The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:11 pm

Supratik wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:34 pm
There are no talks. There is a meeting of EAM in a multi-lateral forum.
sushmaji is no paki born partition refugee like MMS who was played upon like a fine violin by the paki press and the paki army backed establishment which resulted in an eager but inexperienced Manmohan Singh"s major blunder on Balochistan at sharm el sheik.

She will run rings around this pakjabi queereshi guy and completely control the meeting, without giving anything away or agreeing to anything of substance until the pakis stop terrorism. This being the official Indian position from the days of yore.

Chai, biskoot and some punjabi pleasantries and the meeting is done.

And you can bet that sushma ji will bring up the very recent mutilation of one of our bravehearts by their BAT team just to push queereshi on the defensive and keep him on the backfoot.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:23 pm

@crams,

You are stretching it like an elastic. Even at times of war there have been contacts between India and Pak. The current meeting is in response to an invitation by Imran Khan. This is no "talk" talk. And the details are not known. So wait till you hang Modi-Doval.

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Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:39 pm

ANI Verified account @ANI

Bangladesh Cabinet has approved use of its Chattogram&Mongla ports for Indian shipments to north-eastern states of India. Priority will be given according to the capacity of the ports. Bangladesh will also collect customs duties & transport costs according to the GATT principles.
12:40 AM - 18 Sep 2018

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Lilo » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:10 pm

Suraj wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:26 pm
Haldiram wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:08 pm
Not looking good for Jaitley, even Subramanian Swamy is getting on his case.
Subramanian Swamy Verified account @Swamy39 8h8 hours ago
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We have now two undeniable facts on the Mallya escape issue: 1. Look Out Notice was diluted on Oct 24, 2015 from “Block” to “Report” departure enabling Mallya to depart with 54 checked luggage items. 2. Mallya told FM in Central Hall of Parliament that he was leaving for London.

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I may be late posting this, but it's worth pointing out that as of Oct 24 2015, Mallya was STILL a Rajya Sabha MP. He did not resign until mid 2016. It's entirely reasonable for the government to expect a sitting MP to have enough sense to not become a fugitive economic offender.

It's all well to claim in retrospect that GoI should have magically considered Mallya will run off and hide in UK back then, while still running UB, KF etc and still an active MP. How many of us would have also guessed that ?
My nose for these things suggests that mallya likely left India with promise to personally round up the receivables due and or find buyers from abroad and somehow save his highly "branded" companies in india from being liquidated for peanuts in a firesale - the pressure from overseas sugardaddies and even internal lenders invested in him too would have contributed to GOI to give him this chance. Maynot be easily palatable but that is how govts and lenders work.
He now failed to make good and is now an economic offender and his assets in India are going to be speedily liquidated with that tag struck on his head.
Since he failed, he is definitely going to be brought back as probably certain diplomatic promises would have been extracted from the brishits(as done with the italians in the italian marines case) while sending him to the financial capital of the world.

Again my guess is he likely wont be facing any substantial jail time in India when he returns but he will be facing a lengthy trial and loss of face to sufficiently deter future "adventurers" mismanaging borrowed public funds. Because as opposed to nirav modi or choksi he has not exactly done a 420 fraud on Indian system and ultimately the GOI of any persuation doesnt want the optics of an A-lister capitalist sitting in jail while it simultaneously begs for private investment and FDI from abroad to keep India's economic engine running.

SuSu knowing well how govts operate is as usual rallying the cretin swamytards to target jetli and modi in coordination with the congies.
There is a huge gap between the indian public perception on how govts supposedly operate and how actually govts operate. Both the MYTY traitors like susu and sikular congies are utilizing this gap(one can call it the "gap of hypocrisy") in the perception and the reality in the actual tire meets the road situation in executive decisions to drum up dissatisfaction on the modi sarkaar - which has acted fully placing India's interests first upto this point in the Mallaya issue.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:32 pm

so this "firebrand" hypocrite leader eats while fasting or fasts while eating?? :mrgreen:


After refusing blood and urine tests, Hardik Patel now not letting doctors weigh him: reports

After refusing blood and urine tests, Hardik Patel now not letting doctors weigh him: reports
ByOpIndia Staff

September 7, 2018

Congress-supported PAAS (Patidar Anamat Andolan Samiti) leader Hardik Patel, who has been on a fast since past 13 days has now refused to let the doctors weight him, reports DeshGujarat.com. He has been refusing to let doctors take blood and urine tests since last three days. PK Solanki, a doctor at Sola Civil Hospital, has said that Hardik has not allowed his team to take blood and urine samples after 30th August. Even prior to that, he allowed the samples to be taken only twice. However, Patel did let allow the blood pressure and pulse rate to be measured.

Following his indefinite fast, reports have emerged that despite not having food, Hardik Patel has actually gained weight. Hardik is reportedly consuming water and fruits in his fast.

The doctors believe that the blood and urine samples will give them a clarity regarding the health status of Hardik Patel and other complications arising out of his fast.


Geeta Patel a PAAS leader, has reportedly stated that there were major discrepancies in results of Hardik’s blood tests done by the government doctors and private laboratories. She stated that while government lab results cited all reports to be normal, private laboratories results have pointed to complications. Hardik Patel’s associates have said that they fear that the government might forcefully admit him to the hospital to end his fast claiming his vital organs are damaging.

Hardik Patel, who was once the face of Patidar agitation in Gujarat, is now convicted for causing riots in Mehasana. Hardik Patel has been found guilty of charges related to arson and creating a ruckus at the office of BJP MLA Rushikesh Patel. He is also accused of large-scale violence in the state of Gujarat during the 2015 Patidar Andolan seeking reservations for Patidar community. A sedition case is also going on against him in an Ahmedabad court.

Interestingly, Gujarat Congress, which had earlier supported Jignesh Mevani in the 2017 state assembly elections, has come out in support of Hardik and announced a 1 day fast in solidarity with Hardik. Notably, in April this year, Congress President Rahul Gandhi had also pioneered ‘rapid fasting‘ by fasting for a few hours between 11 am to 4 pm. Congress leaders, including Delhi Pradesh Congress Committee President Ajay Maken had feasted on chhole bhature before going on the ‘symbolic’ fast.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:54 am

UP cops call media to watch and film ‘real encounter'..
I don't know how much would this be of help to GoUP and the UP Police. The "human right" champs can use this video in their fight against the police. And the two people who are shot dead are from a minority community (take a guess ;) ), involved in the death of six people, two of them being Hindu Sadhus. And don't know if this was also an attempt to clearly spread the message among the common people of UP; that the Govt. means business.
Supratik wrote:Mayawati may not align with INC for upcoming assembly elections or maybe bargaining hard.
She has signalled it by aligning with Ajit Jogi in Jharkhand. The Mahathugbandhan will not be an easy game for "seculars".
chetak wrote:Bhim Army founder Chandrashekhar who has been in prison since his arrest in June last year, was released from Saharanpur jail early Friday
Is'nt this same group also involved in the Bhima-Koregaon riots? And there were some rumours of this organisation now clearly under control of EJs. The "urban naxals" may be the ones who are the bridge between them and EJs. So don't know if this would be really helping "communal forces".
Lilo wrote:Since he failed, he is definitely going to be brought back as probably certain diplomatic promises would have been extracted from the brishits(as done with the italians in the italian marines case) while sending him to the financial capital of the world.
The Italian Marines have got out 100% clean is what I heard. The case is not going any where, the Marines are back in Italy and are now still in service. Don't know if any compensation have reached the families of the dead fishermen. Even at the very start the church had tried to get some "blood money" paid and scuttle the case (thus saving the Italian Marines). And in KL, this is now a forgotten case. Even the most die-hard "seculars" are not taunting Modi for not getting the marines to India ;) :).

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Post by Triank » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:04 am

Sachin wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:54 am
chetak wrote:Bhim Army founder Chandrashekhar who has been in prison since his arrest in June last year, was released from Saharanpur jail early Friday
Is'nt this same group also involved in the Bhima-Koregaon riots? And there were some rumours of this organisation now clearly under control of EJs. The "urban naxals" may be the ones who are the bridge between them and EJs. So don't know if this would be really helping "communal forces".
I don't think. that 'raavan' army is limited to UP, no? there is one 'elgaar parishad' which had organized that festival of safety valve prior the riots. I was in the city a day or two before that, and had spotted a banner of this parishad, and was quick to snap a photo of it to share on SM, as it had the names of all the scum you'd associate with safety valve manufacturing. ofcourse, I had no idea what dissentry was going to be spread.

P.S. - I read this bhim army was recently thrashed by sullams in UP when they were protesting against something & were near a mosque. bhim-meme ekta zindabad!

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Post by chetak » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:43 am

Subramanian Swamy Verified account @Swamy39

At the behest of TDK, PC sent a message in 2019 during final battle, to Chief Eli Prabhakaran to await Indian Navy to come to rescue him. Navy did come it but it was of Sri Lanka. Chief Eli then walked out the jungle into the beach thinking it was India’s. Hence was killed
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by la.khan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:57 pm

Imran Khan writes to Narendra Modi: Pakistan laughing at India's pussyfooting as NDA repeats UPA's mistakes
If the government had any spunk, it would have told Imran, “In view of the recent abduction, torture and killing of our BSF jawan by Pakistani troops and your government issuing commemorative stamps for Pakistan-supported terrorists killed in Jammu and Kashmir, the time is not yet ripe for the foreign ministers to meet. The NSAs of the two countries have been talking. Our policy stands: Terror must end before talks”
How long did the talk of talks last before pakis had to scratch that terror itch?
'True face of Imran revealed': MEA calls off talks between India and Pakistan, cites killing of police, Burhan Wani stamps

The GoI/NaMo/BJP did just that. Prakash Katoch sahib got what he asked for :twisted: So much for talks, western pressure, optics, samosa, chai, pani, biskoot!

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COMCASA - The Bigger Picture
COMCASA - The Bigger Picture

Lt Gen (Dr) V K Saxena (Retd), PVSM,AVSM,VSM, Distinguished Fellow, VIF

September 19 , 2018

In the context of the signing of Communication Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA) between US and India on 06 Sep 2018 during the 2+2 dialogue1, this article attempts to analyse the bigger picture. In that, it traces the journey of consolidation of military-to-military (M2M) ties between United States (US) and India as seen in the context of defence procurements and examines the multiple dimensions of the strategic agreements between the two countries.


India and US ink COMCASA
https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&t ... &q=COMCASA)
To make a visible presence in an inventory of weapon and support systems with our defence forces that has had a predominant Russian (and erstwhile USSR) presence (up to around 67%), the US had to surmount many an obstacles. This journey of US is briefly chronicled.

The ‘NO-GO’ Stage

In the years around 1990-2010, the basic hurdle which the Americans faced was the incompatibility of their Foreign Military Sales (FMS) methodology for the sale of defence equipment to a foreign country. This procedure, which basically related to Government-to-Government (G2G) mode of sales was not covered in the successive Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) manuals governing India’s defence procurements. Resultantly, in our procurement procedures of initially seeking information (Request for Information or RFI), formulating Services Qualitative Requirements (SQRs), sending out Requests for Proposals (RFP), receiving bids, evaluating them, carrying out trials of selected equipment and going in for price and contract negotiations including offsets for the successfully trial evaluated equipment, kept the Americans out of the game, most of the times from the RFI stage itself.

The FMS had a different route of the buyer country putting in a letter of request (LOR), which upon a long chain of Government level clearances would finally result in a Letter of Acceptance (LOA). Since this was not in synch with the procedure being followed for bulk of the procurement cases, several US major Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) stayed out of many a high value lucrative procurement proposals; Very Short Range Air Defence Systems (VSHORADS) - Short Range/Quick Reaction/Medium Range Surface To Air Missiles (SRSAM/QRSAMs/MRSAMs), to name a few.

Then there was a huge issue of Transfer of Technology (ToT). The FMS system of sales mandated that the sale must be authorised by the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) and the sales may only be authorised when the US President made a determination that the prospective purchaser was ‘eligible’2. Under such stringent pathways, the most insurmountable hurdle used to be the US’ reluctance to share technology to the extent our defence eco-system was used to with the OEMs like Russia, Israel, France, UK etc.

The First Thaw Happens

Sensing the blank which the US was drawing in the Indian defence procurements largely because of differing bureaucratic processes and legal requirements, the then US Secretary of State, Mr Leon Panetta, directed the Deputy Secretary of Defence, Dr. Aston Charter in Dec 2012 to undertake an initiative with India to provide increased US senior level oversight and engagement to get beyond the obstacles. This initiative was referred to as Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI).

DTTI was not meant to be a treaty or a law; it was to be a flexible mechanism to ensure that senior leaders from both the countries were persistently focussed on the opportunities and challenges associated with growing the defence partnership. DTTI aimed to transform bilateral defence relationship into one that was limited only by independent strategic decisions, strengthen India's defence industrial base, explore new areas of technological collaboration and expand US-India bilateral ties. Later in the day, President Barack Obama and Prime Minister (PM) Modi would express their total support to DTTI in their meeting in Jan 20153.


Top Level Support to DTTI

https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&b ... initiative)
As successive DTTIs got underway, a feeling of thaw by way of easing out of the erstwhile ‘NO-GO’ stance of the US came to be noticed. They seemed to be more forthcoming as regards the willingness to sell and the willingness to part with technologies (of course with due clearances by the authorities that be) by taking part up-front in the procurement procedures.

One of the initial major deliberations related to the deal for G2G sale of 145 pieces of M 777 155/45 calibre ultra light howitzers. In this, not only the US later selected an Indian Partner (Mahindra Defence) for assembly Integration and Testing (AIT) of the weapon system, but also agreed for the Transfer of Capability ( TOC, i.e ToT plus) to Mahindra4. The deal for Rs, 5000 cr finally got signed in Dec 16.

The DTTI Gets Wings: M2M Ties Bloom

The thaw continued to get warmer as DTTI flourished and embraced more and more defence deals till it got a shot in the arm with the declaration of the Make-in-India initiative of the Indian Government announced on 25 Sep 2014. A new regime of joint development, joint production, buy back, joint ventures (JVs) and memoranda of understanding (MoU) was to take shape and take firm roots in the years to come, duly complemented by gradual coming of age of the private defence industry.

The DTTI took full advantage of the new enabling defence eco system and made the best of it in terms of defence sales, all on G2G basis. It bloomed out into seven joint working groups (JWG) to explore collaborative projects and programmes and two Science and Technology G2G Project agreements, the first one on next generation protective ensembles and the second on mobile hybrid power sources. The core defence deals climbed from $1 bn to over $ 15 bn in a matter of few years. 13 Lockheed Martin C 130 Hercules aircrafts, 10 C -17 Globemaster, 12 P-8 Poseidon aircraft from Boeing, 22 AH 64 Apache helicopters, 15 CH 47 Chinook helicopters, 145 M777 Howitzers, all contributed to push the figures northwards5. As to JVs, way back in 2012, Tata Advanced System Ltd (TASL) and Lockheed Martin established a JV to produce C 130 airframes components (50th empennage delivered in 2016). TASL also established a JV with M/s Sikorsky to produce S-92 helicopter cabins.


TASL-Lockheed Martin JV 2012

(Source: https: www.google. co.in/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=632&tbm =isch&sa=1&ei=iwaVW46qN8ao9QPnzYugDQ&q=TASL+JV+with+Lockheed+Martin)
Besides core defence deals, strategic handshake also took place between India and USA: the latter designated India as a Major Defence Partner (Dec 2016), a new Bilateral Maritime Security Dialogue was launched (Apr 2016), President Obama and PM Modi issued a Joint Strategic Vision for Asia Pacific and Indian Ocean Region (IOR) (Jun 2015), annual Exercise Malabar expanded to include Japan as a permanent member, India twice participated in Rim of the Pacific ( RIMPAC) exercises, Indian Air Force (IAF) resumed Exercise Red Flag, and India and US for the first time concluded a joint Peacekeeping Course. It is no wonder therefore that according to a report released by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), US arms exports to India jumped by a whopping 557 percent in the period 2013-17 as compared to the period 2008-12, thus making it India's second largest arms supplier.

It is in this high tide of bilateral relations that the strategic agreements between USA and India should be examined.

A Trio of Strategic Agreements

In order to build the basic ground work and promote interoperability between militaries by creating common standards and systems and to permit the sale and transfer of high-end technologies, US considers a trio of strategic agreements to be gone through with the country concerned. These are Logistic Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA), Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (COMCASA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Cooperation (BECA)6. A word about each follows.

LEMOA

LEMOA gives access to both countries to the designated military facilities on either side for the purpose of refuelling and replenishment. LEMOA essentially covers four areas, namely, port calls, joint exercises, training and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The agreement is not closed-ended, it can include any other requirement as agreeable to the two parties. That is to say, that logistic support for any other cooperative efforts could be provided on a case-to-case basis through mutual consent of parties consistent with their respective laws, regulations and policies. Payments are on cash or reciprocal provision of service basis7. LEMOA however does not include basing facilities of stationing/deploying assets or troops on each other's soil.

What are the fall outs of LEMOA? It gives a tremendous range and reach enhancement to the Indian Navy. For instance, its vessels operating anywhere in the international waters could get every logistic support from any of the US bases spread across the globe. The possible list for such a support is very comprehensive- food, billeting, water, medical services, transportation, petroleum, oils, lubricants, clothing, communication services, storage services, training services, spare parts, component repair and maintenance services, calibration services and port services. Not only for the Indian Navy, but also, for the entire Indian armed forces, LEMOA will significantly enhance their operational capacity in their response to humanitarian assistance, disaster relief and more. Take for instance, the multinational naval Exercise Malabar 2018 which was conducted in the Guam island in the Western Pacific. The US naval base at Guam stood as a firm base under LEMOA for all the above support for the Indian vessels since LEMOA based support is applicable for joint training, joint exercises, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.

While the LEMOA got signed in Aug 2016, a major fallout of this happened in Feb 2017 when Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group (ADAG) led Reliance Defence and Engineering Ltd (RDEL) signed a Master Ship Repair Agreement ( MSRA) with US Navy to provide repair and alteration service for the ships of the US Seventh Fleet consisting of some 100 vessels operating in the Western Pacific and IOR region at its Pipavav Shipyard. This was made possible under LEMOA. The magnitude of the deal can be assessed from the fact that the same is likely to generate in excess of 10,000 cr in revenue to RDEL in the next five years8.


RDEL signs warship repair deal with US Navy

(Source:https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&b ... +deal+with+ USA)
It is not that the logistic cooperation arrangements were not in place earlier. For instance, US was using Indian military bases for logistics during joint exercises but those arrangements were ad hoc and managed on case-to-case basis. In one-on-one terms, India will stand to gain more from LEMOA simply because of the fact that while US has bases spread all over the world, India's outreach in far seas is limited for want of any bases and agreements. LEMOA opens up new opportunities to extend our outreach not only in alien international waters, but also, in the indo pacific region itself (reference is to a possibility of use of US bases at Djibouti or Diego Garcia)9.

COMCASA

COMCASA is the India adapted version of standard strategic agreement called Communication and Information Security Memorandum of Understanding (CISMOA; Egypt is a signatory of CISMOA with US10). The signing of this foundational agreement provides a legal framework for the US to transfer high-end defence equipment to India that features encrypted communication network and enables optimal use of platforms employing such equipment.

As chronicled earlier, India in the recent past has procured large military platforms such as C 130J Super Hercules special mission transport aircraft, P 81 long range maritime reconnaissance and anti submarine jets and C 17 Globe Master III heavy transport aircrafts. All these high-end platforms use encrypted radio and other equipment to which India had no access. To fill this critical equipment void indigenous technology/equipment was being fielded, which was suboptimal. With COMCASA on board, these platforms would be able to use the high-end equipment designed for them in an uninhibited way realising their true potential11. Take for instance the ongoing dialogue between US and India for the procurement of Sea Guardian armed drones. US had made it clear that to be able to use the encrypted communication equipment on board the said drone, COMCASA will be a prerequisite12. In another hypothetical interpretation, if India was to buy the F-16 versions of aircrafts in future, the same will now come duly equipped with highly secure systems which will allow Indian pilots to access and operate on a larger intelligence picture which will include high resolution imagery among other things permitting far greater operational flexibility and paradigm enhancement in levels of inter-operability13.



Signing of COMCASA

(Source://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&biw=1366& ... x2VW4nGHMP_ vATt6pnAAg&q=comcasa&oq=COMCASA)

Effective for 10 years from the date of signing (06 Sep 18) COMCASA will further boost interoperability, as well as, share operational intelligence in real time in the years ahead. In specifics, if a US warship or aircraft detects a Chinese submarine in the IOR, the intelligence can be shared in real time over COMCASA protected equipment14. Basically, with COMCASA done, India will get an access to US Combined Enterprise Regional Information Exchange System (CENTRIXS). This system is a collection of huge wide area networks (WAN) spread across the coalition known as enclaves. CENTRIXs permit secure exchange of dialogues between nations in text and web-based formats.

On the flip side, all is not positive with COMCASA. Experts have called this agreement as intrusive since it will work both ways. In that, while India will receive real-time intelligence over the COMCASA protected links, it will also mean a free access to US on our intelligence gathered over such equipment which for any reason whatsoever, we would not like to share with any country (in this case, US will become an unstoppable exception). What about the confidentiality of intelligence gained – but a casualty. One can also imagine the difficulty and apprehensions in integrating Russian origin equipment across dissimilar platforms featuring COMCASA protected equipment. We might be opening a communication and intelligence highway over systems and connections which may not be in the best interest of our right to privacy and confidentiality of certain matters at the national level. In some previous joint exercises with US, the sensors on board the Russian based equipment were to be switched off. Will we be able to prevent an unsolicited "US snoop". Also COMCASA protected equipment may have to be opened up for periodic inspection. Are we ready? Times of India queries, "India joins NATO - well almost"15. The reference is to COMCASA enabled link 16 communication system originally designed for NATO. This link allows near real time exchange of data among various security systems which militaries use on the NATO grid.

Another fall out of COMCASA will be that India will now be slowly drawn into the US defence industry net where major OEMs will be far too willing to sell sophisticated defence equipment complete with the lure of COMCASA enabled equipment on board. There are reports of M/s Lockheed Martin already offering the next generation F 18 while the others are lining up for drones and artillery. To facilitate this process, another less famous and less known agreement than COMCASA also got signed. It relates to licence exception for strategically designated countries in terms of defence licensing and exports.

China has actually echoed its ‘worry and concern’ in antonym terms. In that, while it has couched its reaction in diplomatic niceties and welcome terms at one end, it has never failed to add the bottom line of concern at the other. In regard to COMCASA, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying has said, "As to2+2 consultations between India and US, we have seen the report...we are happy to see the normal bilateral relations between the two sides and we also hope that in this process, they will do more to promote regional peace and stability.” This is reminiscent of Chinese reaction to Malabar 2018, when they said, "We have no objection to the normal bilateral relations and cooperation among relevant countries, but we hope that this kind of relationship and cooperation will not be directed at any third party and will be conducive to the regional peace and stability"16.

Though the open source does not report a specific reaction from Russia, its unease to the rapidly intensifying western (read US) order in India is well known. It is reported that Russia, China and Mangolia are preparing for Vostok 2018 a tri-service 300,000 troops exercise involving two naval fleets and an airborne division17. The chessboard of weights and counter weights thus continues to be in play posing great challenges and demanding tight- rope walking for India.

In any case, the changing dynamics over the years from the US perspective comes out loud and clear. The same is summarised below.

Way back in 2010 or thereabouts (post signing of the civil nuclear deal), it dawned on US that there was no point standing out with the banner of FMS complete with all its crippling restrictions on ToT while the largest arms exporter of the world continues to process multiple big ticket procurement cases, all minus US. That realisation ushered in the idea of DTTI, which was rolled out very cautiously initially, causing minimum big change and gradually fanning out in a huge sway of seven JWGs each focussed to its own vertical. As the DTTIs were making a slow but sure progress, Make-in-India happened (Sep 2014) bringing with it a new defence eco-system of JVs, co-development, co-production with buy back and MoUs on specific verticals. Not only the DTTI got a shot in the arm, there was no looking back as the glare of top of the line technology and combat platforms coupled with a definitive easing in intent to share the technologies under the new regime of Make-in -India, made India look towards US. The above win-win vehicle was given regular push by US to keep it in high momentum; declaring India as a major defence partner, expanding the scope and quantum of Malabar, increasing M2M ties through deliberate joint endeavours, issuance of vision statements by US President and its reciprocity by the Indian PM are all cases in point.

It was time to start rolling out the strategic agreement trio to ensure Indian residency in the US led regional, diplomatic and military initiatives. LEMOA happened which was indeed seen as win-win for both the parties. This was followed by COMCASA (along with lesser known STA-1) two years later, complete with all its plusses and minuses as discussed in this work

The next on the line is Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) for geospatial cooperation. BECA is likely to facilitate exchange of geospatial information between the two countries for civilian and military use18.

Way ahead for India

In regard to the strategic agreements stated above, while maximum advantage must be reaped from each and every agreement, due caution must be exercised as regards COMCASA in the context of several pitfalls, as stated in this work.

End Notes:

"What is COMCASA," at www.thehindu.com. (Accessed 07 Sep 2018).
"Foreign military sales procedure and policy," at www.state.gov.in ( Accessed 08 Sep 2018).
"US India defence technology and trade initiative," at www.acq.osd.mil. (Accessed 08 Sep 2018).
"India signs 5000cr deal with US for 145 M777 Howitzer guns," at www.financialexpress.com. (Accessed
08 Sep 2018).
"US India defence relations fact sheet," at www.in.usembassy.gov. (Accessed 08 Sep 2018).
”What is LEMOA?" at www.thehindu.com. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"India and UN," at www.pib.nic.in. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
ibid
"LEMOA" at www.iasscore.in. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"Egypt signs cismoa," at www.defenceweb.co.za>id=51147. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"Make no mistakes signing of comcasa is no less important than the 2008 civil nuclear deal," at www.firstpost.com. ( Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"India US to re-open talks on comcasa," at www.economictimes.indiatimes.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
"2+2 dialogue India US step up defence ties with comcasa," at www. firstpost.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
"Comcasa agreement will pave way for-...," at www.timesofindia.indiatimes.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
" India joins NATO? well almost," at www.timesofindia.indiatimes.com. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
" Malabar navy exercise : China expresses concern" at www.indianexpress.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
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" LEMOA CISMOA BECA," at www.gktoday.in. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).

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COMCASA - The Bigger Picture
COMCASA - The Bigger Picture

Lt Gen (Dr) V K Saxena (Retd), PVSM,AVSM,VSM, Distinguished Fellow, VIF

September 19 , 2018

In the context of the signing of Communication Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA) between US and India on 06 Sep 2018 during the 2+2 dialogue1, this article attempts to analyse the bigger picture. In that, it traces the journey of consolidation of military-to-military (M2M) ties between United States (US) and India as seen in the context of defence procurements and examines the multiple dimensions of the strategic agreements between the two countries.


India and US ink COMCASA

https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&t ... &q=COMCASA)

To make a visible presence in an inventory of weapon and support systems with our defence forces that has had a predominant Russian (and erstwhile USSR) presence (up to around 67%), the US had to surmount many an obstacles. This journey of US is briefly chronicled.

The ‘NO-GO’ Stage

In the years around 1990-2010, the basic hurdle which the Americans faced was the incompatibility of their Foreign Military Sales (FMS) methodology for the sale of defence equipment to a foreign country. This procedure, which basically related to Government-to-Government (G2G) mode of sales was not covered in the successive Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) manuals governing India’s defence procurements. Resultantly, in our procurement procedures of initially seeking information (Request for Information or RFI), formulating Services Qualitative Requirements (SQRs), sending out Requests for Proposals (RFP), receiving bids, evaluating them, carrying out trials of selected equipment and going in for price and contract negotiations including offsets for the successfully trial evaluated equipment, kept the Americans out of the game, most of the times from the RFI stage itself.

The FMS had a different route of the buyer country putting in a letter of request (LOR), which upon a long chain of Government level clearances would finally result in a Letter of Acceptance (LOA). Since this was not in synch with the procedure being followed for bulk of the procurement cases, several US major Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) stayed out of many a high value lucrative procurement proposals; Very Short Range Air Defence Systems (VSHORADS) - Short Range/Quick Reaction/Medium Range Surface To Air Missiles (SRSAM/QRSAMs/MRSAMs), to name a few.

Then there was a huge issue of Transfer of Technology (ToT). The FMS system of sales mandated that the sale must be authorised by the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) and the sales may only be authorised when the US President made a determination that the prospective purchaser was ‘eligible’2. Under such stringent pathways, the most insurmountable hurdle used to be the US’ reluctance to share technology to the extent our defence eco-system was used to with the OEMs like Russia, Israel, France, UK etc.

The First Thaw Happens

Sensing the blank which the US was drawing in the Indian defence procurements largely because of differing bureaucratic processes and legal requirements, the then US Secretary of State, Mr Leon Panetta, directed the Deputy Secretary of Defence, Dr. Aston Charter in Dec 2012 to undertake an initiative with India to provide increased US senior level oversight and engagement to get beyond the obstacles. This initiative was referred to as Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI).

DTTI was not meant to be a treaty or a law; it was to be a flexible mechanism to ensure that senior leaders from both the countries were persistently focussed on the opportunities and challenges associated with growing the defence partnership. DTTI aimed to transform bilateral defence relationship into one that was limited only by independent strategic decisions, strengthen India's defence industrial base, explore new areas of technological collaboration and expand US-India bilateral ties. Later in the day, President Barack Obama and Prime Minister (PM) Modi would express their total support to DTTI in their meeting in Jan 20153.


Top Level Support to DTTI

https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&b ... initiative)
As successive DTTIs got underway, a feeling of thaw by way of easing out of the erstwhile ‘NO-GO’ stance of the US came to be noticed. They seemed to be more forthcoming as regards the willingness to sell and the willingness to part with technologies (of course with due clearances by the authorities that be) by taking part up-front in the procurement procedures.

One of the initial major deliberations related to the deal for G2G sale of 145 pieces of M 777 155/45 calibre ultra light howitzers. In this, not only the US later selected an Indian Partner (Mahindra Defence) for assembly Integration and Testing (AIT) of the weapon system, but also agreed for the Transfer of Capability ( TOC, i.e ToT plus) to Mahindra4. The deal for Rs, 5000 cr finally got signed in Dec 16.

The DTTI Gets Wings: M2M Ties Bloom

The thaw continued to get warmer as DTTI flourished and embraced more and more defence deals till it got a shot in the arm with the declaration of the Make-in-India initiative of the Indian Government announced on 25 Sep 2014. A new regime of joint development, joint production, buy back, joint ventures (JVs) and memoranda of understanding (MoU) was to take shape and take firm roots in the years to come, duly complemented by gradual coming of age of the private defence industry.

The DTTI took full advantage of the new enabling defence eco system and made the best of it in terms of defence sales, all on G2G basis. It bloomed out into seven joint working groups (JWG) to explore collaborative projects and programmes and two Science and Technology G2G Project agreements, the first one on next generation protective ensembles and the second on mobile hybrid power sources. The core defence deals climbed from $1 bn to over $ 15 bn in a matter of few years. 13 Lockheed Martin C 130 Hercules aircrafts, 10 C -17 Globemaster, 12 P-8 Poseidon aircraft from Boeing, 22 AH 64 Apache helicopters, 15 CH 47 Chinook helicopters, 145 M777 Howitzers, all contributed to push the figures northwards5. As to JVs, way back in 2012, Tata Advanced System Ltd (TASL) and Lockheed Martin established a JV to produce C 130 airframes components (50th empennage delivered in 2016). TASL also established a JV with M/s Sikorsky to produce S-92 helicopter cabins.


TASL-Lockheed Martin JV 2012

(Source: https: www.google. co.in/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=632&tbm =isch&sa=1&ei=iwaVW46qN8ao9QPnzYugDQ&q=TASL+JV+with+Lockheed+Martin)
Besides core defence deals, strategic handshake also took place between India and USA: the latter designated India as a Major Defence Partner (Dec 2016), a new Bilateral Maritime Security Dialogue was launched (Apr 2016), President Obama and PM Modi issued a Joint Strategic Vision for Asia Pacific and Indian Ocean Region (IOR) (Jun 2015), annual Exercise Malabar expanded to include Japan as a permanent member, India twice participated in Rim of the Pacific ( RIMPAC) exercises, Indian Air Force (IAF) resumed Exercise Red Flag, and India and US for the first time concluded a joint Peacekeeping Course. It is no wonder therefore that according to a report released by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), US arms exports to India jumped by a whopping 557 percent in the period 2013-17 as compared to the period 2008-12, thus making it India's second largest arms supplier.

It is in this high tide of bilateral relations that the strategic agreements between USA and India should be examined.

A Trio of Strategic Agreements

In order to build the basic ground work and promote interoperability between militaries by creating common standards and systems and to permit the sale and transfer of high-end technologies, US considers a trio of strategic agreements to be gone through with the country concerned. These are Logistic Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA), Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (COMCASA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Cooperation (BECA)6. A word about each follows.

LEMOA

LEMOA gives access to both countries to the designated military facilities on either side for the purpose of refuelling and replenishment. LEMOA essentially covers four areas, namely, port calls, joint exercises, training and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The agreement is not closed-ended, it can include any other requirement as agreeable to the two parties. That is to say, that logistic support for any other cooperative efforts could be provided on a case-to-case basis through mutual consent of parties consistent with their respective laws, regulations and policies. Payments are on cash or reciprocal provision of service basis7. LEMOA however does not include basing facilities of stationing/deploying assets or troops on each other's soil.

What are the fall outs of LEMOA? It gives a tremendous range and reach enhancement to the Indian Navy. For instance, its vessels operating anywhere in the international waters could get every logistic support from any of the US bases spread across the globe. The possible list for such a support is very comprehensive- food, billeting, water, medical services, transportation, petroleum, oils, lubricants, clothing, communication services, storage services, training services, spare parts, component repair and maintenance services, calibration services and port services. Not only for the Indian Navy, but also, for the entire Indian armed forces, LEMOA will significantly enhance their operational capacity in their response to humanitarian assistance, disaster relief and more. Take for instance, the multinational naval Exercise Malabar 2018 which was conducted in the Guam island in the Western Pacific. The US naval base at Guam stood as a firm base under LEMOA for all the above support for the Indian vessels since LEMOA based support is applicable for joint training, joint exercises, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.

While the LEMOA got signed in Aug 2016, a major fallout of this happened in Feb 2017 when Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group (ADAG) led Reliance Defence and Engineering Ltd (RDEL) signed a Master Ship Repair Agreement ( MSRA) with US Navy to provide repair and alteration service for the ships of the US Seventh Fleet consisting of some 100 vessels operating in the Western Pacific and IOR region at its Pipavav Shipyard. This was made possible under LEMOA. The magnitude of the deal can be assessed from the fact that the same is likely to generate in excess of 10,000 cr in revenue to RDEL in the next five years8.


RDEL signs warship repair deal with US Navy

(Source:https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&b ... +deal+with+ USA)
It is not that the logistic cooperation arrangements were not in place earlier. For instance, US was using Indian military bases for logistics during joint exercises but those arrangements were ad hoc and managed on case-to-case basis. In one-on-one terms, India will stand to gain more from LEMOA simply because of the fact that while US has bases spread all over the world, India's outreach in far seas is limited for want of any bases and agreements. LEMOA opens up new opportunities to extend our outreach not only in alien international waters, but also, in the indo pacific region itself (reference is to a possibility of use of US bases at Djibouti or Diego Garcia)9.

COMCASA

COMCASA is the India adapted version of standard strategic agreement called Communication and Information Security Memorandum of Understanding (CISMOA; Egypt is a signatory of CISMOA with US10). The signing of this foundational agreement provides a legal framework for the US to transfer high-end defence equipment to India that features encrypted communication network and enables optimal use of platforms employing such equipment.

As chronicled earlier, India in the recent past has procured large military platforms such as C 130J Super Hercules special mission transport aircraft, P 81 long range maritime reconnaissance and anti submarine jets and C 17 Globe Master III heavy transport aircrafts. All these high-end platforms use encrypted radio and other equipment to which India had no access. To fill this critical equipment void indigenous technology/equipment was being fielded, which was suboptimal. With COMCASA on board, these platforms would be able to use the high-end equipment designed for them in an uninhibited way realising their true potential11. Take for instance the ongoing dialogue between US and India for the procurement of Sea Guardian armed drones. US had made it clear that to be able to use the encrypted communication equipment on board the said drone, COMCASA will be a prerequisite12. In another hypothetical interpretation, if India was to buy the F-16 versions of aircrafts in future, the same will now come duly equipped with highly secure systems which will allow Indian pilots to access and operate on a larger intelligence picture which will include high resolution imagery among other things permitting far greater operational flexibility and paradigm enhancement in levels of inter-operability13.



Signing of COMCASA

(Source://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&biw=1366& ... x2VW4nGHMP_ vATt6pnAAg&q=comcasa&oq=COMCASA)

Effective for 10 years from the date of signing (06 Sep 18) COMCASA will further boost interoperability, as well as, share operational intelligence in real time in the years ahead. In specifics, if a US warship or aircraft detects a Chinese submarine in the IOR, the intelligence can be shared in real time over COMCASA protected equipment14. Basically, with COMCASA done, India will get an access to US Combined Enterprise Regional Information Exchange System (CENTRIXS). This system is a collection of huge wide area networks (WAN) spread across the coalition known as enclaves. CENTRIXs permit secure exchange of dialogues between nations in text and web-based formats.

On the flip side, all is not positive with COMCASA. Experts have called this agreement as intrusive since it will work both ways. In that, while India will receive real-time intelligence over the COMCASA protected links, it will also mean a free access to US on our intelligence gathered over such equipment which for any reason whatsoever, we would not like to share with any country (in this case, US will become an unstoppable exception). What about the confidentiality of intelligence gained – but a casualty. One can also imagine the difficulty and apprehensions in integrating Russian origin equipment across dissimilar platforms featuring COMCASA protected equipment. We might be opening a communication and intelligence highway over systems and connections which may not be in the best interest of our right to privacy and confidentiality of certain matters at the national level. In some previous joint exercises with US, the sensors on board the Russian based equipment were to be switched off. Will we be able to prevent an unsolicited "US snoop". Also COMCASA protected equipment may have to be opened up for periodic inspection. Are we ready? Times of India queries, "India joins NATO - well almost"15. The reference is to COMCASA enabled link 16 communication system originally designed for NATO. This link allows near real time exchange of data among various security systems which militaries use on the NATO grid.

Another fall out of COMCASA will be that India will now be slowly drawn into the US defence industry net where major OEMs will be far too willing to sell sophisticated defence equipment complete with the lure of COMCASA enabled equipment on board. There are reports of M/s Lockheed Martin already offering the next generation F 18 while the others are lining up for drones and artillery. To facilitate this process, another less famous and less known agreement than COMCASA also got signed. It relates to licence exception for strategically designated countries in terms of defence licensing and exports.

China has actually echoed its ‘worry and concern’ in antonym terms. In that, while it has couched its reaction in diplomatic niceties and welcome terms at one end, it has never failed to add the bottom line of concern at the other. In regard to COMCASA, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying has said, "As to2+2 consultations between India and US, we have seen the report...we are happy to see the normal bilateral relations between the two sides and we also hope that in this process, they will do more to promote regional peace and stability.” This is reminiscent of Chinese reaction to Malabar 2018, when they said, "We have no objection to the normal bilateral relations and cooperation among relevant countries, but we hope that this kind of relationship and cooperation will not be directed at any third party and will be conducive to the regional peace and stability"16.

Though the open source does not report a specific reaction from Russia, its unease to the rapidly intensifying western (read US) order in India is well known. It is reported that Russia, China and Mangolia are preparing for Vostok 2018 a tri-service 300,000 troops exercise involving two naval fleets and an airborne division17. The chessboard of weights and counter weights thus continues to be in play posing great challenges and demanding tight- rope walking for India.

In any case, the changing dynamics over the years from the US perspective comes out loud and clear. The same is summarised below.

Way back in 2010 or thereabouts (post signing of the civil nuclear deal), it dawned on US that there was no point standing out with the banner of FMS complete with all its crippling restrictions on ToT while the largest arms exporter of the world continues to process multiple big ticket procurement cases, all minus US. That realisation ushered in the idea of DTTI, which was rolled out very cautiously initially, causing minimum big change and gradually fanning out in a huge sway of seven JWGs each focussed to its own vertical. As the DTTIs were making a slow but sure progress, Make-in-India happened (Sep 2014) bringing with it a new defence eco-system of JVs, co-development, co-production with buy back and MoUs on specific verticals. Not only the DTTI got a shot in the arm, there was no looking back as the glare of top of the line technology and combat platforms coupled with a definitive easing in intent to share the technologies under the new regime of Make-in -India, made India look towards US. The above win-win vehicle was given regular push by US to keep it in high momentum; declaring India as a major defence partner, expanding the scope and quantum of Malabar, increasing M2M ties through deliberate joint endeavours, issuance of vision statements by US President and its reciprocity by the Indian PM are all cases in point.

It was time to start rolling out the strategic agreement trio to ensure Indian residency in the US led regional, diplomatic and military initiatives. LEMOA happened which was indeed seen as win-win for both the parties. This was followed by COMCASA (along with lesser known STA-1) two years later, complete with all its plusses and minuses as discussed in this work

The next on the line is Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) for geospatial cooperation. BECA is likely to facilitate exchange of geospatial information between the two countries for civilian and military use18.

Way ahead for India

In regard to the strategic agreements stated above, while maximum advantage must be reaped from each and every agreement, due caution must be exercised as regards COMCASA in the context of several pitfalls, as stated in this work.

End Notes:

"What is COMCASA," at www.thehindu.com. (Accessed 07 Sep 2018).
"Foreign military sales procedure and policy," at www.state.gov.in ( Accessed 08 Sep 2018).
"US India defence technology and trade initiative," at www.acq.osd.mil. (Accessed 08 Sep 2018).
"India signs 5000cr deal with US for 145 M777 Howitzer guns," at www.financialexpress.com. (Accessed
08 Sep 2018).
"US India defence relations fact sheet," at www.in.usembassy.gov. (Accessed 08 Sep 2018).
”What is LEMOA?" at www.thehindu.com. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"India and UN," at www.pib.nic.in. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
ibid
"LEMOA" at www.iasscore.in. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"Egypt signs cismoa," at www.defenceweb.co.za>id=51147. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"Make no mistakes signing of comcasa is no less important than the 2008 civil nuclear deal," at www.firstpost.com. ( Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
"India US to re-open talks on comcasa," at www.economictimes.indiatimes.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
"2+2 dialogue India US step up defence ties with comcasa," at www. firstpost.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
"Comcasa agreement will pave way for-...," at www.timesofindia.indiatimes.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
" India joins NATO? well almost," at www.timesofindia.indiatimes.com. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).
" Malabar navy exercise : China expresses concern" at www.indianexpress.com. (Accessed 09 Sep
2018).
ibid
" LEMOA CISMOA BECA," at www.gktoday.in. (Accessed 09 Sep 2018).

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Post by crams » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:03 pm

Guys, looks like this Rafale BS has been given a fresh lease of life with the former French president saying something about Indian govt picking Ambani & Co as partner and it was not Dassault's choice. Any thoughts on how this is going to play out?

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Post by chetak » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:14 pm

crams wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:03 pm
Guys, looks like this Rafale BS has been given a fresh lease of life with the former French president saying something about Indian govt picking Ambani & Co as partner and it was not Dassault's choice. Any thoughts on how this is going to play out?
What was pappu doing in europe and england on his recent "tour"??


I see a cambridge analytica (or clone) type of deliberately designed plot that is playing out. Hollande it seems was upset with his partner being dragged into this entire mess by suggestions that the ambani company made a movie with her in the lead as a thank you gesture for the offset deal.

Be that as it may, the modi govt is going to have to negotiate this smelly mess quickly before it does them some real harm.

The attacks on modi involving the rafale started after pappu returned from his european sojourn, all primed, fired up and raring to go.

entities beyond the congress party are pushing this agenda to make sure that modi does not return in 2019. They need a family retainer type, the likes of which abounded in the previous NDA govt, in the seats of power to ensure that the mafia gang is well protected.

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Post by la.khan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:32 pm

crams wrote: Guys, looks like this Rafale BS has been given a fresh lease of life with the former French president saying something about Indian govt picking Ambani & Co as partner and it was not Dassault's choice. Any thoughts on how this is going to play out?
Depends on which govt (UPA/NDA) chose Reliance as the Indian partner. Hollande was president of France from May 2012 to May 2017. So, when Dassault, LM, Boeing were hesitant to partner with HAL, who made the decision to make Reliance partner with Dassault? This needs more digging.

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Post by crams » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:36 pm

UndY pricks like Sreenivasan Jain having a field day with this ex French president's claim. Still too early, but BJP needs to douse the fire. Who is this Pappu chic Shamma Mohammed. Never heard of her till now. He seems to be having some very loyal slaves

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Post by Supratik » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:50 pm

Even if we assume Hollande is speaking the truth or even said that (a journalist is claiming he said that) which Reliance is he talking about. There was a deal with Mukesh Ambani led Reliance during UPA2.

https://www.reuters.com/article/dassaul ... 5220120212

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Post by crams » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:59 pm

Look in politics, perception is everything. And sadly in a deeply fragmented India, some colonial master's statement is worth more more than what even a million SDREs say. The point is this is a very complicated deal. There may have been a few decisions taken here or there which could have gone either way. All that Cogoons and their mouthpieces have to do sow enough confusion, and something like this ex French president's claim will add fuel.

This Rafale shit is not going to die down. But BJP cannot let it get out of hand. At the end of the day, as I said, given the complicated nature of the deal, and the confusion in place, it depends on which side of the ideological spectrum you are. I will be shocked beyond belief that there is any wrongdoing on the part of ModiJi. Pappu and Co also know that in their hearts of hearts, but they want to tie him in a cobweb and howl chor like Pappu has done. Its all about perception management.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:02 pm

According to the MOD neither the Indian govt nor the French govt were involved in the commercial deal between Rafale and Reliance (Anil Ambani).

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Post by chetak » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:04 pm

Supratik wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:50 pm
Even if we assume Hollande is speaking the truth or even said that (a journalist is claiming he said that) which Reliance is he talking about. There was a deal with Mukesh Ambani led Reliance during UPA2.

https://www.reuters.com/article/dassaul ... 5220120212

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Post by Supratik » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:16 pm

May be Nirmala Sitharaman can give a press conference once it is understood what exactly Hollande said. If he said nothing of the sort that is being claimed best to ignore it. As elections come closer there will be many attempts to tarnish Modi and his govt as they do not have any real issues. Also the opposition is largely composed of robbers themselves. So they will try to bring down Modi to their level.

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Post by JohnTitor » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:49 pm

The way this is going, Modi is losing the plot. All the work in the world won't help if they can't combat the lies being spread like wildfire.

Alas, BJP is always on the backfoot defending their decision.

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Post by crams » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:02 pm

But very interesting scenario being playing out. UndY is going berersk with the usual India haters, throwing in "well-known defense analyst" Ajai Shukla (yuck this puke was in Indian army?) and coming out guns glazing against ModiJi. In contrast, I checked republic TV, TimesNow, hardly anything. Even on Twitter, usual BJP haters can't control their Adrenalin, but BJP supporters or at least balanced ones like Minhaz Merchant, Sushant Sareen to name a few are very circumspect.

I think there is another angle here. I doubt the Rafale issue is as big an issue in France as it is in India, and even if it, its for a different set of reasons. The Holland guy's GF was accused of something involving Reliance and hence he made some loose statement he did about Reliance in passing without knowing the consequences.

In one Undy debate, I thought RSS Desh Ratan Nigam who was being gang raped by entire panel including K.C.Singh could have hit biack at Ajay Shukla. Desh Ratan said we need to wait for French govt's position on Hollande's claim. To which Shukla f!ker said oh French govt will lie because they want the deal and in the same breath he was saying how honest Hollande is bla bla. Desh Ratan could have hit back saying who the f!ck is Shukla to give a certificate on who is honest and who is not. Why wouldn't Hollande have an interest in saying what he said?

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Post by Supratik » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:14 pm

Why do you watch NDTV? 99% of India doesn't. Modi's voters will be the lower/middle middle class, rural class and poor (70% of India not including minorities). Not cocktail leftists.

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