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Post by Sachin » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:51 am

JohnTitor wrote:Modi should do something openly about the Kerala govt. At this point there is no downside, only upside.
He is going to do diddly-squat. The BJP actually has no plans for Sabari Mala. RSS may put up some local resistance, but that generally will not enable winning a long war. Earlier there was this joke of "Centre asks reports from Kerala Govt." after every skirmish in Kerala. This time even that is not there and commies are getting more belligerent. I can say that GoKL has called out Modi (and BJPs) bluff, big time. Pinarayi Vijayan's "advisors" seems to have made a right judgement on BJP's central government.
Dumal wrote:"Desecrating Hindu traditions" - how does one even justify that claim seriously? Something that was specifically enabled by the SC.
The Supreme Court has not asked GoKL to take up some woman to the temple. All it did was annull a section in a Kerala local act related to temples. What happened yesterday was cheating/treachery where women activists were taken in disguise. A Hindu Ayyappa pilgrim, I guess have some rights NOT to be cheated.

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Post by chetak » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:01 am

Arun Jaitley hints at the Eurofighter pandora’s box during his scathing speech countering Rahul Gandhi’s Rafale allegations
Arun Jaitley hints at the Eurofighter pandora’s box during his scathing speech countering Rahul Gandhi’s Rafale allegations

Jaitley added fuel to the speculation that Congress is attacking the Rafale on behalf of its competitor Eurofighter Typhoon

OPINDIA STAFF
JANUARY 2, 2019

Participating in the debate on Rafale deal in Lok Sabha, finance minister Arun Jaitley presented a strong defence on behalf of the government, and demolished the various allegations that Congress party has been making about the deal. During his speech, Jaitley made a very interesting reference about Eurofighter, which had lost out to Rafale in the bid to supply the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) to India.

Speculating about why Congress party may be trying to scuttle the Rafale deal, Jaitley commented that the speciality about UPA decision making is that “if the aircraft being selected is not the one whose commerce you have dealt with then delay the transaction, make it impossible”. He was hinting that while the tendering process for the purchase of 126 fighter aircraft was going on, Congress party was already negotiating with one of the bidders. But all those backroom deals went haywire when Rafale emerged as the winner after extensive evaluation by experts, which included the Indian Air Force.

FM Arun Jaitley in Lok Sabha: There is a speciality about UPA in decision making that is if the aircraft being selected is not the one whose commerce you have dealt with then delay the transaction, make it impossible

— ANI (@ANI) January 2, 2019

This should be noted that although Rafale was declared as the winner of the bid, the deal never proceeded from that point and the UPA government did not sign any deal with Dassault to purchase the Rafale aircraft, although IAF was in desperate need of fighter jets in view of depleting squadron numbers.

Arun Jaitley informed the Lok Sabha that after Rafale had won the deal, the then defence minister’s colleagues were “pressuring him to not accept Rafale”. He said it was because of this pressure, that A. K. Antony had written in his file that the Dassault Rafale is fine, but the process by which they were considered as lowest bidder should be re-examined. Jaitley said that this was informed by IAF after the Modi government came to power.

During the speech of Jaitley in Lok Sabha, some Congress MPs were seen flying paper planes in the house. When the speaker of the house Sumitra Mahajan scolded the MPs for doing so, Jaitley quipped that these paper planes are being thrown in memory of the Eurofighter deal, making an almost direct accusation that Congress was batting on behalf of the European consortium which makes the Eurofighter Typhoon jet.

#WATCH Moment when Congress MPs threw paper planes towards FM Arun Jaitley while he was speaking during #Rafaledeal debate in Lok Sabha (Source:LS TV) pic.twitter.com/4LuuBIUSPU

— ANI (@ANI) January 2, 2019
(https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1080413441393872897)

Although this is the first time a probable Eurofighter link in the Rafale allegations was raised in the Parliament, it was being rumoured for some time. Earlier, it was alleged that Eurofighter sales director had met senior leaders of two political parties in India to raise allegations of a scam in the Rafale deal. It is also rumoured that Rahul Gandhi had met the company officials when he was in Germany in August 2018. According to allegations, the narrative against the Rafale deal has been built up by experts in the US and Europe, based on inputs from Eurofighter.

The mention of Eurofighter by the Finance Minister in the Lok Sabha indicates a change of gear by the NDA government. So far, the almost daily allegations by Congress party and activists against the Rafale deal was countered by the government sporadically. But in recent weeks, there is a marked increase in aggression against the Congress party. BJP stepped up its attacks on the AgustaWestland deal following the extradition of middleman Christian Michel to India, and Michel’s revelations about ‘Mrs Gandhi’, ‘Italian lady’s son R’ etc to the ED.

On the other hand, the noose is tightening around arms dealer Sanjay Bhandari, a close associate of Robert Vadra. He has been hiding in UK since sensitive defence documents were recovered from his residence during an Income Tax raid. He had also tried to forge a tie-up with Dassault, but the French aviation company refused after his links with Vadra was known to them. Recently, several establishments and persons linked with Vadra and Bhandari were raided by ED, and a look-out notice was issued by the agency against one executive assistant of Robert Vadra.

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Post by Vriksh » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:29 am

crams wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:33 am
JohnTitor wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:22 am


It's not like Abraham's are going to vote for him. But knowing him, he has become ABV-2. While he plays by the rules, everyone else will do what is necessary to get to power and then stay in it.

This is the problem with Hindus, they don't understand dharma, you don't play by rules when your opponent doesn't.
I don't know about putting Kerala govt under president rule, but you are absolutely 100% correct that he plays by the rules while his haters bend every rule or stretch it to the limit to attack him. In fact, the Pappu and assorted thugbandhan attack a straw-man in ModiJi whom they expected to realize their fears of 'fascism', 'communalism', 'breaking institutions', 'dictatorship' etc. When ModiJi didn't live up to their wild fantasies, they sensed a weakness and went for the kill anyway leaving him and his spokesman defending wild allegations. So BJP might as well live up to the image that is painted of them. It can't get any worse. Not to whine but one of ModiJi's glaring failures has been his soft approach to the Congoon ecosystem instead of mercilessly dismantling it.
Will you or I guarantee Modi a victory in 2019 or sn ecosystem to protect him? No, right. He is doing what he can. Ruthlessness from him while surrounded by Gfamiglua retainers is akin to suicide.

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Post by Dumal » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:55 am

Sachin wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:51 am
Dumal wrote:"Desecrating Hindu traditions" - how does one even justify that claim seriously? Something that was specifically enabled by the SC.
The Supreme Court has not asked GoKL to take up some woman to the temple. All it did was annull a section in a Kerala local act related to temples. What happened yesterday was cheating/treachery where women activists were taken in disguise. A Hindu Ayyappa pilgrim, I guess have some rights NOT to be cheated.
Yes, all I am saying is that we find ourselves in this position of not being able to defend our traditions due to our own mindless political support to the local/regional and ideological/secular snakes all this time. Even now, even here posters are saying "we don't care about RJB and BJP/RSS is alien to us and not a representative of us" (just paraphrasing from memory...). And then expecting the same BJP/RSS to dismiss governments, uphold all sorts of rights from "privacy for deities" to "pilgrims right not to be cheated"? If there was any substance behind these "rights" would someone have gone to the court with it last year? No, we would be better placed feeding the snakes for the next 50 years by when we won't have any tradition to remember!

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Post by darshhan » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:12 am

JohnTitor wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:22 am
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What stops
@narendramodi
sarkar from putting Kerala under Prez rule when Kerala state govt has been wilfully working towards desecrating Hindu traditions?
Modi should do something openly about the Kerala govt. At this point there is no downside, only upside.

It's not like Abraham's are going to vote for him. But knowing him, he has become ABV-2. While he plays by the rules, everyone else will do what is necessary to get to power and then stay in it.

This is the problem with Hindus, they don't understand dharma, you don't play by rules when your opponent doesn't.
By imposing president's rule, cpm will gain martyrdom. This is how politics works. Instead let them become more unpopular every extra day they remain in power in kerala.

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Post by Aditya_V » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:04 pm

Cattle traders killed around 80 people a year and 5 of them have dies in the last 5 years. a Kill ratio of 400 is to 5. yet it is Hindus who get the bad press on Gaurakshaka, such is power of the forces aligned against us. Everyone wants Modi to make sucide charge and vanish forever rather than build up our strength and then move. The other side have thier long term strategies in place while we want all our problems to be solved by others in 1 day.

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Post by chetak » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:39 pm

Only video you need to watch on Rafale Deal

https://twitter.com/iAnkurSingh/status/ ... 8844804096

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Post by crams » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:17 pm

Guys, I am frustrated watching BJP guys, including PM ModiJi I might, not sounding convincing on Sabrimala Vs Triple Talaq. Its now become a fashion among low-IQ libtrads to compare the 2 and say, see BJP hypocrisy, BJP communnalism because TTT is about Muslims while Sabrimala is about Hindus, so in the latter case they go with faith while in the former, they trash the faith.

The simple answer must be that TTT is about the basic human rights of a woman. Sabrimala is not about human rights. Sure, there may be notions of gender equality in both cases, but thats not the issue. Its human rights Vs tradition, and as long as traditions don't impinge on human rights, no problem supporting faith. BJP seems unable to articulate this coherently.

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Post by SSundar » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:36 pm

crams wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:17 pm
The simple answer must be that TTT is about the basic human rights of a woman.
A MUCH simpler way to say it is "Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist and Jain women are entitled to a dignified married life and divorce in India. They also have an equal say in the number of children they would like to bear. Why do you want to deny it to Muslim women?"

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Post by SSundar » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:47 pm

darshhan wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:12 am
By imposing president's rule, cpm will gain martyrdom. This is how politics works. Instead let them become more unpopular every extra day they remain in power in kerala.
Right on the money.

Sabarimala Pilgrimage, at best, is important to the Hindus of Kerala & TN (perhaps also AP/TG, Karnataka) while there are very few North Indians who take that pilgrimage in all its rigor. I know some people of TN origin living even in the US who take that pilgrimage.

KL and TN are the states that hate Modi the most, no matter what he does or does not.

Letting the CPM display all their arrogance to the voters of Kerala uninterrupted is the best course of action available to Modi. In the end, he either gets a Hindu polarization in KL resulting in a few parliament seats in 2019 (Net gain) or status quo is maintained (KL votes Congi or CPM). He has nothing to lose.

If he takes action now, CPM will sweep RoL/RoP votes in KL and get almost all parliament seats.

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Post by Raj Malhotra » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:44 am

Chandragupta wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:33 am
Vikas wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:43 am
Raj Malhotra wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:12 am
Congress is trying to create a vote bank of

Muslims + Christians + Brahmins + dissatisfied Middle class, traders, UC + fragments of Dalits, STs. Some OBCs through alliances.

In principle this is a formidable vote bank as Congress is poaching on BJP vote bank while retaining its own Minority votes intact and getting OBCs through alliances.

Problem for BJP is not Modi Vs Rahul but Modi vs Anti Modi.
You have added everyone in the mix ? Who is then left to vote for BJP ?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Exactly what came to my mind when I read his post.
Yes. That's correct. Congress is keeping its vote bank intact while breaking down BJP vote bank into fragments which it can pick up.

Modi wanted to build a vote bank with across the board denominator of "common Indian" by sacrificing BJP vote bank. He failed and is now stranded between two boats. 2002 warning & 2004 loss.

He can turn around elections in 3 months but would he go for Hindutva or Appeasement, remains to be seen. He has got 2018 warning, let's see 2019!

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Post by chetak » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:43 pm

One of the ladies wants have a Darshan at #Sabarimala sannidhanam!

A gentleman who accompanied her says we have recorded the video, enough, hurry up!

So the ultimate mission is not to have a Darshan, nor Bhakti, but to hurt Ayyappa sentiments!



https://twitter.com/Ethirajans/status/1 ... 0507368450

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Post by Supratik » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:45 pm

Ajay Maken, Delhi Cong chief has resigned amidst talk of AAP-Cong alliance in Del, Punj, Har. I see that the Cong is vacating more space even in areas where it has a relatively strong base.

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Post by Vikas » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:48 pm

BJP's traditional vote bank alone can not give 272+ to NM so he has to build new vote banks and coalitions. Of course that does not mean sacrificing the existing voters but He will have to try different ways and means to get these Non-BJP voters into the tent. Again it is a myth that BJP's traditional voters have deserted the party. Voting percentage surely does not indicate that. It is the floating voters which shifted in favor of congress.
Except for 4-5 states, Congress vote bank has shrunk to low 20's and is expected to go further down as the dimwit exposes himself to dying Mughal Durbar syndrome.

I don't think NM is going to go for Hindutva or Appeasement but will stick to 'Vikas' and hitting congress.

This fear of Modi losing the 2019 elections and R becoming PM is a good thing. It jolts fence sitters out of the slumber as well gives a kick on the back of the BJP leadership who may have become complacent. This has also helped unmask these fake Indic-supporters.
The first stone has been casted by Naseerudin Shah but the mistake he made was that he opened the front by attacking Virat Kohli which in my books is big No-No when Indian team is winning. he instantly lost his credibility and being a Muslim, He should have kept his mouth shut and let someone else blow the war conch shell.
Next step on the ladder of escalation would be something similar to 'Award Wapasi' movement by Fiberals while congress tries to create a fake narrative about Rafael. One thing that resident Dhoti-shiverers don't count is that Sh. Modi hasn't yet started his Vijay Yatra and he is yet to get into election mode. He has this knack of turning elections upside down in last few weeks of campaigning.
Meanwhile down under, KL is boiling and if commies are unable to handle the situation, we may again see Hindu alliance across the board and across the nation once again in favor of BJP.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:21 pm

Naseeruddin Shah belongs to the Ashraf class which has had a cosy life in the C-system. Did not have to move to Pak inspite of asking for it. Lots of opportunities backed by the C-system. Sher-o-Shayris. Urdu. Maintaining their old feudal lifestyle. Thekedars for the rest of the Muslims who may be struggling. One or more Hindu wives. The leftism is a facade but they are deeply worried that in a changed India the gravy train will end. Hence, they are desperate that the old order comes back.

If BJP aligns with NCP and SS is forced to go with Cong in MH that will be interesting. Imagine Cong as a junior partner of SS. Who would have thunk?

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Post by Supratik » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:05 pm

I think the deal with AAP if it happens is that Rahul will back Kejri as CM of Delhi while Kejri will back Rahul as PM. The major roadblock will be Amrinder in Pun and Hooda in HY.

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Post by shravanp » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:44 pm

Supratik wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:05 pm
I think the deal with AAP if it happens is that Rahul will back Kejri as CM of Delhi while Kejri will back Rahul as PM. The major roadblock will be Amrinder in Pun and Hooda in HY.
I hope that happens. Congoons and AAPtards Unite!!

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Post by SSundar » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:08 am

It really is so disappointing to see so many people actually believe in a Rafale "scam". When you go on FB or WA, you see a disproportionate number of RoL and RoP names spreading hate against Modi for this "scam". Must grudgingly admit that Goebbels is winning the day.

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Post by Aditya_V » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:35 am

SSundar wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:08 am
It really is so disappointing to see so many people actually believe in a Rafale "scam". When you go on FB or WA, you see a disproportionate number of RoL and RoP names spreading hate against Modi for this "scam". Must grudgingly admit that Goebbels is winning the day.
These are the Hardcore supporters who belive the world is flat, they form 15% of the population. We need these guys to be provacative. See how DMK controlled Media has put a lid on Seeman and Director Aamir over the last few months. We need them and communists in TN to shut down all factories and threaten they are going to make TN in Kerala before General elections.

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Post by Supratik » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:22 pm

I feel that Amit Shah is bargaining to hard with allies or potential allies and not picking up new allies e.g. in JH. While the opposition is going into local and national alliances. Sometimes it is necessary to take a back seat in the greater interest of winning elections instead of maximizing your parties strength.

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Post by Vikas » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:49 pm

Supratik wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:05 pm
I think the deal with AAP if it happens is that Rahul will back Kejri as CM of Delhi while Kejri will back Rahul as PM. The major roadblock will be Amrinder in Pun and Hooda in HY.
Kejriwal can not support congress explicitly. His whole election plank was about fighting congress even though AAP is a Basterized child of Congress.
AAP will be a definate threat to Hooda if it does even half decent in HR for they are also seeking the same voters whom congress depends upon.
Ground reports are that Khattar is providing a decent admin with lesser corruption but caste equations may hamper in him returning for the 2nd term.
Even if BJP wins HR and I hope they do, we will see a new CM.

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Post by Supratik » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:52 pm

Two opinion polls are showing DMK-Cong sweeping TN and Stalin becoming CM. The other parties are fragmented. They need to come together. Perhaps a AIADMK-smaller DMK-BJP-Rajni alliance will be formidable.

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Post by crams » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:38 am

Guys, sorry to post this puke, but this is one of the tons I have come across recently talking about Pappu's so called 'humility' compared with Modiji's braggadocio:

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/rahu ... 190105.htm

I mean a silver spoon fed good for nothing dynast put in a pedestal by his slaves and then calling him 'humble' makes some irony. What explains this? Is it delusion?

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Post by SSundar » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:56 am

crams wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:38 am
Guys, sorry to post this puke, but this is one of the tons I have come across recently talking about Pappu's so called 'humility' compared with Modiji's braggadocio:
Eeeewww! Rediff Link!! Friends don't let friends read Rediff.

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