The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:52 pm

Congress has already threatened those working for the govt with dire consequences if they return to power.

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Post by KL Dubey » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:47 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:52 pm
Congress has already threatened those working for the govt with dire consequences if they return to power.
If you are getting this information from the internet, can you post the links ?

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Post by crams » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:15 pm

Guys, is this ex military office Gen. Hooda another Ajai Shukla in the making? The guy comes out and makes the allegation that ModiJi over-hyped the surgical strikes, they should not be politicized etc etc. Not only that, when low-IQ toadies like Burka bibi start praising him to show their phony respect for Indian military, whom they otherwise berate for killing dreaded terrorists like Burhan Wani, then he is suspect in my eyes :-).

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-5483929/

While Hooda laments politicization, his remarks themselves seem political. He forgets to mention who started the politicization:

1. Soon after Uri, thugbandhan were mocking ModiJi for 56" chest instead of grieving for the lives of the soldiers who were martyred or any sense of outrage against Pakis. Can there be a more crass, insensitive expression of political opportunism bordering on sedition?

2. There was anger and humiliation both within public and within army ranks that time and again, Pakis make Indian army look impotent unable to hit back

3. So ModiJi/DovalJi challenged the Indian army to come up with a plan to hit TSP, and the army presented a plan with all the attendant risks. ModiJi/DovalJi took the risky gambit and authorized the strikes. It was a strategic decision to show TSP that India can do it and there is a price to pay for their murderous actions. The strikes were executed with machine-like precision.

4. Post strikes, thugbandhan first mocked Indian army and govt's claim and then asked for proof. Congoons were saying 'metoo'. It was sour grapes everywhere. Nothing could have please Paki army/ISI more than this. The entire strategic value of the strikes evaporated into thin air the moment Indian opposition traitor politicians surrendered at the alter of political greed what the military had achieved on the battle field. (I only shudder to think how much damage to India would have been done by these traitors had the strikes not succeeded). Sorry for my self flagellation, but among all world religions, only Hindus are capable of such self-inflicted treachery. So basically, this was the politicization, which Pappu's latest military friend Hooda does not recognize or deliberately side steps.

5. Once the issue went political, like Kartarpur, BJP was not going to sit by idly and let the nation's honor and their own hard work and risk taking go waste. They went to the other extreme, and started hyping the strikes as though it was a military conquest of TSP, and started briging in religious connotations like invoking Lord Hanuman etc, which p!ssed the thugbandhan off even more.

6. As a result of #4, and #5, TSPA/ISI pretty much escaped the abject humiliation that was heaped on them, and undeterred, continued on with their evil designs, scores of terror attacks followed, Nagrota being the most dastardly, and continues to this day. And Indian politicians continue to fight with each other like brainless dogs, and now as I predicted aeons ago, its now TSPA/ISI/thugbandhan Vs BJP/RSS.

7. In a sense I agree with Col. Hooda, I think there indeed was hype over the strikes, but the full context needs to be understood, and it was the thugbandhan that politicized the surgical strikes, not BJP. They reacted and went overboard. As I explain in another post above, there is a huge constituency that does not want to see India, under a Hindu nationalist govt, win outright against TSP.

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Post by JohnTitor » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:17 am

India has so many divisions, unlike most countries. So development alone will never suffice. The funny thing is Vikas and pro-Hindu policies can go hand in hand. Non-hindus will never vote for BJP, no matter how much BJP portray themselves to be secular (the western definition of the word). So why BJP strive to be purely development based? I feel this is where Modi has failed.

It makes no sense to be secular when you're never going to be considered as such. India doesn't deserve a leader like Modi who sees all citizens equally. They deserve someone like deve gowda or Didi or mulayam. Such are the people.

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Post by JohnTitor » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:23 am

crams wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:15 pm
Guys, is this ex military office Gen. Hooda another Ajai Shukla in the making? The guy comes out and makes the allegation that ModiJi over-hyped the surgical strikes, they should not be politicized etc etc. Not only that, when low-IQ toadies like Burka bibi start praising him to show their phony respect for Indian military, whom they otherwise berate for killing dreaded terrorists like Burhan Wani, then he is suspect in my eyes :-).

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-5483929/
Looks like all the military junta are crawling out of the woodwork.

Indian Army ex-chief wasn’t surprised when Dassault junked HAL as Rafale offsets partner

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One of the biggest stumbling blocks in the programme, aside from defence procurement procedures, he said, was that manufacturers were not getting any indication that the government was interested in developing and buying equipment for its own armed forces.

Recalling a conversation with a manufacturer after the last Budget, he added, “There was hardly any money left for capital purchases.”

The “upset manufacturer”, Malik said, feared that meagre budget set aside for defence meant he won’t get any orders, despite having invested a lot of money in the sector.

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What he says kinda makes sense though..

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Post by la.khan » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:59 am

KL Dubey wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:47 pm
Supratik wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:52 pm
Congress has already threatened those working for the govt with dire consequences if they return to power.
If you are getting this information from the internet, can you post the links ?
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/10713312 ... 81/photo/1
Yet another reason why these t*rds should never, ever be voted back to power :evil:

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Post by Indrad » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:05 pm

any input on VHP steadily stealing RJB issue from Modi? They took out a huge rally in Delhi joined by RSS heavy weights for Ram Mandir construction. With Modi ministers meekly giving media byte ...matter in court....
double dholki anti corruption crusader Swamy has vowed to topple Modi govt in Jan if they fail to construct Ram Mandir. He says he will topple both kendra & Yogi sarkar.
So not only rivals & media Modi has to fight bushfire within party also.

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Post by Sunny » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:04 pm

Why is Sinha so bitter and twisted? His son was made a Minister of State 5 mins after entering parliament (which was in part down to his surname) yet Sinha Senior still treats Modi with utter contempt.
"Mamata Banerjee Has All Traits To Become A Good PM": Yashwant Sinha
All India Press Trust of India
Yashwant Sinha said he hopes West Bengal and TMC would play a major role in defeating PM Modi.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/yashwan ... nt-1960106
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Post by Sunny » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:05 pm

Why is Sinha so bitter and twisted? His son was made a Minister of State 5 mins after entering parliament yet Sinha Senior treats Modi with utter contempt.
"Mamata Banerjee Has All Traits To Become A Good PM": Yashwant Sinha
All India Press Trust of India
Yashwant Sinha said he hopes West Bengal and TMC would play a major role in defeating PM Modi.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/yashwan ... nt-1960106

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Post by KL Dubey » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:46 pm

Sunny wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:05 pm
Why is Sinha so bitter and twisted? His son was made a Minister of State 5 mins after entering parliament yet Sinha Senior treats Modi with utter contempt.
"Mamata Banerjee Has All Traits To Become A Good PM": Yashwant Sinha
All India Press Trust of India
Yashwant Sinha said he hopes West Bengal and TMC would play a major role in defeating PM Modi.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/yashwan ... nt-1960106
This guy and Arun Sourpuss will both end up the Jaswant Singh way......otherwise good (even distinguished) careers blackened by their last few years of infamy - the latter being what they shall be remembered for.

The main problem with being an a-hole in your sunset years is that your younger and long-lived opponent will be sure to have you remembered that way.

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Post by KL Dubey » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:49 pm

Sunny wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:04 pm
Why is Sinha so bitter and twisted? His son was made a Minister of State 5 mins after entering parliament (which was in part down to his surname) yet Sinha Senior still treats Modi with utter contempt.
"Mamata Banerjee Has All Traits To Become A Good PM": Yashwant Sinha
All India Press Trust of India
Yashwant Sinha said he hopes West Bengal and TMC would play a major role in defeating PM Modi.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/yashwan ... nt-1960106

Obviously with these wild statements he is reaching a point of desperation from which there is no return. Everyone should take the same approach as NaMo: pay absolutely no attention and let these frustrated old codgers like Sinner and Sourpuss while away their last years in self-destruction.....

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Post by KL Dubey » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:58 pm

Indrad wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:05 pm
any input on VHP steadily stealing RJB issue from Modi?
None.

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Post by Sachin » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:47 am

JohnTitor wrote: Looks like all the military junta are crawling out of the woodwork.
There has always been a cliche/gang of ex-IA officers mainly from the Chandigarh belt who have been INC-pasand for quite some time. Which also makes it obvious that defence forces are not politically neutral; at least at their top officer level. It was only BJP who tried some thing on OROP, and now even with that they are being targetted by certain groups of ex-defence officers.
Indrad wrote:any input on VHP steadily stealing RJB issue from Modi? They took out a huge rally in Delhi joined by RSS heavy weights for Ram Mandir construction. With Modi ministers meekly giving media byte ...matter in court....
Being part of the government (a constitutionally recognized body et.al) the BJP would have very big limitations in doing any thing for or against the RJB. It is very easy to make any sort of crass statements, when the statement maker is not part of any official entity. The BJP can still trap the VHP & RSS. All they have to say is "Fine gentlemen, BJP unfortunately cannot do any thing for RJB. Now make the people vote us out, and then what is your next plan? Hope that INC would build the temple for you? Or you can do more rabble rousing and cause riots in the country?". The VHP seems to be real clueless bafoons who can only do rabble rousing, and just want a chance to start a riot. When INC comes to power there would not be any difference in the way they would treat an RSS, BJP or VHP worker.
He says he will topple both kendra & Yogi sarkar.
It would be fun to watch how he plans to do this. SuSwamy, I guess at times gets a feeling that he can walk on water.
Sunny wrote:Why is Sinha so bitter and twisted? His son was made a Minister of State 5 mins after entering parliament (which was in part down to his surname) yet Sinha Senior still treats Modi with utter contempt.
The two Sinhas - Shatrughan and Yeshwant have a feeling that they are some big-wigs who the BJP should placate. But for some good reason the BJP leadership have clearly realised that these two are absolutely good for nothing people. The main stream media how ever helps them get a larger than life picture, because they are the two currently available Jaichands.

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Post by vishvak » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:00 pm

R.B.I. governor Urjit P. steps down. Seems haphazard copy of officials stepping down in US. No connection but where is that a reason in Politics.

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Post by la.khan » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:50 pm

To Vijay Mallya: welcome back home :twisted:
UK court orders extradition of former KFA boss; CBI welcomes verdict
Judge Emma Arbuthnot, England’s chief magistrate, decided there was a prima facie case against Mallya, who moved to Britain in March 2016, and his human rights would not be infringed if he was extradited. Her ruling will now be passed to the interior minister who must also approve it.

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Post by chetak » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:15 pm

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Post by Hari Seldon » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:22 pm

Sachin wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:47 am
Being part of the government (a constitutionally recognized body et.al) the BJP would have very big limitations in doing any thing for or against the RJB. It is very easy to make any sort of crass statements, when the statement maker is not part of any official entity.
While all that is nice and dandy sir, Modi ji is not just a GoI officeholder but also a politician.

Why not show some political instincts and go meet your voters-turned-critics halfway? Politics is the art of the possible after all.

Is it sooo hard as to be *impossible* to manage this situ? And openly converse with folks who toiled in 2014 to ensure Modi ji's victory?

On the contrary, stuff like this ...
The BJP can still trap the VHP & RSS. All they have to say is "Fine gentlemen, BJP unfortunately cannot do any thing for RJB. Now make the people vote us out, and then what is your next plan? Hope that INC would build the temple for you? Or you can do more rabble rousing and cause riots in the country?".

... is exactly what GoI shouldn't do.

Shooting our own people in the back may be a keyboard warrior's idea of fun, I sure hope it ain't the GoI's.
The VHP seems to be real clueless bafoons who can only do rabble rousing, and just want a chance to start a riot. When INC comes to power there would not be any difference in the way they would treat an RSS, BJP or VHP worker.
Of course they are clueless buffoons, compared to lukewarmly gaseous online forum-based know-all hot-shots calling pot-shots on those who actually decided to get off their butt and voice their demands, democratically and legitimately, ere that be misunderstood. But hey that be rioting and what not, or should be treated as such. Perhaps. Who knows. Onlee.

P.S. Acting all high and mighty and distant and silent (except for castigating gorakshaks, coz THAT apparently is a genocidal sin - no can do onlee) works for a while alright. Jai ho and all that. Wonlee.

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Post by JohnTitor » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:35 pm

^^ +108

Absolutely well said.

Funny thing is when people voice their opinion here about the government showing apathy to Hindus, they say we should do more than be a keyboard warrior. When they do, they tell them to stay put and call them names.

Such is the crowd that is best suited to sit under an AC room in a foreign country.

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Post by KL Dubey » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:36 pm

All are part of the same "Sangh parivar". If at one point BJP or RSS or VHP is spearheading a particular issue, it doesn't mean the other two are being pushed aside.

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Post by JohnTitor » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:39 pm

Hari Seldon wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:22 pm
Sachin wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:47 am
Being part of the government (a constitutionally recognized body et.al) the BJP would have very big limitations in doing any thing for or against the RJB. It is very easy to make any sort of crass statements, when the statement maker is not part of any official entity.
While all that is nice and dandy sir, Modi ji is not just a GoI officeholder but also a politician.

Why not show some political instincts and go meet your voters-turned-critics halfway? Politics is the art of the possible after all.

Is it sooo hard as to be *impossible* to manage this situ? And openly converse with folks who toiled in 2014 to ensure Modi ji's victory?
Actually, it's not just that.

An INC or another government will not hesitate to pass laws that are anti Hindu but somehow Hindus can't pass laws for Hindus, using the very same machinery.

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Post by KL Dubey » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:48 pm

It seems the same type of posts yet again out before the election results and/or any sign of adverse news. This is all just personal frustration being projected to blame the leader. The leader has never lied about his personal intentions and is delivering what he promised. If you do not like that, please find another leader to vote for - plain and simple. Otherwise this becomes the equivalent of a relentlessly nagging wife.

1) I am still to get any information from any of these posters on my factual request: Kindly show me a single 2013-2014 campaign rally of NaMo in which he promised Hindutva items. If he didn't promise any, then why do you expect him to deliver ?

2) It is not possible to state something in plain Inglees in too many different ways. When it has been explained (even though obvious already) that vikas and overt hindutva have different faces in the party (e.g. Modi and Yogi), and both are going forward together, why do some people still feel a need to fret and fume ?

3) In the unlikely event that NaMo loses in 2019, he will pack his few belongings and move on after having done what service he could. You'll still be fretting and fuming for the rest of your life. What is the point of that ?

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Post by chetak » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:49 pm

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India is a strange country where PORK eats BEEF, gets slaughtered like a LAMB in @Twitter and moves about like a headless CHICKEN #RamGuha

7:49 AM - 9 Dec 2018
Ramachandra Guha Verified account @Ram_Guha

I have deleted the photo of my lunch in Goa as it was in poor taste. I do wish however to again highlight the absolute hypocrisy of the BJP in the matter of beef, and to reiterate my own belief that humans must have the right to eat, dress, and fall in love as they choose.

1:28 AM - 9 Dec 2018

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Post by KL Dubey » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:57 pm

Regarding the "remaining silent" issue, it seems it is indeed having the usual effect. The "say something now! do something now!" posts have become more and more strident and desperate-sounding.

The fundamental issue is that some are never willing to fall behind a leader without grumbling (to make it known that they are doing a big favor). There is always a fractious/rebellious/cantankerous element that prevents unity.

Those who sit and bi**h relentlessly about NaMo/BJP not doing this or that, should try and think of the decades of effort to build disciplined organizations like RSS and BJP. If everyone in these organizations was like these posters, there is absolutely no hope.

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Post by Sachin » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Well..well. what is the take on the below news? The main stream media have started their spins on the story.
RBI Governor Urjit Patel steps down.

And on the positive side.
Vijay Mallya can be extradited: UK court
Hari Seldon wrote:Why not show some political instincts and go meet your voters-turned-critics halfway? Politics is the art of the possible after all.
Yes. And if he does NOT seem to do be doing some thing, it could also be because he has thought throw the whole thing and have made a plan for himself. We are some how assuming that Modi & A.Shah are idiots, because we do NOT seem to know what they are doing, or things are not going our expected way.
Shooting our own people in the back may be a keyboard warrior's idea of fun, I sure hope it ain't the GoI's.
What if the same very people are making life miserable for me? May be things are getting discussed with all the numerous Sangh Parivar organisations in the background, with none of us "keyboard warriors" knowing about it. But if VHP et.al are trying to score brownie points, and kind of forcing the hands of their own brother-concern, the BJP; then it would only lead to both parties losing.
JohnTitor wrote:Such is the crowd that is best suited to sit under an AC room in a foreign country.
Oh yes sir!! :lol:. So to stay in India what should I do? Get a Trishul and start shouting "Jai Shri Ram" and strut around?
An INC or another government will not hesitate to pass laws that are anti Hindu but somehow Hindus can't pass laws for Hindus, using the very same machinery.
So which is better? With BJP you get a status-quo (with an option to improve things). But with INC you lose out completely. And with VHP, don't know what they plan to acheieve.
KL Dubey wrote:All are part of the same "Sangh parivar". If at one point BJP or RSS or VHP is spearheading a particular issue, it doesn't mean the other two are being pushed aside.
I agree with you. If "Sangh Parivar" (including RSS) had wanted BJP to focus purely on RJB or any pro-Hindu activities they pretty much had four years to share that message. Now did they share such a message? I don't know, others who have more political connects can help. Now if such a message was NOT shared, then that has to be based on the "Sangh Parivar" own internal assessment mechanisms. They may have a better plan on which "Sangh Parivar" organisation focuses on which areas (with BJP perhaps having a different mandate). What is happened in forums like GDF; a lot of people have made a ready-made list on what Modi can do and should not do. Whether he would read the forum and then decide, I don't know. "Sangh Parivar" are not babes in the woods when it comes to politics. They have withstood numerous "secular" governments and still managed to increase their presence.

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Post by vishvak » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:07 pm

Haha vegetarian eating beef. Reminds of certain protests at Mumbai near place called Kalaghoda. The world vegan association came to India - which is an irony in first place - and the president of that council was telling fisherwomen that catching fish is so bad!

Guess that is what comes between bad tribals and then reforming (in certain way only in steps) to be called civilized and then doing the same thing i.e. catching fish!

No one asked why are somalians called pirates on their own shores and who steals their fishes.

Strange to see vegans also tricking Indians, who value vegetarian food with most care and delight.

I was trying to see big(get) picture and it turned thus:

Mob lynching is next thing to be target it seems. As if showdown between mob lynching v/s anarchy of another type, and suddenly another option looks viable and civilized without much purva-paksha and verification. Everyone is dumber and dirtier (dark) than leader and his gang across layers of baaimboodom; and some goras get to marry local bimbos so it's not that bad. The bimbodom can then act rebellious from bimbolands where every individual is more brash and rights-mongering, post defeat of USSR.

Then next generation can do hakthoo on ancestors and international people can marry gora boys - which is what is an upper limit of bimbodom.

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