The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by KJo » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:40 am

MJ Akbar accused of harassment.

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Post by Supratik » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:03 pm

Will there be a BJP-AIADMK alliance?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 112930.cms

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Post by crams » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:46 pm

With the strike on M.J.Akbar, the metoo Bimbo slaves in India can now claim their campaign is 'secular'. What a bloody joke. I give this crap at most another month before this slavish spectacle dies a natural death.

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:11 pm

crams wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:46 pm
With the strike on M.J.Akbar, the metoo Bimbo slaves in India can now claim their campaign is 'secular'. What a bloody joke. I give this crap at most another month before this slavish spectacle dies a natural death.
I have a feeling that this is slowing going higher. It may be targeting the PM.

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Post by chetak » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:14 pm

Major Revamp Of India’s National Security Architecture


Major Revamp Of India’s National Security Architecture

Nitin A. Gokhale New Delhi, India 9 October 2018



Three Deputy National Security Advisers. A Military Adviser. Reconstituted Strategic Policy Group. A dedicated think tank to monitor and assess China across the spectrum. Formation of Defence Planning Committee (DPC). Additional budget for the National Security Council Secretariat (NSCS). India’s national security architecture is being transformed to meet current and future challenges.

The changes—some announced, some shrouded in official secrecy—are outcomes of the review of the national security structure ordered by the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) last year. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, sources say, felt there were too many silos in the system with no arrangement to take a comprehensive view on national security. The review, completed in mid-2018, has now led to these changes.

Appointment of two more deputy national security advisers, as opposed to just one in the earlier structure, is part of a major restructuring. Accordingly, former chief of the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) Rajinder Khanna will look after external and technical intelligence matters, Indian Foreign Service (IFS) officer, former Ambassador to Russia Pankaj Saran is entrusted with handling diplomatic affairs and RN Ravi, former Intelligence Bureau officer and interlocutor for Naga talks, has been assigned to oversee internal security matters. Ravi was Chairman of Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) until last week, when he was re-designated Deputy National Security Adviser. Khanna and Saran were already Deputy NSAs.

The three Deputy NSAs will now widen the scope and responsibility of the National Security Council Secretariat (NSCS), which works directly under National Security Adviser (NSA) Ajit Doval, arguably Prime Minister Modi’s closest confidant on foreign and security policies. Doval, a former career intelligence officer—like Ravi and Khanna—has been NSA and Special Representative for talks with China since 2014. His remit has steadily increased since then and so has the budget of the NSCS. From a measly Rs 39.9 crore (actual expenditure) in 2016-17, its budget was increased to Rs 333.58 crore in 2017-18 although it could only spend Rs 168 crore at the end of the financial year 2017-18. However, for the current financial year (2018-19) it has again been allotted Rs 303.83 crore. With increase in its mandate, the NSCS will likely need more funds in coming years.

Along with the division of responsibility in the NSCS, the government has also reconstituted the Strategic Policy Group (SPG), a body that has existed since 1999 (appointed by the Vajpayee government a month before the Kargil conflict began). It was earlier headed by the Cabinet Secretary. In a partial but significant amendment to the original Office Memorandum, the SPG will now be led by the NSA, with the Cabinet Secretary and Vice-Chairman of NITI Aayog becoming members of the group. Like in its earlier avatar, it will also have the three service chiefs, the intelligence chiefs, secretaries of defence, home, finance, atomic energy, defence research and development, revenue, space, and governor of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) as members. The NSA will have the power to co-opt any other official and department as and when needed while the Cabinet Secretary will ensure coordination and implementation of decisions taken by the SPG.

In another concurrent development, a National Security Strategy document is now ready to be presented for discussion at the highest level. Those in the know say at least three versions of a National Security Strategy have been attempted in the past but none of them was either approved or released for public consumption. Despite some indications earlier this year that the Modi government may put out some elements of the National Security Strategy in the public domain, sources say, the Prime Minister has now ruled against making any part of the document public.

Another development that has largely gone unnoticed is the formation of a China-specific, MEA-run and funded think tank. Called the Centre for Contemporary China Studies (CCCS), the new entity will only study China from an Indian point of view. Manned by serving officers drawn from the MEA, the three armed forces, the Intelligence Bureau, the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) and other relevant ministries and departments, CCCS will prepare reports and undertake specific studies on China at the behest of different government departments to provide real-time policy inputs to the decision-makers dealing with China. So, for instance, the CCCS can be asked to provide quick inputs by the Commerce Ministry on the impact of U.S. trade sanctions against China and the likely advantage that can accrue to India. Or recommend a future course of action in India’s (largely positive) relationship with North Korea post the Trump-Kim summit. The CCCS’ governing body is headed by the External Affairs Minister and the NSA is the deputy chairman.

Coupled with the formation of the Defence Planning Committee (DPC) earlier this year, and the recent approval given by the Prime Minister to formation of three tri-services agencies—to create a join structure for cyber, space and special operations across the three armed forces—the new focus on restructuring the national security architecture has never been more intense. Like the SPG and NSCS, the DPC is headed by NSA Doval, inviting charges of too much concentration of power in the hands of one person. No matter what critics say, recent decisions are a clear indication that the Prime Minister has entrusted his NSA to evolve a comprehensive roadmap and get it implemented. The arrangement also has pitfalls: Doval already has too much on his plate (dealing with Pakistan, China, U.S. and Russia for instance), heading the nuclear command authority and handling the overall security situation. Now to expect him to deliver on these crucial issues looks a challenging task. However, as a trusted man of the Prime Minister, the NSA has the necessary authority lacking in earlier structures that had suggested reforms and roadmaps to bring India’s national security architecture up to speed.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:35 pm

chetak wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:11 pm

I have a feeling that this is slowing going higher. It may be targeting the PM.
No doubt about it. Like a well programmed robot, Congoon Manish Tiwari in his bloody annoying accent is already demanding PM Modiji 'speak up'. This 'speak up' crap is another borrowed cliche from west.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Haldiram » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:13 pm

I personally think #metooIndia is a good thing to have happened. Does not matter if it runs out of steam in a month time or sooner. Important thing is that a beginning has been made. Henceforth all prospective sexual harasser and molesters will have to think twice before committing the act since now the specter of getting exposed will loom large and with that also the prospect of getting legally prosecuted. If overall the net effect is that the incidence of sexual harassment and sexual molestation of women in workplace goes down then #metooIndia will have serve at least some purpose.

Work for the ladies is not over though, particularly in a country like India where patriarchy runs deep, and men are more likely to behave like Kauravas than Pandavas.

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Post by Kabir » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:58 pm

Haldiram wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:13 pm
I personally think #metooIndia is a good thing to have happened. Does not matter if it runs out of steam in a month time or sooner. Important thing is that a beginning has been made. Henceforth all prospective sexual harasser and molesters will have to think twice before committing the act since now the specter of getting exposed will loom large and with that also the prospect of getting legally prosecuted. If overall the net effect is that the incidence of sexual harassment and sexual molestation of women in workplace goes down then #metooIndia will have serve at least some purpose.

Work for the ladies is not over though, particularly in a country like India where patriarchy runs deep, and men are more likely to behave like Kauravas than Pandavas.
agree with you saar, the only problem is C-system will drive political mileage out of this and most Indian women don't use twitter and have no idea about #metoo. I hope the government instead takes notice and instead of speaking up channelises this outrage and courage into something more concrete at the ground level. At present all outrage and exposure is at the media, corporate and social media level by which very few real indian women are affected. Something of a real issue for Maneka Gandhi to look at finally.

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Post by Kabir » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:01 pm

Besides its a double edged sword which needs to be used carefully as the BIF will jump to the opportunity to permanently stamp the 'Hindu man' as a serial pervert, rapist and what not behind this patriarchy.

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Post by srikumar » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:40 pm

^^^Quite Possibly.

Reminds me of the 'Hindu Male' comment from a St.Stephens (?) student asked of Christine Lagarde (Head of IMF) in an NDTV interview held in a college in Delhi. She asked if all the development benefits would go to the 'Hindu male'.... (like it was a species of animal or something). It was prefaced with words like patriarchy and communalism. Even Christine Lagarde was taken aback at the question.

The student was ably supported and egged on by our very own Prannoy Roy who was the interviewer. This was in 2015.

https://youtu.be/FsmyowXjS2E

Added later: Prannoy Roy applauded the question. (Some in the audience may have applauded too).

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Post by hanumadu » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:55 am

Kabir wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:58 pm
Haldiram wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:13 pm
I personally think #metooIndia is a good thing to have happened. Does not matter if it runs out of steam in a month time or sooner. Important thing is that a beginning has been made. Henceforth all prospective sexual harasser and molesters will have to think twice before committing the act since now the specter of getting exposed will loom large and with that also the prospect of getting legally prosecuted. If overall the net effect is that the incidence of sexual harassment and sexual molestation of women in workplace goes down then #metooIndia will have serve at least some purpose.

Work for the ladies is not over though, particularly in a country like India where patriarchy runs deep, and men are more likely to behave like Kauravas than Pandavas.
agree with you saar, the only problem is C-system will drive political mileage out of this and most Indian women don't use twitter and have no idea about #metoo.
You are complaining to a person who would love to see this happen.

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Post by crams » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:56 am

Haldiram wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:13 pm
I personally think #metooIndia is a good thing to have happened. Does not matter if it runs out of steam in a month time or sooner. Important thing is that a beginning has been made. Henceforth all prospective sexual harasser and molesters will have to think twice before committing the act since now the specter of getting exposed will loom large and with that also the prospect of getting legally prosecuted. If overall the net effect is that the incidence of sexual harassment and sexual molestation of women in workplace goes down then #metooIndia will have serve at least some purpose.

Work for the ladies is not over though, particularly in a country like India where patriarchy runs deep, and men are more likely to behave like Kauravas than Pandavas.
Boss, lets not display the naivety of boy/girl scouts over here. Over here, we understand the real world. This metoo crap, especially its cheap counterfeit version in India has nothing to do with genuine women empowerment to fight harassment. Its by a bunch of elite westernized deracinated Bimbos (most likely who hate being Hindu) to get their 15 minutes of fame, and Congoons and BIF combine making this out to be a "Hindu" thing to go after BJP.

By all means I support women's empowerment. Lets leave the morality aside for a moment, I mean women constitute 50% of the population, and imagine if they were given an equal stake without harassment and discrimination, how much the country's productivity and GDP would grow? And I can bet you, there are Indian men and women fighting for this cause or even living the cause much before 'metoo' and it will exist much after 'metoo'. And it is these down to earth raw issues average Indian women face that needs to be tacked, not some Bimbo who claims her butt was squeezed by some some jack ass years ago and were silent and benefited from that environment, and now jumping on the 'metoo' crap that white women have started for their own power struggles with white men.

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Post by Sachin » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:48 am

crams wrote:With the strike on M.J.Akbar, the metoo Bimbo slaves in India can now claim their campaign is 'secular'. What a bloody joke. I give this crap at most another month before this slavish spectacle dies a natural death.
Haldiram wrote:Henceforth all prospective sexual harasser and molesters will have to think twice before committing the act since now the specter of getting exposed will loom large and with that also the prospect of getting legally prosecuted.
The MeToo campaign too would just die a natural death. Mainly because the campaigners are those set of women who have been sitting in "ivory towers" for a very long time. They get media coverage, but the common people have far more serious stuff to spend their time on. Secondly, none of these cases are ever going to be taken up in the judicial courts. Because they have happened years back and no material evidence can now be produced. But name & shame tactics would work, but again for a limited time.

The movie business is generally one of the vilest business out there. They act on the screen and act in real life as well. Many people who now complain about harassment etc., would have just ignored it if what ever they wanted to get from movie industry was provided for them. There are poor women who are harassed, but there are also n number of women who would be willing to stoop down to any levels provided their immediate goals are met. This is very similar to the misuse of Sec 498A IPC.

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Post by JohnTitor » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:28 am

Looks like our great judiciary wants to get in on the me too campaign, albeit a different one.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/sc-see ... 144795.cms

Yes, great idea, let's make everything public. Who needs national security anyway. Idiots don't want to work where it is needed but want to butt in elsewhere

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Post by Sachin » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:33 am

JohnTitor wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:28 am
Yes, great idea, let's make everything public. Who needs national security anyway. Idiots don't want to work where it is needed but want to butt in elsewhere
The report mentions "The SC bench also clarified that it does not want information on pricing and technical details of the Rafale deal". So looks like all GoI needs is to give a clarification and that the due processes have been followed. My gut feeling is that this case would actually help BJP get out of the allegations even quicker.

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Post by Primus » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:33 am

Haldiram wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:13 pm
I personally think #metooIndia is a good thing to have happened. Does not matter if it runs out of steam in a month time or sooner. Important thing is that a beginning has been made. Henceforth all prospective sexual harasser and molesters will have to think twice before committing the act since now the specter of getting exposed will loom large and with that also the prospect of getting legally prosecuted. If overall the net effect is that the incidence of sexual harassment and sexual molestation of women in workplace goes down then #metooIndia will have serve at least some purpose.

Work for the ladies is not over though, particularly in a country like India where patriarchy runs deep, and men are more likely to behave like Kauravas than Pandavas.
I agree with you to some extent. There is no doubt that women in India are often exploited and harassed. Most of these complaints do not see the light of day. SHQ used to travel in the buses in Delhi and told me horror stories of how women were groped and molested beyond belief - the more crowded the bus the worse it was. Strangely this phenomenon was and perhaps still is, unknown in Hyderabad, Madras or Calcutta because the local public would beat up any such 'eve-teasers'. So there is a cultural side to it also.

However, the kind of sexual predation implied in the #metoo movement, - where a powerful, sex hungry man can literally rape a woman without her being able to complain about it - generally happens where the woman gains something in return. When does a willing act on the casting couch become rape? There is no end to the stories of both women AND men who have been forced to trade sexual favors for a lucrative role or job. The problem is not limited to women alone, it just happens in any relationship where one person is immensely powerful and is in a position to exert a profound influence on another person's life. Just see the anecdotes listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_couch

IMHO, this is not going to do much if anything to prevent these cases, the predators will be a bit more careful that's all. The other side of the coin is that anybody with an agenda is now going to pop up and accuse anybody of sexual misconduct. A precedent has been established.

Finally, I have always objected to the suggestion that the problem is unique or particularly widespread in India because of our patriarchal society. This tends to put the blame on the Indian men while absolving the women in general. My contention is that it is the doting mother who pampers her "Raja Beta" and prevents him from developing any sense of social responsibility who is equally to blame. There are significant double standards that exist in the Indian society where the mothers will teach their daughters but allow their sons to learn from their own peers with disastrous consequences. This is not going to change any time soon. Having said that, it is indeed a man's world everywhere and women have a much more difficult time of it. That too will not change much, it has been this way since we were in Africa. As long as women are objectified as possessions and are willing to let themselves pose in skimpy clothes to sell cars or whatever, this will continue. IMHO they are part of the problem too......

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Post by Supratik » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:45 pm

This Hindu men as lecherous and sexual perverts comes from colonial days and is currently promoted by the Urban Naxal - EJ gangs. If you go by rape rates India is much safer than many western countries. If you go by lifestyle (passing from one bed to another) Indian women are much safer than women in the west. Having said that there will be some molesters/rapists in most societies and we should deal with them. Not make generalized untruthful comments about safety of women in India.

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Post by Primus » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:44 pm

Supratik wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:45 pm
This Hindu men as lecherous and sexual perverts comes from colonial days and is currently promoted by the Urban Naxal - EJ gangs. If you go by rape rates India is much safer than many western countries. If you go by lifestyle (passing from one bed to another) Indian women are much safer than women in the west. Having said that there will be some molesters/rapists in most societies and we should deal with them. Not make generalized untruthful comments about safety of women in India.
After the Nirbhaya incident there was a movie made by the Brishits called 'India's Daughter' and all the Lutyens and libtaards started screaming about Indian men being the worst kind on the planet. Nobody raised the issue of the horrors of the Rotherham Grooming scandal that had been suppressed by the Brishits themselves for so many years. Since then every few months this business of India being a rapist country and Indian (read Hindu) all being rapists rears its ugly head in the media. My own family, sadly my own daughter has asked me about this as the only news she gets to see is what the NYT and WaPo types put out. Everyone ignores every incident perpetrated by the Peacefuls and EJs, but the moment the perp is an alleged Hindu, all hell breaks loose again. RInse and repeat, ad nauseam. Frankly, I am getting sick of this.

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Post by Sunny » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:34 pm

KJo wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:40 am
MJ Akbar accused of harassment.
6 separate allegations now.

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Post by KJo » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:06 pm

I think Modi needs to call an emergency meeting with MJ Akbar to discuss these.
If he is guilty then he should resign immediately.

I don't hear anything from the Govt on this.

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Post by sbajwa » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:12 pm

crams wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:01 pm
Guys, anybody share any antecedents of this latest Lutyen mafia's hearth-throb Harvard prof and now appointed to IIMF, Gita Gopianth? This Uncle Tom prik Sadanand Dhume has some glowing op-ed of her in WSJ saying such 'genuineness' will be unwelcome by ModiJi govt. Now, I must admit, I don't know much about her achievements. From the few articles I read since her appointment to IMF, she disses Demo and in general ModiJi. And last but not the least, she is married to someone who has a p!sfull name, whether he is Indian or Paki I don't know. Not to blindly beat up on a p!sfful, but the very fact that she has a p!ssful husband would make her a starlet in Lutyen's India.
Her husband is named Iqbal Dhaliwal. Dhaliwal is very common last name for Sikh Jats. Many Sikhs have Iqbal as their name.

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Post by Supratik » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:18 pm

Most of the allegations if true suggests that MJ Akbar was an unprofessional man. They are alleging he had "sexual motives" using different anecdotes. Some are alleging they were professionally victimized for not playing along. These are hard to prove. I think only one has complained of groping. I was wondering when this stuff will start taking a political direction.

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Post by Supratik » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Also remember MJ Akbar is a turncoat. He left the Urban naxal, secular, leftist camp. So will be a traitor in their eyes. But he is a political lightweight and can easily be dumped if things get hot.

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Post by KJo » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:52 pm

sbajwa wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:12 pm
crams wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:01 pm
Guys, anybody share any antecedents of this latest Lutyen mafia's hearth-throb Harvard prof and now appointed to IIMF, Gita Gopianth? This Uncle Tom prik Sadanand Dhume has some glowing op-ed of her in WSJ saying such 'genuineness' will be unwelcome by ModiJi govt. Now, I must admit, I don't know much about her achievements. From the few articles I read since her appointment to IMF, she disses Demo and in general ModiJi. And last but not the least, she is married to someone who has a p!sfull name, whether he is Indian or Paki I don't know. Not to blindly beat up on a p!sfful, but the very fact that she has a p!ssful husband would make her a starlet in Lutyen's India.
Her husband is named Iqbal Dhaliwal. Dhaliwal is very common last name for Sikh Jats. Many Sikhs have Iqbal as their name.
bajwaji, it is Iqbal Singh Dhaliwal.

https://www.povertyactionlab.org/dhaliwal
Iqbal Singh Dhaliwal is the Executive Director of J-PAL, based at the economics department of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He works with the Board of Directors to develop the organization’s strategic vision, and with the leadership of the six regional offices to coordinate J-PAL’s worldwide research, policy outreach, capacity building, and operations. He is also the Co-Scientific Director of J-PAL’s South Asia regional office, Co-Chair of the Government Partnership Initiative, and Co-Chair of the Innovations in Data, Experiments and Action (IDEA) Initiative. He is a board member of J-PAL, of the NGO Noora Health and an advisory board member of the NGO Evidence Action.
Pure Sardar onlee. :)

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Post by Sunny » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:22 pm

Supratik wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:18 pm
Most of the allegations if true suggests that MJ Akbar was an unprofessional man. They are alleging he had "sexual motives" using different anecdotes. Some are alleging they were professionally victimized for not playing along. These are hard to prove. I think only one has complained of groping. I was wondering when this stuff will start taking a political direction.
Most of the allegations suggest he’s a bit of a pervert who used his position of power to try and get women into bed. Immoral yes but criminal no.

However if there’s any more of the groping type/more serious allegations I think the government will dump him.

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