The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:06 pm

Mean while "communal forces" (as of now) Nitish Kumar of Bihar have some very potent weapons in their arsenal.
Vacated govt bungalow as Nitish released ghosts in it, says Tej Pratap Yadav.
Supratik wrote:Tomorrow you will blame Modi for your maids smelly fart. I think this is to spread FUD to do a equal-equal with Congress corruption.
There is a narrative already being built that Modi & Co are helping businessmen (mainly Gujrathi variety), and are allowing them to carry on business using unethical means. Ambani & Adani tops the list, and now Nirav Modi also is added in. This narrative would work in any place where the old socialist/communist thoughts (every businessmen is an evil bourgeoisie) still run high. In KL the hatred against Ambani & Adani is so high, that some commie idiot may actually harm any Gujrathi who has this surname :lol:.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:19 pm

Yes, after 70 years of repeated failure and being patrons of BIF the Cong-Left ecosystem has no message and positive vision for the majority. Given that Pappu is not a very popular choice as PM their only weapon is negativity against Modi. The only way to counter this is to send positive messages of the good work done starting NOW. You have to bombard the message without hyping like "Shining India".

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:30 pm

What I see is that Cong-Left eco-chambers is spreading FUD. This is to be expected. What is worrying is that many well meaning people like some on this forum are falling for the FUD.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:48 pm

Syro-Malabar land deal: HC criticises Cardinal Alencherry......
This case seems to be landing the clergy into more trouble. The issue is a botched up land deal, with the Syro-Malabar X'ian sect loosing tonnes of money. Now some one has filed a case accusing the clergy (the Cardinal being the top most) of misappropriating the funds. The cardinal first had said that, the land deal is between the church (and not the devoted who are in that church/sect ;)) and the buyers. No one else had the locus standi. But today, in the court it has been revealed that the church established a "Public Trust" exclusively to get some tax gains; all the while maintaining that this was a "private business transaction". "The court asked Alencherry whether the formation of a Trust to conduct the land deal was done to cheat the nation.."[sic].

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:12 pm

Pravin Patil reporting negative signals emerging against BJP in western India. I think if they want to retain RJ Vasundhara needs to be replaced. Rupani is still OK as he has not been given enough time but PP reporting that political control is loosening in Gujarat and localized corruption is returning. Fadnanavis is in a politically fragmented state but IMO is doing fine except for some hiccups but Maratha and Patidar reservation are also playing a part in anti-incumbency.

http://www.5forty3.in/gaze_articles.php?articalid=204

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Lilo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:23 pm

chetak wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:47 am
SSundar wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:19 am
In short, Jaitley holds the key to Modi's re-election in 2019.

Does he really have an incentive to ensure that Modi gets re-elected? Aren't his incentives more stacked in favor of BJP failing to make a majority by itself thereby alliance partners proposing him as a compromise candidate for PM?
Every initiative of Modi, be it demon, GST whatever has been badly executed by the finmin guys and now the PNB scam.

Even if one tried really really hard to genuinely bugger up the system, one could not have done better job of undermining the PM personally.posting.php?mode=edit&f=22&p=8235

This is not an accident or mere happenstance. The malicious congi and the lootyens cockroaches of deep state are active and becoming even more entrenched by the day as the 2019 deadline approaches.

Why no house cleaning has been done so far and how the baboo(n) power centers of the previous regime has been allowed, not only to survive but also to prosper and spread their evil tentacles even further to undercut the NDA's programs. Just look at how the farmers loan waiver scheme was sabotaged in maharashtra to undermine the BJP.

Either people in charge are indifferent or are actively aiding and abetting the enemy.

A sensitive ministry like this needs to be handled by a scary shark like Swamy and not by guys so very clearly out of their depth.
There is lot of propaganda on social media by Swamytards (some call themselves as so called "virat hindus").Example Shanknaad, Sai deepak etc.
Better not be taken in by their claims hook line and sinker.

Jetli is an indispensable for NaMo to navigate the lutyens institutions(judiciary,babudom,press etc) chocabloc with congi and dhongi agents.Results may not be gloriously spectacular but he is the one who navigates the traps and pushes through the govt policy.
NaMo implicitly trusts the intentions(i.e loyalty)of jetli who has been in his camp since he revolted against the lutyens D4 clique(congi b-team in bjp) back in 2012.
SuSwamy (suswa or susu) however is a mere foreign agent who is being used by NaMo(hence he keeps him far away from cabinet) to keep up the Heat on Hindu issues.Aka he is a use and throw item. His loyalty to the PIF cause is suspect. His ambition is to displace jetli and hold NaMo under the thumb for the sake of his Massa . Accordingly he is rallying his followers aka the cretinous swamytards to target BJP/RSS by making more yindu than yindu(MYTY) claims. These cretinous swamytards instead of targeting BIF are busy digging pits for BJP(aka the hometeam of PIF) to fall into.

Much of the criticism on SM nowadays is unfair towards jetli all his rolled out initiatives may start with holes but he came good and modified his approach accepting the feedback. He is flexible in that manner and is not a egoist.
If finmin however passes into the hands of Suswa then we have effectively palmed off India's economic independence to Massa agents controlling SuSwa.
This is as true as the day when Suswa was air dropped into the Indian political arena by Massa back in 1989 just so that Massa can seal the lid shut on the Union carbide case .He was brought in as the Law minister (note that this was before the collegium system was adopted - hence law min played the key role in "managing and appointing" the judges).Suswa with the support of his handlers went from strength to strength to his current position of Virat Hindu poser for his followers. Contrast this to the fate of Dinesh Goswami - the Law minister preceding SuSwa who put a spanner into the works of the "setting" reached by the Rajiv Gandhi's AG - K Parasaran(this traitor is still in circulation as a congi nominated RS MP and SuSwa still moves close with this guy in the Chennai and lutyens circuit) .Dinesh goswami (the uncle of arnab goswami) questioned this setting publicly as a part of the VP Singh govt and was finally accidented by a lorry in Assam for his efforts. Suswa is the traitor who replaced him now in the Chandrasekhar govt and sealed the lid on the Union Carbide case shut. Rest is history.
Now in 2018 Suswa may put up a bombastic dog and pony show in front of his gullible swamytards but the fact is Suswa still has deep handles on Supreme Court judiciary (he obtained them during his stint as the Massa appointed lawminister and runs them in his official capacity as one of the Massa agents ) .
Notice how he always manages to get a patient hearing from self-appointed SC honorobles but in the end the case is more muddled up than before and is struck in a limbo. Swamytards are too dense to realize that the pull of SuSwa on the judges is from SuSwa's past handles on the court - and this is at the root of the bombast of him in the halls of SC- not some genius legal argumentative capacity which SuSwa possesses - and anyway Indian courts don't work that way. However Swamytards now a days seem to hail him as the bhagvan Kalki who is going to single handedly vanquish the enemies of Bharat.When the fact is SuSu is a traitor who has the blood of 10000 Indians snuffed out by Union Carbide and made good their escape.Still 1 lakh are suffering the after effects of Bhopal limp and disabled. Trusting a traitor like Susu is deplorable level of stupidity.

Anyway few other posts I put up in brf chat group in the past i post below

On the padvyamoh of Swamy and his Swamytard followers
Well said M garu,
I wanted to put detailed post on related lines since couple of months.
So here it goes.
My observations:
I see quite a few hangerons trying to capitalize the Hindutva wave led by Namo to power and fame.
They rarely stepped up to face the music when the going was tough and when organizations like sangh and RSS were holding the fort during a century's worth of British and later congi persecution.
But now when it's suddenly "fashionable" to be open Hindutva type they crawl out and then turn up their noses at RSS and claim Namo/RSS is not invested enough in the end goal of a Hindu civilizational revival.Simultaneously they claim for themselves a more Yindoo than Yindoo(MYTY) status.
I think it's their marketing ploy -there is an effervescense of genuine Indic thought among the youth and intellectuals of our generation with the advent of NaMo.
In such an environment claiming MYTY status while denouncing any measure of pragmatism by BJP/RSS, they position themselves as the more attractive choice to less informed young generation.
I see a few individuals in the recently sprung up think tanks and lobbying groups on Indic side whose sole aim seems to gain a lateral entry in to the corridors of power.
An example l see one Sai deepak.He is a cretin who likes to talk big (it's a common trait of many a swamytard).
Professionally he is a lawyer yet all he does is to intentionally misguide his followers that repealing RTE is an easy thing - when it's any thing but - he doesn't even display basic political knowledge that RTE cannot be repealed, it can only be modified.
Another issue is freeing of rich temples from govt control.Notice how many of these temple freeing types don't raise far more meaty issues as in who controls the freed temples and for which purpose.Will the inevitable uglysquabbles between castes and groups shatter the just uniting hindu consciousness again into a thousand fragments when some groups gains personal control of temple resources to the exclusion of other groups? or will it be an uniting approach where the dalit and backward classes are embraced wholeheartedly and welcomed to lead the temple administration this time?
No wonder the RSS knowing the ground situation of caste consciousness is averse to across the board freeing of temples .
Easier approach is to get a Hindutva govt and gain political control of temple resources for the Hindu causes.
Such pragmatic issues are far from the mind of these sai deepak types driven by naked ambition more than any long term goal.

RSS has under went quite a few purges starting with the British and later congi system targeting them relentlessly for infiltration and subversion.So RSS/Sangh types don't trust their own shadow that easily- and rightly so.Vetting an individual over decades is their approach we have seen this conservative approach bear fruit with NaMo and Yogi.
However sharp or capable individual one may be one doesn't overnight gain entry into top ranks of RSS/Sangh.The only way is decades of loyalty to the cause and organization work in perilous places like north east or kerala or WB .
Bottom line there is little chance of lateral entry and little chance of lobbying a "favorable" outcome by being keyboard warriors with MYTY positions.
A message posted with regard to Jaitley (not penned by me)
What has Arun Jaitely managed to do in less than 4 years?

- From a GDP growth of around 5%, he has averaged a growth of 7%+ in last 4 years

- Fiscal deficit down from 5.5% in 2014 to 3.5% in 2018

- FDI up from USD 35 billion to USD 65 Billion in 4 years

- Ensured opening of 30Cr bank accounts through Bank officials in less than 4 years. 7-8 times more than previous regime.

- Ease of doing business ranking up from 144 to 100.

- Demonetization of a mammoth scale in such a large country.

- Total number of people under Insurance schemes of the govt – 15Cr +. This may cross 20 Cr + by 31st March 2018.
When an individual is insured, it is the family which is insured.

- Got together 29 different states to give up their ‘control’ on tax revenues in our federal structure.

- Scrapping of 17 taxes & implementation of GST.

- Current Account deficit down from 4% to 1%.

- Inflation down from 10% to 4%.

- Ensuring funds to provide free Gas connection to 3.5 Cr households till date. The target now is raised to 8 Cr households. Add electrification & construction of houses for the poor. And funding of OROP.

- Close to 65% increase in tax collections of central govt in last 4 years.

- Merger of nationalized banks.

- India’s forex Reserve up from USD 280 Bn to USD 415 Bn – close to 50% growth.

- Funding the infrastructure spend & capitalization of Banks at a scale unheard of in India.

- And lastly the Medical Insurance of Rs.5 Lacs to cover 50 Cr poor. This too will succeed.

Forget all . I don’t think, Finance Minister of any other country has done even one item of the above in the last 4 years – at a scale India has done. No wonder, the world is taking notice. As recd.
Conclusion on Suswa 's game
Anyway if the agenda is just to dump on Jaitley and Modi to fulfill the sith lord SuSwa's perennial wet dream of becoming FM himself(replacing by next term jaitley) then good luck as you have just drafted yourself into the neo 220 for BJP club and assorted D4 gangs

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Lilo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:11 pm

Rahul M wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:58 pm
chetak wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:01 am
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Yes quite self evident.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Deans » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:11 pm

Supratik wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:01 pm
I am not sure why we should blame Modi and Jaitely for a fraud that happened in a branch of a bank. Tomorrow you will blame Modi for your maids smelly fart. I think this is to spread FUD to do a equal-equal with Congress corruption. The task before Modi and Shah is to prevent the engineered negative perception to spread before 2019 elections. I don't expect the political ecosystem of Cong-Left to not try every trick in the book before 2019 as the performance of the Modi govt has been good and corruption free at the top level.
Its not a question of 1 fraud, even one of 11,000 cr. There are over 9000 wilful defaulters who owe over 111,000 crore (10 times PNB scam).
Another 50 borrowers have NPA's (though not yet wilful) of 246000 crore.
There is another 500,000 crore of NPA's which we know little about.

We do have a right to ask what action has been taken in these cases - with regard to prosecution of the borrowers, corrupt lenders & people
who took no action. Apart from that what amounts have been recovered.
Apart from 9000 wilful defaulters, there are over 8000 bank frauds that have been reported to RBI during this Govt's tenure. I've no clue what action has been taken. Has even 1 wilful defaulter been arrested ?

It is because this govt has been corruption free, that they should act - visibly, fast and impactfully to make examples of people responsible.
Instead we have RBI forming a task force headed by a 80 y.o. to investigate SWIFT transactions and ED attaching empty bank accounts and
crippling the diamond industry by seizing assets that mostly don't belong to NiMo.

I have repeatedly written to the PMO and suggested that something, anything be done to reassure people that the govt is serious.
I am a Modi supporter but am distressed by what I see as inaction on the above.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Lilo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:16 pm

An recent example of malicious targeting of jetli by a temple idiot/swamytard and via him he targets NaMo. Note the cretinous comments of the swamytards and the temple idiots below his tweet.

https://twitter.com/kbsvbharat/status/9 ... 0840053760

My reply busting his tweet.

https://twitter.com/sarpamedha/status/9 ... 6671079430
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sbajwa » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:23 pm

Lilo wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:11 pm
Rahul M wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:58 pm
chetak wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:01 am
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Lilo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:29 pm

Deans wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:11 pm
Supratik wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:01 pm
I am not sure why we should blame Modi and Jaitely for a fraud that happened in a branch of a bank. Tomorrow you will blame Modi for your maids smelly fart. I think this is to spread FUD to do a equal-equal with Congress corruption. The task before Modi and Shah is to prevent the engineered negative perception to spread before 2019 elections. I don't expect the political ecosystem of Cong-Left to not try every trick in the book before 2019 as the performance of the Modi govt has been good and corruption free at the top level.
Its not a question of 1 fraud, even one of 11,000 cr. There are over 9000 wilful defaulters who owe over 111,000 crore (10 times PNB scam).
Another 50 borrowers have NPA's (though not yet wilful) of 246000 crore.
There is another 500,000 crore of NPA's which we know little about.

We do have a right to ask what action has been taken in these cases - with regard to prosecution of the borrowers, corrupt lenders & people
who took no action. Apart from that what amounts have been recovered.
Apart from 9000 wilful defaulters, there are over 8000 bank frauds that have been reported to RBI during this Govt's tenure. I've no clue what action has been taken. Has even 1 wilful defaulter been arrested ?

It is because this govt has been corruption free, that they should act - visibly, fast and impactfully to make examples of people responsible.
Instead we have RBI forming a task force headed by a 80 y.o. to investigate SWIFT transactions and ED attaching empty bank accounts and
crippling the diamond industry by seizing assets that mostly don't belong to NiMo.

I have repeatedly written to the PMO and suggested that something, anything be done to reassure people that the govt is serious.
I am a Modi supporter but am distressed by what I see as inaction on the above.
You have little right in this NPA scam case when it is the question of top leadership firefighting the 10 year NPA rot , to stave off a banking collapse and the subsequent run on the banks - all the while simultaneously exposing the rot and taking long-term measures to fix it. So all info leaked out or given out by govt in banking sector scams will be calculated measured and gradual.

DeMo successfully drove the ghotala sharks in Real estate, Jewellery, Export-import and trading businesses to the wall to shape up or shut down. Examples are also being made of recalcitrant types in each sector like Nirav Modis and Choksis .

DeMo and GST put paid to the transport mafia and import lobbies they are still reeling from the after effects.

NaMo and Jetli are putting bleach to the rotten areas of economy where sun never shone and are exposing them to sunlight.

NaMo or Jetli could have hit town with their suspicions on the congiNPA scam the first day of office... But they are nationalists first and winning brownie points for election by collapsing the Indian banking system is not something they would even think off.

So wait your turn for info.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Prasan » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:46 pm

West Bengal Govt Shuts Down 125 RSS Sponsored Schools

http://www.businessworld.in/article/Wes ... 018-141461

Mamta Banerjee Govt has already closed down 125 schools run by the RSS in the state since 2017 and is planning to shun around 370 more such schools in the coming days.

West Bengal State Education Minister Partha Chatterjee on Tuesday told the Assembly that these schools did not follow the mandatory syllabus and rather totally occupied with giving religious teachings alongside 'lathi' training.

The education minister said, “We have thoroughly investigated each and every school. Many were run without taking no-objection certificates from the government. We have already closed down 125 schools and will possibly close the remaining schools as well. The process is still on.”

Chatterjee said that the West Bengal government would not allow ‘Lathi’ games inside educational institutions of the state.

“There is no way we could allow these schools to become radical,” the minister said.

The West Bengal BJP has reacted fiercely to the administration's steps. Since the administration's drive against RSS-sponsored schools started, the BJP has recorded numerous petitions in courts against the closure notices; the courts have issued stay orders in a few cases.

The BJP said it had effectively gone to the Calcutta High Court against the West Bengal government's sudden attack on schools keep running by the Vidya Vikash Parishad, a wing of the RSS. These schools are either named as Vivekananda Shishu Mandir or Saraswati Shishu Mandir. Such schools are situated in seven outskirt locale of West Bengal.

Biswapriya Roychowdhury, the vice president of the West Bengal BJP, slammed the Trinamool Congress and said the government was being 'thick-skinned' on the issue.

“This government is shameless. They don’t know that we went to the High Court against their decision and the court has already imposed a stay order. This government is wearing the skins of rhinos, so that they don’t respond even if they are touched,” said Roychowdhury.

Calling the action of the government as contempt of court, Roychowdhury said, “We will move court against this and would urge the honourable court to issue contempt notice to the state government.”

When asked about the Lathi training, BJP leaders responded that along with Lathi, training of Karate is also being given. Biplab Ray, a spokesperson, said it wasn’t the RSS’s mandate to run schools. “The state should pay attention at the madrasas instead, and check what they teach,” said Ray. Partha Chatterjee, when asked, replied that Madarsas aren’t under his jurisdiction.

“In fact, in all West Bengal schools, there are physical education teachers who are supposed to give students all such defensive training. Unfortunately, they are kept idle in such schools. But in all these schools run by Vidya Vikash Parishad, such training is given, which is part of the physical education and is nothing unusual,” Roychowdhury said.

West Bengal Education Minister Partha Chatterjee has announced that the state government would be taking action against schools running without no-objection certificates.

Speaking against schools imposing "extreme religious teachings", Chatterjee declared a crackdown against those are "training students to wield sticks.

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Post by Supratik » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:48 pm

Deans,
It is a dangerous step to arrest defaulters wilful or otherwise. It will become a witch-hunt. The courts do not like arrests in such cases without sufficient proof. Otherwise Mallya would have been arrested. Proper investigations have to be carried out and chargesheets have to be filed. Not the entire NPA mess is wilful default. For various reasons businesses have gone turtle. It is a different matter that during UPA2 many got loans or credit that they shouldn't have. That is not a criminal issue but governance issue. Imagine being arrested for not paying on your EMI or business loan. The NPA has risen becoz the banks have been asked to come clean. Under Rockstar that was not the case. I follow the road sector closely and the NPAs there are mainly governance issues not corruption. Many of the road sector projects are now moving and the stuck projects have come down. It will take an entire economic cycle to come out of the NPA mess.
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Army Chief Bipin Rawat said AIUDF has grown faster than BJP

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/a ... 2018-02-22

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Post by Gus » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:56 pm

It's easy to say 'arrest and put them in jail'. Our justice system is a mess. the dmk slapped 18 cases on JJ after her reign of horror, her first term. egregious violations that had plenty of damning evidences. dmk arguably is more vengeful on JJ than bjp on congress.

she cleared all but one - the DA case, which dragged on for 18 years, and she was still able to overturn the conviction in KA high court with a judge like kumarasamy who blatantly had math errors in his judgment and brought down the number to 10% excess and used some precedence to clear her.

the worst part is - the public had some sympathy for her and part of that comes from antipathy towards dmk's misrule as well, but that is still a factor.

if you come at the king, you better not miss.

we see already how a "miss" on the 2G case is going to play favorably for dmk. it does not matter if it was a "fixed" assassination bid that was doomed to fail.

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Post by Supratik » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:03 pm

As I said the courts do not like arrests in such cases without sufficient proof and filing of chargesheets. Otherwise people like Mallya and Karti would have been arrested. People think all Modi has to do is call the police station and ask the SP to arrest the person ASAP.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Suraj » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:16 pm

Deans wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:13 am
1. DeMo - There is no follow up on high value deposits with no IT returns. The limited resources of the IT dept (which should have been strengthened) are still used in following up on small claims, harassing small taxpayers etc instead of the just 1.8 lac people with unexplained high value deposits. There is 0 info on how many summons are issued or value of demands made (I've tried all routes to get info).
We all love a good whine, and some of your other points may have note, but on this one:

Government’s monitoring of non-tax filers yield Rs 26,425 crore in tax till December
The monitoring system introduced by the government targets those individuals who don’t pay enough income taxes or entities who hide coporate tax but remain involved in high value transactions. The government has earned nearly Rs 1.7 crore additional tax returns through this non-filer monitoring system.

The government collected nearly Rs 26,500 crore till December last year in form of tax through a non-filer monitoring system, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley in a written reply told Parliament on Friday. fe “Due to constant and intensive follow-up of NMS data, more than 1.72 crore tax returns have been filed by the persons in different NMS cycles and self assessment tax of about Rs 26,425 has been paid by them till December, 2017,” Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said in a written reply to the Lok Sabha. The Finance Minister said that the Ministry has now broadened the mechanism of accumulation and verification of financial information by including various types of high-value transactions from banks and financial institutions in the form of Statement of Financial Transaction (SFT).

Nearly 35 lakh non-tax filers with tax liability have been identified, informed Finance Minister. He also said that Permanent Account Number (PAN) is helping in producing enough data that the tax department is comprehensively mining to track tax evaders. For the April-January period, direct tax collection grew by 19.3 percent to Rs 6.95 lakh crore against the needed 18.3 percent growth for the full year to meet the revised estimate target of Rs 10.05 lakh crore in the current fiscal. The government revised the direct tax collection target upwards from Rs 8.5 lakh crore, in the Budget presented earlier this month.
Are you a little happier now ?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Lilo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:31 pm

Suraj wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:16 pm
Deans wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:13 am
1. DeMo - There is no follow up on high value deposits with no IT returns. The limited resources of the IT dept (which should have been strengthened) are still used in following up on small claims, harassing small taxpayers etc instead of the just 1.8 lac people with unexplained high value deposits. There is 0 info on how many summons are issued or value of demands made (I've tried all routes to get info).
We all love a good whine, and some of your other points may have note, but on this one:

Government’s monitoring of non-tax filers yield Rs 26,425 crore in tax till December
The monitoring system introduced by the government targets those individuals who don’t pay enough income taxes or entities who hide coporate tax but remain involved in high value transactions. The government has earned nearly Rs 1.7 crore additional tax returns through this non-filer monitoring system.

The government collected nearly Rs 26,500 crore till December last year in form of tax through a non-filer monitoring system, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley in a written reply told Parliament on Friday. fe “Due to constant and intensive follow-up of NMS data, more than 1.72 crore tax returns have been filed by the persons in different NMS cycles and self assessment tax of about Rs 26,425 has been paid by them till December, 2017,” Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said in a written reply to the Lok Sabha. The Finance Minister said that the Ministry has now broadened the mechanism of accumulation and verification of financial information by including various types of high-value transactions from banks and financial institutions in the form of Statement of Financial Transaction (SFT).

Nearly 35 lakh non-tax filers with tax liability have been identified, informed Finance Minister. He also said that Permanent Account Number (PAN) is helping in producing enough data that the tax department is comprehensively mining to track tax evaders. For the April-January period, direct tax collection grew by 19.3 percent to Rs 6.95 lakh crore against the needed 18.3 percent growth for the full year to meet the revised estimate target of Rs 10.05 lakh crore in the current fiscal. The government revised the direct tax collection target upwards from Rs 8.5 lakh crore, in the Budget presented earlier this month.
Are you a little happier now ?
^ A recent related post of mine quoted below.
The whiners must give a pause to their bellyaching and read up below fact from the latest economic survey.All this baseless randi rhona that salaried class is the "whipping boy" for this govt when it comes to tax will look all the more idiotic.

"Large increase in registered indirect and direct taxes

There has been a 50% increase in the number of indirect taxpayers. There has also been a large increase in voluntary registrations, especially by small enterprises that buy from large enterprises wanting to avail themselves of input tax credit.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=175977

A preliminary analysis of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) data reveals that there has been a 50% increase in the number of indirect taxpayers, besides a large increase in voluntary registrations, especially by small enterprises that buy from large enterprises and want to avail themselves of Input Tax Credits (ITC). The Economic Survey 2017-18 presented today in Parliament by the Union Minister of Finance and Corporate Affairs, Shri Arun Jaitley informs that as on December 2017, there were 9.8 million unique GST registrants slightly more than the total Indirect Tax registrants under the old system (where many taxpayers were registered under several taxes). Therefore, adjusting the base for double and triple counting, the GST has increased the number of unique indirect taxpayers by more than 50 percent –a substantial 3.4 million. The profile of new filers is interesting of their total turnover, business-to-consumer (B2C) transactions account for only 17 percent of the total. The bulk of transactions are business-to-business (B2B) and exports, which account for 30-34 percent apiece. There are about 1.7 million registrants who were below the threshold limit (and hence not obliged to register) who nevertheless chose to do so.

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Post by Gus » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:54 pm

^ wrong webpage used to spread misinfo. note difference in spelling maiam maiyam.

what's interesting is admk IT wing (most probably the handle is theirs) - chose to use the missionary funding issue to attack KH.

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Gus wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:54 pm
^ wrong webpage used to spread misinfo. note difference in spelling maiam maiyam.

what's interesting is admk IT wing (most probably the handle is theirs) - chose to use the missionary funding issue to attack KH.
^ Generally similar sounding/spelling domains are registered by same owners to prevent traffic hijack.Especially when the domainname is cheap .

Ultimately the other domains are not operationalised but the digital trail remains as in Mayiam.com
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Post by Supratik » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:08 pm

It seems that Kamal Hasaan's politics is a mixture of Dravidianism and Leftism. I am not sure with all the MKs there is any more space for this in TN.

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Post by dnivas » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:12 pm

Rotomac fraud case: CBI arrests Vikram Kothari and his son
The Central Bureau of Investigation on Thursday arrested Rotomac Global Private Limited promoter-director Vikram Kothari and his son in the alleged ₹3,695-crore “wilful” loan default case. They have been accused of cheating a consortium of seven nationalised banks.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/r ... epage=true

kamment: good there is some visible action going on

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Deans » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:25 pm

Suraj wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:16 pm
We all love a good whine, and some of your other points may have note, but on this one:

Government’s monitoring of non-tax filers yield Rs 26,425 crore in tax till December
The monitoring system introduced by the government targets those individuals who don’t pay enough income taxes or entities who hide coporate tax but remain involved in high value transactions. The government has earned nearly Rs 1.7 crore additional tax returns through this non-filer monitoring system.

The government collected nearly Rs 26,500 crore till December last year in form of tax through a non-filer monitoring system, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley in a written reply told Parliament on Friday. fe “Due to constant and intensive follow-up of NMS data, more than 1.72 crore tax returns have been filed by the persons in different NMS cycles and self assessment tax of about Rs 26,425 has been paid by them till December, 2017,” Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said in a written reply to the Lok Sabha. The Finance Minister said that the Ministry has now broadened the mechanism of accumulation and verification of financial information by including various types of high-value transactions from banks and financial institutions in the form of Statement of Financial Transaction (SFT).

Nearly 35 lakh non-tax filers with tax liability have been identified, informed Finance Minister.. For the April-January period, direct tax collection grew by 19.3 percent to Rs 6.95 lakh crore against the needed 18.3 percent growth for the full year to meet the revised estimate target of Rs 10.05 lakh crore in the current fiscal. The government revised the direct tax collection target upwards from Rs 8.5 lakh crore, in the Budget presented earlier this month.
Are you a little happier now ?
In an earlier post I had said that the govt has got some 25,000 crore from DeMo (the figure in your post is 26,500) but could have budgeted
more.

In DeMo there are approx 1.6 lac people who have deposited > 80 lacs each, with no tax returns (0.2 lac had tax returns). The total deposited by these people are approx 420000 crore.
Another 16 lac people deposited between 10 and 80 lacs of which about 12 lac are tax evaders. Even assuming evaded income of 20 lacs each, this is another 240000 crore. So we have 660000 crore of evaded income (over 40% of all high value notes in the country) deposited by under 2 million
people (or 0.25% of our adult population).
The tax & penalty on this (since almost no one opted for the voluntary declaration scheme) would be upwards of Rs 500,000 crore.
Assuming we can collect this over 4 years, due to litigation etc, we should have budgeted 125000 crore of incremental revenue.
Of this, we collected 26500 crore (+ approx 16000 cr through earlier seizures, demands etc).

Since 2002-3, the average annual growth in personal income tax collection has been 19.8% p.a (in 2017-8 it was 19.3% despite De-mo).

Yes, 3.5 million non filers were identified, which is good and in my view, almost closes the gap between actual and potential filers, but the govt needs to target just 5% of them to get 2/3 of the estimated stock of black money.
I'm not `a little happier'.

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