories during 2014-15 ?

Whether Government has any record to state as to how many of them have returned to their own countries after the expiry of their Visa, if not, the reasons there for ?

Answer given by minister of state in the ministry of home affairs:
(SHRI KIREN RIJIJU) (Date: 5.04.2017)

(a) The number of visas issued under various categories to Pakistan and Bangladesh nationals during the years 2014 and 2015 are as follows:

Year Pakistan Bangladesh
2014 94993 652919
2015 77543 751044


(b) The numbers of Pakistan and Bangladesh nationals who overstayed and later departed during the period 1.1.2014-31.12.2015 are as follows:

Country Overstayed Departed after overstay
Pakistan 48510 12200
Bangladesh 20870 8387


The data clearly shows that in 2014-15, 48510 Pakistani nationals who came to India on Visa, overstayed in India out of which 12200 were caught and departed while others are absconding. Similarly, 20870 Bangladeshi nationals who came to India on Visa, overstayed in India out of which 8387 were caught and departed while others are absconding. It is an alarming situation for India because 36,310 Pakistanis and 12483 Bangladeshis are absconding in the Indian Territory.

Our soldiers are fighting hard in the borders to stop Pakistani and Bangladeshi infiltration. On the one hand, these soldiers are guarding our borders sacrificing their lives and families, while on the other hand more than 50,000 infiltrators have entered in India through Visa and have absconded. Now, no one knows their intentions and, their locations cannot be traced. It is a big security concern for our nation which was rightly raised by Dr Vinay Sahasrabuddhe in Rajya Sabha. The Government is looking prominent into fighting terrorism and they are doing great work in securing our borders, but they also need to look into this matter seriously because we cannot ignore the possibility that some of these infiltrators could be terrorists or spies.

As published in the book ‘Pakistan’s Network of terror in India’ by SK Ghosh, two lakh Pakistani nationals visit India every year. Many among them go underground and settle down in India unnoticed. There has been a good deal of laxity on the part of our police and security staff in this regard. In some cases, ISI uses the underground Pakistanis as its agents. Passengers of Thar express, which comes from Pakistan should be checked thoroughly and there is a need to increase number and efficiency of custom officers who check the passengers of Thar express at Munabao station. Pakistani’s indulge in activities that are linked to Pakistan’s game plan of expanding its activities into cities and towns. It is not that all are involves in subversive activities. But ISI agents blackmail these persons to act as couriers and informers. More and more Pakistanis, who initially come to India as bonafide visitors are eventually signing up with subversive organizations.

The arrest and interrogation of ISI agents from Pakistan operating in different parts of India, over the years, have revealed that with the help of fundamentalist Muslim organizations, mushrooming in the country, hundreds of Indian Muslim youth have been recruited, trained in Pakistan, POK, and the neighboring Bangladesh and employed by the ISI for the purpose of spreading terrorism in India. These Indian Muslim youth are mostly from riot torn areas. They are illiterate, unemployed and come from poor families, mostly from cities. Not much is known about the number of such recruits, employed as they are as street children and live in dark and dingy ghettos.

Because of religious affinity and high wages paid by the ISI they are susceptible to the guiles of ISI agents. It is easy for the ISI agents to find shelter in the house of leaders of fundamentalist Muslim organizations, who negotiate with the families of the recruits. In this way, the fundamentalist Muslim organizations are maintained with money provided by the ISI. Madrasas, mushrooming in the country, are not infrequently used as recruiting centre’s for Indian Muslim youth by the ISI. Aalims, Fazils and Maulanas passing out from Madrasas find no employment, and consequently, they end up serving the cause of fundamentalist Muslim organizations. In recent years, Madrasas have been growing rapidly in the international border districts.

Nearly 3000 madrasas affiliated to the country’s largest Islamic seminary, Darul Uloom, Deoband, have decided to shun any government aid for modernisation and to stay away from modern teaching- “We are not in favour of mixing religious teachings with modern teachings. We are devoted fully to religious teachings. We are for ‘deen ka ilm’ and ‘deen ki hifazat’ (religious teachings and protection of religion). For other modern subjects, there are other institutions,” Nomani told The Indian Express on Wednesday. From where, this type of Arabisation and fundamentalism is coming in the minds of Indian minority institutions? This needs to be checked by security agencies to save our minority youths from being radicalized.

It is not just the activities the Pakistani visitors are indulging in that should be a cause for worry. What the ministers of home and external affairs need to put their heads together on now is the ease with which the VISA holders manage to give the police a slip. Both Pakistan and India, grant only city specific VISA to each other’s nationals, who are required to report to the Foreigner’s Registration office within 24 hours of their arrival. They also have to inform the authorities of any onward journey to another city 24 hours before the departure. Yet, Pakistani visitors manage to overstay and even go underground. In several cases, they are arrested from places, often sensitive border area like Jaisalmer and Barmer, which are not mentioned on their Visas.

Examples of some incidents of espionage in India:

December 27, 2015: A Revenue Inspector, identified as Birbal Khan was arrested on charges of spying for Pakistan. Sources told there is possibility of a ‘huge network of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spies’ being neutralised, adding that more arrests are likely in coming days. The youth detained on was taking photographs of the preparations of the Indian Air Force’s soon-to-be-held Iron Fist exercise at the highly sensitive Chandan field firing range in Jaisalmer. He was also clicking photographs of other sensitive areas nearby.

February 25, 2013: The computer-savvy Sumer Khan was arrested near Pokhran’s Chandan firing range in Jaisalmer for passing on information on the airbase of the Indian Air. During interrogation Khan, who was allegedly passing on information to Pakistan for the past three years, is believed to have told the investigators that he was getting classified documents from Surendra posted with the foreign desk’s dispatch section of the Union home ministry.

Khan was caught after his calls and e-mails to Pakistan were intercepted by intelligence sleuths.

A native of Karmu-ki-Dhani, a hamlet close to the Chandan airbase, he also kept track of army movements in the range and had visited Pakistan in 2011 and 2012. He was trained in identifying vehicles and war planes.

March 26, 2016: At least 35 Pakistani nationals were held by the Rajasthan Police for having incomplete documents in Ramdevra District.

The list is long but these are few examples which can prove that the situation is alarming in India and we need to handle it with care and precision. The home ministry statement given in Rajya Sabha while replying to the question of Dr Vinay P. Sahasrabuddhe is:

“Law enforcing agencies maintain a vigil to intercept the foreigners overstaying in India. In genuine cases, where the overstay is unintentional or because of ignorance or under compelling circumstances, the period of overstay is regularized and visa extension fee is charged for the overstay period. Where the overstay is found to be intentional, the foreigner is served with Leave India Notice and penalty/visa fee for the period of overstay is charged as per instructions. Legal action under Foreigners Act is also taken based on merit of each case which includes placing the name of the foreigners in the Black List.”

There is no doubt that incumbent government is taking necessary measures to stop infiltration and fighting terrorism, but government should also train the population of border areas to identify and catch these infiltrators. The people, by and large are not aware of the ISI and its modus operandi. Education of local people is of urgent necessity and this must be arranged in every city and town, big and small, throughout the country. Good intelligence can prevent many deaths.

References-

Pakistans Network of Terror in India : A book by SK Ghosh

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... ncial-aid/ ( Indian Express : March 26, 2015 )

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... dents.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/susp ... 56608.html

http://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan ... 69285.html

Answer Given by Kiren Rijiju in parliament

Disclaimer: The facts and opinions expressed within this article are the personal opinions of the author. IndiaFacts does not assume any responsibility or liability for the accuracy, completeness, suitability, or validity of any information in this article.

Shubham Verma
Shubham Verma is a Researcher and writer working with Public Policy Research Centre, New Delhi. His research focus is on Social sciences, Indian culture, Internal security and Rural development. He is the founder of Azad Gurukul.

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