The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Post by JohnTitor » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:21 am

Hahaha Cambridge Analytica has "infiltrated" the forum .. wow that is just amazing. So ahead of the curve you guys are, you've fallen off the other side. CA doesn't "infiltrate" anything, people from the company don't trawl through posts and make counter comments, jeez. Keep up the ahead of the curve thinking and you can be admitted to a mental institution.

Look, not everything is a conspiracy, people vote the way they so for personal selfish reasons.

At the same time this isn't and shouldn't turn into an echo chamber either. Otherwise you will be blind to all that is happening around you, just like in 2004 - when BRF found it surprising that BJP didn't come to power. While anyone listening to the ground could tell vajpayee wasn't being felt by the masses. That's because they o my wanted people who said and felt the same thing on the forum... So much for brf being ahead of the curve.

It's not about what you or I think, it's what the man on the street thinks.

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Post by santosh » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:30 am

Primus wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:57 pm
The Dynasty can only be defeated if Modi comes back to power with a full majority for at least one more term. So if it takes opening the coffers for the needy and the greedy, so be it.
When dynasty had only KA and NE, they survived 5 years. Now they have KA, MP and RJ. They are not going anywhere until 2024. Tukde Tukde gang has smelt blood and will pump money for tukde tukde. Some on SM are of opinion that even Khangress was shocked at the result. No one expected MP to slide away given the massive presence of Sangh parivar. But looks like 5* netas got complacent and were happy to shout at top of their voices on media and SM and lost touch on the ground. 15 years of power will do that to you. Maybe their arrogance led to their downfall.

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Post by santosh » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:38 am

chinmayanand wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:26 pm
It seems Modi has not fulfilled any promise from 2014 manifesto and poll promises.
Damad ji is still having good time.
Black money is still abroad.
Ganga is still not clean.
On corruption front, he even let go Raja in 2G scam.
UCC, RJB and Article 370 still a puzzle.
Apart from Jet Li kungfu stats , economy is in doldrums..
After right amount of donations to the party and the party president, Nirav, Mallya and Mehul all having gala good time.
Chaukidar found sleeping on duty.
After Nirav Modi left town and reached US, Modi passed a bill making foreign donations to political parties beyond enquiry.
And Yes , Mr. Modi is honest.

I do not see any reason to vote Modi in . The man is a disaster for middle class and complete corporate agent.
srikumar wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:58 pm
'chinmay' anand ji, aap ka post ka ham anand le rahain....

It is posters like you that make me laugh. Is your list in the order of importance? I'll assume it is. For the top 3 items, you expect a better results from Congress? Or your favorite neta Shri Nota (NOTA). How about item # 5. UCC/RJB from Congress? Modi ko nahi tho aap bataaye kisko vote dena hai....

Genuine question: what achievements of Congress govt. from 2009-2014 are you proud of?
What chinmayanand says is really the bane of Indian politics. BJP has to be whiter than milk and has to fulfill all my expectations and all my dog's expectations. Otherwise I am going to rush and vote for khangress. Doesn't matter if I lose my religion, culture, my country and my shirt in the process.

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Post by merlin » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:04 am

Indrad wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:20 pm
looks like Cambridge Analytics has infiltrated this forum as well
im observing recent tweets from rahul gandhi has CA written all over it, besides 100s of unrest unleashed one after another, social media campaign of congress and librandus masquerading as RW on SM and causing NOTA has CA footprints all over

https://twitter.com/RahulGandhi/status/ ... 5938300928
LOL. Turning this forum into a rah-rah BJP echo chamber ala BRF? CA indeed. This is a small fry forum, they will target Whatsapp first, Facebook next and Twitter last.

The three states lost were a wakeup call for the BJP. If it continues like before, as its apologists want it to, then 2019 is going to be tough. Congis will try everything to win 2019 or atleast prevent Modi from coming back, what is the BJP doing?

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Post by Chandragupta » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:22 am

It seems to be that people here on this forum are more disconnected from ground reality than anybody else. BJP had a tough time in GJ and even KA. Now losing 3 states (even if we have a good fight to the Congis) is a real threat for 2019. Some here are missing the realities of Indian voters, however depressing they may be.

As for CA, they have completely routed BJP on social media these days and BJP IT Cell idiots have no answer. This is what happens when they don't listen to their core supporters. People who defended BJP day in day out on SM were called trolls by no less than Sushma Swaraj. BJP IT Cell Head has his head up his ass. The leftist ecosystem has hounded RW Twitter handles off of Social Media & nobody in BJP stood up for Freedom of Speech. Compare this with when JNU scum chant 'Bharat tere tukde honhe Inshallah Inshallah' and Congis with their entire ecosystem defend this indefensible nonsense with all their heft.

The issue with BJP is that they think playing nice will endear them in the eyes of the Lutyen bastards. They can try doing that for a 1000 years while Lutyens' ecosystem will finish them off with utmost brutality.

The Congis were outgunned & outclassed on SM till 2016. But they learnt & beat the F out of BJP now. Look at their arsenal of Bollygandus, Leftist comics (who are blatantly anti Hindu & anti national) but they crack jokes on BJP all day long and get paid for it, not to say the presstitute dalals. BJP did not do one single thing to break this ecosystem. They even put Prakash Javdekar as I&B Ministry and Modi personally saw to it that Smriti Irani could not shut down the fake news factory. Why?

Even Bhagwan Krishna says when it is dharm vs adharma, play dirty. Good boys don't win fight. The way BJP keeps shooting themselves in the foot, its painful to watch as a lifelong Hindutva voter.

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Post by Aditya_V » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:47 am

On SM, it is obvious
1) The heart of INC ecosystem is based out of India and its a tool to keep India Backward,

2) This ecosystem has an ability to keep dedicated teams whose only job is to develop memes and get paid lavishly.

Its tough to fight such a system and govern the country at the same time. 2019 looks tough, rather just blaming Modi, we need to think of ways this Jaggernaut can be checkmated especially with non transparent funding available at the local level.

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Post by Mort Walker » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:52 am

The INC and mahachorbandhan are coming May 2019. Expect India to be set back by at least 10-20 years. The country will remain forever backward.

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Post by Mort Walker » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:57 am

Aditya_V wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:47 am
On SM, it is obvious
1) The heart of INC ecosystem is based out of India and its a tool to keep India Backward,

2) This ecosystem has an ability to keep dedicated teams whose only job is to develop memes and get paid lavishly.

Its tough to fight such a system and govern the country at the same time. 2019 looks tough, rather just blaming Modi, we need to think of ways this Jaggernaut can be checkmated especially with non transparent funding available at the local level.
Change has to come from within people. As long as there are freebies to those who add no value to the economy, there will be no progress. I see India as the next Venezuela in the next 20 years. Previous INC leadership had some elements of nationalism, but the current creatures are loot masters.

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Post by Vikas » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:06 am

chinmayanand wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:26 pm
It seems Modi has not fulfilled any promise from 2014 manifesto and poll promises.

Damad ji is still having good time.
Black money is still abroad.
Ganga is still not clean.
On corruption front, he even let go Raja in 2G scam.
UCC, RJB and Article 370 still a puzzle.
Apart from Jet Li kungfu stats , economy is in doldrums..
After right amount of donations to the party and the party president, Nirav, Mallya and Mehul all having gala good time.
Chaukidar found sleeping on duty.
After Nirav Modi left town and reached US, Modi passed a bill making foreign donations to political parties beyond enquiry.
And Yes , Mr. Modi is honest.

I do not see any reason to vote Modi in . The man is a disaster for middle class and complete corporate agent.
chinmayanand, These are great points an you wont see many posters responding to them except for mocking you.
Problem is that most o fthe points you have mentioned can not be completely fulfilled in 5 years but if you check the status of each one of them, NM Govt has taken some steps to fulfil those promises.

> Work on Ganga Cleaning is going on. I hope you are aware of the efforts GoI is making.
> Raja was released by Courts (same for UCC and RJB and 370). Cant fight courts or lack of numbers in RS.
> Economy is doing pretty well. What is this about economy in doldrums ?
> We have weak execution of laws and implementation. NM has to figh the system too where selfish interests are deeply entrenched. Heck even Ex-Generals found it convinent to bad mouth him while keeping mouth shut earlier.

Lastly just because you don't see big bang events of Mallaya handcuffed and being escorted to jail doesn't mean that nothing is happening in the background. Things take time to fructify.
BTW Nowhere it was claimed in the manifesto that by 2019, Ganga will be clean like Seine river and UCC would have been implemented and Art-370 trashed. The promised to move in a direction that could facilitate these action items.

And YES, Modi Ji is more honest than any other PM, India has seen including LBS and ABV. By MMS standards, He is the most rare element.

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Post by JohnTitor » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:11 am

This forum brings out the perfect reason as to why BJP has been losing ground, literally.

Most here are well off or NRIs, both of whom wouldn't know what the voter is thinking because all of their opinion comes from GDP numbers and feel good tweets from BJP. They live in far away lands or AC rooms that are well insulated that they can't hear the people who ultimately decide.

I will repeat again, perception is very very important. Ask yourselves why BJP has a perception that doesn't match reality. Ask yourselves why you think BJP has done amazingly well but man on street still votes for scamgress. The answers will tell you more about yourself than about the results itself.

Take this tweet for example:
https://twitter.com/ShankhNaad/status/1 ... 67809?s=20

Now I don't know whether the temples were on encroached land, but will BJP have the guts to do the same to places of worship of other faiths? Absolutely not. What pisses people off is the hypocrisy, either apply the same rules to all, or don't bother.

This selective application of rules for Hindus is something even BJP does. Then they wonder why Hindus feel betrayed. I'm not saying whether they should or shouldn't remove structures from encroached land, but doing so selectively will get them no votes.

There are many many such instances practiced by BJP, especially under MH CM David Fernandes, but people here refuse to see it and then complain when Hindus reject BJP.

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Post by vishvak » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:42 am

India is undergoing transformation from a poor hungry underdeveloped famine prone corrupt nation left by britshit to become a better developed less hungry no famine less corrupt country. We are going thru enormous change
Says a lot about enormity of loot and plunder of colonial times that took a while even for country like India to turn around; and that is where it hurts BIF that have been hating and deceiving for few thousands of years and about everything. Barbarism overcome and ignored by heathens pegeins kooooooooooffr itself must be huge burnol moment.

We have made a system that rewards strategic voting against BJP everywhere. A democracy turned into voting as mob, in line this time and call mahaGTBD, for making another slave country that would feed some phoren warmongrels. Just another country; like pakis who made another religious country that feeds on hate against Hindoostan.

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Post by Triank » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:03 am

the chinese gandhi pup has now roared - "we'll not let Modi ji sleep till he waives off the loans of all farmers across India!"

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Post by Triank » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:33 am

Chandragupta wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:22 am
It seems to be that people here on this forum are more disconnected from ground reality than anybody else. BJP had a tough time in GJ and even KA. Now losing 3 states (even if we have a good fight to the Congis) is a real threat for 2019. Some here are missing the realities of Indian voters, however depressing they may be.

As for CA, they have completely routed BJP on social media these days and BJP IT Cell idiots have no answer. This is what happens when they don't listen to their core supporters. People who defended BJP day in day out on SM were called trolls by no less than Sushma Swaraj. BJP IT Cell Head has his head up his ass. The leftist ecosystem has hounded RW Twitter handles off of Social Media & nobody in BJP stood up for Freedom of Speech. Compare this with when JNU scum chant 'Bharat tere tukde honhe Inshallah Inshallah' and Congis with their entire ecosystem defend this indefensible nonsense with all their heft.

The issue with BJP is that they think playing nice will endear them in the eyes of the Lutyen bastards. They can try doing that for a 1000 years while Lutyens' ecosystem will finish them off with utmost brutality.

The Congis were outgunned & outclassed on SM till 2016. But they learnt & beat the F out of BJP now. Look at their arsenal of Bollygandus, Leftist comics (who are blatantly anti Hindu & anti national) but they crack jokes on BJP all day long and get paid for it, not to say the presstitute dalals. BJP did not do one single thing to break this ecosystem. They even put Prakash Javdekar as I&B Ministry and Modi personally saw to it that Smriti Irani could not shut down the fake news factory. Why?

Even Bhagwan Krishna says when it is dharm vs adharma, play dirty. Good boys don't win fight. The way BJP keeps shooting themselves in the foot, its painful to watch as a lifelong Hindutva voter.
and i heard raje & mamaji were cheering for the new CM of their resp. states & hugging them, congratulating them for their wins! now congoons are repaying by constituting a 'jan aayog' to investigate scams under shivraj's rule.

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Post by Sachin » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:38 am

chinmayanand wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:26 pm
I do not see any reason to vote Modi in . The man is a disaster for middle class and complete corporate agent.
Great! So can you also advice us on whom we should vote for? Especially some one who is NOT a disaster for middle class and complete corporate agent. I have a few such people in CPI(M) & CPI party offices who claim they are NOT corporate agents, but you see they are not really popular in India.
merlin wrote:Congis will try everything to win 2019 or atleast prevent Modi from coming back, what is the BJP doing?
We know that BJP is facing setbacks, and are worried. But how do we expect BJP to share their plans with folks in this forum (or else where)? I don't know if any of the forum members who are pro-BJP here are active full time workers for that party (or any of their sister orgs like RSS). And so don't think there are chances of getting any "insider information" here.

And to be frank; I also see that there were lots of people who became BJP & Modi fans after seeing their massive victory in 2016. Their reason of liking BJP & Modi was they were the "big bad boys" now in town. And now when the battle situations are changing, and they don't see BJP winning they are on the process of changing their opinion.
Chandragupta wrote:This is what happens when they don't listen to their core supporters.
And how have the core supporters tried to reach out to the BJP leadership? Also I find it a bit surprising that BJP (even though in existence for donkey's years) have still not managed to get the updates from the so called "core voters". Then how did it even reach the present level? Because without any internal feedback mechanism the party would not have survived so long. Or you are you suggesting that after M/s A.Shah & Na.Mo took over the feedback mechanism was dismantled?

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Post by Dumal » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:17 am

Triank wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:03 am
the chinese gandhi pup has now roared - "we'll not let Modi ji sleep till he waives off the loans of all farmers across India!"
Have to admit, the Con's offensive moves are on the mark! Whether it is blowing up non-issues like Rafale or using these farm-loan waivers or hot-buttons like "lynchings" to magnify differences and splitting the support base, their execution is very effective. A lot of credit must go to their internal and external consultants - remember pappu's long vacations every few months - and the investments they have put in.

For any chance of prevailing against such an offensive - and it will only get worse over the coming months - one would hope AS has done enough homework and has some aces up his sleeve.

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Post by Vikas » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:18 am

BJP did not form govt because of core supporters only. The scales were tilted because of fence sitters and supporters from other parties so can we stop this BS about Core supporters.
A core supporter who gets dischanted in 4.5 years despite all the progress country has made does not deserve to be called a core supporter. He/She seems to be another blackmailer who threatens to shoot himself by voting for Congress if his/her demands are not met which by the way, no one knows.
Somehow it is season to bad mouth BJP so why not join the gang. Who does not mind dishing out free advice.
As far SuSw, She deserves respect for the battles she has fought for BJP but Noooo, The amount of bile and scorn she got for the passport fiasco should be legendary for all 'Core' supporters.

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Post by hanumadu » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:43 am

Triank wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:03 am
the chinese gandhi pup has now roared - "we'll not let Modi ji sleep till he waives off the loans of all farmers across India!"
Good luck middle class. You were cribbing for a 10,000/year tax break. Now watch your and your kids' future flushed down the toilet. Enjoy.

Increased inflation, increased EMIs, poor infrastructure, poor higher education, no jobs, love jihad...

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Post by KL Dubey » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:17 am

JohnTitor wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:11 am
This forum brings out the perfect reason as to why BJP has been losing ground, literally.

Most here are well off or NRIs, both of whom wouldn't know what the voter is thinking because all of their opinion comes from GDP numbers and feel good tweets from BJP. They live in far away lands or AC rooms that are well insulated that they can't hear the people who ultimately decide.

I will repeat again, perception is very very important. Ask yourselves why BJP has a perception that doesn't match reality. Ask yourselves why you think BJP has done amazingly well but man on street still votes for scamgress. The answers will tell you more about yourself than about the results itself.

Take this tweet for example:
https://twitter.com/ShankhNaad/status/1 ... 67809?s=20

Now I don't know whether the temples were on encroached land, but will BJP have the guts to do the same to places of worship of other faiths? Absolutely not. What pisses people off is the hypocrisy, either apply the same rules to all, or don't bother.

This selective application of rules for Hindus is something even BJP does. Then they wonder why Hindus feel betrayed. I'm not saying whether they should or shouldn't remove structures from encroached land, but doing so selectively will get them no votes.

There are many many such instances practiced by BJP, especially under MH CM David Fernandes, but people here refuse to see it and then complain when Hindus reject BJP.
I think your post is rather funny.

Let me ask you this: suppose I and all other posters on BGR agree with you and start posting about how BJP is perceived to have betrayed Hindoos, middle classes, etc etc. What do you think that will achieve, beyond having a thread that has gone from being generally NaMo-phile to NaMo-phobe.

I think that your entire tirade is nothing more than your desire to vent all your frustrations (whether legitimate or not) in an online forum and to make everyone else reading this forum "see the light".

Now assume I am stupid and deluded. Please tell me why I should behave just like you and how that will help. I'm talking about practical, actionable things for the next 3-4 months leading into LS election 2019, not just abstract and non-actionable things like "it will help you see how BJP has deluded Hindus".

As for myself, some simple things I can say here - Every time I am in India (like right now in gawd's own kandry) I tell everyone that I have any significant interaction with, to vote for Modi along with the main reasons why. I don't b!atch about being let down and blah blah. I also send in a regular donation. Just doing my bit.

I hope you have the good sense to do the same, or are doing better and bigger things to help make NDA-III a reality (no, posting your criticisms here doesn't count). It would be pretty damn stupid if you b!atch about BJP, NaMo, Shah et al to one and all......and then finally tell them to yeah, still vote for Modi.

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Post by rhytha » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:30 am

krisna wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:13 am
I will elaborate more now which I thought people will understand from my post.
I maintain Indians are not corrupt basically . In India the amount of lawlessness slow judiciary, rich and famous escape from crimes. woefully inadequate govt services etc makes a person become corrupt which is what I meant. Despite these shortcomings, we have one of the lowest crime rate in all fields wrt population. we have low police/lawyer/banker/doctor/... you name it compared to our population. It is amazing that a country of over 1 billion runs on a pathetic short supply of govt services. It is almost certain that there will be a civil war amongst its citizens due to its weakness inherent in the above set up. But miraculously India is surviving and kicking all odds. Probabaly the only country in the world having democracy fucntioning and kicking well. Many developing independent countries post WW2 have had tumultous times with military coups civil wars etc etc.

As an test or experiment check all countries with low ratio of professionals/police/lawyers etc etc to population and see their crime rates. Many have civil wars or govt control their areas inefficiently. surpriisngly also check wrt relgions-- No kidding here also with comparable sizes of population ratio.

If the same occurs in western countries ex usa it will be doldrums as they have high crime rates despite well oiled law and order with judiciary.

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ex- India has over 66% as undertrials in prisons due to judiciary failure-- unthinkable in western countries. In usa there are convicted persons charged with crime in prison. Still usa has huge prisoner population upto 25% of the world. and nearly 50% of female prisoners. If Indian juidicary becomes efficient and undertrials comes down like in usa- imagine the effect.


All countries in the world have issues with non reporting of crimes including usa. So one cannot single out India alone on this.

It is foolish of some posters here to think Indians are corrupt and magically become less corrupt due to better policing in western countries.(No doubt important but not enough overall)

Heck even in non western countries Indians are better as in some african countries and islands in pacific Indian Atlantic oceans etc. These countries have law and order comparable to India or slightly better or worse depending on the country involved.



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Unfortunately with India becoming poor due to britshits etc. we have to fend for ourselves with huge population with hungry mouths to feed. Our earlier govts used the commanding heights of govt powers to help people. No proper use of local solutions to solve some key problems of food security infrastructure law and order and security. we went from bad to worse with our gdp dropping from <4% to <3 in 1980s. Later in 1990s economic reforms started which helped us rise in spectacular way(relative to anemic times for 4o years).


Because of lopsided priorities and inefficient governance, corruption took main seat to ensure survival of families. Huge ques in fair price shops, kerosenes, water, elctricity--- you name them. I as a child/youth have been thru all of them with no electricity, no water, wake up at midnight for 1 hour of water,use of tankers etc etc. poor quality of grains (with insects inside), adulterated kerosene at fair price shops and many more.

Hence to ensure adequate food security , a common Indian is forced to become corrupt otherwise things will not move. Given this state for a couple of generations-- corruption becomes a national malady. Even tom dick and henry will shout Indians are corrupt and are born corrupt.

Hope posters look thru the whole issue.
You are comparing corruption and criminalisation.

Indian society is not violent prone and neither is it criminalized, and thats not we are discussing here, harming others for self interest. India being a casteist/community based society had low crimes before independence and state machinery was established.We are broadly discussing about dishonesty, corruption, not following law, taking short term pain for long run etc. One of the manifestation of this is voter expectation which wants instant gratification than long term gain for overall society and country.

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Post by hanumadu » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:45 am

JohnTitor wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:11 am
This forum brings out the perfect reason as to why BJP has been losing ground, literally.

Most here are well off or NRIs, both of whom wouldn't know what the voter is thinking because all of their opinion comes from GDP numbers and feel good tweets from BJP. They live in far away lands or AC rooms that are well insulated that they can't hear the people who ultimately decide.

I will repeat again, perception is very very important. Ask yourselves why BJP has a perception that doesn't match reality. Ask yourselves why you think BJP has done amazingly well but man on street still votes for scamgress. The answers will tell you more about yourself than about the results itself.

Take this tweet for example:
https://twitter.com/ShankhNaad/status/1 ... 67809?s=20

Now I don't know whether the temples were on encroached land, but will BJP have the guts to do the same to places of worship of other faiths? Absolutely not. What pisses people off is the hypocrisy, either apply the same rules to all, or don't bother.

This selective application of rules for Hindus is something even BJP does. Then they wonder why Hindus feel betrayed. I'm not saying whether they should or shouldn't remove structures from encroached land, but doing so selectively will get them no votes.

There are many many such instances practiced by BJP, especially under MH CM David Fernandes, but people here refuse to see it and then complain when Hindus reject BJP.
Assume that BJP govts are partial to muslims and have not removed any mosques. Are they worse than congress? Is there any benefit that Hindus under BJP get that is more than congress? Is that not reason enough to vote BJP?

Let's say BJP is not doing anything for Hindus right now. But they are giving better development than congress. How will that affect Hindus in the future? Will Hindus be in a better position in the future (with or without BJP) to do the things you want or will they be worse off?

Let us take the two trajectories of India under Namo govt and a congress govt in say 2040.

Namo/BJP Govt:
1. Economy at 25 trillion
2. Technologically self sufficient including all critical technologies like chip manufacturing and jet engines
3. No longer subject to black mail on technology embargoes and technology denials
4. Working and effective nuclear triad
5. India as a manufacturing hub. People moved from subsistence agriculture to industry
6. India not dependent on imported oil
7. Much lesser corruption
8. Nation wide NRC
9. Bangladeshis sent back

Congress Govt:
None of the above listed points
India still in the grip of rich and powerful countries

Now imagine a scenario where the peacefuls are rioting and wreaking havoc in some city in India.
A govt whether BJP or not in the first scenario will be able to take the strictest action without fear of international repercussions. India's actions will be solely determined by its national interests.

I will leave the situation under the second trajectory to your imagination.

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Post by shravanp » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:27 pm

I think despite independence, India still does not have freedom to elect its own mandate. In this case, BJP. Foreign powers will do whatever they can, to bring in client/pliant government (INC) back power, and Congress more than willing to help them in return. India is a delicate country, compared to the rest of the world. Our population is not homogenous. The caste, religion diversity in India are too complex to keep everybody in good humor, and too way (way too easy) for foreign powers to cause disunity. Don't know how far BJP will win with sole agenda of nationalism. Enemies are relentless in falsehood and rumor mongering. Worse, our middle-class, U/Cs who expect BJP to be nothing less than 100% performing, failing to which they threaten to vote in Khangress.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:04 pm

It seems there will be a full budget in Feb, 2019. Also there is likely to be a BJP meet in Jan, 2019 on Ram mandir ordinance. Hope they go for it.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by JohnTitor » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:05 pm

KL Dubey wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:17 am
I think your post is rather funny.

Let me ask you this: suppose I and all other posters on BGR agree with you and start posting about how BJP is perceived to have betrayed Hindoos, middle classes, etc etc. What do you think that will achieve, beyond having a thread that has gone from being generally NaMo-phile to NaMo-phobe.

I think that your entire tirade is nothing more than your desire to vent all your frustrations (whether legitimate or not) in an online forum and to make everyone else reading this forum "see the light".
I’m not sure whether you are trolling or you genuinely don’t understand my point.

Simply put, my point is that the voter does not think like people on this forum and some of things I have stated are things raised by people during my interactions with them. I am not justifying whether the points raised by them are legitimate or not, there’s no point having that discussion here because I am not trying to convince anyone here.

So yes, I want people here to “see the light” (your words, not mine) in the sense, understand the ground speak.
As for myself, some simple things I can say here - Every time I am in India (like right now in gawd's own kandry) I tell everyone that I have any significant interaction with, to vote for Modi along with the main reasons why. I don't b!atch about being let down and blah blah. I also send in a regular donation. Just doing my bit.

I hope you have the good sense to do the same, or are doing better and bigger things to help make NDA-III a reality (no, posting your criticisms here doesn't count). It would be pretty damn stupid if you b!atch about BJP, NaMo, Shah et al to one and all......and then finally tell them to yeah, still vote for Modi.
My point exactly, you don’t live in India and therefore are not able to understand what people are thinking. Talking to your relatives and sending a donation while better than nothing isn’t enough to get a sense of things nor make a major difference. You can pat yourself on the back and claim that I am b!tching, but guess what, I have a right to do so because I have to deal with what people vote for.

My family and that of my wife have voted for bjp long before it was even called bjp. You don’t need to preach to the choir. I work closely with the rss and deal with the state party .. moreover my loyalty lies with Hinduism before it does to the country or party. One of the reasons for returning to India was this. For the record, I was born and brought up outside India and can return to my country of birth anytime I wish.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:08 pm

shravanp wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:27 pm
I think despite independence, India still does not have freedom to elect its own mandate. In this case, BJP. Foreign powers will do whatever they can, to bring in client/pliant government (INC) back power, and Congress more than willing to help them in return. India is a delicate country, compared to the rest of the world. Our population is not homogenous. The caste, religion diversity in India are too complex to keep everybody in good humor, and too way (way too easy) for foreign powers to cause disunity. Don't know how far BJP will win with sole agenda of nationalism. Enemies are relentless in falsehood and rumor mongering. Worse, our middle-class, U/Cs who expect BJP to be nothing less than 100% performing, failing to which they threaten to vote in Khangress.
This is exactly why the better off middle class and salaried people should make some sacrifices. What sacrifice can you ask from people who have nothing to sacrifice or who are barely subsisting?

We are not free to take care of our own security without external influence. During NDA1, India banned some western doctors working as missionaries in tribal areas but in reality they were fomenting naxalism. There was an international outcry and they had to rescind the order. People who say christians are getting a free run, muslims are getting a free run should understand this. The path to India's emancipation lies in economic and technological independence. Without it any amount of Hindutva is unsustainable. People are too emotional or impatient to understand this. The long term damage they are causing to Hindus and India for short term gains is immense. Slow and steady wins the race.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by JohnTitor » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:10 pm

hanumadu wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:45 am

Now imagine a scenario where the peacefuls are rioting and wreaking havoc in some city in India.
A govt whether BJP or not in the first scenario will be able to take the strictest action without fear of international repercussions. India's actions will be solely determined by its national interests.

I will leave the situation under the second trajectory to your imagination.
You should read my previous post. My point wasn’t whether bjp is better or worse than congress but that this is what people’s perception is.

If that is so difficult for you to understand, then there’s no point having a discussion because you are simply preaching to the choir.

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