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Post by crams » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:58 pm

Guys, decent op-ed by Minhaz Merchant on Trump turning down ModiJi's invitation to be guest of honor at the 2019 republic day celebrations:

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/trump-tu ... 27463.html

I agree with MinhazJi for the most part, but he does not mention a few things which in my opinion I hold ModiJi at fault:

1. Along with him sucking up to Ganja only to be betrayed, ModiJi profuse sucking up to Trump was another huge mistake. I mean, one only needs room temperature IQ to realize that Trump is a pompous racist and his 'liking' of India is at best condescending patronizing towards India and Indians.

2. Trump's 'get tough' policy on TSP was only up to a point. Once again anyone with rudimentary knowledge of US foreign policy knows that: CIA/Pentagon/State dept/Think tanks set US foreign policy and president usually rubber stamps. So despite Trump's rhetoric on TSP, there was never any indication of US abandoning TSP or doing what is really necessary to make TSP behave. Institutional India TSP equal equal policy to contain India is alive and kicking. So BJP and ModiJi were bring delusional to think Trump would be any different.

3. The one thing good about Trump which ModiJi should have realize is that Trump means business. So ModiJi could have charted out a transactional relationship rather than all this feel good strategic crap. Hopefully, ModiJi pursues this transactional relationship through some give and take, and all in the background. No need for ostentatious hugs and grandiose statements.

4. All is not lost. I actually thank Trump turning down the invite is a blessing in disguise. Had he come to India and mouthed the usual platitudes and phony tough rhetoric on TSP, the dim-witted BJP and other RW morons would have gone berserk. At least now, hopefully reality dawns on them as to what Trump is really all about.

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Post by Supratik » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:43 pm

This is a delaying tactics by the SC judges. Ordinance is risky but may be necessary in Ayodhya. Re: Sabarimala - Isn't ending in -mol a KL orthodox christian name?

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Post by Supratik » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:51 pm

Trump didn't come due to Russian arms deal and Iran oil deal.

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Post by hanumadu » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:04 pm

What has Modi done for Hindus?
Well, he appointed 3 Hindutvawadis to JNU.
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Post by chetak » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:35 pm

KJo wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:33 pm
Sachin wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:25 am
crams wrote:I think SuSwamy is as usual being a rabble-rouser but at the same time hedging his bets to appear to be in favor of ModiJi.
As I see it SuSwamy is a loose cannon, and seems to be extremely prejudiced against RoP and RoL and is very supportive of Hinduism & culture associated with it. And he supports parties & people who he feels is with him on a specific cause. SuSwamy may support BJP in one case, and may support Congress in another issue. But SuSwamy's support is not guaranteed to any political out fit.
Yes, Subbu Swamy is an interesting character. Highly intelligent, but highly maverick too. No one can trust him too much because he changes sides so often. Modi did the right thing of keeping him out, he would have loved to be FM and I think he is well qualified for it too. But you have to be loyal to the Govt and the PM if you want to be in the Government, you cannot be an insider and take potshots at the Govt like Swamy usually does. Tharoor is another guy like Subbu. Highly intelligent, so they find it difficult to keep their mouth shut when they need to, so get into trouble.
unlike swamy, tharoor thinks only with and mostly for his testimonials.

Word in dilli is if it moves, tharoor is willing to poke it.

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Post by chetak » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:38 pm

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Enforcement Directorate issues press statement on #AmnestyRaids.

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Post by hanumadu » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:52 pm

TimesNow-CNX pre poll survey of Chattisgarh. First in a series, they say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWyiIv3q6Y

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Post by abhijit » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:39 am

Any hope for BJP in rajasthan?

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Post by Vikas » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:20 am

hanumadu wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:23 pm
Vikas wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:49 am
Common man in India primarily cares for (a) Inflation (b) Job (c) Corruption (d) caste (e) Semi decent Governance (f) Religion, If you are a minority

Everything else including Rahul in Janeu, CBI directors and Rafale and Ache-din and war-on-twitter and Ram Temple etc. comes after that. So most of the things that rile up (CRamS ji :) too ) folks here mean zilch to the one who hopes to make enough money to feed his/her family.
Then why do you keep haranguing everyday Modi is not doing anything for Hindus? Hindutva alone wont get votes.
That is because Sir, I fall into the catagory of elites. I have a decent job, enough money not to worry about my next meal, roof over my head blah blah..(and probably is true for almost everyone reading tis post).

I have moved onto the next level where Hindutva cause matter to me.

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Post by Lilo » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:43 am

Sabarimala should NOT merely be some "apolitical" devotee based protest(which implies that onlee Ayyappa devotees are "welcome" to join the agitation) - rather it HAS to be a broader Hindu political agitation in the lines of RJB and it should be mobilized along those lines from all sections of the Hindu spectrum starting from Kerala.

One can go by the recent example of the protests for the honor of Andal Amman in TN when urban Vaishnavites (as far as i have noticed) initially billed it as a Vaishnavite onlee protest bringing the Vaishnavite seers and even the likes of ISK'CON' to the center stage while ignoring or excluding the other broader Hindu traditions of TN (Saiva Shakta and the rural religious Hindu masses).Effect was that the agitation went out of steam at a critical juncture and even when mistakes in outreach were rectified later it was too late .

Below i highlight certain political aspects in Kerala which are preventing Sabarimala protests from assuming a full fledged pan Hindu and pan Kerala character.
BJP eyes elusive Hindu consolidation with Sabarimala
UPDATED: OCT 30 2018

When P S Sreedharan Pillai, president of the BJP in Kerala, takes out a rath yatra on November 8 to “protect” traditions at the Sabarimala Ayyappa Temple, the more vocal elements in the Sangh Parivar are very likely to pitch it as another call for Hindu mobilisation.

The call for a unified Hindu identity cutting across caste has, so far, failed to bring in electoral returns for the BJP. But Sabarimala is a plank it would not want to miss out on; the political gains will depend on how it handles two key caste outfits -- the upper-caste Nair Service Society (NSS) and the Sree Narayana Dharma Paripalana (SNDP) Yogam, an influential organisation of the OBC Ezhavas.

The Supreme Court judgment which allowed entry for women of all ages to the temple offers a lead for the BJP to build on. Party president Amit Shah, during two public addresses in Kerala on Saturday, referred to the NSS, BDJS (SNDP’s political arm and a BJP ally) and the Yogam itself as partners in agitation against the CPM-led state government over its implementation of the verdict. SNDP General Secretary Vellappally Natesan clarified that the SNDP, while supporting the devotees, would not join BJP-led protests. The NSS has not taken an overtly political stance on the issue but by leading devotees’ protests against the judgment and slamming the crackdown on protesters in strong terms, the outfit has made clear its position.

In a state where Muslims and Christians constitute about 45% of the population, the BJP also has its work cut out in consolidating the Hindu vote base ahead of the 2019 general election. Party leaders point to impressive turnouts at the protests and claim that consolidation against an “anti-Hindu” government has begun. Sobha Surendran, BJP general secretary, said Natesan’s position was not worrying. “Natesan’s son, Thushar Vellappally, is also leading the yatra. Where’s the discord here? This movement is not about caste; all our protests had a huge presence of SNDP members and people belonging to all castes,” she told DH. She also pointed out how NSS general secretary G Sukumaran Nair had hit out at the government over implementation of the verdict. As per the 2011 census, Ezhavas and Nairs constitute about 22% and 12%, respectively, of the population in Kerala.

That the main Opposition party, the Congress, has also backed status quo at the temple could leave Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan in a go for broke situation he doesn’t seem to mind. On Monday, Congress leader K Muraleedharan said Vijayan, by going ahead with implementation of the verdict, was aspiring to be among celebrated social reformers. The CPM won’t mind credit for reform; what remains to be seen is the political import.

At the rath yatra which starts in Kasaragod and ends in Pathanamthitta, on November 13, the BJP will try to mobilise dissent against the government’s use of force against devotees. Support has emerged from Christian and Muslim communities, through voices that question courts’ intervention in matters of faith.

The yatra will test the BJP’s claims of acceptability among the backward castes. Punnala Sreekumar, general secretary of the Kerala Pulayar Maha Sabha – a prominent SC outfit – has welcomed the judgment. M Geethanandan, coordinator of the Adivasi Gothra Mahasabha, said the Sangh was attributing anti-Hindu designs to the verdict to further its political agenda. He also called for the restoration of tribal rituals at the temple and forest rights for tribespeople in and around the hill shrine. Even as the Sangh tries to build consensus in generic terms of “devotees” and “Hindu sentiments”, it cannot ignore an underlying narrative around upper-class orthodoxy and its resistance to reform.

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/y ... 00510.html
SNDP not with NSS, Natesan clarifies
DECCAN CHRONICLE.
Published Oct 29, 2018

Thiruvananthapuram: SNDP Yogam general secretary Vellapally Natesan has snubbed BJP president Amit Shah's suggestion for the NSS and SNDP Yogam to join hands in the protest on the Sabarimala issue.

He said it's Mr Shah's slip of the tongue and what he must have meant is BDJS, a political party and not SNDP Yogam, a community organisation.
Mr Shah made the remarks while inaugurating the Navathy commemorations of social reformer Sree Narayana Guru at Sivagiri Mutt on Saturday.
Mr Nateshan made only a brief speech after Mr Shah's inaugural address. His clarification came within minutes of Mr Shah leaving for Hyderabad.

Ever since the landmark verdict allowing women of all ages to worship in Sabarimala, he had maintained that SNDP Yogam would not join protests.

"I can't change my stand overnight on Sabarimala. It should be recalled that NSS general secretary G. Sukumaran Nair had taken a unilateral stand a few years ago that he will not work along with the Yogam," he told DC.
"He had then said he would consider working with the Yogam when I step down. When he says so, do you think I will forget his hurtful words and go along with him?"

The two do not see eye to eye ever since he tried the pan-caste Hindutva slogan, ‘Nayadi muthal Namboodiri vare’ (from the lowest to the highest caste). Mr Nair denounced it.

Former BJP state president Kummanam Rajasekharan had tried multiple times to have a meeting between Mr Shah and Mr Nair but in vain.

His successor, Mr Pillai, has got excellent rapport with Mr Nair and would be trying to cash in on the situation over Sabarimala as both are against the court verdict.
NSS resents move for Hindu party
DECCAN CHRONICLE
Published Sep 22, 2015

KOTTAYAM: Nair Service Society general secretary G Sukumaran Nair has rejected SNDP Yogam general secretary Vellpally Natesan’s call for a larger Hindu unity, stating that the NSS was neither for forming a political party nor for being part of a larger Hindu unity without effecting changes to the reservation formula.

In a statement on Monday, Mr Sukumararn Nair said the NSS “is non-political and in the imminent local body elections it would follow the policy of equidistance towards all political parties”. He said that NSS stood for rights of not only the Nair community but for the common benefit of society.

Mr Nair said that holding talks with other Hindu organisations for the larger unity and for the formation of a political did not match secular values upheld by the NSS.

He recalled the bitter experience of NSS earlier when there was a failed attempt to form a political party, National Democratic Party, which was an eye-opener. But he welcomed a larger Hindu unity to protect interests of Hindu communities.

“If such a move has to meet the desired results, NSS feels that the political parties should not interfere and other communities or religions should not feel threatened. But we had already stated that reservation status among Hindus should be settled as for years it has been delayed”, said Mr. Nair, adding that “it is against facts to say that we are working towards broader Hindu unity”.{one should note here how such anti-reservation viewpoints are brought forth by these so called "caste leaders" onlee when the BJP is breathing down the neck for Hindu consolidation - else in the past 20 years, on this reservation issue there would have been merely be few token statements or more commonly silence like a snake especially when other ideologies like commieism or sikularism are ascendant.Now that the Hindu consolidation is needed, the reservation issue is suddenly weaponized aiming to prevent the coalescing of the Hindu political stream into a force.This is the BIF strategy where commie/congie coverts in such caste organisations be it SNDP or NSS are activated to prevent unity.Similar strategies we have seen in kapu reservation,patel reservation or maratha reservation "agitations" which suddenly gain political force devolving even into street violence and the angst is channeled against the broader Hindutva movement and its flagbearers like the NaMo govt at the center.. }
Such attempts to bring NSS and SNDP like "Hindu" orgs of Kerala under a single Hindutva umbrella has repeatedly proved to be futile since several decades in Kerala.The predominantly Hindu Dalits & Adivasis too were left out because of the sikularist ideologies which have long since hijacked their legitimate demands for their rights and that historical domination still continues in their orgs.

Root cause analysis will easily show that these attempts failed in Kerala - even while the Hindu population there hemmed in on all sides with the aggressive demographics and cultural/economic dominance of abrahamics only b/c
1)these so called "Hindu orgs" are choc-a-block with covert sikulars(i.e those who are/and always been ready to sell the interests of Hindu dharma for the highest bidders either to the commies or congies) and
2)Many of them also happen to be the old fashioned legendary type casteists - who cannot brook a compact with a so called "rival" caste even on the existential Hindu issues - i.e even when the Love Jihad of abrahamics is targeting their own daughters or even when Sabarimala Ayyappa's abode is facing the imminent threat of desecration.

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:28 am

Aditya_V wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:12 am
Actually common man must ask the INC why they changed the rules for CBI director appointment in 2014 and 2004
Especially, as to why the CJI was brought in when their collegium system expressly excludes the executive branch, which BTW is the inalienable constitutional right of the executive.

These guys are playing the long game using sicilian rules.

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:53 am

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the deviousness of the #metoo campaign and the hypocrisy of the left loonie wimmens and urban naxals


Just a year ago the same lot who were scoffing at Jauhar & saying what’s the big deal about the marauding, plundering, cruel Khiljee having a ‘crush’ on Padmavati now want us to empathise with a bunch of women who are ‘devastated & destroyed’ by their boss

10:46 AM - 28 Oct 2018

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:01 am

judge, jury and executioner.

BIF in full play


A huge tragedy used to self flagellate - "plane flown by Indian". Never saw any @timesofindia headline say "flown by Chinese or Australian or Thai pilot" reporting an accident! What's wrong with our mentality??


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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:54 am

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"If Modi doesn't make #RamMandir i won't vote for him."
"If Modi doesn't intervene in #sabarimala, i won't vote for him."
"If Modi doesn't speak about #MeTooIndia, i won't vote for him."

These are his 'supposed' voters. And they can go to hell.

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Post by vishvak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:14 am

The internet is choc-o-block with jaichands and pakis parading as Modi supporters.

Blend faith, doctrine with activism, pope tells young at synod's end
Reuters.com
He said young people could not wash their hands about the problems of their neighbors but "dirty" them" if they really wanted to imitate Jesus, "not (as) specialists in the sacred, but witnesses of the love that saves".
Wonder when we can afford to have attitude like this when just the other day someone killed minority Jews in their own synagogue in middle of somewhere in USA - the only superpower.

Imagine if central government was in the hands of so called activists in garb of secular whatever. By this time the TV would be lecturing heathens pegeins very casually about rolling down as per dictates of some arbitrary activists in the name of some internationally decided lopsided BS.

Wonder if we will build such a corrosive attitude to send such activists/stormtroopers on phoren sojourns-on-ships just to keep them away and far-off - the logic of keeping chicken far off itself is corrosive in a sense it will pick up gutter germs from places it travels when it returns home.

At least Taliban didn't call activism when it bombed Bamiyan Buddha.

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Post by Schmidt » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:14 am

Options on Ayodhya issue now limited, Modi regime must consider Ordinance

https://www.pgurus.com/options-on-ayodh ... ordinance/

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:23 am

Now just in case if you were wondering why all of a sudden anti-Hindu forces had an interest in the Sabarimala Temple. The reason is Sabarimala is a very revered place of worship in the Hindu religion. The sheer number of devotees it attracts every year is just mind-boggling.
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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:32 am

Schmidt wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:14 am
Options on Ayodhya issue now limited, Modi regime must consider Ordinance

https://www.pgurus.com/options-on-ayodh ... ordinance/
Ordinance is a face saver for SC (that it is eagerly looking for) Hope Modi government doesn't offer it on a platter. Let Judiciary eat the cake they baked.

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:56 am

Dr David Frawley Verified account @davidfrawleyved 18h18 hours ago

Is the Supreme Court avoiding the #RamMandir issue after having been so severely criticized after Sabarimala?
Continues a pattern of judicial overreach and judicial delay. Justifies the ordinance approach. Court cannot be relied upon to resolve the case.

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Post by crams » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:45 pm

Viv S wrote:
Supratik wrote:Trump didn't come due to Russian arms deal and Iran oil deal.
Or maybe he had other commitments at the time (golf maybe). Or maybe, with his plan to hold a parade in DC being a wash out, his advisers are steering him clear of anything that would revive the media narrative on national parades.

Or maybe even more likely, neither he nor his entourage wanted to inhale Delhi's January air (I remember that being a big deal when Obama was in town).
I think all of you are missing the elephant in the room. I know this sounds like a CT, and maybe it is one, but I posit that its the Congoon ecosystem in cahoots with 'South Asia' cabal and think tanks in US that impressed upon Trump's handlers to call this off. And to me the reasons are obvious.

But first recall some background:

1. How the BIF cabal impressed upon previous US govts (under Bush/Obama) to humiliate ModiJi (and by default all of his supporters) by denying him a US visa.

2. Trump bahadur first and foremost is a white Christian nationalist, and his top priority is towards his people, and to this end, even if he has a personal rapport with ModiJi, if someone impresses to kick ModiJi on his b@alls because it is in US interests, he will do it.

So, here are the issues surrounding the elephant in the room:

1. Had DT come to India, and in a joint press conference, he bashed TSP in no uncertain terms, imagine how the internal dynamics in India would have played out. The BJP haters would have been despondent. In contrast, the BJP/RSS/RW folks would have gone berserk, and dare I say even those on the fence who are 'pseudo secular' but reasonably nationalist.

2. And of course the 'South Asia' cabal in US (think tanks etc) knows that given Islam as the common thread between TSP and Indian Muslims, DT stridently castigating TSP alongside ModiJi would have energized the RW and the average Hindu voter like none other. Alienating Indian Muslims will not augur well to fight the perception that US foreign policy is ‘anti Muslim’ (they need useful idiots). Furthermore, CIA/Pentagon would also impressed upon DT that appearing to be too close to ModiJi in the heart of India will simply demoralize and humiliate TSP that they would rather implode than accept this US humiliation. Thus, a DT visit would have pretty much decided the 2019 election on 01/26/19, and TSP would have plummeted to further depths.

3. Not the topic of this thread, I might also add that BIF is working overtime with Hindus hating 'South Asia" cabal in US/UK and elsewhere that there is not even a chance in thin air that Vijay Mallya, Nirav Modi etc will be extradited to India before 2019 general elections. The electoral gain to BJP will be staggering should any of these criminals be extradited.

4. Finally, again, not the topic of this thread, but just see how the activist supreme court deferred the Ram Janmabhoomi decision. Why? Once again, you guessed it, no way BJP will be allowed to reap electoral dividends.

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Post by Primus » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:28 pm

crams wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:45 pm
Viv S wrote:
Supratik wrote:Trump didn't come due to Russian arms deal and Iran oil deal.
Or maybe he had other commitments at the time (golf maybe). Or maybe, with his plan to hold a parade in DC being a wash out, his advisers are steering him clear of anything that would revive the media narrative on national parades.

Or maybe even more likely, neither he nor his entourage wanted to inhale Delhi's January air (I remember that being a big deal when Obama was in town).
I think all of you are missing the elephant in the room. I know this sounds like a CT, and maybe it is one, but I posit that its the Congoon ecosystem in cahoots with 'South Asia' cabal and think tanks in US that impressed upon Trump's handlers to call this off. And to me the reasons are obvious.

But first recall some background:

1. How the BIF cabal impressed upon previous US govts (under Bush/Obama) to humiliate ModiJi (and by default all of his supporters) by denying him a US visa.

2. Trump bahadur first and foremost is a white Christian nationalist, and his top priority is towards his people, and to this end, even if he has a personal rapport with ModiJi, if someone impresses to kick ModiJi on his b@alls because it is in US interests, he will do it.

So, here are the issues surrounding the elephant in the room:

1. Had DT come to India, and in a joint press conference, he bashed TSP in no uncertain terms, imagine how the internal dynamics in India would have played out. The BJP haters would have been despondent. In contrast, the BJP/RSS/RW folks would have gone berserk, and dare I say even those on the fence who are 'pseudo secular' but reasonably nationalist.

2. And of course the 'South Asia' cabal in US (think tanks etc) knows that given Islam as the common thread between TSP and Indian Muslims, DT stridently castigating TSP alongside ModiJi would have energized the RW and the average Hindu voter like none other. Alienating Indian Muslims will not augur well to fight the perception that US foreign policy is ‘anti Muslim’ (they need useful idiots). Furthermore, CIA/Pentagon would also impressed upon DT that appearing to be too close to ModiJi in the heart of India will simply demoralize and humiliate TSP that they would rather implode than accept this US humiliation. Thus, a DT visit would have pretty much decided the 2019 election on 01/26/19, and TSP would have plummeted to further depths.

3. Not the topic of this thread, I might also add that BIF is working overtime with Hindus hating 'South Asia" cabal in US/UK and elsewhere that there is not even a chance in thin air that Vijay Mallya, Nirav Modi etc will be extradited to India before 2019 general elections. The electoral gain to BJP will be staggering should any of these criminals be extradited.

4. Finally, again, not the topic of this thread, but just see how the activist supreme court deferred the Ram Janmabhoomi decision. Why? Once again, you guessed it, no way BJP will be allowed to reap electoral dividends.
I don't know about the Trump issue but I agree mostly with points 3 and 4, especially the SC tactics of delaying a hearing on RJB. There is absolutely no cogent reason to delay it. It seems that Kapil Sibal has got his wish after all. This does create a problem for the BJP, if they do nothing, it is almost certain that the SC hearings will be delayed beyond the election and in that case if the BJP loses, it doesn't really matter what the SC decides, the temple will not be built, that much we can be sure of. OTOH if the BJP brings in an ordinance, it may not pass in the Parliament later which will be a disaster. Either way, I don't see much hope unless somehow the impossible does happen - the ordinance is brought, the President approves it and it passes in both houses.

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Post by JohnTitor » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:59 am

Ordinance will never happen. BJP simply doesn't have the cahoonas to do it. Instead, they will keep quiet and pretend noone noticed.

Again, people are mistakenly believing that the BJP/RSS are Hindu faith organisations that will stand for Hindus. They are true nationalistic secular organisations - I mean the true meaning of secular, not the Indian version.

Hindus are on their own, so either they get with the program or keep sucking their collective thumbs.

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Post by Lilo » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:01 am

JohnTitor wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:59 am
Ordinance will never happen. BJP simply doesn't have the cahoonas to do it. Instead, they will keep quiet and pretend noone noticed.

Again, people are mistakenly believing that the BJP/RSS are Hindu faith organisations that will stand for Hindus. They are true nationalistic secular organisations - I mean the true meaning of secular, not the Indian version.

Hindus are on their own, so either they get with the program or keep sucking their collective thumbs.
What is this BS you are repeatedly spewing on RSS ideology hain ji - claiming that its ideology is nationalist or sekular or non Hindu?

RSS is a Hindutva organisation.
End of the story.

Dont attempt your own asinine definitions on RSS ideology.
If you dont know the definition of Hindutva i shall oblige .


Now coming to the ordinance part - dont jump your MYTY gun with zero strategy.
Imagine its not the RJB issue but its some other contentious issue like cauvery issue b/w say Karnataka and TN.

Say the SC is deferring a verdict continuously for decades without doing its duty of examining the case impartially and dispassionately and arriving at a verdict a in a process where ultimately "Not just Justice is done but is seen to be done" by one and all.(This is the raison d'être of Supreme court's existence and its the reason the hizzoners are getting to eat their fat paychecks,make their orderlies do menial jobs for them or lounge in their bunglows or strut around in their lal batti entourages.)

Now you want to leave SC off the hook and foolishly take the matter into govt hands via an ordinance? :facepalm:

Say some MPTP (more pappu than pappu) govt(on the prodding of the swamytard pappus on SM) foolishly decides to take matter in its own hands and passes a ordinance allotting X% share to Kar and Y% share waters to TN.
Expectedly the BIF elements like the Seeman/DK gangs in TN or Sons type orgs in KA both go up in arms claiming "politically motivated injustice has been done" and torch all the busses of other states with maybe some people still in it and the masses are drawn into a fullblown civil war b/w the states.
Now the MPTP govt at the center will realize its mistake and go to the SC powerlessly hat in hand again this time begging it to give judicial stamp on its ordinance just to give legitimacy to its ordinance.
Now the renowed fixers in the halls of SC like SuSu or Sibal can inject themselves into the process and continue to do their dalali .. till SuSu gets the chance to become PM (too high ? ... atleast an FM? pleasseeee)
But maybe this is what the MYTY Swamytards want ?
Which is why forget the judicial process they even want to skip the due parliamentary process and go for a weakly legitimate executive action of passing an RJB ordinance !

Now some would have seen the pgurus farticle(pgurus is a Swamytard site directly funded by SuSu and his foreign handlers) which Schmidt ji posted in the previous page .I see that you are now recycling talking points from that swamytard propaganda to target NaMo.
Everyone knows that swamytards are cretins who can hardly think for themselves and simply lift and spout swamytard propaganda for the sake of their supremo SuSu to become a FinMin.
But despite this nature of a Swamytard i suggest them that propaganda should be tenable to logic - so here is a more logical approach for them to pressurize the GOI this time.

Demand that GOI gives up its current approach of gradually boxing SC to deliver or reveal its hand via RJB (and show itself as a BIF institution hellbent on targeting and dividing Hindu's but giving the mainorities a wideberth) ,
Demand GOI to go to the next step of the escalation ladder - like say passing a resolution in Parliament (both LS and RS) asking the court to decide the matter by so and so date failing which the Parliament will start deliberations on passing a law on RJB issue.
Now mount a media blitz that as the SC is unable to provide justice even in such a critical and contentious issue of national importance in a time bound manner even when there is nothing more to enquire and all the facts concerning the issue are placed before it ,the parliament had to reluctantly step in to pass a law.
Box the SC throughout in the period saying that SC has abdicated its sacred responsibility to the nation to adjudicate the case and question the further usefulness or relevance of the SC to deal with any serious issue going ahead.Lay the blame continuously on the CJI.

Now while the hizzoners are being suitably marinated in that manner - start a lengthy parliament process(a quasi judicial proceeding) listing out the facts of the matter in the RJB case in the floor of the house while simultaneously mounting an impeachment motion against the incumbent CJI(citing his gross abdication of constitutional responsibility).
Let people who watch the daily televised proceedings in TV see the facts of the case(acheological findings etc) for themselves while understanding the sides taken by likes of Congis Commies or other sikular regional casteists against Ram and those supporting for full restoration of the rights of Ram lalla and a bhavya Ram mandir in RJB.
Doodh ka doodh and pani ka pani will happen with a windfall for PIF.

Finally Ram mandir verdict will come out wrapped in flowers this time directly from the SC as soon as one or more judges are impeached - this is the end game and corresponding scale of power must be gathered by PIF to impeach them.Without achieving that dont peddle your hare brained swamytard ideas just to benefit your supremo SuSu.If swamytards have any measure of spinal steadfastness they should make SuSu answerable to his previous bombastic promises of single handedly getting RJB verdict by 2018 using his "good offices" with the lardships in SC.
Many normal muslims have already accepted the need and the legitimacy if a Ram mandir in RJB provided some grand mosque is constructed else where - this will be explicitly acknowledged by them provided it comes in the form of an SC verdict.
But now even after this SC verdict if some commies or congies or muslim communal orgs or other tukde gangs still take to streets with violence full force of the state can be employed .

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by JohnTitor » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:53 am

Lilo wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:01 am
What is this BS you are repeatedly spewing on RSS ideology hain ji - claiming that its ideology is nationalist or sekular or non Hindu?

RSS is a Hindutva organisation.
End of the story.

Dont attempt your own asinine definitions on RSS ideology.
If you dont know the definition of Hindutva i shall oblige .
I'm not sure what you think pro Hindu is. RSS have always been a nationalistic organisation with a Hindu cultural background. That is to say the members are overwhelmingly Hindu. However, that is not the same as an organisation fighting for Hindu causes per say. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just that people should not be expecting that they fight for Hindu rights. Hindus need to organise themselves better for that goal. Beyond that, there's not much to say.

Case in point, MH CM David Fernandes, who seems more secular then even pappu. My understanding is that he is also a former RSS man.

Now you want to leave SC off the hook and foolishly take the matter into govt hands via an ordinance? :facepalm:
There are 2 issues here. Sorting out the RJB issue and what the party and govt are perceived to be doing. Your solution below might be one such solution but does nothing for perception. It's better to be seen doing something even if nothing comes out of it than just wait. The case has been running for decades.

Now some would have seen the pgurus farticle(pgurus is a Swamytard site directly funded by SuSu and his foreign handlers) which Schmidt ji posted in the previous page .I see that you are now recycling talking points from that swamytard propaganda to target NaMo.
Everyone knows that swamytards are cretins who can hardly think for themselves and simply lift and spout swamytard propaganda for the sake of their supremo SuSu to become a FinMin.
But despite this nature of a Swamytard i suggest them that propaganda should be tenable to logic - so here is a more logical approach for them to pressurize the GOI this time.
I don't know who this p g guru is and frankly don't care. It's purely coincidental that I have said something similar to whatever article you are referring to (I have neither seen not read it). You really shouldn't start a personal argument because you disagree with what I say. As far as Swamy is concerned I am neither for nor against him. Just as I am with Modi. My loyalties lie with my culture and country (in that very order), not party or person. Your blind love for Modi is causing you to take a dump just because you disagree with someone. I suggest you keep that to yourself, because if I wanted your opinion about me, I'd give it to you.
Demand that GOI gives up its current approach of gradually boxing SC to deliver or reveal its hand via RJB (and show itself as a BIF institution hellbent on targeting and dividing Hindu's but giving the mainorities a wideberth) ,

Demand GOI to go to the next step of the escalation ladder - like say passing a resolution in Parliament (both LS and RS) asking the court to decide the matter by so and so date failing which the Parliament will start deliberations on passing a law on RJB issue.

Now mount a media blitz that as the SC is unable to provide justice even in such a critical and contentious issue of national importance in a time bound manner even when there is nothing more to enquire and all the facts concerning the issue are placed before it ,the parliament had to reluctantly step in to pass a law.

Box the SC throughout in the period saying that SC has abdicated its sacred responsibility to the nation to adjudicate the case and question the further usefulness or relevance of the SC to deal with any serious issue going ahead.Lay the blame continuously on the CJI.
Sure, but pray tell us how. Start protests in front of parliament? Or perhaps start an online petition? What about a fast unto death? Fact is there's not much the common man can do. You need either money or power for anything to happen here. The only thing that is remotely possible for the layman is to be part of Hindu organisations and influence the crowd. Something that I have done. But it's time consuming and not the most efficient way.

Have you ever tried writing to the party president or spokespersons? Because I have on multiple occasions and nothing comes out of it.

The rest of your post is just rambling.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:01 am

Why is visit of POTUS or cancelled visit such a important thing in the scheme of things. If world was so simple, Then BJP Govt could have invited custodian of Kabba and would have got all the Muslim votes.

As far Ordinance on RJB, What kind of ordinance are you folks asking for ?
IMO Since SC is anyways ruining most of the shows, Hindus should just start building the Ram Tample with state and central govt acting innocent.

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