The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:21 pm

AAPian. Should have known better.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:36 pm

AbhishekC wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:22 pm
All politicians, including your favourite one, are our servants. And like servants, they need to be told from time to time who is boss. Modi is far overdue his last lesson in knowing who his bosses are.
Yes, good servants are hard to come by. But when you find one, you should do everything to keep him, which is what we are doing.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:52 pm

Black money patriot calling others traitors. Irony.

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Post by Indrad » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:13 pm

NEW DELHI: After billionaire diamantaire Nirav Modi, another defaulter Vikram Kothari, the promoter of Rotomac Pen, has also allegedly gone abroad after swindling Rs. 800 crore from various public sector banks including Allahabad Bank, Bank of India and Union Bank of India, sources said.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/after-n ... ry-1814218

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by AbhishekC » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:59 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:52 pm
Black money patriot calling others traitors. Irony.
No better judgement can be expected of a brain donor modi bhakt. :roll:

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For all those people who keep repeating that 'Modi is best we have and the most honest man since Raja Harish Chandra', I have a small reminder:

In 2010 and 2013, Germany obtained 1000s of names of depositors from an employee of a Swiss bank. A large number of names were Indian. Although Germany had paid millions of euros for this data, they offered this data to other countries, including India, for free.

Since they obtained the first data in 2010, I assume that the data was offered to India in 2010. IOW, MMS govt refused to take the data for 4 years. It protected the corrupt for 4 years this way.

Modi's regime is going to complete 4 years in 3 months. Which means that Modi government is going to match MMS sarkar in protecting the corrupt in the next three months.

Tell me if you still think Modi is an honest man.

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Modi has been subverting democracy - the anonymous electoral bonds, synchronised elections, GST, the constant attacks on judiciary - all have an unspoken agenda to make voting, constitutional and property rights redundant.

Modi is like Gandhi, he seeks only power, not money and propoerty. Both fellows even sacrificed the interests of family members in their insane pursuit of personal power. And they both were disasters for this country.

And oh, both were deeply in control of the British.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by crams » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:13 pm

Admins, this is a private forum and there is no harm in having a certain PoV. Can we ban these silly trolls like the one above and RahulMehta whatever. These guys just a nuisance over here and add no value. Let them go Pappu whatsapp groups where Pappu's PR slave sends out anti-ModiJi, anti-BJP rants.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:23 pm

srikumar wrote:
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Including lokpaal I presume; but yes, I'll say you are subtle.
No subtlety there saar! Recall that BJP's promise of a effective Lokpal institution was part of their manifesto and their PM candidate then had promised speedy appointment of Lokpal. Now 4 years on there is still no Lokpal in sight so it is only justified for the voting populace to ask questions.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by srikumar » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Not BJP. I meant you.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:58 am

उधर पंजाब में कुछ सरदार बैंक ऑफ बरोदा लूटनेका प्लान बना रहे है
(translation - meanwhile in punjab, some sardaars are now planning to rob Bank of Baroda)

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PM - Gujarati
FinMin - Marwadi by birth, had converted to Gujarati, MP from Gujarat, fools Punjabi by claiming that he is punjabi
RBI Chairman - Gujarati
Finance Secretary - Gujarati
PNB Chairman - a Mehta -, at least half Gujarati
Bank looters - Nirav Modi etc - all Gujaraties

Loot liya sardaaro aur punjabiyo ko !!!
(means - robbed all sardaars and punjabies)

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Sardar says "Ladana he? ek sikh sava lakh barabaar"

Gujarati says "Ladana nahi, sirf bank lootana he !! ek Gujarati do lakh baraabar":

(Translation : sardaar says "want to fight? one sikh is equal to 1.25 lakh persons"
Gujarati replies "No brother. I dont want to fight. I only want to rob bank. here, one Gujarati is equl to 2 lakh persons)

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Punjab National Bank was founded by Lala Lajpat Rai to help nationalist India traders and manufacturers, British and Jawaharlal Ghazi tried their best to destroy it, But they had failed.

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No PM was able to convince Indians to such an extent -- then even after so many robberies, most Indians still think that PM is honest.

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Due to PNB scam of Rs 11000 crore that Rafael deal of Rs 58000 crore is now out of public focus. God has once again helped Sri Modiji
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:12 am

Trilobite wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:23 pm
srikumar wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:17 pm
Including lokpaal I presume; but yes, I'll say you are subtle.
No subtlety there saar! Recall that BJP's promise of a effective Lokpal institution was part of their manifesto and their PM candidate then had promised speedy appointment of Lokpal. Now 4 years on there is still no Lokpal in sight so it is only justified for the voting populace to ask questions.
no such promise in their manifesto

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Dumal » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:41 am

AbhishekC wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:59 pm
Supratik wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:52 pm
Black money patriot calling others traitors. Irony.
Modi's regime is going to complete 4 years in 3 months. Which means that Modi government is going to match MMS sarkar in protecting the corrupt in the next three months.

Tell me if you still think Modi is an honest man.

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Modi has been subverting democracy - the anonymous electoral bonds, synchronised elections, GST, the constant attacks on judiciary - all have an unspoken agenda to make voting, constitutional and property rights redundant.

Modi is like Gandhi, he seeks only power, not money and propoerty. Both fellows even sacrificed the interests of family members in their insane pursuit of personal power. And they both were disasters for this country.

And oh, both were deeply in control of the British.
Yep! That can cause the angst that you display... It takes the Swiss bank hoarders years to be prosecuted... But Mudi swatted you local black money hoarders like flies in a moment. 8-)

All the rest is crocodile tears!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:56 am

https://youtu.be/xNdDOgc1oxs

TV Commentator, Auditor and Author M R Venkatesh discusses with PGurus the Rs. 11,000 cr ($2 billion) scam that happened at India's second largest Public Sector Bank, the Punjab National Bank. Who were the players, schemers and so on...



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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:16 am

@JustinTrudeau was met by India’s MoS Agriculture Gajendra Shekhwat.

Gajendra Shekhwat was resplendent in jeans and a sports coat, no less!!.

Image

For protocol conscious goras, that is a very tight, diplomatic and a public slap on the face


Rupa Subramanya‏@rupasubramanya

.@CdnPress thinks India’s MoS for Agriculture,who has zero control over trade policy, was sent to meet @JustinTrudeau because of Canada’s concerns over India’s recent tariffs on chick peas and other pulses. Can’t make this up. #Clueless


Rupa Subramanya@rupasubramanya 14h14 hours ago

Not only was @JustinTrudeau met by junior minister fulfilling bare essentials of protocol, PM @narendramodi hasn't even tweeted a welcome. Massive failure by Trudeau to get his hosts even mildly interested. India Canada ties at low ebb since @stephenharper 's departure. #cdnpoli

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:15 am

Nirav Modi fraud: PNB's in-house probe gives clean chit to auditors, blames foreign branches of Indian banks

Nirav Modi fraud: PNB's in-house probe gives clean chit to auditors, blames foreign branches of Indian banks

Yatish Yadav Feb 19, 2018

New Delhi: Even before the investigating agencies begin their probe, an in-house inquiry by state-owned Punjab National Bank (PNB), which was allegedly defrauded of Rs 11,360 crore by diamond merchant Nirav Modi and his maternal uncle Mehul Choksi, has given a clean chit to its auditors and blamed foreign branches of Indian banks.

The PNB has also contradicted itself by admitting that there are several loopholes in Letters of Undertaking (LoUs), which could have been easily detected.

In its latest complaint to the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), an exclusive copy of which is with Firstpost, the PNB gave vague responses to the investigators' questions and directed them to the in-house probe.

The bank, responding to questions about the roles of its chartered accountants, statutory auditors and empaneled valuers said, “As per in-house investigation report, no role of professionals is mentioned.” The bank however, added: “ There are several discrepancies in LoUs which could have been easily detected by ordinary due diligence.”

Despite repeated attempts by Firstpost, PNB managing director Sunil Mehta could not be reached for comment. However, agency sources said, prima facie, there appears to be a complete operational failure on the part of supervisory officers, including PNB’s internal audit teams, and they would be summoned for questioning by investigators at an appropriate time.

“Foreign Letters of Credit (FLC) issued to Gitanjali Group were entered in banking system though the transactions were in small amounts. But when it was credited by foreign branches of Indian banks, huge sums were shown on the record. It must have reflected in the monthly reconciliation report of the bank examined by the auditors with complete due diligence. In several previous NPA cases, we've noticed that attempts are made to protect big fish, but those guilty will be brought to justice,” CBI sources said.

PNB told the CBI that Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) system was misused to benefit Gitanjali Group of companies owned by Choksi for transactions related to FLCs, while admitting that they were registered in the core banking system.

“The conniving officer (Gokulnath Shetty and Manoj Karat) also issued FLCs by entering a small amount in trade finance module of CBS system and generating the reference number and SWIFT message was sent for the amount. Subsequently, without making any change in trade finance module of CBS system, the conniving officer sent modified SWIFT message for enhanced amount under the same reference to the beneficiary bank. The beneficiary/ overseas suppliers had discounted the documents drawn under such FLCs (based on SWIFT message) with overseas banks,” the PNB told the CBI.

Unauthorised LoUs worth Rs 3,032 crore and unauthorised FLCs amounting to Rs 1,854 crore were issued to Gitanjali group.

Passing the buck

The PNB sought to shift the blame on overseas branches of Indian banks: State Bank of India's Mauritius and Frankfurt branches, Bank of India’s Antwerp branch, Canara Bank's Bahrain branch, UCO Bank's Hong Kong branch and the to foreign branches of Union Bank of India, Axis Bank and Allahabad Bank for not raising alarm over fake LoUs.

The PNB told the CBI that the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) prescribes that outstanding buyer's credit for import of semi-precious and precious stones, including pearls, should not be extended for more than 90 days. However, in most cases, the credit allowed under referred LoUs extended for a period much beyond 90 days: LoUs were established for around 360 days, the PNB stated.

“This should have evoked suspicion in the minds of overseas branches of Indian banks extending buyer's credit. These banks never raised any alarm about RBI guidelines being violated and continued to provide funding against fraudulent LoUs," the PNB report stated.

There is no documentary evidence to prove that these import transactions are bona fide trade transactions. Interestingly, the PNB in a statement on 16 February, claimed it decided to come down heavily on everyone involved in fraudulent activities to "pursue clean banking and reform agenda of the government".

Among the three companies that CBI is probing, Gitanjali Gems Limited was issued LoUs worth Rs 2,144 crore, Gili India Limited Rs 566 crore and Nakshtra Brands Limited Rs 321 crore. The three companies were issued FLCs amounting to Rs 1,854 crore. Intesa Sanpaolo, a bank based in Hong Kong, also fell prey to the alleged scam.

An FLC worth Rs 14.16 crore was issued to Gitanjali Gems. Between 2 March, 2017, and 14 March, 2017, thirty-three LoUs were issued for State Bank of India's Mauritius branch, the financing bank. On at least four occasions: 8, 9, 10 and 14 March, at least 5 and 7 LoUs were issued within a day in favour of Gitanjali Gems and Gili India Limited. The total exposure of SBI’s Mauritius branch is $42 million.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:16 am

The same Canada who gives sanctuary to khalistanis.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Singha » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:22 am

we should invite therasa may and greet her similarly

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Post by chetak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:38 am

Singha wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:22 am
we should invite therasa may and greet her similarly
after her last visit to charm the natives into trading with her new, improved and, about to be re-established east India company, post brexit, she was sent back empty handed.

That should give the britshits a clear indication of their place in the value chain.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:49 am

Shefali Vaidya
15 hrs ·
Proud of the way Narendra Modi government has handled the state visit of #PappuMan Of Canada. Trudeau has been deliberately snubbed at every step of his state visit, a result of his actively courting Khalistani elements back home in Canada.

Trudeau was received at the airport not by the PM or even the Minister for External Affairs, Sushma Swaraj or even Gen. V. K Singh. Instead, he was welcomed by state minister for Agriculture! UP CM Yogi Adityanath refused to welcome Trudeau on his people-atory visit to the Taj Mahal!

Trudeau had refused to meet Amarinder Singh, the elected CM of Punjab under pressure from his Khalistani colleague. Narendra Modi has stood up for Amarinder Singh, even though he is from the Congress.

It takes a spine to take a stand, and I am very happy that this government has taken a clear stand. Let all the libtard journos go orgasmic over Canadian Pappu, the message from the GoI is clear.

'You don't mess with our national interests with impunity. Not ANYMORE!'

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:52 am

Singha wrote:
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we should invite therasa may and greet her similarly
Nah... she can stay in Londonistan. We will ship her nice burkhas in Banaras silk. She'll be wearing them soon enough.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:10 am

statewise female/male ratio at birth - from website of Niti Aayog

http://niti.gov.in/content/sex-ratio-females-1000-males

Gujarat 2005-2007 891
Gujarat 2012-2014 907
Gujarat 2013-2014 854 !!!

There was a rise of 16/1000 in 9 years, and then we see a sudden fall of 53/1000 in just one year !!!

Likewise, take Karnataka

karnataka 2005-2007 926
karnataka 2012-2014 950
karnataka 2013-2014 939 !!!

There was a rise of 24/1000 in 9 years, and then we see a fall of 11/1000 in just one year !!!

Pls look at other states.
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India 2005-2007 901
India 2012-2014 906
India 2013-2014 900 !!!

imo, the data looks wrong. Sudden trend reserval within one year is impossible.

Anyone has any clue?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:11 am

Anand RanganathanVerified account@ARanganathan72
Feb 16

Replying to @ARanganathan72

Incredible. Turns out, in addition to @vineetjaintimes' TOI group, the #PNBScam whistleblower had also approached @reliancegroup's TV18 group with his story. NOT A SINGLE media house carried it.

And then these same folks cry Emergency at the drop of a hat

Whistleblower narrates how he tried alerting govt of Gitanjali Group fraud in vain
PNB Fraud

Whistleblower narrates how he tried alerting govt of Gitanjali Group fraud in vain

Hari Prasad says that he detected a huge fraud in Gitanjali Gems in 2015 and alerted several authorities including ED, CBI and PMO but received no response.

Shilpa S Ranipeta,

Friday, February 16, 2018


As the $1.8 billion Punjab National Bank (PNB) saga unfolds, Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi are two names that are at the forefront of the entire scam. While Nirav Modi is said to have fled the country, Mehul Choksi denied involvement, saying he was falsely implicated.

Choksi claimed that he retired from Diamond R US in 1999 and has had no association or dealing with it since then. Choksi is the maternal uncle of the prime accused Nirav Modi.

However, it has now come to light that a Bengaluru-based businessman Hari Prasad had filed a complaint against Choksi and his group companies in 2015, after he was allegedly cheated by them. Prasad claims that he filed a criminal complaint with Bengaluru Police in 2015, following which he wrote to several authorities such as Enforcement Directorate (ED), Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI), Ministry of Corporate Affairs and eventually the PMO next year.

In the letter, Hari Prasad alleged that Choksi siphoned off thousands of crores out of India. He further alleged that there were deficiencies in its balance sheets. With 31 banks extending loans to Gitanjali Group, Prasad wrote that the company had taken loans to the tune of Rs 9,872 crores with meagre assets of just Rs 25-30 crores, alerting the PMO that this was definitely going to become a non-performing asset (NPA) soon.

Speaking to The News Minute, Hari Prasad says that he detected a huge fraud in the company after he was cheated of nearly Rs 10 crore by Gitanjali Gems. And it’s not just him. At least 20 people and about 50 across the country fell prey to this fraud, he claims.

Edited excerpts of the interview:

How did Mehul Choksi and Gitanjali Gems cheat you?

During 2011-12, Gitanjali Gems ran huge advertisements inviting franchisee investors with the promise of attractive returns on investments. The biggest attraction was that Gitanjali would manage all operations and the franchise owner would get minimum guaranteed returns or profit margins, whichever was higher. And as security, they would give us their jewellery to sell in the shop.

I invested an initial amount of Rs 10 crore and they asked me to set up shop for them. I invested in the shop as well. After this, they promised to give Rs 5.5 lakh to cover the rent of the shop and Rs 10 lakh per month above that. So, I was supposed to get Rs 15-16 lakh every month after my investment.

But they defaulted on all agreements they made, from day one. They never supplied the goods as per the agreement nor paid rent. They dumped old stock with inflated prices and never responded afterwards. I ran behind them for nearly one and half years before shutting shop by end of 2013-14.

When did you first file a complaint?

I filed a criminal complaint with the Bengaluru police in 2015 against Choksi and his group companies. They initially tried to investigate and then reported that there was no criminality involved. I tried to challenge this in court but the case has been dragging on since then, over loopholes and some technicalities.

The case was transferred to CID Bengaluru, which initially took some interest. But that also went into cold storage for reasons I don’t know.

And then you wrote to higher authorities?

I wrote to all agencies concerned (ED, CBI, SEBI) in early 2016 to look into the matter seriously because there is a fraud, but nobody took any action. So, then I finally wrote to the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO).

Did the PMO take any action?

I received an acknowledgement letter from the PMO. It won’t take action on everything we write, I understand that. They forwarded it to Registrar of Companies (RoC) to look into the matter. It’s the duty of ROC to look into details or contact me and ask me more questions to understand why I’m making these allegations. But nobody did anything. I can’t blame PMO, it did its job of forwarding the complaint. PM can’t get involved in everything. A system has been created and it has to get involved. But the system is not good enough.

Did you hear from RoC? Was any action taken?

No. I received an email from ROC on July 18, 2016 stating that my grievance has been ‘disposed of’. I don’t know what ‘disposed of’ meant, but no action was taken.

I tried to connect with them after that but no one responded. I thought this is probably how Indian systems work or maybe they are compromised somewhere, because I remember Choksi himself telling me that they know how to manage these things.

Did you also write to the media? If so, did you get a response?

I wrote to TV18 and many other agencies. But nobody took note. In fact, TV9 Kannada and TV9 Gujarat came and took my interview. They even took interviews from other victims of the fraud. These interviews were never published.

What is your sense of the large-scale PNB scam involving Rs 11,000 crores? BJP claims that this scam happened when Congress was in power

I can’t give an opinion on this because I don’t understand politics. It’s a fact that they have cheated, but under whose nose?

I don’t think political parties are involved in the cheating. It’s a businessman who, with the help of some bank officials, has cheated the country.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Deans » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:14 am

I never thought I'd agree with anything Pappu says, but the PM & FM's silence on the scam is not right. There is an opportunity for Modi ji to address the nation and turn the crisis into an opportunity to clean up the system. Perhaps he could cover the following:
- Explain why NPA's have grown to such a crisis and what is being done to recover (insolvency law, sale of companies etc - which are happening despite legal challenges at every step).
- Talk about the rot in our PSU banks and some steps to reduce govt holding and freeing them from govt pressure (while making them more accountable for frauds like this).
- Explain what action is being taken against the bank's top managers, bank auditors, RBI auditors and directors and the external auditor for this cam as well as bad loans (where RBI director and bank top management approved dubious loans)
- Talk about the practical difficulties of investigating cases, issuing lookout notices and extraditing criminals.
- What is being done about the several thousand bank frauds that happened in this govt's tenure - why not have a tracker that the FM updates, which details FIR's filed, people charged, amount recovered etc.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:34 pm

I agree with Dean. I don't think people are blaming a particular party. In fact this childish game of blaming each other is more frustrating. I also don't see people are holding modi responsible but what people want is an action plan, course correction, a reassurance that somebody responsible is laying out a plan to clean this mess.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:46 pm

The fact that the PM would allow Nirav Modi to stand with him in Davos on 25 Jan 18 shows how clueless he was. If a Politico had some kind of dealings in this

a) not meet him in public or
b) Try to Hush things and try to hide it below the carpet.

Right now, I think they want to see how many more such bombs are hidden int he system before commenting.

Off course the resident INC lovers have branded anyone who disagrees with them as Traitors after calling them Hindu Fascists for 71 years.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:26 pm

Talking now is going to backfire for Modi. People want to see action on the ground.

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