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Criminal Cases against Hindu Religious Leaders

Post by MehtaRahulC » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:06 am

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Since decades, Hindu saints have been facing serious criminal cases. Some recent ones are
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(1) Shankracharya jayendra Saraswati of Kanchi, Tamil Nadu -- accused of murder , later acquitted
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(2) Sant Sri Asaram Bapu - accused of raping minor in aug-2013, arrested in around sep-2013, no bail, in prison case still going on
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(2a) Sant Asaram Bapu was accused of murder of two children in his Gurukul. Later policemen said that it was accidental downing - the kids had gone for swim in river on their own.
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(3) Sant Narayan Sai , son of Sant Sri Asaram Bapu - accused of raping - in 2014, two ladies who worked in Ashram between year 2002 and 2005 in year 2014 complained that Narayan Sai had raped, molested, sexuall exploited etc them in years 2002 to 2005. Narayan Sai was arrested in around oct-2014 and got bail in may-2015. But he is still in prison for another case - bribing policemen !! All cases are under hearing
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(4) Baba Ram Rahim Gurmeetji - in year 2004, the then PM ABV got letters from two ladies that Baba Ram Rahimji had raped them in year 1999 or so. Haryana policemen interviewed some 200 ladies, and found nothing. And then CBI interviewed 100s of ladies in around year 2006 and found that statements of 2 ladies prove rape. Based on their statements, lower court convicted Baba Ram Rahimji and sentenced for 20 years in prison. Baba Ram Rahimji is also facing charges or murder and forcing 400 men to undergo castration !!! So far, policemen have found only one of these 400 men who has given statement before policemen. So far, no statement has been recorded in open court.
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(5) Sant Rampal (of Revari, Haryana) - accused of murder and what not
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These are only some of the cases.
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There is a long of SERIOUS criminal cases like murder, rape, castration, land grabbing and so on against 10s of Hindu saints in India. Yogi Adityanath is also facing many criminal cases
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Pls post information, views, opinions etc on these CASES. Are these cases in your opinions real / fake? And are evidences sufficient to justify cases and imprisonment for years as under trial prisoners , and sentences? Or are cases "motivated" and some forces are paying / forcing policemen / judges to persue these cases? If so, who are these men, and what are their motives? And what are the effects of these cases on Hindu society?

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Re: Serious criminal cases against Hindu saints - real / fake? And who are behind these cases?

Post by Singha » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:27 am

imho its a mixed bag of real and fake cases.

but the overall effect and intent of fakenews artistes piggybacking on the real cases to fire on others is to tarnish hindu religious gurus. there are a lot of nasty fakenews pics and memes floating around on the biggest target - baba ramdev. they tried very hard to take him down but then 2014 happened.

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Re: Serious criminal cases against Hindu saints - real / fake? And who are behind these cases?

Post by gunjur » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:03 am

One more case is against Sri Sri Raghaveshwara Bharati swamiji of Ramachandrapura maTa in karnataka. He is famous for gouraksha projects. In 2014 or so, one lady came up saying the swamiji physically assaulted her repeatedly. The case is still ongoing in courts. IIRC the lower courts has said there is no clinching evidence for rape. But the case goes on. Recently there was an article in a kannada newspaper wherein it compared the pace of investigation done by karnataka CID (or was it COD) on two cases: 1st the case on swamiji, 2nd on kj george (minister in karnatak govt). within weeks they submitted report that there is no misuse of power by george and he is innocent. Later he was re-inducted back into karnataka govt. But wrt to swamiji case, its ongoing.
Recently there was remark from the lady that supporters/followers of swamiji could be possibly behind the killing of gauri lankesh as she had written against him in her paper.

But one thing, swamiji (i.e. the MaTa) runs large goushalas and was very committed on the cow protection front. Needs to be seen where this case will end up.

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Re: Serious criminal cases against Hindu saints - real / fake? And who are behind these cases?

Post by MehtaRahulC » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:15 am

gunjur wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:03 am
One more case is against Sri Sri Raghaveshwara Bharati swamiji of Ramachandrapura maTa in karnataka. He is famous for gouraksha projects. In 2014 or so, one lady came up saying the swamiji physically assaulted her repeatedly. The case is still ongoing in courts. IIRC the lower courts has said there is no clinching evidence for rape. But the case goes on. Recently there was an article in a kannada newspaper wherein it compared the pace of investigation done by karnataka CID (or was it COD) on two cases: 1st the case on swamiji, 2nd on kj george (minister in karnatak govt). within weeks they submitted report that there is no misuse of power by george and he is innocent. Later he was re-inducted back into karnataka govt. But wrt to swamiji case, its ongoing.
Recently there was remark from the lady that supporters/followers of swamiji could be possibly behind the killing of gauri lankesh as she had written against him in her paper.

But one thing, swamiji (i.e. the MaTa) runs large goushalas and was very committed on the cow protection front. Needs to be seen where this case will end up.
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Medical evidence neews test to be done within 72 hours, aor at most a week. If allegation is made months or years later, then there cant be medical evidence. There was no medical evidence in Baba Ram Rahimji Gurmeetji case as well, because complainer was interviewed some 6 years after , CBI claims, she sent letter in 2002, which was 4 years after , as CBI says, that lady had said that she was raped.
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(Because lady has never said any court before judge that she was raped. CBI Magistrate says that lady made statements that imply that she was raped !! And copy of statements made by two ladies were NOT made available to Ram Rahimji's lawyers !!! ).
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Iow, Supreme court said that statement of lady can be taken as evidence. But in Baba Hurmeetji's case, court went one step ahead. Court said that "CBI Magistrate's statement that lady had made the statement" should be taken as evidence even if lady has not made statement before the judge !!! So "statement that statement was made" is evidence !!!
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Now SCjs has ruled that "lady's statements can be taken as sufficient full and final evidence". And "court cant dismiss the case just because there is no physical or medical evidence and there is no witness.
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So iyo (in YOUR opinion), how should the cases be now handled?
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Just because Sri Sri Raghaveshwara Bharati swamiji of Ramachandrapura maTa was gorakshak doesnt prove or disprove anything, right? After all Baba Ram Rahimji and Sant Ari Asaram Bapu too have huge arrays of social service.
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So iyo (in YOUR opinion), how should the cases be now handled?
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The people who are against these seers often say say "I am convinced that this baba or seer is bad bad bad so lets not wait for evidences ... lets just hang this baba" !!! eg Many Dalit Sikhs left Akali Dal Badal and joined Baba Ram Rahimji and so Badal supporters dont want to get into details about evidences !!!
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As per Akali Badal supporters, Baba forced 400 youth to get castrated. Now one lawyer working for Baba himself decided to get his testes removed. There are million cases a year across world ... including 1000s of cases where men change their sex to female (one such case is Watchowasky , director of Matrix trilogy mobies). Now can one possible force a lawyer to remove his testes ?!! And if one manages to force a lawyer, lawyer, then will he stay there? And will others stay there when they come to know that Baba is forcing people to remove testes?
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So evidences go to hell and logic too can go to hell. Their war cry is "this baba ruined political base of Akali Badal, I like Akali Badal, and so take mere statement that statement was made as evidence , and hang this baba , hang this baba , hang this baba ....."
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And Missinaries want all these Baba like Rampalji, Ram Rhimji , Sant Asaram Bapu etc down, because due to these baba, they are unable to convert Dalits !!
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So finally question before us citizens of India --- what court procedures do we adopt to resolve such 100s of cases against Hindu seers?
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Shall we have full faith in judges? Shall we put full faith in CBI and PM who runs the CBI? What way out do we take?

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Post by MehtaRahulC » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:33 am

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Hindu saint Yogi Adityanathji too has several (imo false) criminals cases against him, as per his own election affidavit. Court has NOT chargesheeted him or convicted him so far. And he has bail in all these case (obviously). But here is the list of the cases of Yogi Adityanath (and imo , they are all false).
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http://myneta.info/ls2014/candidate.php ... te_id=9254
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http://docs2.myneta.info/affidavits/ews ... YANATH.pdf (see page-4)
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One false case is "attempt to murder" !!!
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Now the day court wishes, the court can put all cases against Yogi Adityanathji in 4th gear, and take statements of all witnesses as true, and bingo --- imprisonment for a few decades !!!
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So we citizens of India need to seriously decide on how these cases against Hindu seers be expedited speedily and FAIRLY !!

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Post by sbajwa » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:54 pm

Gurmeet Ram Rahim is not a "Hindu Saint"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Singh.html

He castrated children to make them guard his Sadhavis., just like Islamic kings use to have Harems and eunuchs to guard them.

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Post by Kabir » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:47 pm

I am not in favour of modern day babas who may not really uplift people spiritually but may rather suck their energies and money under the garb of spirituality. However some of the recent happenings do raise questions - e.g. how can a high profile baba like Asaram surrounded by people at most times be involved in something like Rape. I don't have a clue about his character but none of his behaviors in the past or his lifestyle (unlike ram rahim) has indicated that he may have been doing something like this. Also a previous case against some baba was proved false.
People dont realise hat this not just impacts the baba in general but also destroys his devotees mentally and socially. The EJs kill two birds with one stone there

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Post by Sridhar k » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:47 am

From a relative who is involved in admin of one of the mutts/religious institution/trusts, the politicians of all hue force them to park their illgotten wealth and launder in the trusts. This gets accomodated as therebis fear of harrassment from the system. When issues surface during any of transactions, the politicos use any means to malign the head.

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Post by Aditya_V » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:03 am

sbajwa wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:54 pm
Gurmeet Ram Rahim is not a "Hindu Saint"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Singh.html

He castrated children to make them guard his Sadhavis., just like Islamic kings use to have Harems and eunuchs to guard them.
He was never a Hindu or SIkh, he was Athiest/Secular saint. He was agianst Hindu rituals

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Post by saip » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:11 pm

Calling Gurmeet Ram Rahim a saint totally changes the meaning of saint. In any case I thought the sainthood is bestowed on a person after they die.

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Post by saip » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:11 pm

Dupe.

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Post by MehtaRahulC » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:32 pm

Hinduism never had any central authority to decide who is saint and who is not. Every Hindu is given freedom to call himself a saint, and every Hindu is free to accept any Saint as saint / guru, or not to accept. And any Hindu is free to call one's saint as non-saint, within the limit of proper language.
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There was time when Hindus saw massive inter-sect violence - shaiv vs vaishnanav vs buddhists vs jains (yes, many Hindu kings killed Jains) and all. And then there were grouping --- Vaishnavs made Buddha 9th avatar of vishnu to accomodate buddhists (what an irony, because buddha doesnt really believe in god !!). And shaiv and buddhist keep killing each other (read - Pushyamitra Shuga) and gave valid reasons that "buddhism is weakening India" and so on
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After centuaries of violence, some basic rules were formed ---
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(1) that no sect follower will use PHYSICAL force against any sect followers
(2) no sect will use physical force if member of that sect leaves that sect and joins other sect
(3) each one is free to make verbal abuses against others
(4) king will NEVER use physical violence against a sect unless that sect starts violence against members of another sects or starts using vioence against those who leave that sect
(5) king will never mock any saint
(6) a king may favor saints he likes , but king will never tax the saint he doesnt like
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.... and so on.
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So all in all, Hinduism had -- "I dont like your saint, and so I wont call him saint".
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Islam and Chrisniaty never accepted these norms. Here, it was OK to say "I dont like your saint and so I will imprison him, use legal force against him, use policemen to kill him" etc etc. And there are institutions which decide who can be priest or saint etc. eg in Catholics, only Pope can decide who will get "saint" status !!
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So first question is - has DSS used violence against members of other sects? NO
next, did DSS ever used violence against those who left DSS and joined Akali badal or anyone else? NO
next, can you cite evidences that policemen have against dera people? (not newslink of some missonary paid newspaper or TV-channels.
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And a random fire starts "once upon a time, BRRGg's distant blood cousin was a khalastani terrorist (so?). And BRRGg used to drive trucks back then. And he used to ship goods such as guns for Khalistanis (any police file? NO). In those says, many resturant owners reguraly provided food to Khalistani and never ratted due to some small money or due to fear !! Does that make all of them dreaded criminals that we chase them today? imo NO. I request all to ignore these random fire and focus on criminal cases and evidences policemen are putting
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So my point is ---- 100 Hindus or 1 crore Hindus call a man a saint, and so he is saint for them. He may NOT be saint for you or me. We Hindus are not Muslims or Christian, that a person not authorized to be called a saint should be punished.
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If he is not saint, nothing stops you from approaching his followers and ask them all to leave the sect . In fact, thats what many DSS people did. They without using any force asked many Dalit Silkhs to leave Akali Badal and many Dalit Sikhs left him and joined DSS. Now Akali Badal can do the same --- they can approach Dalit Sikhs and ask them to leave DSS and rejoin Akali Badals. But what is unethical as per Hinduism and also morality, is to use policemen in absence of evidences
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So I come back --- you dont like dress of BRRGg is really no complaint. He is not saint? Fine he is not.
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Now can you cite evidences that policemen have against him for 20 years of imprisonment?
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Or do you believe in norm that "I dont like a saint and so I will ask policemen to imprison him regardless"
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And same for all Saints.
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You dont think Sant Sri Asaram Bapu is saint? OK he is NOT. Now care to enumerate evidences against him?
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You dont think Narayan Sai is saint? OK he is NOT. Now care to enumerate evidences against him?
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You dont think Sant Rampal is saint? OK he is NOT. Now care to enumerate evidences against him?

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Re: Serious criminal cases against Hindu saints - real / fake? And who are behind these cases?

Post by AmoghaVarsha » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:18 am

Lets first separate The Shankaracharyas from the self appointed saints.

Uthistha Bharata



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Re: Criminal Cases against Hindu Religious Leaders

Post by Sunny » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:47 am

Asaram Bapu: Controversial Indian guru convicted of rape
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43889797

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