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Post by KJo » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:05 am

Old Thread was here.
https://forum.bharatganrajya.com/viewto ... f=22&t=116

Post here from now onward.

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Post by rhytha » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:00 am

Good Quality Article going into the specifics on this..

Why Failure to Form an Alliance With BSP in MP Shouldn't Worry Congress

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Rafale row: Caught in a chimera of political ambitions, Rahul Gandhi's hosanna on HAL ignores UPA's damning report on PSU




Rafale row: Caught in a chimera of political ambitions, Rahul Gandhi's hosanna on HAL ignores UPA's damning report on PSU
India Sreemoy Talukdar, Oct 15, 2018

In a recent blog on Rafale controversy, Arun Jaitley had criticised Rahul Gandhi for being economical with the truth. The Union finance minister called his strategy “simple”, which is to “concoct a lie and repeat it as many times”. Jaitley pointed out that Rahul had not answered his questions on the issue and posited that “in mature democracies those who rely on falsehood are considered unfit for public life.”

Rahul obviously hasn’t paid any attention to Jaitley’s criticism. The Congress president evidently believes that it is not his sacred duty to uphold the sanctity of political discourse. He perhaps detects in Jaitley’s reaction a touch of panic in failing to counter his narrative. Congress’ in-house ‘data scientists’ may have told him that ‘Rafale fire’ is catching on. Rahul sees an opportunity here and has widened the ambit of his disruptive politics to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) — the PSU at the centre of Rafale row — to seal his ‘advantage’.

Put in this context, Rahul’s gaslighting on HAL and his Saturday afternoon tamasha at Minsk Square in Bengaluru near the HAL headquarters becomes easier to understand. However, a larger question needs to be asked here. At what point, exactly, do we stop ignoring or justifying his falsehoods as ‘political ploy’ and demand some accountability from the dynast? This question assumes importance because Rahul has by and large escaped media scrutiny despite spreading relentless canards on Rafale. He enjoys a license denied to his peers.

There is no dearth of media attempts to fact-check prime minister’s speeches, as it should be in a democracy. (See here or here). Rahul is Congress president and the 'PM-designate'. He is angling for the post and hopes to succeed Modi in 2019. He and his words deserve to be taken in all seriousness.

We, therefore, note with worry Rahul’s callous disregard for facts during the “interaction” with a few current and retired HAL employees, his unstinting faith in a bloated socialist state and his mischievous attempts to sow seeds of discord within the PSU. What makes Rahul’s position even more untenable is that he isn’t heading an untested outfit but India’s oldest political party that has been in power for six decades since Independence and is chiefly responsible for the predicament of our public institutions.


Rahul described HAL as a “strategic asset in aerospace”, claimed that work done by it for the country was “tremendous”, and added that “the country owed debt to it for ‘protecting us’ and creating a scientific vision (whatever that means)”. The Gandhi scion also promised HAL employees (a few had turned up defying an official memo along with some retired workers) that “when we come to power, we will do it more aggressively.” By “it” he meant making HAL “more effective”, perhaps because Congress had never got the chance earlier to do so.

Among other things, Rahul said: “A senior government official claimed that HAL does not have the capacity to build Rafale Jets. I want to ask, what about the person who got the contract? What sort of experience does Anil Ambani have? If somebody thinks that they will build their future on your (HAL) graveyard, I will not allow it. I will stand with you all.”

Never one to hold back on rhetoric, the Congress president ranked HAL among “temples of modern India” which he claimed “are being attacked and destroyed” and thundered that “we cannot allow it to be done.” Addressing the workers, he said: “Rafale is your right."

Soon after Rahul’s “interaction”, HAL released a statement to the media denouncing the “politicization” of its employees. It pointed out that NDA government has extended “full-fledged support (to HAL), having placed supply orders of over Rs 27,340 crore during the 2014-18 period by recognising its premier position.”

HAL’s statement added that “towards improvement and upgradation of infrastructure, including ramping up of production facilities, funding to the tune of Rs 7,800 crore was sanctioned during the period… Today’s attempt at politicisation of the employees is a fad and regrettable development and will be detrimental to the interest of the organisation, its employees as well as national security.”

Before we delve into Rahul’s other inaccuracies, distortions and practical jokes that he sprang on us on Saturday, let us be clear on one aspect. HAL was never in contention to “produce Rafale”. Not in UPA’s time, not now. Amid all obfuscations scripted by the Congress, the fact remains that UPA never signed the deal with Dassault on Rafale. There was no deal on the table. UPA prevaricated, stalled, sat on negotiations and in February 2014, shortly before being voted out of office, then defence minister AK Antony had admitted that financial condition of the government was not good and “there is no money for this (deal).”

As far as the deal scripted by NDA is concerned, the agreement is simple. Dassault and Dassault alone will produce the fighter jets and India will take shipment of two squadrons of 36 fighter aircraft in ‘fly-away’ condition. Anil Ambani’s Reliance ADAG has entered into a joint venture with Dassault and DRAL (the JV) will serve only 10 percent of the total offset liability of Dassault. The French manufacturer is on talks with “hundred Indian companies” to meet its offset obligations.

So, as Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies fellow Abhijit Iyer-Mitra points out, “The final negotiated contract is for offsets of industrial defence goods, not an agreement to co-produce planes, which is HAL’s only competence (sic). The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) reportedly gets Rs 9,000 crore worth of offset work from Dassault, while Reliance is simply the biggest, not only, beneficiary of the remaining Rs 21,000 crore.” (See Sandeep Unnithan’s piece in India Today here for a complete break-up of the offset contract piece.

This nails Rahul’s falsehood about HAL being “denied” the chance to “build Rafale” by Reliance. As for why Reliance and not HAL, it has been repeatedly pointed out by the Indian government, French government and Dassault that the decision to choose Reliance as a JV partner for dealing a portion of offset contracts was Dassault’s alone.

The key question is, why did Dassault tie-up with Reliance ADAG instead of HAL to form a JV that will deal with offset obligations. We get a hint from Dassault CEO Eric Trappier’s comments when AFP asked him the question. He replied: “Dassault Aviation decided to establish a long-term presence in India through DRAL, a joint enterprise in which governance is provided by an Indian Chief Executive Officer and a French Chief Operating Officer. Dassault Aviation therefore exercises technical and industrial control over the operations, applying its standards and its flexibility.”

In other words, Dassault tied up with a private firm instead of HAL because it will be easier for it to “exercise technical and industrial control over the operations, applying its standards and its flexibility” which may not be possible in case of state-run HAL which is notorious for cost-overruns, poor quality control, slack work culture and lack of accountability — in short, all symptoms of a government monopoly.

This is as far as the French can go. But let’s assume that Dassault chief is bluffing, and Rahul is speaking the truth about HAL being a “strategic asset”. It is worth taking a look at the track record of India’s premier state-run aerospace company.

London-based Financial Times had reported in 2011 quoting a leaked cable from Timothy Roemer, US ambassador to Delhi, that “the potential for HAL to successfully partner with US firms on a truly advanced aircraft remains untested and suspect”, when Boeing and Lockheed Martin were in contention to supply New Delhi with 126 fighter jets. Leaked by Wikileaks, the cable quoted Roemer, who had just visited HAL’s Bangalore plant in February 2010, as saying, that India’s aviation industry is “two to three decades behind the United States and other western nations”.

In 2015, US aviation major Boeing severed a contract with HAL for component supplies after giving the state-run company “repeated reminders” on its “poor quality” of production. As the Financial Express report points out, “Boeing has over the last few years shifted its component sourcing requirements in India to private companies — Tata Group, Dynamatic Technologies, Rossell Techsys and others.” Strategic asset indeed.

HAL, which still enjoys a monopoly which entities like BSNL or MTNL did before the telecom sector was opened up, has repeatedly failed to meet deadlines much to IAF’s annoyance. It failed to produce the indigenous light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas on time and “delivered only six of these supersonic jets to the IAF, missing its target of supplying 20 aircraft by the end of the year’s first quarter”, according to a report in Hindustan Times. The report quoted a source as saying “We are not getting as many jets as we would like. By now the first Tejas squadron should have inducted 20 planes.”

Similar delays have been witnessed in HAL’s rolling out of Sukhoi which is running at least three years behind schedule, according to a report in Indian Express. It says HAL’s scheduled delivery of the last of a set of 140 Russian-origin fighters by March 2017 has now been pushed to March 2020. HAL was contracted to produce 140, is yet to produce 33 and apparently the PSU “has directly procured some aircraft from Russia and delivered them to the IAF to bridge the gap.” It is not known whether Rahul Gandhi is aware of, or cares for these facts.

Even when HAL has produced what it is mandated to do, questions have been raised on its production quality. In 2015, for instance, a Hawk advanced jet trainer went down in Odisha and focus shifted to HAL’s manufacturing of the engine. As Times of India points out in a report, “HAL is tasked with manufacturing 99 of the 123 Hawks ordered from BAE Systems, with transfer of technology, in the overall AJT project already worth well over Rs 16,000 crore till now. But the entire endeavor has been marred by politico-bureaucratic apathy, poor long-term planning, flawed multiple contracts and delayed delivery schedules.”

So why is HAL is in such a mess? As defence analyst Dinesh Kumar writes in Sunday Guardian, “HAL’s record has been one of long delays, unkept promises and enormous costs. It has been a story of so much effort, so little delivery and hardly any accountability, and that too at the cost of compromising, if not altogether endangering, the airpower dimension of national security.”

Its delays in delivery, poor quality control and resultant flaws in products have hampered IAF’s operational capability and forced it to continue operating antiquated equipment that should have been grounded. This inevitably results in frequent crashes. HAL has over the years faced some serious allegations such as alleged fitting of second-hand engines in Sukhois. A 2017 report in Deccan Chronicle points out that “fitment of Cat 2 (category B) or secondhand engines into brand new Sukhoi 30 MKIs was done at HAL facility at Nashik “without the knowledge and approval of the defence ministry.”

Was Rahul unaware of the truth about HAL? Writing in Firstpost, Yatish Yadav refers to the minutes of a meeting pertaining to the visit of then minister of state for defence Jitendra Singh to HAL’s Sukhoi engine division at Koraput in May 2013 when UPA was negotiating with France to purchase 126 Rafale fighter jets. According to the confidential UPA report, HAL’s Koraput unit could produce only four of 34 engines before 31 March, 2013, because of “Insufficient number of production lines, inadequate floor space and lack of a skilled/trained workforce at HAL (Koraput)…” The report goes on to say “there is also a shortage of adequate hangar space to keep engines and it was observed that the engines awaiting induction are kept in open space, which in the long run will have serious flight safety ramifications.”

In another report, Yatish also points out how the UPA ignored reforms in the PSU. In 2012, for instance, a joint quality audit revealed that the defence public sector undertaking was “in dire need of government support.” Why didn’t Rahul take care of the ‘temple’?


Responding to Rahul’s allegations, government sources have pointed out that NDA has given orders worth Rs 22,000 crore every year to HAL. During UPA regime from 2004-14, HAL received Rs 10,000 crore per year worth of orders. If Rahul is so concerned about HAL, why did his government fail to come to its aid, sort out its chronic issues and flood it with orders? Why couldn’t the Congress seal a deal with France to let HAL produce Rafale?

These are legitimate questions. These have been asked before and might be asked of Rahul again. That doesn’t mean the Gandhi scion will stop gaslighting on Rafale or HAL. While the Congress president is entitled to adopt a political strategy of his choice, the larger questions remain. Can a leader bluff his way to power? What price democracy?


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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:22 am

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Fact check for ⁦@RahulGandhi⁩: Anil Ambani’s Reliance to get only 3% (Rs 900 crore) of Rs 30,000 crore offsets for Falcon biz jets that come as part of #RafaleDeal. DRDO to get the bulk. #HAL also part of dozens of vendors to get offset orders

Reliance Defence to get 3% of Rs 30,000 crore offset

By Manu Pubby, Oct 15, 2018

Reliance Defence to get 3% of Rs 30,000 crore offset


Reliance Defence could get just over 3% of the Rs 30,000-crore


The joint venture, Dassault Reliance Aviation Limited(DRAL), will see an investment capped at euro;100 million (Rs 850 crore) for setting up a plant to manufacture parts for Falcon executive jets, ET has learnt.

Additionally, a smaller investment would be made for a joint venture with avionics and radar manufacturer Thales, which is also setting up an assembly plant for radars adjacent to the DRAL complex in Nagpur, ET has been informed.

Officials pointed out that offsets for are divided into four parts between Dassault (the integrator), Thales (radars and avionics), Safran (engines and electronics) and MBDA (weapons). Out of the total commitment of Rs 30,000 crore, Dassault Aviation has to invest in offsets to the tune of Rs 6,500 crore, according to Air Marshal R Nambiar, deputy chief of air staff till last month.

Dassault Aviation chief Eric Trappier has now come on record to say that its joint venture with Reliance Defence is geared towards meeting about 10% of this offset obligation for the Rafale fighter jet deal.

Dassault Aviation decided to set up DRAL joint venture with Reliance and build a plant in Nagpur, which should enable us to meet about 10% of the offset obligations. We are in negotiations with about a hundred Indian companies and partnerships have already been concluded with about thirty of them,” the executive said in an interview to AFP.

ET has learnt that though the offset plans have not been formalised and presented to the government yet, there is still time as per the policy till October 2019 to share details with the ministry — the share of offsets for Reliance Defence in the deal could be capped at about 3% of the total offsets.


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Post by Sachin » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:43 am

On the Sabari Mala verdict and controversy at Kerala
1)Sabarimala talks today; Attempt to reach consensus. The facilities this time at Sabari Mala and Pampa (the climbing point) is really going to be bad this time. The floods and land slides have really caused havoc in the area, and the state goverment has not managed to bring back the situation and where close to normalcy. Leave alone women enthusiasts (not devotees) even men devotees are going to find things tough this time around.
2){Devaswom Minister} Kadakampalli {Surendran} clarifies on row over Sabarimala revenue.. This seems to be another gimmick. Rs. 683 crores received as donations to the temple, and Rs. 678 crores just spent on meeting the expenses of the temples. The temple staff are actually paid a low salary (though they get a pension), and it is hard to believe that Rs. 678 crores are just considered as expenses. Only an RTI can show the right picture. For there are rumours that the other Kerala Govt. departments send a hefty bill to the Travancore Devaswom Board for the "services rendered".

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Post by Sachin » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:41 am

Two Congress Goa Leaders Leave For Delhi Amidst Speculation Of Them Joining BJP
Looks like some game is afoot in Goa as well. The plan may be to thwart the plans of Congress well in advance, by reducing their numbers in the assembly and causing them more misery.

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Post by Gus » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:28 am

I love this. Gone are the days of being the good guys and getting blindsided into losing government by one vote and all that.

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:03 am

Watch this video.

The lady is apparently from news laundry, the "great web portal" and suhel seth is apparently doing her laundry in public.

No complaint, no protest and no objection from the lootyen's liberandu who is affected.



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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:13 am

Chetan Bhagat Verified account @chetan_bhagat

So who wanted to kiss whom? @iratrivedi’s self-explanatory email from 2013 to me, esp last line, easily shows her claims from 2010 are false, and she knows this too. This mental harassment of me and my family has to stop. Please don’t harm a movement with #fakecharges #harassed



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Post by rhytha » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:05 am

chetak wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:03 am
Watch this video.

The lady is apparently from news laundry, the "great web portal" and suhel seth is apparently doing her laundry in public.

No complaint, no protest and no objection from the lootyen's liberandu who is affected.


Sexual harassment is when ONLY women are not interested, if they are interested, its just playful and seen as confidence. The line is very blurry.

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Post by Triank » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:00 am

Sachin wrote:"Okay. Now can you suggest an alternative political outfit which would ensure that two largest communities would remain pals for ever, and is not compromised like the BJP? This is a serious question."
why, the congress, ofcourse! the uncompromised grand old party will re-loosen FCRA norms, bring red-tape back, instruct investors to 'make-elsewhere-just-not-in-India', setup potato production firms & give huge contracts of shoe-making to HAL, and most of all, bring the legendary Hindu-muslim unity back by re-pursuing saffron terror & CVB copiously doused in PappuMutra, pave way for the rogering of more Nambi Narayans & Purohits, & killings of less-secular maut-ke-newkillear-saudagar scientists, ample bomb blasts, & probably just one more 26/11 type attack & RSS-ki-saazish-exposed, and the utopia of saffron-white-green intermix will be back with flying colours! Js & EJs will feel free once again w/o intervention of gora-power, & namazis will no more feel the menacing pinch of bhakts. serious answer.
:)) (khushi ke aansu)
Sachin wrote:"Nothing worth reporting sir . Open the news report you have shared, it has a photo of this "revolutionary" speaking. Check whose image you see behind him . These are people who are the local Keralite urban naxal gangs, with very limited fan following. There has always been an attempt to show case Islam as an "egalitarian religion", and many have fallen for that as well. A similar chap had died two weeks back, and his relatives (Hindus) did the cremation the Hindu way. I remember reading that in such cases Muslim organisations are unable to stake a claim on the dead bodies (of a person who converted) mainly because GoKL does NOT have an authorised official who can formally endorse such conversions."
allah (sw)ta'ala ka shukr hai!

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:53 am

truly inspiring.
How to face tough questions from #journalists

https://twitter.com/faridque/status/1051851264378720258

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Post by crams » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:21 pm

Guys, doesn't BJP have any it-vitty folks, or even some friend in Bollywood to be able to dig up some 'metoo' dirt on the Khan Honchos: Aaamir, Salma, Sharukh, and Saif Ali (guy who named his son Taimur after the Mughal barbarian)? Seeing their public brash behavior, I cannot believe they haven't done their share of groping. Moreover, the Saif dude bashed the crap out of some poor bloke in a bar like the thug that he is, and got away with it. Are these guys 'sacred cows' for the metoo Bimbos?

Reason I am bringing this up is that should one or more of these Lutyen heartthrobs be put on the dock, 'metoo' will die an instant death and the hounding of BJP will stop.

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Post by Sachin » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:45 pm

crams wrote:Seeing their public brash behavior, I cannot believe they haven't done their share of groping. Moreover, the Saif dude bashed the crap out of some poor bloke in a bar like the thug that he is, and got away with it. Are these guys 'sacred cows' for the metoo Bimbos?
"MeToo" campaign is basically against "spent bullets", i.e old fellows who now do not have the clout to hit back. The characters you mention still have a strong control on Bhaiwood. And movie industry being a glorified form of the world's oldest profession, people involved there would still keep quiet hoping that trio at Bhaiwood's pleasure would be required for them to grow. I do not have any respect for this industry which has no work ethics or any sense of morality. Mean while the MeToo charade has hit the Kerala movie industry too, with again the cheer leaders being jobless actresses. And none of the "super stars" are being targetted, but a few shady characters - who tried to show a "progressive secular image" - has got hit :lol:.
Reason I am bringing this up is that should one or more of these Lutyen heartthrobs be put on the dock, 'metoo' will die an instant death and the hounding of BJP will stop.
For BJP, this MeToo is nothing. Other than M.J Akbar who is associated with the party? Where as it is the shady characters in main stream media, "intellectual circles" and Bhaiwood which is getting exposed. The BJP has got serious business to look into - Two Congress MLAs resign in Goa; party strength down to 14. And while that is in Goa, check the next report.Congress gets less votes if I campaign, give speeches: Digvijaya Singh

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Post by KJo » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:22 pm

Over the hill 40+ (sorry Singha) actresses now want in on the metoo game.

Basically she says that while shooting a movie with Nawazuddin Siddiqui, the director made her take her saree off and get on top of NAwaz and do dutty dutty things with him. She refused saying she only had a petticoat on inside (so?). So they began to argue. Nawaz quietly sat there and watched them come to a conclusion or agreement. So #metoo Nawazuddin for not standing up for her! :rotfl: :rotfl:

Chitrangada Singh Shares Her #MeToo Story, Says Nawazuddin Didn’t Take A Stand For Her When She Was Harassed 2 Years Ago
https://www.indiatimes.com/entertainmen ... 54851.html
Once again, talking about the incident to Bollywood Hungama, Chitrangda Singh said that Nawazuddin Siddiqui didn’t take a stand for her. She said instead of extending support to her, he waited for the storm to blow over. :)) :)) :))
I don't like Nawaz and he seems very sticky and icky but he is innocent here. Why should he fight someone else's battles?

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:33 pm

KJo wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:22 pm
Over the hill 40+ (sorry Singha) actresses now want in on the metoo game.

Basically she says that while shooting a movie with Nawazuddin Siddiqui, the director made her take her saree off and get on top of NAwaz and do dutty dutty things with him. She refused saying she only had a petticoat on inside (so?). So they began to argue. Nawaz quietly sat there and watched them come to a conclusion or agreement. So #metoo Nawazuddin for not standing up for her! :rotfl: :rotfl:

Chitrangada Singh Shares Her #MeToo Story, Says Nawazuddin Didn’t Take A Stand For Her When She Was Harassed 2 Years Ago
https://www.indiatimes.com/entertainmen ... 54851.html

I don't like Nawaz and he seems very sticky and icky but he is innocent here. Why should he fight someone else's battles?
She was being told to lie on top of him with nothing but her petticoat on. The guy would have been praying really hard for the director to convince her.

Why in the world would he, or anyone else for that matter, try and stop such a thing from happening??

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Post by fanne » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:01 pm

Mughals enforced two laws with long term consequences -1) Ban Sanskrit as medium of education/court dealing and 2)Ban weapons from common (read Hindu) hands. They also destroyed numerous temple (and rename places) and converted beside it. One minor step has been taken to turn the tide today. Let's not miss the big picture though.

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Post by Raj Malhotra » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:08 pm

There is already allegation against Salman Khan & Bros of Rape but everyone in main stream media studiously avoiding it.

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:19 pm

Raj Malhotra wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:08 pm
There is already allegation against Salman Khan & Bros of Rape but everyone in main stream media studiously avoiding it.

The greedy media is wary of losing their champagne party invitations and other perks that producers and financiers routinely send their way including fetching company, male or female, to ward off boredom.

Ad revenue may also suffer if the khans start to act up.

At least two of the khans are powerful enough to make or break any actor/actress/producer/director/exhibitor merely on their say so.

So, the media will be very circumspect.

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Post by Supratik » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:41 pm

We are watching history being made. Yogi cabinet initiates Prayagraj renaming process. Hope other BJP govts grow balls and start renaming places to their original names.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/a ... 2018-10-16

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Post by crams » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:48 pm

Among all the excellent judgments that the recently retd SC judge Deepak Mishra gave, this Sabrimala verdict stands out as a gross error of judgement. I mean why the f!ck does SC need to be involved in something like this Sabrimila temple not allowing menstruating women? I mean, technically, yes, it violates fundamental rights of some women wanting to enter Sabrimila. However, the faith of is so deep, and this includes millions of women who support non entry of women. Furthermore, I doubt even one of these f!king useless women who filed the petition to enter are real devotees. And I am not even sure how many Mallu women who are much closer to the Sabrimilla tradition even care two hoots. This whole thing is led by a bunch Lutyen Bimbos. The SC should have stayed out instead of butting in and creating so many fissures. I am worried this could get out of hand, and pretty soon, it becomes a North India Vs South India thing.

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Post by fanne » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:19 pm

Why does it discriminate against women?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:29 pm

There is no point in blaming SC. SC is going to look at only gender justice and gender equality. Muslims can claim TT, nikah halala have religious approval but SC will strike them down on the same basis. It is upto the legislature to decide what is right or wrong. This particular temple has a unique feature which genuine devotees will understand and respect. This petition is led by the urban naxals. As their political space is shrinking their ability to destroy Hindus and Hinduism is also shrinking. This is their way of hitting back. Far better reforms are things like priesthood for women, non-Brahmins, etc. These are genuine reforms.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by srikumar » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:25 am

Actually, I do think SC can be 'blamed' for taking up this case when it did. With thousands of cases pending before the SC, it is very curious why they picked this one. I dont think they go by the date of filing.

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