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Post by Kabir » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:33 pm

Have been hearing a lot about the Canadian minister Jagmeet Singh on social media recently. Its not my intention to identify him as a Sikh but the reason I am posting it in this thread is he has been actively promoted by my Sikh friends on social media groups as the next Canadian prime minister. Some nationalistic websites claim that this may be bad news for India as he may be a pro khalistan supporter and was denied an Indian visa in the past, not sure why. Can any body shed some more light on him? What his views vis-a-vis India as a whole and Hindu-Sikh relations.

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Post by jamwal » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:06 am

Whatever I have heard of him from a few desis and white Canadians, he doesn't seem to be a good person at all.


He was caught lying about his accomplishments in Afghan war: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/201 ... attle.html
Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has formally apologized for embellishing his role in a key Afghan offensive even as evidence emerged that he had made the false claim before.

A beleaguered Sajjan took to social media on Saturday to issue a full mea culpa for his claim to an overseas audience that he was the “architect” of Operation Medusa, a 2006 offensive by Canadian forces to oust Taliban fighters from districts around Kandahar.

Sajjan said he had “made a mistake” in describing his role. “I wish to retract that description and apologize for it. I am truly sorry,” he said Saturday in a Twitter post that referred readers to a fuller explanation on his Facebook page.

“While I am proud of the role I played during my deployments to Afghanistan, my comments were in no way intended to diminish the roles of my former superiors and fellow soldiers. To them I offer my sincere apologies,” Sajjan said.

“What I should have said is that our military successes are the result of the leadership, service and sacrifice of the many dedicated women and men in the Canadian Forces.”


It was not, however, the first time Sajjan had made the claim. In 2015 he told the B.C. program Conversations That Matter that Gen. Jonathan Vance, the current chief of defence staff who was previously a commander in Afghanistan, saw him as a key figure in the 2006 offensive.

“If I could quote him, he said I was the architect of Operation Medusa, one of the biggest operations since the Korean War that Canada has led. We took the fight hard to the Taliban,” Sajjan said in July 2015, just months before he was elected as a Vancouver MP.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/201 ... attle.html

When some terror (?) attack in Canada happened, he was quoted making statements that buying pizza for his family was more important than commenting on the attack.

As far as his khalistani leaning are concerned, it is very interesting that he did not deny it clearly:
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/it-does ... nt-1683377
"It does hurt," says Harjit Sajjan, the visiting Canadian Defence Minister, when asked about whether he had any affiliations with the Khalistan movement. According to Mr Sajjan, who is a war veteran and has served several tours of duty in Afghanistan, "I served people who are the men and women in uniform. I've served alongside them. They know who I am and I'm not going to let anyone else define who I am for their political reasons. I have earned my recognition. I wear my history on my chest."

He was caught littering: http://www.newsmobile.in/articles/2017/ ... oes-viral/
Harjit Singh Sajjan, Canadian defence minister of Indian origin was caught on tape littering the street by throwing seeds from inside his car after eating cherries near a shop in Osoyoos. Unaware of the availability of shop-owner, Singh looked carefree during his act. It was the shopkeeper who then shot the video and later went ahead to talk to him about his unacceptable behaviour.

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Post by Sunny » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:13 pm

@ Jamwal, I think Kabir is referring to Jagmeet Singh the new leader of the New Democratic Party, Canada’s third largest party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagmeet_Singh

The information you’ve posted, which is still very useful and informative, is about the current Canadian defence minister Harjit Singh Sajjan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harjit_Sajjan

Re Jagmeet Singh, the guy cannot even condemn the Air India bombers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-pECUO77djg

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Post by jamwal » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:50 am

You're right. I made a mistake

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Post by sbajwa » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:15 pm

Why are the idiotic Canadian Sikhs supporting the liberal party in these times when Islamic terror is terrorizing the world!

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Post by jamwal » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:12 pm

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Here is one example. Even with all the history and bad blood, I can't understand what goes on in minds of these retards

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Post by Sunny » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:12 pm

As we approach the anniversary of the 1984 killings and riots I wish the current GOI would do more to bring some more of the perpetrators of the killings to justice.

This would:

1: Give justice to those who lost loved ones.
2: Embarrass and further expose the INC.
3: Take away the oxygen to those Khalistanis who use the lack of justice to cause trouble between Hindu and Sikh communities.
4: Finish off the INC in Punjab.

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Post by Kabir » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:12 am

jamwal wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:12 pm
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Here is one example. Even with all the history and bad blood, I can't understand what goes on in minds of these retards
For all she may know one of her fore fathers/brothers may have given their life to exactly protect what she is standing on

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Post by sbajwa » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:55 pm

Stupid is as stupid does!

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Post by jamwal » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:14 pm

http://www.sundayguardianlive.com/inves ... dying-fire
Khalistanis in Canada try to stoke the embers of a dying fire
Canada’s Ontario Assembly passed a private members’ bill recently, recognising the 1984 anti-Sikh riots as “genocide”. The riots had taken place in the aftermath of Operation Blue Star, which resulted in the assassination of Indira Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguards in October 1984. The bill was introduced by Harinder Malhi, a Canadian Sikh and a Liberal member of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario. This did not go down well with the Indian government and the Ministry of External Affairs said in a statement that the motion was “misguided”. When Malhi was approached by The Sunday Guardian to speak on the subject, her office declined comment.

However, terming the 1984 riots as “genocide”, Balpreet Singh Boparai, legal counsel of the World Sikh Organization of Canada said, “The recognition of the 1984 Sikh genocide is a human rights issue. The ongoing use of the term ‘1984 anti-Sikh riots’ to describe the events of November 1984 is a distortion and remains a sore point for the Sikh community. The term ‘riot’ implies unorganised violence between two communities. The 1984 massacres were organised by state actors and were not random violence, as suggested by the term ‘riots’. Sikhs across the world, including India, recognise the events of November 1984 as a genocide. Furthermore, the Ontario legislature’s recognition of the Sikh genocide is not unique. On 30 June 2015, the Delhi Legislative Assembly unanimously passed a resolution stating that the House strongly condemns the Sikh genocide that happened 30 years back in November 1984.”

Other than the genocide motion, in May, Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau attended the annual nagar kirtan organised in Toronto where Khalistani flags were raised. The event also featured floats that displayed posters of dead Khalistani activists. PM Trudeau’s presence at events where people openly support the Khalistan movement raises questions on the Canadian government’s role in sheltering such elements. But Canadian political commentators try to explain this away as mere “vote politics”.

In an email response, Sam Blackwell, senior correspondent for the Globe and Mail, said, “The Trudeau government—like the other two main parties, the Conservatives and the NDP—does court the Sikh community and has a disproportionately large number of Sikh-Canadian Cabinet ministers. And many of the leaders in the Sikh community appear to support the Khalistani cause. But there is no direct evidence that the Liberals (Trudeau’s party) support the idea of an independent Khalistan.”

Such posters or floats are not uncommon in Canada. In the past, officials of the Dasmesh Darbar gurudwara in Surrey, one of the largest in Canada, had come under fire for glorifying alleged terrorists on floats and posters at an annual parade. Posters of Khalistani activists, who India see as terrorists, can be seen hanging in the gurudwara lobby. The gurudwara president, Gian Singh Gill had said that the group provides “moral support” to those who want to create Khalistan, and that it is impossible to separate politics from religion.

Experts say that the India cannot ignore the Khalistani sentiment in Canada because of the effect that the diaspora can have on people in Punjab. Earlier this week, there were reports of Khalistani flags being raised in Punjab’s Bathinda. Sheets of paper with “Khalistan and Khalistan 2020” written with a black marker pen appeared in the Jaga Ram Tirath village in Talwandi Sabo subdivision of Bathinda. The state government is inquiring into the matter.
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The Indian government, on the other hand, has tried to rein in any possible ignition to the Khalistan cause in Canada, through diplomacy. Sources say that there has been an increase in the attendance of Indian diplomats at public events organised by some gurudwaras that are traditionally known to be pro-Khalistani.

In February this year, the hardline activist group “Sikhs for Justice” (SFJ), whose website is banned in India, had written a complaint to the Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs, saying, “Under the cover of ‘community outreach’, Indian diplomats are creating an atmosphere of intimidation among the Canadian Sikhs who have taken refuge in this country from India’s constant persecution.” SFJ’s legal advisor Gurpatwant Pannun, reportedly, wrote the letter to Canada’s Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland. The letter was sent after SFJ took cognizance of the visits made by India’s Consul General in Toronto, Dinesh Bhatia to Greater Toronto Area gurudwaras once considered pro-Khalistan.

Another initiative taken by the Indian government to wean away support for Khalistan among Sikhs in Canada has been through visas for refugees. Indian missions in Canada, particularly in Vancouver, have started issuing visas to those who had reached Canada as refugees. This measure is gradually being rolled out and those with refugee status will be allowed visas of up to 10 years for themselves and their dependants. This gesture by the Indian government has also drawn SFJ’s ire.

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Post by Sunny » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:26 pm

More targeted killings in Punjab.
Exactly 13 days after the killing of a local leader of Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) in Ludhiana, another Hindu right-wing activist, Vipan Sharma, 45, was shot dead in broad daylight in Bharat Nagar locality of the city on Monday.

This is the fifth such murder of Hindu outfit leaders, and the ninth overall of any religious or religio-political leader, in the last two years in Punjab. It is also the third such killing in the tenure of the Congress regime under Captain Amarinder Singh that took power in March. Police and the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) have remained clueless so far, and the probe into RSS leader Ravinder Gosain’s October 17 killing has even been handed over to the National Investigation Agency (NIA
http://m.hindustantimes.com/punjab/shiv ... QUfbI.html

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Post by jamwal » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:46 pm

Aides of Simranjit Mann (Bro-in-law of Punjab CM) along with Pakistanis demand Khalistan, call Hindus “Bandar Sena.”


Our party representatives along with #Muslim brethren, protesting against THIS (Theocratic #Hindu Indian State)
https://twitter.com/SimranjitSADA/statu ... 1306382336
Profile: Official A/C: President Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar), 2 times MP, won with highest margin of votes in 1989, striving for #Khalistan(sovereign state for Sikhs)

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Why did BJP align with khalistanis ? Even congress is much better than them in this case.

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Post by Sunny » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:32 pm

jamwal wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:46 pm
Aides of Simranjit Mann (Bro-in-law of Punjab CM) along with Pakistanis demand Khalistan, call Hindus “Bandar Sena.”


Our party representatives along with #Muslim brethren, protesting against THIS (Theocratic #Hindu Indian State)
https://twitter.com/SimranjitSADA/statu ... 1306382336
Profile: Official A/C: President Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar), 2 times MP, won with highest margin of votes in 1989, striving for #Khalistan(sovereign state for Sikhs)

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Why did BJP align with khalistanis ? Even congress is much better than them in this case.
Simranjit Singh Mann (Open Khalistani) is the President of the Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar).

The BJP are allied with the Badals who lead a different Shiromani Akali Dal party. The Badals may be a lot of things but they are not calling for Punjab to be split from India.

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Post by svenkat » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:32 pm

https://thewire.in/193548/punjab-rsss-r ... ars-sikhs/
The last two years have been particularly bloody, with five top functionaries of the RSS and its affiliate organisations murdered by suspected Sikh hardliners. That the spate of violent attacks on leaders of the Hindu Right coincides with a resurgent RSS’s drive to broaden and deepen its presence in the state, and speaks of the continuing tension between Hindutva and Sikhism. This despite long years of the BJP’s alliance with the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD), whose politics revolves around the Sikh religion. Indeed, the SAD-BJP alliance has always been spoken of as one which is the best combination of Hindu and Sikh interests in the state, making it hard for either to win without the other. But when it comes to the RSS or its Sikh affiliate the Rashtriya Sikh Sangat, even the Akali Dal draws a line.

Days before the Sangat held its widely-opposed event on October 25 to celebrate the 350th birth anniversary of Guru Gobind Singh, the founder of Sikhism, Ravinder Gosain, an RSS leader from Ludhiana, was shot dead by suspected Sikh hardliners. Earlier this week, another right-wing Hindu activist of the Hindu Sangharsh Sena, Vipan Sharma, was murdered in Amritsar. The two killings seem to be part of a pattern that began when Punjab RSS vice president Brig Jagdish Gagneja was shot at in Jalandhar in August last year – he died just over a month later.

History of friction between RSS and Sikhs

The animosity between the RSS and Sikh organisations dates back to the 1980s, when Sikh terrorists uprooted RSS shakhas from border areas of Punjab. It was Gagneja, the then vice president of the RSS in Punjab, who revived these outlying shakhas in the former militant stronghold areas in Tarn Taran and Amritsar, and most believe he paid with his life for doing so. But none of this has deterred the RSS and the Sikh Sangat from pursuing their activities. Never mind if all of Sikhism from the Akal Takht downward, including the Akali Dal, and all powerful Sikh head priests and even one BJP legislator from Delhi not only boycotted the event but forbade all pious Sikhs from attending it. Any association with the Sikh Sangat has been banned by the Akal Takht since 2004, as the apex Sikh body feels that the former has been formed by the RSS to subsume Sikhism into a Hindu identity. The event was attended by RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat, Union home minister Rajnath Singh and president of the Sikh Sangat Gurcharan Singh Gill. The Akali Dal’s refusal to attend the function has attracted the ire of Punjab BJP leaders, some of whom are openly saying that if the Akalis feel so strongly about not associating with the RSS, then why is the party continuing to be part of the NDA and sharing power at the Centre?

For the record, Sikh Sangat president Gill has said that the RSS, which “nurtures and supports us also respects our gurus and faith as a separate religion”. He has rejected all allegations that the RSS is involved in a subversive movement to merge the Sikh identity with Hinduism.

RSS’s ‘ghar wapsi’ programme

The Sangat works in Rajasthan, Haryana and Punjab to consolidate the RSS ideology and has been working alongside the RSS in its ‘ghar wapsi’ programme to re-convert Christians to Hinduism or Sikhism. And that’s where the trouble lies. RSS ghar wapsi programmes in Punjab focus on Christian missionaries and the organisation does not see any difference between Sikhism or Hinduism when it comes to welcoming Christian converts. As this correspondent noted in 2014, after touring the border areas of Punjab, RSS functionaries held ghar wapsi programmes in both gurdwaras as well as temples. Most of those who re-convert are from the scheduled castes and many were threatened with withdrawal of SC benefits if they did not convert. The RSS ghar wapsi campaign in Punjab irked the Akali Dal no end because in recent years, the party had managed to woo Christians in the border areas into its fold and Christian missionaries began complaining to the SAD leadership about the RSS’s activities. RSS workers also taunt Sikh groups and the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee in Punjab for not doing enough to preserve and protect the Sikh faith, claiming that they are doing more by enabling ghar wapsi. For the deeply-politicised Sikh clergy, which functions almost like an extension of the SAD, such charges are deeply unsettling.

Despite the SAD donning a secular garb in recent years, the Sikh realm guards its identity fiercely. Few care to remember that Sikh identity issues triggered the violent secessionist movement which raged in Punjab till the early 1990s. The Sangat, formed in 1986, has always been viewed with suspicion by Sikhs of all hues in Punjab because in the RSS’s larger scheme of a Hindu rashtra, Sikhism is seen as just another sect of Hinduism. In 2004, the Akal Takht banned the Sangat and forbade Sikhs from associating with it. And after its then president, Rulda Singh, was shot dead by Babbar Khalsa militants in 2009, the organisation has been virtually defunct in Punjab. Out of the 500 odd units that it runs, only 15 operate in Punjab. The rest are in Delhi, Rajasthan, Haryana, Uttarakhand and Madhya Pradesh. Since 2014, when the BJP formed the government at the Centre, the RSS and the Sangat have been trying to revive the organisation in Punjab by raising Sikh issues, but have been thwarted each time. Both moderate and radical Sikh organisations unite to defeat the “designs of the Sangh” to appropriate Sikh space. .....

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Post by svenkat » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:48 pm

https://thewire.in/104404/dalit-issues- ... -dialogue/

Not directly Hindu-Sikh but on mazhabi/dalit sikhs in Punjab.

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Post by jamwal » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:26 am

Sikhs in article posted here are just doing, What is mine is mine, what is yours is mine too. A deeply insecure mindset, high on koolaid of martial superiority over "weak" Hindus can not tolerate anyone even those with good intentions to behave differently.

This is no better than what pakis do .

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Post by svenkat » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:01 am

I have a 'strange' interest in politics of TN and Punjab.Punjab I 'see' from far through newspaper,books.TN,I know from the inside.

The very fact that TN and Punjab are part of the same nation is in my mind nothing short of a miracle.They are two 'extremes' of a continnum.

I will merely say that nothing is beyond criticism and as an armchair jingo I have strong feelings on some issues.But when we critique we must not forget that we are critiquing our own(also,we are a part of the same system)and we hope that the deviant elements mend their ways.We also remember the middle ground and the dharmic elements.

Finally,there are other states between the two in the continuum and it is not as if they are paradises on earth.On closer scrutiny,one sees similar social and other issues.For instance,since my post was about dalit issues,Jammu which is 'beyond' Punjab has 31% dalit population and the ch%6&as of NC are fishing in troubled waters there.

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Post by sbajwa » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:55 pm

They could be non-sikhs dressed as Sikhs !

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Post by Rudradev » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:22 am

sbajwa wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:55 pm
They could be non-sikhs dressed as Sikhs !
Very good point.

Congress is the party that was responsible for Bhindranwale's rise in the first place (also Pirabhakaran's, in a different part of the subcontinent).

Congress is also neck-deep in collusion with Pakistan's ISI.

Congress, in addition, has a 40 year history of setting Sikhs against Hindus for political gain in Punjab.

These people wearing pagris and killing the RSS activist on video could have been anybody. It is extremely easy to frame Sikhs for any act, especially in the age of Social Media and cell-phone photos/videos.

We should perhaps also remember that most of the hardline Khalistani terrorists carrying out hits in public places (as opposed to Bhindranwale's terrorist militia within the Golden Temple) often used to go about without pagri and beard to disguise themselves.

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Post by jamwal » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:14 am

According to some newspapers, shooter is a Sikh, though with cut hair. His pictures were posted.

Interesting point in picture is people laughing at death of Hindu worker. 7 people showing happiness at murder, 6 are Sikhs and 1 muslim. Shows how pathetic these idiots are.

Many Hindu right wingers show a lot of support for Sikhs, many times bordering on groveling. Sentences like "Whole India would be muslim if not for Sikhs" and incorrect stupid platitudes. Many of these people also try to rake up 1984 riots and claim that they want justice for it. Strangely they don't ask for Hindus massacred by Khalistani Sikhs, even by mistake.

A lot of Sikhs loudly claim that Sikhism was not meant as a means to fight Islamic tyranny but to preach peace . They claim that Guru Gobind Singh fought against more Hindu rajas than muslims. But have only "rage for hurting religious sentiments" or lying when anyone points out that Sikhs Gurus and their followers were tortured and killed by muslims which eventually forced them to take up arms. They probably think that Sikhs dropped out of sky and the panth had no Hindu participants and support. They know all the differences but none of the commonality. Pathetic really.


I never supported attack on Golden temple and consider 1984 riots as a big blot on Indian state. But over the last 2-3 years I have come to realise that Hindus should stick to own issues. Do not show any overt solidarity with Sikhs for any of their political or religious issues. Stay neutral. No matter what your intention, displaying any concern will make a majority of Sikhs hate and ridicule only Hindus and badmouth Indian state. Not Congress, not Islam , not anybody else.

My request to people who read this thread. Have good relations with Sikhs you know. But don't try to get involved in their issues or show any kind of concern or support for their political or religious issues. Keep quiet unless asked for opinion for 1984 riots, Goldstar , drugs in Punjab (funny what happened to it after Congress came to power) and other stuff. People in general respect danda, not love. One sided respect is just pathetic and makes Hindus look weak.

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Post by Kabir » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:28 am

The problem is encore and I will try to explain why in my limited capacity.
Problem is the difference between the modern Sikh ideology and that of its founding fathers. Many Sikhs today have started believing that Sikhism is an organised religion like chrislam just because it has the 'book'. This has now gone to a point where islam eventually ended i.e. - we are everything that is Non-Hindu. I studied in a muslim engg college, it is very good college in terms of quality of students who study there. Even with all the logical thinking the most common argument that the muslim students had against non muslims was that islam is a newer religion which removed the drawbacks of all religions before it - just like windows XP was better than Windows 98. Add the Sikhs to that mix, some Sikhs I met also go by this simple logic broadly based on the below points which are etched into stone for them:
1. Sikhism doesnt have caste system like hinduism and treats all humans equal and hence superior to hinduism or sanatan dharma
2. Men and women have equal rights in Sikhsim
3. There is women empowerment
4. We dont worship idols (completely ignore nirakar aspect of hinduism, never even a mention of it as if it is a Sikh/islamic invention)
5. Hindus dont empathise for 1984 pogrom (Even if most do they are not acknowledged)
6. We don't waste milk etc in temples but feed the poor and do social work via Gurudwaras etc
The above points are always portrayed in mainstream and social media again and again to drive the point home. Even something as noble as a blood donation camp by a Gurudwara is used by certain Sikhs in social media to show that Sikhism is into noble causes or if drinking water is distributed during a natural calamity etc. You always sense a need of people wanting to push into in your face to show its goodness or superiority especially in todays not so noble times.

There is literally no argument against this kind of thinking and no amount of discussion can help if someone is raised from childhood with this thinking. There are many Sikhs out there who can see through the above and have a much balanced view but it is the opposite thinkers who like to create noise - as they say truth can stand on its own but lies needs a lot of friends. Same applies to Hindus, however one advantage Hindus enjoy over other religion followers is that there wasn't a religion preceding them, so there is no sense of urgency or desperation to portray itself as different from any core philosophy out there. This also gives them a much higher sense of acceptance as no Sanatan text is written in recent history by any thinker who had other philosophies to compare. This is the main reason why India was the birth place of many new religions and philosophies which were neither inventions or discoveries but just different ways of presenting the same core truth.

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Post by sbajwa » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:51 pm

1. Sikhism doesnt have caste system like hinduism and treats all humans equal and hence superior to hinduism or sanatan dharma
Then why do the Sikhs have Jats, Khatris, Ramgarhia and Ramdasia castes and they don't marry among each other?
Did you tell them that Hinduism also does not have a caste system anymore., neither Sati and widows can be remarried.

2. Men and women have equal rights in Sikhsim
Then why does Sikhs have least girls to boys ratio among all communities of India? Sikh household males are indeed chauvinistic just listen
to the songs and watch movies.

3. There is women empowerment.
There was women empowerment at the times of the Sikh Gurus., not anymore.

4. We dont worship idols (completely ignore nirakar aspect of hinduism, never even a mention of it as if it is a Sikh/islamic invention)
Sikhs do worship Sri Guru Granth sahib as an Idol. I have seen mindless chanting of SGGS continuously without understanding it.
All Sikh gurus insist that mindless reading of the book (like Akhand Path) is wastage of the time and they must understand it and contemplate on the Gurbani.

5. Hindus dont empathise for 1984 pogrom (Even if most do they are not acknowledged).
That is not true! Even if 3000 Sikhs were murdered by Congoons., hundreds of thousands were saved by Hindus.

6. We don't waste milk etc in temples but feed the poor and do social work via Gurudwaras etc.
That might be true for some places and some Sikh organizations but so are many RSS and Hindu organizations doing the same.

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Post by svenkat » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:16 pm

It is becos there are ppl like bajwa ji that our country is atleast surviving.

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