The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandrasekaran » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:19 am

This is worrying a bit. Congress + Rest adds up to 83 vs 99 for BJP as per ECI. Its just 16 leads and hopefully these 16 leads are not by slender margins...

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:21 am

on many seats ...diff amongst key rivals is less than 500 votes and counting still in progress..

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandrasekaran » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:22 am

Is this diff between key rivals uniform across the seats where congoons are leading as well ? Or is there a trend here ? Any website that drills down ?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by vinu » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:26 am

It is unbelievable that such a progressive segment of people will fall for a false promise of reservation.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by gauravsh » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:30 am

There are still 68 seats to be declared. Hope BJP touches 3 digits mark !!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandragupta » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:31 am

The dip in BJP is also because of them pandering to Mullahs & Xtians across the country. No real work done for any Hindutva issue. About time Modi does a course correction. He can wear a Skull cap and chant AoA 5 times daily, even that will not win him Mullah votes.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by JohnTitor » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:35 am

This should be a lesson to bjp and their chamchas in the form of vasundara and fednavis

Too much sickularism makes them a Congress copy

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:40 am

http://eciresults.nic.in/

kindly see results here...^^

In spite of 9% vote share difference between BJP & con seat conversion is poor for BJP. Also first past the post system has hurt BJP badly.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:45 am

youth wants jobs....that is a big issue...!! many youngsters (that is rationale behind saying young gen has not seen misrule of con in Guj), patel, SC & Muslims voted for congress.

Status Known For 182 out of 182 Constituencies
Party Won Leading Total
Bharatiya Janata Party 62 37 99
Indian National Congress 56 21 77
Nationalist Congress Party 1 0 1
Bhartiya Tribal Party 2 0 2
Independent 1 2 3
Total 122 60 182

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am

Chandrasekaran wrote:This is worrying a bit. Congress + Rest adds up to 83 vs 99 for BJP as per ECI. Its just 16 leads and hopefully these 16 leads are not by slender margins...
Chandragupta wrote: The dip in BJP is also because of them pandering to Mullahs & Xtians across the country. No real work done for any Hindutva issue. About time Modi does a course correction.
For the average Sanghie out there, it is more of a "phew..just cleared" kind of a situation. Looks like after all this work the BJP may just get around 99 seats (i.e not even the 100 mark). Last time its's seat share was 115. So nothing to really gloat about, other than having the peace of mind for next five years. NaMo and A.Shah would have to do a good introspection to figure out what were the fault lines, and how they can be corrected the next time. As I said, looks like BJP has a real shortage of mini-NaMos in all states. There is a limit to just relying on one person to gather votes all and every time.

Same is the case with the Hindutva issues. Were people really expecting an extreme right wing government to rule them?

PS: Saw a troll. A Sanghie has to start worrying for every state or national level election because BJP contesting. A commie out there can just relax, because for he need to worry only about Tripura and Kerala elections.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:53 am

If its Youth and Jobs BJP would have 85% victory in Urban areas, it is most likely remoteness of Polling booths in Rural centers, Historic flooding in Saurasthra and allied difficulties, plus Hardik Patel 1 time magic like AAP, Dynasty spending a huge portion of cash reserves to time good news with RG elevation which has made this election close.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:57 am

For practical purposes Commie and INC are the same, if they merge in Kerala due to anti incumbency they will loose the state in 10 years, they have been playing this game for 70 years. So every BJP victory is a loss for the Commies.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:03 am

Sachin wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am
BJP has a real shortage of mini-NaMos in all states. There is a limit to just relying on one person to gather votes all and every time.
Same is the case with the Hindutva issues. Were people really expecting an extreme right wing government to rule them?

PS: Saw a troll. A Sanghie has to start worrying for every state or national level election because BJP contesting. A commie out there can just relax, because for he need to worry only about Tripura and Kerala elections.
+1
my take is that most of Hindus do not want a rabid right winger hardliner govt but they do want minority appeasement to stop, temple protection, Ram Mandir and action against radical Islam: second part is where Modi govt is failing.
Guj is reeling under power vacuum reminded of Bala Thackeray saying 'narendra gaya to gujarat gaya'..
over dependence on one person will hit back at BJP, we need many namos. But BJP is still dealing with Vasundhara et al


last heard in Rajasthan phrase catching up is
Modi se koi bair nahi
par Vasundhara tumhari khair nahi.... :geek:

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Mahakala » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:03 am

Caste play is left-hands play for congress. They found a couple of fellows in gujarat and threw an IOI biscuit of caste reservations and bjp had to fly down every minister to campaign till modis throat became hoarse. They'll light fires all over india that modi will have to combat. Unless they take the initiative, they'll have to react to several such Hardiks and mewanis. Remember, we have ka, raj, mp elections next year. All big states. Con will be emboldened in these states where they have a significant presence unlike gujarat.
Take the initiative, put them on the backfoot and make THEM react. Call openly for hindu causes - rte, 93rd amendment, review of art 30, fix gst problems, move on the ganga project (thank god for course correction& putting gadkari there). Vikas vikas alone wont get you vote when hindu votebank is prone to caste fractures. All IOI fellows have to do is promise more reservations, play up modi nazi shouts and you will lose vote share. A nation-wide guj type low vote difference win will cause a hung parliament at best and you'll be out of power. Then Con will bring in CVB and more sectarian $hit and you'll have to wait another ten years at a minimum.
Can't afford anymore panipats.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Dumal » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:11 am

Meanwhile, NDTV reports PK Dhumal conceded his defeat in HP. Could this have been anticipated and avoided?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SRoy » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:18 am

Visible and actionable Hindutva is the only anti-dote against caste based politics.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Chandragupta » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:21 am

Congress can/did -

a. repealed POTA within a few days of coming to power
b. blatant & in your face Christian proselytization, open invitation for soul harvesters to come and convert Hindus
c. invention of Hindu terrorism & calling it number 1 problem in India
d. shaming of Hindu religion, culture & our gods
e. outright denial of Hindu history
f. out & out appeasement of radical Islamists, sharing stage with them to abuse Hindus openly in front of everyone
g. open colluding with Pakistan
h. anti-army, humiliates our armed forces, calls them gundas, rascals & rapists
i. shielding Muslim dons, terrorists & criminals
j. weakening of Indian armed forces & defenses
k. massive unlimited corruption & loot
l. no less than Pappu said those who go to temples rape

Despite this, Hindus in this country still vote for Congress.

And no one can imagine BJP saying the same things vis a vis Islam -

a. can they bring in another POTA? not even trying
b. they have only been able to put a mall dent in soul harvesting but it still goes on with tacit approval of clowns like Fadanvis/Raje etc
c. Has anyone in BJP has the balls to say Islamic terrorism is number one problem of the world? Instead we have VP & Pres saying all religions are same and exhorting Church to convert some more
d. No balls to even talk about Hindu temples or declaring Ram Sethu as national heritage & do a comprehensive research of Hindu history (which is unjustly called mythology by lutyens historians)

When you put all this and think, the problem is clearly with Hindus, BJP is just a representation and so is Modi.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:23 am

Aditya_V wrote:For practical purposes Commie and INC are the same, if they merge in Kerala due to anti incumbency they will loose the state in 10 years, they have been playing this game for 70 years. So every BJP victory is a loss for the Commies.
The commies have been "punching above their weights" mainly due to the Congress helping them. Just finished reading a book, which actually lists out the time frame Indira Ghandi had to reach out for a deal with the commies. It was after this deal that organisations like ICHR (Irfan Habib?), JNU etc. were established. The pound of flesh, which the commies got from IG was their rights to get more active role at the academic and other "intelligentsia" level. So for quite some time, the Congress and the commies were actually having a "friendly match". BJP's rise scuttled the honey moon.

In Kerala, the commies notionally have to stand against the Congress, because other wise BJP would make in roads there. The whole dance drama of the Congress retainee Com. Yechuri asking for an alliance with Congress while Com.Karat+Kannur mafia standing against it is because of the situation in Kerala.
Indrad wrote: do want minority appeasement to stop, temple protection, Ram Mandir and action against radical Islam: second part is where Modi govt is failing.
Agreed. But don't know how easy these things would be to implement. Mainly it is because the various IEDs which the "seculars" have placed on the path for any one who wants to change the existing systems. The judiciary, the various commissions, plus some of the constituitional provisions etc, are not very condusive for change. It has all been made to work in an "INC friendly" mode. The common Hindu out there may not be even aware/bothered about this. Plus it is also a problem if BJP symapthisers are expecting a big change in a short period of time (with the sympathisers at times expecting some one else to do the dirty work). On the "Ram Mandir" front, if some progress can be made between the Shia groups and the Temple groups, that would be a very big break through. Radical Islam is facing some heat from the law enforcement agencies, but some good arrests, quick trials and harsh punishments would be required for many people to be convinced. And then the problem of only having Na.Mo and A.Shah has the heavy weight lifters. The top cops of the BJP also seems to be in the Central Govt. now, with no one else to spare to fight wars at the state level.
Mahakala wrote: They'll light fires all over india that modi will have to combat. Unless they take the initiative, they'll have to react to several such Hardiks and mewanis. Remember, we have ka, raj, mp elections next year.
In KA the Congress have already opened multiple war fronts. The Lingayath religion issue, plus the state's own flag code kind of games are being played out. Organisations like PFI, SDPI etc. are now pretty much in open alliance with the Congress government. So looks like the Congress has managed to get a toe hold and have put up a good game plan. It is obvious that it is easier to break up things (destructive) than actually improve things (being constructive). The Congress is all fine to be in destructive mode (to the country), if they can retain power.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by kittoo » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:24 am

Indrad wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:03 am
Sachin wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am
BJP has a real shortage of mini-NaMos in all states. There is a limit to just relying on one person to gather votes all and every time.
Same is the case with the Hindutva issues. Were people really expecting an extreme right wing government to rule them?

PS: Saw a troll. A Sanghie has to start worrying for every state or national level election because BJP contesting. A commie out there can just relax, because for he need to worry only about Tripura and Kerala elections.
+1
my take is that most of Hindus do not want a rabid right winger hardliner govt but they do want minority appeasement to stop, temple protection, Ram Mandir and action against radical Islam: second part is where Modi govt is failing.
Guj is reeling under power vacuum reminded of Bala Thackeray saying 'narendra gaya to gujarat gaya'..
over dependence on one person will hit back at BJP, we need many namos. But BJP is still dealing with Vasundhara et al


last heard in Rajasthan phrase catching up is
Modi se koi bair nahi
par Vasundhara tumhari khair nahi.... :geek:
Vasundhara and Rajasthan are gone. Since 4 years she is running a coma government. Nothing is happening. Whole government is on auto-pilot. You see other CMs (including Shivraj et al) workig and making positive noises, but Maharani is completely comatose.
Then the Udaipur/Rajsamand case (murder of Bengali love jihadi) gave them a chance of coming back but oh how badly was it handled. It was hindutva lightning that had struck the Udaipur region and all the government was doing was fighting Hindus. What was the need of stopping donations coming to the guy's (who killed the Jehadi) family? What was the need of stopping hindu leaders coming there? I didn't see the government doing anything to mullahs who were shouting 'hindustan main rehna hai to allah-o-akbar kehna hoga' in Udaipur. These mullahs would've got beating of a lifetime if only police wasn't fighting pitched battle with hindu youths.
First time bjp government will lose because of a hindutva wave.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:25 am

Sachin wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am
Same is the case with the Hindutva issues. Were people really expecting an extreme right wing government to rule them?
Sachin sir and many others here. Hindutva people AFAIK as asking to remove anti-majority laws, temples, Art 370, RTE, implementing UCC, illegals management, not directly promoting EJs all the while dissing indic festivals etc etc. Why is this extreme right wing to you sir? Asking for a level plaing field is by no stretch of imagination these are extreme right wing.

BTW, development is necessary but not sufficient, to repeat again and again. Did you forget how NM using his coarse voice shouted of Paki meetings etc, about RaGa's temple visits etc. You can't deny BJP using 'hindutva' during polls can you? Well, it's entirely upto them, people will realize they do zilch and just use majority just a cong uses minority, atleast they brought about many laws favoring them at the cost of majority. If the opposition is playing caste cards to divide H votes, very basic counter will be to unite H votes, any strategist can figure this out. How to do it, everyone knows it, so do the BJP.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:27 am

Chandragupta wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:21 am
Congress can/did -

a. repealed POTA within a few days of coming to power
b. blatant & in your face Christian proselytization, open invitation for soul harvesters to come and convert Hindus
c. invention of Hindu terrorism & calling it number 1 problem in India
d. shaming of Hindu religion, culture & our gods
e. outright denial of Hindu history
f. out & out appeasement of radical Islamists, sharing stage with them to abuse Hindus openly in front of everyone
g. open colluding with Pakistan
h. anti-army, humiliates our armed forces, calls them gundas, rascals & rapists
i. shielding Muslim dons, terrorists & criminals
j. weakening of Indian armed forces & defenses
k. massive unlimited corruption & loot
l. no less than Pappu said those who go to temples rape

Despite this, Hindus in this country still vote for Congress.
Actually you are proving that hard Hindutva has its limitations. BJP should have won every elections knowing what congress does to HIndus. But it is not proves that Hindus have other concerns as well. That is the realty.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Aditya_V » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:33 am

Not to Forget to Brand Hindus as Terrorists with False evidence and realease 25 Hard core Jihadis, planning to give Pakis Kashmir then Siachen, Su-30 fleet at 30%, no artillery purchase, LCA in doldrums- tied the hands of commanders at LOC, shaming Army generals like VK singh. Increase in chinese imports by 1200% in 8 years. Create huge NPA's.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Dumal » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:36 am

What is going on with these last few results...? BJP keeps slipping all the way from 109 down to now 98... Con/Oth inch up the other way... Why is it not averaging out? :)) :))

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:46 am

Aditya_V wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:33 am
Not to Forget to Brand Hindus as Terrorists with False evidence and realease 25 Hard core Jihadis, planning to give Pakis Kashmir then Siachen, Su-30 fleet at 30%, no artillery purchase, LCA in doldrums- tied the hands of commanders at LOC, shaming Army generals like VK singh. Increase in chinese imports by 1200% in 8 years. Create huge NPA's.
of 180 seats in Guj, 110 are rural: BJP performed poorly in them.
Do you think they bother about these issues mentioned?

honestly I have no clue how to break caste dragnet! Hindus are by nature docile and not rabid right wingers Islamic radical type..accept that.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:52 am

Its not fair to the BJP to expect them to undo decades of unfair laws to Hindus. It will take time and BJP should be give at least 15 to 20 years to bring change.
Some of the things BJP has done
1. FCRA restrictions on missionary funding and NGOs. Its a on going process and action continues to be taken.
2. BJP friendly media. Times Now and Republic TV are at least neutral. Congress is taken to the cleaners regularly by them. NDTV is in trouble. BJP will have to come back another term to take it to its logical conclusion
3. Instant triple talak is illegal. UCC is being drafted.
4. Ram temple is in courts.
5. Illegal immigration. Cannot be done in 5 years. The fencing is being done. Smart fencing is being set up with pakistan border. With BJP govt at least Rohingiya became an issue and BJP said no to official refugee intake. With congress, we could have ended officially taking in lakhs of refugees.

Please crib and fight with the BJP and vote some one else (there is no one else but congress) if you think the situation of Hindus will improve. But its a blatant lie to say that BJP did not do anything for Hindutva. And this is only in the first term with no control of RS.

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