The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Primus » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:52 pm

crams wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:06 pm
Guys, I am 100% in synch with tourism minister Alphon's take on this 'aadhar will strip privacy rights' cacophony against aadhar by ModiJi haters. And of course, the western toadies stationed on Delhi pick this crap up from our Lutyen elites and puke the same in their media. Latest being a hit job against aadhar in the WP. The silly chick Ritika whatever puked in the NYT several weeks earlier.

Fact is, we give up our privacy on a range of issues: from location tracking on our mobiles to as the honorable ministers says, striping but naked before condescending hateful white immigration officers to get a US visa

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 453753.cms

Fact of the matter is that on balance, aadhar solves more problems which is much needed in a dirt poor country like India than. Benefits of aadhar are very well knows. But opponents have latched onto a privacy loophole here or there and create a huge hue and cry. I mean WTF, do millions of Indians give a f!ck for all the arguments these Lutyens like Ritika Khera make when they start seeing the benefits? All this crap about "privacy" impresses whites no doubt, but even whites talk a lot about privacy, but nobody raised a little finger when NSA was wiretapping phone calls because they knew that it was done to trap p!ssful involved in terror plots.
If you check her antecedents, Reethika Khera is most active on The Wire, Huff Post, Livemint, Bloomberg Quint, Scroll.in, NDTV, Countercurrents, South Asia Citizens Web etc. The last one, SACW is part of the incestuous network of BIF sites, with prominent members being Biju Mathew and company. See the following: https://www.hafsite.org/south-asia-citi ... induphobia

I agree completely with the minister on this one and it is bizarre for TOI to call it 'bizarre logic' but then we know where TOIlet comes from. In fact, just being on FB, Google and having a smart phone reveals more about you as an individual than Aadhar would, but it is all about making the right kind of noise.

Another issue that was brought to my attention by SHQ was the recent interview by another of the BIF crew, one Anjali Kamat, on NPR.

Notice how cleverly she conflates Trump with a small politico in the BJP and by reference tarnishes the entire government and of course Modi. Her agenda becomes clearer when she comes up with this:

KAMAT: The Trump Organization's current partner in Mumbai is the Lodha Group, which was founded by a man named Mangal Prabhat Lodha. And he is a five-term state lawmaker with a party called the Bharatiya Janata Party, or the BJP. And that's the party that the country's prime minister, Narendra Modi, belongs to. So it's the ruling party in India since 2014. They've been winning state elections since 2014. They're gaining power across the country.

The BJP is a Hindu nationalist party, and top leaders at the party have openly scapegoated Muslims for years. And Mangal Prabhat Lodha himself has pushed for several laws and made public statements that either demonize Muslims or call for the criminalization of industries that are primarily run by Muslims. This is the man that the Trump Organization is partnered with currently in Mumbai building this enormous, 800-foot, gold-hued tower.


And later in the same piece, of course the inevitable:

KAMAT: Modi came to power on an anti-corruption platform. He is a well-known long-standing Hindu nationalist leader. And he's a member of various Hindu nationalist movements that feed into his political party, the BJP. But what doesn't get talked about so much anymore - the part of his history that's been largely erased in India - is his history as the chief minister of the state of Gujarat, to which he attracted a lot of foreign investment. And he's seen as a very pro-business guy in Gujarat. But he was also chief minister of that state when there was a massacre of Muslims. Several hundred Muslims were killed in mob attacks in 2002, and he was widely accused of doing nothing to prevent it when he was running the state.

This actually ended up getting him into a lot of trouble internationally. Under the Bush administration, he was denied a visa to the United States in 2005. This didn't change until 2013, the year before he was elected. Meanwhile, he was rehabilitated politically on an international stage - largely thanks to that man you heard introducing Donald Trump at that event in Edison, Shalabh Kumar, who organized a congressional delegation to Gujarat. Since 2014, he's been the prime minister of India and was elected on an anti-corruption platform.


It seems that if you mention Trump and Modi in the same sentence repeatedly, people will start connecting the two and the witch hunt for the former is easily translated and transferred to the latter.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:02 pm

SSundar wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:46 am
chetak wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:16 pm
https://www.ucanews.com/news/modi-holds ... ndia/81857

Cardinal Gracias, who is also president of the Federation of Asian Bishops' Conferences, said he also drew Modi's attention to the situation facing minority communities in India, including a recent attack on a Catholic hospital and nuns in Ujjain.
What incident is this? Similar to the Delhi Church "attacks"?
Looks like this one

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Primus » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:09 pm

^ From Scroll.

Of course any incident involving church property is automatically

1. Assumed to be done by Hindu fanatics
2. Assumed done as a hate crime
3. Assumed nuns were bodily harmed even if there weren't any on the premises- because this gets maximum traction in the Western Media.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Lilo » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:43 pm

Dumal wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:48 pm

My take, FWIW, is that precisely because this is an anonymous and worse yet, an unmoderated forum, this is bound to happen. The ultra-right, the centrist and the left will never be able to co-exist peacefully in these open forums. If we all were working in an office we will probably get along ok, even if not chummy. But the owners/moderators in their wisdom want to keep this open season but for how long?
I don't care much for equal equal arguments in this case.

MYTY poser Chandragupta has been shit posting targeting Namo/RSS since this forum began. People gave him a wide berth and let it slide continuously initially probably in good faith.Now he is brazenly after NaMo/RSS, the one redeemable brightspot in our entire corrupt and hinduphobic political spectrum.
I was compelled to start posting/responding since a month back just to bust the regular pro BIF agenda peddlers massing and making merry here unopposed like CG Trilobite or RM.

Most of the posters here were either somnolent or like sheep being swayed by what ever latest MYTY outrage posers like chandragupta cross post from SM without an iota of self analysis (actually strike that)... it's crossposting from SM with an agenda most foul to i.e to target BJP/RSS by hook or crook.

Today with this Uighur post it became crystal clear that this MYTY poser chandragupta doesn't even read the links he himself posts and he posts them with the sole aim to evoke outrage on BJP/RSS.

Now my question to you Dumal ji is why did you not your self counter the assiniely obvious lying claims of Chandragupta whenever he made them
Some of his claims I list below paraphrased
1)NaMo is giving missionaries a free run by issuing them visas.
2)BJP is targeting Hindu refugees in Rajasthan and sending them back to Pakistan.
3)GOI intentionally "allowed" rohingya to settle in jammu.
4)Kashmir is being overrun with Uighur and the GOI is sleeping.
5)Namo stopped his speech to avoid speaking over azaan (not the kejriwalesqe rehearsed sikular manner but in his own polite yet firm style), so he is sikular and minority appeasing.
6)Never heard Namo ever speak up on communal violence perpetrated by muslims.
7)Namo cannot even "direct" SC to extend the deadline to do a proper population enumeration in Assam even though he has "full majority" and is in power in center and Assam.
8)When more autonomy was given to top 60 universities in India based on fixed criteria he jumps up here and demands why JNU and Jadavpure are on the list.
9)Claimed that BJP will not protect the interests of its own cadre/workers in Bihar beheading incident.
10)Wants NaMo to bring a two child law targeted at Muslims first instead of using other simpler and effective approaches like making more Muslim girls educated, removing TTT threat on their marriage etc. He claims "I don't expect Modi to do this in this term and have little expectations that he will ever do it." on the two child policy. Wonder where he has been promised by NaMo that he will implement the two child policy. Best example of dissing NaMo by making perfect the enemy of the good.
11)Claims RSS is finishing off localized to gorakhpur HYV because it is jealous and doesn't want competition from it. Links a scroll farticle as proof.
12)Claims NaMo has onlee put lipstick on a pig with respect to ease of business ranking advance in dealing with govt babus and that the single window system doesn't work without needing corruption.
13)Claimed bjp amended FCRA for party funds even though it's supposedly "subjudice" but doesn't touch other subjudice issues. Yes go ahead and laugh at the "subjudice law" concept invented here.

And so on (without an end actually,I only covered his last one month posting) to the dissing and whining and 24x7 agenda peddling targeting NaMo/RSS

You maintained pin drop silence when he was making above such claims Yet now you amble in and give cute ultra-right, centrist, leftist characterizations and give a equal equal banal posting without any merit.

Anyway if you Dumal ji and others step up and do some self digging/original analysis (instead of just consuming the agenda set in SM and cross-posted into BGR by likes of CG) to regularly step up to counter and bust such MYTY poser agenda I will voluntarily and most happily go back to lurk mode.
Else step aside and I'll keep doing my best.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Dumal » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:24 pm

Lilo wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:43 pm
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Else step aside and I'll keep doing my best.
Lilo ji, so your goal is to make a point (or many points) to those that you consider "crazies", and get them over to your side right? Well, wish you the very best!

I am of the opinion that the GDF type forum is the most effective in dealing with today's politics. Of course, the other gangs can have their own version of GDF or BGR or whatever. That was my main point above. There is no need to bite my head off! Thanks.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Lilo » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:40 pm

Dumal wrote:Lilo ji, so your goal is to make a point (or many points) to those that you consider "crazies", and get them over to your side right?
I don't want to give a free pass to the poser MYTY agenda most foul which has been mostly the case since BGF began.
That is all.
Who would want to convert these "crazies" ?
I know a gone case when I see one.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:42 pm

5 judge SC bench to hear nikah halala and polygamy.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:49 pm

Enemy Property Act auctions to begin.

www.opindia.com/2018/03/modi-govt-selli ... kh-crores/

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:52 am

Rahul M wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:59 am
RM, EC had an open challenge for people to display how EVM's can be hacked.

Did YOU, as in Rahul the Mehta,
a) participate in said challenge ?
AND
b) prove the possibility of EVM's being hacked to the satisfaction of at least one recognized media outlet (newspaper/news channel/news service) ?

If not, you are talking out of your hat and need to edit your above post and say categorically that your DO NOT have any proof whatsoever of the things you are saying. Also, any further UPSC essay style posts on this thread would constitute trolling.
In which case appropriate steps will be taken.
(1) ECI had first set hackathon date to some date in april (or may) 2017. And I had gone to ECI main office, Delhi on that day 9.30 am sharp. The opretoar had no clue. So I showed him ePaper. I waited in ground floor lounge for about 2 hours, and operator kept calling ECI officers upstarirs. And at around 11am, I was told that date has been shifted to jun first week and the exact date will be announced by may end !! So I came back empty handed

(2) Then ECI changed rule that ONLY nationally recognized party or state recognized political party will be allowed , and NOT independent hackers !!! I hate all these parties , including congress/rss/aap because imo they are all corrupt to core. But then also, I contacted congress/rss/aap/bsp/JD etc workers I know. RSS workers flatly refused. Congress workers connected me to Kapil Sibbalji and Ahmed Patelji (because I was told that they were in-charge of anti-EVM movement in congress), and Ankit Lal of AAP, and apex leaders in Janata Dal etc. They all first asked me meet their juniors. Some volunteer in congress had my several youtube videos where I mentioned the FACT that "Sonia Gandhi is avataar of Ravan's sister Soorpankha" !! That created bad taste in everyone's mouth. But they got me appointment with Kapil Sibbalji and Ahmed Patelji. And I also spoke to Ankit Lal of AAP, JD apex leaders etc. I had told them that I would NOT meet SoGa/RaGa or ArKe. Not did they want me to meet. So meetings with them was not on table anyway.

(3) I convinced some of them to write letters to ECI that ECI should give 10 EVMs for reverse engineering and next month we will rig NOT the EVMs we took home but we will rig brand new EVM !! Thats how hackathon in US do --- they allow hackers to take EVM or other equipment to their labs , and later day, the hackers have to hack NOT the machines they took to lab, but NEW machines. ECI refused that they wont even let us see the opened EVM forget taking it to our labs. IOW, the hackathon was a jokathon

(4) Next , I convinced leaders to write letters to ECI that after ECI's demo is over, ECO should let us give a DEMO with same EVM but different open lose CABLE. ECI also refused that that they will NOT allow us to give demo with new set of cables

(5) So I decided NOT to go. And the parties told me that I cant get a copy of that letter because they dont want to ruin relation with ECI.

(6) I contacted Hariprasad (he is my FB friend). He too showed no interest and said that conditions are too "strict". He didnt want to elaborate because he is facing police case for EVM stealing tempering etc.

(7) Next, ECI said that we wont be allowed to take our camera and record the events there !!!

(8) Totally, I had to do 3 trips from Ahmedabad to Delhi, had had to stay in Delhi for about 20 days in hotel and all expenses were borne by my post tax income and income of another ahmedabad based activist. Unless RSS, we dont see foreign donations = bribes, be open or confidential nor do we seek donations = bribes from any company.
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And your question is useless wrt to EVM topic. Just because I didnt go to hackathon, that does NOT prove that NO ONE in India can replace lose unmarked unnumbered lose open EVM cables. And my not going to hackathon doesnt prove that votes cant be tempered once lose cables are replaced. I am talking about "tempering VVPAT-EVM aka EVM2 using cable replacement" method. Pls note that my not going to JOKATHON (which ECI called as hackathon) has no bearing on integrity of EVMs.

Now till date , no moderator on BRF ever asked any BRFites to tally his actions outside internet with his posts on BRF. This is the first time when a moderator is asking a postor to show that his posts are in synch with his actions outside forum. I sincerely thank you for giving me so much attention.
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And btw, what are YOUR views on Modiji's decision to allow anonymous donations from FOREIGN companies to political parties? What are you views on Modiji's decision to harass Hindu school owners using RTE via CMs like David Fadnavis? Pls also spend some time on other important events.

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And there are postors like Lilo and many who are throwing curse words on postors, and write dozen posts a day. Whereas I write only 7 posts a week, and throw no curse words even when curse words are thrown at me.

Here are some sentences from past of just past 3 pages
Who the F wants to convince two bit losers like you for anything? You behave like you have single handedly placed Modi into 7 RCR and now go around shutting anyone who has an opinion.
Go f*ck yourself. Put people on ignore list when topics become too touchy for you.
Lilo dumbf**k, where did I blame BJP in my post? And Trilobite is now my partner? Malaidar life? Critters like you are the reason why we were enslaved in the first place. I am sure you have some jaichand blood running in your veins.
Lilo dumbf**k, where did I blame BJP in my post? ....

Next time you rip your blouse :shock: :? & do chest beating, read my posts carefully. I was not blaming BJP for Uighurs, I was implying something that may become reality in the next few years. I am not doing 'rudali' for 'few thousand Rohingya slipping
Above is just 1% of total such posts.

So instead of giving so much time on me, pls give some time to discipline Lilo and other postors who go around insulting other postors

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by KL Dubey » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:27 am

^^^

Rahulbhai Mehta (brief CV: one of India's finest masters of "jamanat zabti" in elections), this time I have to agree with you.

The blurb on the BGR homepage says "this forum is strictly moderated", in which case I fail to understand why the Mods are inactive. Perhaps they are waiting to see which other worms crawl out of the woodwork and reveal themselves before swatting them all. Sadly, I think you should be swatted off as well since your usefulness in any kind of realistic discussion is way past expiry date.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:09 am

three nominated MPs terms are up next month. so add three to NDA tally.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by KL Dubey » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:28 am

Amit Shah's hard hitting intryoos on Parsontak and Times Later:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GZQ8D3gAOw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Xs3pzN6G4

He emphatically says the party will win a "prachanda bahumat" in Karnataka. I am of the same view, especially seeing Siddaramayya's desperate antics.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by KL Dubey » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:38 am

With the 3 NE states done and dusted, time to shift focus on Karnataka. EC will announce the dates today.

"Amittashaji" (as he is referred to by the cadre in KL) turns up the heat:

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 36997.html

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:52 am

Supratik wrote:5 judge SC bench to hear nikah halala and polygamy.
One one hand the RJB case is just going on & on, but now I see another front being opened in parallel. The first was the Triple Talaq now followed by Nikah-E-Halala etc. etc. From the area where I come, generally even Muslims have one wife, but don't know the situation in the Northern lands. And if it is a major problem out there, this case again most likely would cause fissures in the Muslim Vote Bank and the "seculars" may get worried.
KL Dubey wrote:"Amittashaji" (as he is referred to by the cadre in KL) turns up the heat:
"അമിട്ട് ഷാജി" (Amittu Shaji) is the monicker the KL commies have given to him, and it translates into Shaji (a common KL name) dealing with rocket bombs (Amittu). Earlier this was used in a derogatory way, but after Tripura also going away from the commies the old attitudes have changed a bit.

But all said and done, I still prefer a hung assembly in KA with perhaps the JD(S) and BJP getting good amount of seats. Some how I get a feeling that if BJP comes to power in KA, their shenanigans would cause very high damage to the party at the national level.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:31 am

With Karnataka Never Having Voted the Ruling Party Back in 3 Decades, Can Siddaramaiah Buck the Trend?
(CNN IBN)


As can be expected from CNN IBN, its a puff piece about how INC will return to power in KA. Sadly, some of it rings true, even. Sigh.
In this election, new issues have cropped up. Siddaramaiah is defending his five-year rule on development plank. He is also banking on minority tag for Lingayats, primacy of Kannada in Karnataka, north south divide, etc.

Pre-poll surveys, done by independent poll agencies and some commissioned by the Congress, claim that anti-incumbency is surprisingly low in the polls.

They claim that Siddaramaiah has endeared himself to the masses through his populist schemes and by holding on to his core vote bank of Minorities, Backward Classes and Dalits known as AHINDA.

Even though there have been several corruption charges against his government, all failed to stick and the opposition has failed to link them to Siddaramaiah.

The backward class leader Siddaramaiah is now deftly playing a Hindu and son-of-the- soil card to stop BJP in its tracks. He is also making the rounds of temples and mutts to shed the image of an anti-upper caste leader.

He is also setting the agenda forcing the BJP to react, a new for the Congress.

The BJP looks confused as its strategies don't seem to be working. Yeddyurappa is now being branded by the Congress as a corrupt leader promoted by Modi and Shah.

The Lingayat strongman is also in a fix over Lingayat religion issue. The Congress claims that he is no longer a top leader of the community and the religion card will get substantial Lingayat votes for the ruling party.

The BJP is now focusing more on making it a Modi versus Siddaramaiah fight rather than a Siddaramaiah versus Yeddyurappa fight.

The PM is likely to hit the ground in the next two weeks to take on the Congress. The Congress president Rahul Gandhi has been touring the state for over two months and he is getting a good response to his public meetings.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:01 am

Looks like Kerala has aldready become ISIS, RJ who supported 3 Muslim girls for dancing for the Malayalam song Jimki Kamal hacked to death. Congrats to PFI and Political Parties PFI supports.

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... jured.html

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandragupta » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:40 am

Lilo wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:43 pm
Dumal wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:48 pm

My take, FWIW, is that precisely because this is an anonymous and worse yet, an unmoderated forum, this is bound to happen. The ultra-right, the centrist and the left will never be able to co-exist peacefully in these open forums. If we all were working in an office we will probably get along ok, even if not chummy. But the owners/moderators in their wisdom want to keep this open season but for how long?
I don't care much for equal equal arguments in this case.

MYTY poser Chandragupta has been shit posting targeting Namo/RSS since this forum began. People gave him a wide berth and let it slide continuously initially probably in good faith.Now he is brazenly after NaMo/RSS, the one redeemable brightspot in our entire corrupt and hinduphobic political spectrum.
I was compelled to start posting/responding since a month back just to bust the regular pro BIF agenda peddlers massing and making merry here unopposed like CG Trilobite or RM.

Yeah so I am now equal to lefty AAPtard & Hindu hater Trilobite just because this fuckbag thinks so. All this badmouthing another person's opinion just because it gets your pink panties in a twist, quite deplorable.

Most of the posters here were either somnolent or like sheep being swayed by what ever latest MYTY outrage posers like chandragupta cross post from SM without an iota of self analysis (actually strike that)... it's crossposting from SM with an agenda most foul to i.e to target BJP/RSS by hook or crook.
Hahaha..so other posters here are like sheep and you being the Lord needs to show them the way by casting 'MYTY outrage posers' like me? You read 2-3 of my posts and it caused such severe diarrhea to you that you now are in some kind of delusion that only & only you know best. Only & only you are the reason why BJP won, is winning & will win and the rest of us are complaining 'posers'?

Today with this Uighur post it became crystal clear that this MYTY poser chandragupta doesn't even read the links he himself posts and he posts them with the sole aim to evoke outrage on BJP/RSS.

Now my question to you Dumal ji is why did you not your self counter the assiniely obvious lying claims of Chandragupta whenever he made them
Some of his claims I list below paraphrased
1)NaMo is giving missionaries a free run by issuing them visas.
Huh? Where did I say this? Can you back your verbal diarrhea with some facts? I never made this statement.

2)BJP is targeting Hindu refugees in Rajasthan and sending them back to Pakistan.
Again, the severe itch in the tear in your backside is evident here. Where did I blame BJP for sending Hindu refugees back to Pakistan? Here is what I said -

While 1 Lakh+ Rohingy are enjoying the hospitality of India.

https://t.co/o0DRs9V1qD

Shame.


I don't see where I claimed that "BJP is targeting Hindu refugees in Rajasthan and sending them back to Pakistan. ", you lying fucktard.



3)GOI intentionally "allowed" rohingya to settle in jammu.



Do you have comprehension issues? Where did I say that GoI intentionally allowed Rohigya to settle in Jammu? But is it not a fact that the Rohingya are there now? Should I overlook this national security nightmare just because it offends your fucktardy sensibilities? Why should I not talk about it? Is the center not responsible for internal security? I have all the right to ask what was HMO doing and what they are doing to throw this Muzzy scum out. You have a problem with it, go fuck yourself.




4)Kashmir is being overrun with Uighur and the GOI is sleeping.



You have serious comprehension issues again. Perhaps it is the deadly dose of methane you sniff in whatver shithole you dwell in.

Here is what I said -
Come one, come all (Muslims only!)

Al-Jazeera English
@AJEnglish

A second & third generation of Uighurs Muslims far removed from their Chinese homeland find home in Jammu & Kashmir aje.io/7sgl

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/f ... ssion=true

Where did I say that Kashmir is being overrun with Uighur & that GoI is sleeping? But I did follow up and said that we must keep an eye on this. If the Rohngya can land in J&K, the Uighurs certainly will and the local Muslims will gladly let them set up camp.



5)Namo stopped his speech to avoid speaking over azaan (not the kejriwalesqe rehearsed sikular manner but in his own polite yet firm style), so he is sikular and minority appeasing.


Absolutely. I have an issue with this. This 5 times a day routine of humiliating Non-Muslims by shouting there is no god but Allah must end. I will not like if any Hindu leader respects this nonsense. I still maintain I do not agree with what Modi did. I don't care what 2 bit fucktards like you think.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 148497.cms

Why o why o why?

More importantly, what is a loudspeaker doing in a mosque in the heart of Lutyens' Delhi and so close to BJP HQ? Isn't there a rule against using loud speakers? And the PM stopping to respect this illegal act shows exactly what?





6)Never heard Namo ever speak up on communal violence perpetrated by muslims.

BJP has been reactive. There was no need to make that remark about Gaurakshaks that Modi did. The more you appease these sickulars & Islamists, the more they are emboldened. They must be ignored like the snakes they (and you) are.

Yes, I want Modi to stop doing 'Sabka saath sabka vikaas' and 'Ek haath me Quran, ek haath me Computer'. The Muslims of India are not interested in Vikas, nor in Computer. Not one Muslim will vote for him in 2019, TT bill or Halala or Polygamy - he can move the earth for Muslim women, even then only a paltry few may break away. He must not spend his political capital on lost causes.



7)Namo cannot even "direct" SC to extend the deadline to do a proper population enumeration in Assam even though he has "full majority" and is in power in center and Assam.


This is getting frustrating now. This is what I said -

So disappointing.

Assam has BJP government, can the center and state governments not do anything? What is the point of havinga majority government in the center if Modi intends to surrender national security - be it Rohingyas or BDs - to Milords in the SC??

Think of it this way - would a Congress' majority government in the center allow SC to deport Rohingyas and BDs?

But saying this would offend blind Modi worshipers who pounce upon anyone who would dare criticise this Govt.


I did not say why can't Namo 'direct' SC to do anything. I made a point that with such majority & with Govts in Center & State, BJP must seize the initiative and not lose control to SC. National security is outside judiciary's purview, is it not? Why does saying this get your panties in a knot?



8)When more autonomy was given to top 60 universities in India based on fixed criteria he jumps up here and demands why JNU and Jadavpure are on the list.

Yes, why are JNU & Jadavpur - dens of Maoism & Break India Forces on any list? I would rather have them closed and converted to Army cantonment.



9)Claimed that BJP will not protect the interests of its own cadre/workers in Bihar beheading incident.

Idiot, BJP's Sushil Modi went out of his way to refute the blatant Communal angle. A Hindu worker lost his head & this fucktard said it is due to a land dispute. You agree with him?


10)Wants NaMo to bring a two child law targeted at Muslims first instead of using other simpler and effective approaches like making more Muslim girls educated, removing TTT threat on their marriage etc. He claims "I don't expect Modi to do this in this term and have little expectations that he will ever do it." on the two child policy. Wonder where he has been promised by NaMo that he will implement the two child policy. Best example of dissing NaMo by making perfect the enemy of the good.


This one is the best. So you oppose a 2 child policy? Are you a rice bag convert or a Jehadi masquerading as a Hindu here? Simpler & effective approaches like girl education and removing TT? Is a 3 child ban not the MOST effective way to control demographics? What's wrong if I want NaMo to do something? He is my PM as well, no? I voted for him, I did whatever I could in 2013-2014, contributed to the best of my ability to NaMo campaign. I have no right to even suggest policy on an open forum?
Post by Chandragupta » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:47 pm

kittoo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:46 am
Chandragupta wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:31 pm
I was reading an answer on Quora about Muslim growth rate and there was an answer on Bihar. So I asked my friend who's from Bihar and guess what, situation is worse than it looks. She said the slum behind her house is 100% Muslim and the women there work as maids & domestic helps in Hindu homes nearby. Says the average number of children they have by the age of 25-26 is 7 to 8. Some even have 12-14 kids. All go to madrasas and have no decent education.

So its hardly about BJP or Congress. Hindu India is going to fall demographically before it does politically. Having Congress means it falls 20 years earlier, that's just it.
This should be obvious to anyone with 2 eyes and a half working brain. Go to any Muslim area and see the overwhelming number of Children. In every Muslim family there is a line of children being born, without much difference in age.
Yes but is it clear to the Government? I think it is, more so to Modi than anyone else. He knows the demographic game, 'paanch ke pachees'. I hope he implements a nation wide 2 child policy with ban on the 3rd child. No Hindu will oppose it, no Sikh will oppose it, even Christians will not oppose it, only Mullahs will.




11)Claims RSS is finishing off localized to gorakhpur HYV because it is jealous and doesn't want competition from it. Links a scroll farticle as proof.

Yes I did claim that. Several RW tweeples have mentioned this on Twitter. HYV was operating outside the Sangh umbrella & RSS wanted it to operate within. There was an apparent struggle there. What's your point?


12)Claims NaMo has onlee put lipstick on a pig with respect to ease of business ranking advance in dealing with govt babus and that the single window system doesn't work without needing corruption.

You're picking all my posts where I have mentioned anything that is remotely anti-BJP or anti-Gov and you want to use that to paint me as a poser or whatever you're accusing me of being. But this is my experience. NaMo has done whatever he could but the babus on the ground remain same. I never blamed Modi for it. I only pointed out how babus are still indulging corruption using creative ways.

And while we're at it, I have also been suggesting that Modi clean up the bureaucracy which he has not. I know people - family members of highest level babus in GoI which are Congressis to boot. It is an open secret. Yet they are being promoted in this GoI. I dont get it. I don't want BJP to lose elections due to ineffective implementation by Congressi babus, do you?



13)Claimed bjp amended FCRA for party funds even though it's supposedly "subjudice" but doesn't touch other subjudice issues. Yes go ahead and laugh at the "subjudice law" concept invented here.


And so on (without an end actually,I only covered his last one month posting) to the dissing and whining and 24x7 agenda peddling targeting NaMo/RSS

You maintained pin drop silence when he was making above such claims Yet now you amble in and give cute ultra-right, centrist, leftist characterizations and give a equal equal banal posting without any merit.

Anyway if you Dumal ji and others step up and do some self digging/original analysis (instead of just consuming the agenda set in SM and cross-posted into BGR by likes of CG) to regularly step up to counter and bust such MYTY poser agenda I will voluntarily and most happily go back to lurk mode.
Else step aside and I'll keep doing my best.
Ah, here comes the fuckbag on a flying donkey, doing his holier than thou routine. Tell me, is it you that single handedly put NaMo in the gaddi? Are you some Super BJP Supporter whose opinion counts more than us unwashed Yindoos? Is Modi an Islamic god now that criticising anything he does is akin to blasphemy and rudalis like you will tear your clothes & beat their chests?

Your real problem is that I offended your EJ/Jehadi sensibilities by making anti-Jehadi posts. In your own words you accuse me of wishing violence & riots against Muslims.
Now i do however vaguely remember how you were often warned/banned for advocating mass violence on mainorities in BRF so yeah i know your unmanly style and also know that you see BJP as vehicle for your violent wet dreams with a riot once a day or two, so dont quote unnecessary drivel unconcerned to the matter i.e be a man and prove your original claim that NaMo/BJP leaders "NEVER" spoke up on the Muslim communal violence on Hindus .
Yeah sure as per you NaMo/BJP should forget their Dharma/duty as a PM and the ruling party and do partisan politics encouraging riots and violence each day and the next. As i said your wet dreams demanding NaMo to be in the aggressive mode against mainorities and effectively corner them just so that you may get your daily kick from the ensuing violence is not going to happen.
The real khujli in your rear is due to this. Rest is all drama. You're a fucktard dithering dhimmi. That's who you are. Don't go around preaching to the rest of us on 'How to be a good BJP Supporter 101', keep that shit to yourself.

fanne wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:54 am
CG, Lilo, Syam and others, guys can you please cool down (and I am not pointing if anyone is at error here). It looks like we are in the same team. Aham/ego is a very bad thing. If it makes us so blind....Other thing, lets disagree, but without abusing. In my opinion, I could be wrong, using snake was right, but an argument can be made that it was a abuse. Sorry for that. But fu** etc. is , no doubt a abuse. Take a break, don't post for a week. We are just a name on the forum, not even us. Why attach yourself to a pseudoname that has an opinion. Tomorrow, if BG forum is junked, the ids do not exist. Something that is so temporary why get attached to it so much? You are not this id, definitely not your opinion (yours would have changed many times, every body does), then why be so attached that you abuse based on it?
Snake is an abuse, it is not like it is the Quran - subject to interpretation. But I agree with the larger point. I also apologise to you for being disrespectful. We are all on the same team.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:25 am

Folks,
.
There are things other than abusing. And also important things over and above elections

(1) RSS can cancel many provisions of RTE using money bills, but RSS doesnt want to. And many RTE provisions can be ignored by administration. But instead, RSS Govt at center and RSS State Govts across India are implementing RTE to letter and spirit. School owners are being forced to sell schools to Missionaries or close down. In either case, students will go to Missionary run schools.

(2) Using RERA and GST's complexieties, RSS is forcing many small builders to close their business. So large builders had reduced supply to keep prices high. Land price has decreased by some 20% to 30%, house sale had decrease by over 20% , but selling price of houses has decreased by no more than 20%, in past 1 year. The large builders have only increased their profits,

Electricity consumption date came out today 11 am, and it says that Electricity consumption of feb-2018 was only 2.61% more than feb-2017 !!! And all PHYSICAL indicators like cement sale, petrol sale etc are NOT showing any remarkable increase.

So pls ignore abusers, and pls also consider events other than elections.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by manju » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:40 am

Very sad to see the
- quality of posts and discussion go down the drains
- the drains being clogged by trolls

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:10 pm

manju wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:40 am
Very sad to see the
- quality of posts and discussion go down the drains
- the drains being clogged by trolls
+1.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:14 pm

At least one speculation can be put to rest.


No early Lok Sabha polls, says PM Modi at meet (Asian Age)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:55 pm

Sachin its is creeping UCC by stealth through courts. Which is good becoz they (left-lib) would have gone to courts anyway citing freedom. Better to have the courts clear it and get it done and dusted. I am hoping similar things can be achieved with Kashmir in Art 35A.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:31 pm

Hari Seldon wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:14 pm
At least one speculation can be put to rest.


No early Lok Sabha polls, says PM Modi at meet (Asian Age)
this was a media driven speculation and had no basis on any real facts or understanding of modi.

i just gave up on all these reports and speculations blah blah..they have all been spectacularly wrong consistently.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by KJo » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:49 pm

Thread has reached Swarga.

Please start a new one. Members using bad language or threatening others will be banned. Passionate discussion is encouraged, behave yourselves everyone.

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