The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:10 am

gauravsh wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:57 am
Given the state of babucracy, if this is not handled wisely can lead to babus minting money. Waiting for details !!
Yep. But linking this scheme with Aadhaar would be the first round of firing, as I see it ;) :).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by gauravsh » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:14 am

Standard deduction of 40k with no change in personal income tax. Health and education cess increased to 4%. WTF :oops: :oops: :x :x

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:36 am

#JaitleyDisappoints :(

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vikas » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:37 am

Get ready for Middle class Waaa waaa on Budget since they did not get any sops. Of course being flag bearer of mefirst generation, I feel there is nothing much for me in this budget except for some more inflation and higher LPG prices.

MehtaJi: Banning a movie or a novel is never a solution. If Govt did not ban the movie, that should be welcomed. Freedom of speech and expression should not be strangulated just because its hard to swallow it. What fear do we hide in our dark dingy corners?
I don't think invaders won because of Jury system. If you keep knocking at the door, one day it will break open and you will remember only the last knock. All other knocks which the door defended will be forgotten in a jiffy and that's what we are doing.
If Muslim invaders were so smart in making cannons, How come later they lost to Babur and Nadirshah and Taimur and eventually the Brits. Your explainination is pretty simple and does not take in account other factors like weather, relative affluence, Dharmic values, lack of exposure to battles west of Afghanistan or east of Brahamputra.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by gauravsh » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:52 am

Vikas wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:37 am
Get ready for Middle class Waaa waaa on Budget since they did not get any sops.
Vikas birather, isn't that natural human outcome ? Honest tax payer will ask what do i get for paying my tax dutifully. Also the state of govt services like health, education etc doen't help !!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandrasekaran » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:03 am

It remains to be seen as to what will bring the urban middle class to the voting booths in 2019 like it was in 2014. I am not able to think of any. They seem to be betting big on the rural folk voting enmasse for BJP, but am not sure. Anyways from a personal standpoint am very disappointed at the salaried class once again being taken for granted.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:16 am

Yes, Income tax rates or Limits, Petrol Prices, LPG prices. Somewhere BJP needs to give relief to Urban Middle classes. Seems to be a clear disconnect here.

After the By polls in Rajastan looks like INC is on a very strong wicket.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:35 am

gauravsh wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:52 am
Vikas wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:37 am
Get ready for Middle class Waaa waaa on Budget since they did not get any sops.
Vikas birather, isn't that natural human outcome ? Honest tax payer will ask what do i get for paying my tax dutifully. Also the state of govt services like health, education etc doen't help !!
Isn't there one more budget left??

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:48 am

chetak wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:35 am
Isn't there one more budget left??
Election Commission may announce the 2019 LS elections by then. And then the "moral code of conduct" would fall in place.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vikas » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:49 am

Chandrasekaran wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:03 am
It remains to be seen as to what will bring the urban middle class to the voting booths in 2019 like it was in 2014. I am not able to think of any. They seem to be betting big on the rural folk voting enmasse for BJP, but am not sure. Anyways from a personal standpoint am very disappointed at the salaried class once again being taken for granted.
IMO, FM''s don't really care about the salaried class. Either they assume that we make enough money via corruption (if sarkaari babu) or pvt sector pays us mind boggling salary. Will I still vote for BJP, absolutely. Will I still go out and vote, Umm!! Let me see.

When was the last time any PM or FM even uttered the word middle class except for chattered blaming them for all the evils befalling our society. Overall AJ has been a disappointment with nothing as his stamp on any budget despite presenting 5 of them.
We still rightly or wrongly have only one FM who changed the course of Indian economy and that is 'Theek hai'.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:52 am

Chandrasekaran wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:03 am
It remains to be seen as to what will bring the urban middle class to the voting booths in 2019 like it was in 2014. I am not able to think of any. They seem to be betting big on the rural folk voting enmasse for BJP, but am not sure. Anyways from a personal standpoint am very disappointed at the salaried class once again being taken for granted.
Tend to agree with you. The rural folk, honestly are much more easier to be influenced. So if BJP feels that they can be influenced more easily, that may have reflected in this budget as well. Pump in some good money that side, get the support of various Sangh Parivar organisations to work on the ground and spread the benefit across. Ultimately a vote is a vote, no rural v/s urban divide there. The middle-class can be swayed through very many other ways (tax exemption, or giving every thing at subsidized rates may not be the only solution). This group is also the maximum "insecure" set of people. Their votes can also be swayed at the last moment playing upon this factor.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:55 am

Sachin wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:48 am
chetak wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:35 am
Isn't there one more budget left??
Election Commission may announce the 2019 LS elections by then. And then the "moral code of conduct" would fall in place.
don't kill me if untrue but little fly on wall says GE may happen in 2018 itself...

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vikas » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:57 am

gauravsh wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:52 am
Vikas wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:37 am
Get ready for Middle class Waaa waaa on Budget since they did not get any sops.
Vikas birather, isn't that natural human outcome ? Honest tax payer will ask what do i get for paying my tax dutifully. Also the state of govt services like health, education etc doen't help !!
Habibi, and I am standing with the middle class on this. GoI is busy slapping cess on us and in return I get broken infra, corruption, subsidy for Islamists and Delhi usurping all benefits, less said about any kep govt service, better it is.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:08 am

Indrad wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:55 am
don't kill me if untrue but little fly on wall says GE may happen in 2018 itself...
Why?? Modi is thinking about VRS and Sanyaas? ;) :).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Kabir » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:09 am

Trilobite wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:17 am
Kabir wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:17 pm

Standing your ground on Indic issues is not vigilantism. The tolerance, thick skin, thin consience, ahimsa, athithi devo bhava, sama bhav etc is what we have been practising for the last 800 years for our rapists and enemies

Standing up for ground on indic or any xyz_ic issue can be done within the parameters of law, and democracy provides space for that. Vigilantism is breaking the law and therefore criminal. There is no "good" vigilantism. I can not agree that there is a "kosher" variety of vigilantism.
That is your idea of vigilantism - breaking the law. I mentioned standing your ground. Btw what do you think should have happened in Gujrat after the Godhra incident?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:47 am

chetak wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:35 am
gauravsh wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:52 am
Vikas wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:37 am
Get ready for Middle class Waaa waaa on Budget since they did not get any sops.
Vikas birather, isn't that natural human outcome ? Honest tax payer will ask what do i get for paying my tax dutifully. Also the state of govt services like health, education etc doen't help !!
Isn't there one more budget left??
no, this was the last opportunity

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:00 am

scary result in Rajasthan. civic polls and now bypolls.

My biggest worry is those extra % voted in 2014, if they stay away this time then we are staring at the hung parliament.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by BhairavP » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:29 am

Yashwant Deshmukh analysed the trends in these by-elections, and extrapolated to the whole of the state. Congress 139 and BJP 53 in a house of 200 would be the result.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vikas » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:35 am

What is the latest on elections in Meghalaya, Nagaland and Tripura ?
Sitting over here, we hardly pay attention to what is happening in NE unless it is Cheeni log threatening us.
Will Tripura kick on left govt this time ?

PS: To expect BJP to win every state, election after election is not practical. They will win some, lose few and life will go on as long as the party replacing them is not another congoon wannabe. Actually it is good for democracy too.
That some of the local BJP leadership is mirror reflection of Congress is not lost on anyone.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Deans » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:50 am

The percentage of salaried people (i.e. people who have a PF account) who pay taxes, is the lowest in the G20. Not because they evade (they cant) but because you start paying tax only after a threshold of income. The overwhelming majority of salaried people do not even reach the lowest slab of income tax. I'm actually glad that there are relatively fewer concessions for the approx 1 crore salaried people that do pay tax (at an average rate lower than most countries).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:12 am

Good in Rajasthan. To make something you have to break something. Fatsos of BJP will hopefully wakeup now. Especially after disappointing 300 million middle class voters.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by gauravsh » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:19 am

Just checked, it seems standard deduction comes with removal of transport allowance and medical re-reimbursement. So with extra 1% cess, anyone above 5 LPA will end up paying more tax.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:25 am

Karthik wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:12 am
Good in Rajasthan. To make something you have to break something. Fatsos of BJP will hopefully wakeup now. Especially after disappointing 300 million middle class voters.
I think salaried middle class is 30 million. Nobody cares for such a small count spread across india.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:33 am

Besides Rajastan is more a rural population, so the Gujarat story of lower than expected MSP playing out, can probably fixed by giving a good MSP this year.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:37 am

Aditya_V wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:33 am
Besides Rajastan is more a rural population, so the Gujarat story of lower than expected MSP playing out, can probably fixed by giving a good MSP this year.
I dont fully understand why Gov had to wait for budget to announce this.

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