The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

[Sachin]

Very interesting points by Vivek Agnihotri, filmmaker, who comes across as intelligent and very articulate.

I am on the process of reading his book "Urban Naxals". Will post a review in the appropriate thread once I am done. The book highlights his "experiments with truth" in Bollywood when he took a very "non-secular" stance.

[Supratik]

Disappointed with NRC numbers. Thought it will be 7-8 million. I hope all NDA-ruled states are on high alert for possible movement of people.

[Raj Malhotra]

Calling me names for my post below showing lack of your ability to deal with the reality or the argument.
BJP Govt is acting only for foreign Companies interest as a suicide bomber. Congress motto is divide & rule. While BJP is all for - India for Sale.
Are we to believe that Modi cannot do any wrong? We cannot criticise our Govt? We cannot point to unfulfilled promises?
Narasimha Rao did more for Ram Temple then Modi.
If Rahul Gandhi was even 50% competent, Modi was finished. The survival of Modi hinges on stupidity of Rahul. Kejriwal is out and out anti National with no pretense.
As far as your crass language is concerned, you are only digging the Grave of the party you are allegedly supporting. A few more like you & BJP will not cross 120 and we will be cursed with Khichdi Govt.

In theory BJP had a very intelligent policy
Win elections on the basis of Hindu vote both but talk only of Vikas overtly
When in power, continue the appeasement policy so that the minorities will also vote for BJP in the next elections, ditch Hindutva & build pro poor image
Unfortunately it seems that BJP has been unable to get the minority votes and its pro MNC economic policies will lead to damage to core vote base
But that's no different from 1977, 1989, 2004 etc when BJP messed around with its voter base
Coupled with mahagathbandhan it means that BJP will have great difficulty in repeating its feat of 2014
BJP needs 250 + seats while Congress only needs 100 + seats to form the government
Congress has solid vote and support of 20% minorities, any minor drift of BJP voters to Congress will lead to complete decimation of BJP
Saying that Congress is anti Hindu and BJP is pro Hindu is not adequate, the question is what is BJP doing for them?

[Supratik]

You are doing potty on the forum rather than criticize.

[manju]

somebody needs to be put on bench

[Gus]

folks - people are free to express their anti-modi opinions, as nonsensical as they may be, as long as they are not abusive and violate forum rules etc.

engage if you want to, ignore if its annoying. add to ignore list if you really don't want to see anything from that poster.

post something useful for all of us to keep thread moving. and possibly take it from here and post elsewhere in SM.

Plenty of stuff happening. The NRC issue, the ongoing cases need to be tracked to see if its heading the right direction etc.

[abhik]

The 40l illegals biometrics need to be recorded, so that they can never get govt ID cards, or if they already have it they can be removed (via aadhar). That will be a first step, deportation is a long way away.

[JohnTitor]

I'm not sure whether this is a joke or whether the government is contemplating implementation of this law.

https://m.timesofindia.com/business/ind ... 205540.cms

What kind of stupid law is this? Prevent sellers from offering discounts? Sounds likes something commies came up with. It's a market, buyers and sellers will determine pricing. Why does the government need to put a floor on pricing?

Also pricing differential between online and offline store is expected due to costs. Close to 80 years after independence and the license Raj truly continues in one form or the other

[Aditya_V]

The proof of the pudding is int he eating, there are many evidences, but the very fact that Minority are so behind INC itself means there they have a lot going for it which is against the basic rights of the majority.

why are the Minorities such die hard fans so invested in INC and sister parties?

[Aditya_V]

The 40l illegals biometrics need to be recorded, so that they can never get govt ID cards, or if they already have it they can be removed (via aadhar). That will be a first step, deportation is a long way away.

This cannot be done publically just like neither Bangladesh nor INC or thier friends abroad will admit that they swamped India. What needs to done is top voting rights, asset ownership rights, away from Government jobs and this population will slowly resettle themselves over a period of time.

[Sachin]

The 40l illegals biometrics need to be recorded, so that they can never get govt ID cards, or if they already have it they can be removed (via aadhar). That will be a first step, deportation is a long way away.

What needs to done is top voting rights, asset ownership rights, away from Government jobs and this population will slowly resettle themselves over a period of time.

Tend to agree with you. The only way to deal with the illegals would be to make their stay in India totally unprofitable. Deportation is never going to be easy, and most likely it would never happen as well. But what can be done is to first cancel their voting rights. Which means that no "secular" party can use them as their vote bank. If this can be achieved, "secular" parties would lose their interest to support them. Next would be to reduce the job opportunities, chances of getting domicile IDs, passports etc.

By the way, in Kerala another murder has been committed by a Bengali (most likely Bangladeshi) migrant labourer. This happened when his theft attempt was foiled by the girl (now murdered). The place of the murder is known for the large number of migrant labour and also for the peacefool presence.

[Lilo]

...where you see a minority affairs ministry which gets 0.02% of funding in Budget and want to crucify modi for doing it.
The minority ministry's UPA era funding(adjusted for inflation,NDA's funding is lower than UPA2's by 400 crore ....

I was reviewing my post today and found this typo.Minority ministry funding is 0.2% (and not 0.02%) of Union Budget outlay.Please be advised.

[chetak]

pappu's exertions in parliament have come to naught.


Rahul Gandhi, here’s why Rafale is a bigger UPA scandal than Bofors: A simple explainer

By Nitin A Gokhale

First Published 30, Jul 2018,

Rahul Gandhi, here’s why Rafale is a bigger UPA scandal than Bofors

HIGHLIGHTS
Read this to know how RaGa is not telling the truth on either the price of the French planes, the way contracts were awarded, or why Congress sat on the decision as India’s fighter jet numbers kept dwindling alarmingly

Rahul Gandhi is in search of BJP’s ‘Bofors moment.’

But if he and his advisers think the Rafale deal is equivalent of the Bofors scandal for the current government, they are mistaken.

Essentially, the Congress is making two claims on the Rafale issue: One, the NDA government paid an inflated price as compared to the UPA’s price for the fighter jets and two, the government favoured a private company over the Defence Public Sector Unit, the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd or HAL. On both counts, the man who aspires to become the Prime Minister of India one day, has been economical with the truth.

History of procurement

If anything, the Congress-led UPA I and II governments need to take the blame for hollowing out the Indian Air Force (IAF) by sitting on a procurement projected as absolutely essential at the beginning of this century. The IAF first articulated the need to acquire 126 fighter jets by 2000. In nine years, the IAF said, it would have to phase out the vintage MiG-21 series of aircraft and replacement should be in place by 2010 to retain the Air Force’s combat edge against Pakistan. So the qualitative requirements were drawn up, the numbers arrived at. By 2003, Air HQ was ready to put out a tender. Yet it took four more years for the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) to accept the IAF’s demand. The Acceptance of Necessity or AON was accorded on 29 June 2007.

But thanks to the indecisiveness of two successive UPA governments, the procurements never happened. So, in seven years between 2007 and 2014, the UPA failed to clinch the deal. Neither did it arrive at any price per aircraft. Meanwhile, the IAF’s combat fleet kept dwindling at an alarming rate.

The events need a bit of a recap to put the matter in the right perspective.

Six companies--EADS from Germany, manufacturers of the Eurofighter Typhoon; Lockheed Martin (who make the F-16s) and Boeing ((F-18 aircraft) from the USA, Sweden’s SAAB (makers of Gripen); Dassault Aviation from France (the Rafale manufacturers) and Russia’s Rosoboron Export (MiG-35)--submitted their techno-commercial bids in April 2008 for what came to be known as the Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft or MMRCA tender, followed by nearly 11 months of field evaluation trial (FET) held in the heat of Rajasthan desert during peak summer months and extreme cold conditions in the high altitude zone of Ladakh.

In 2010, the evaluation committee of the IAF shortlisted two aircraft — the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale aircraft fielded by the Dassault Aviation (DA) — and forwarded the recommendation to Defence Minister AK Antony.

Procrastination

Antony took almost a year to accept the recommendation. It was already 2011.

For the next two years, negotiations certain aspects related to License Manufacture of 108 aircraft in India with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd or HAL as the lead production agency could not be finalized. Major differences occurred on the aspect of Man Hours that would be required to produce the aircraft from kits in India and who would take the responsibility for the entire lot of 126 aircraft. While the French Company maintained that 31 Million Man Hours that it had proposed should be sufficient to produce 108 Rafale aircraft in India, HAL was asking for mark up of this Man Hours by 2.7 times.

This point became the bone of contention between the government and the French manufacturer.

Moreover, in the understanding of the MoD, the company that had emerged as the winner in the bid—Dassault Aviation—would have to sign a single contract with the Indian government. The French Company would then need to have back-to-back contract(s) with HAL and other Indian Production Agencies. Dassault Aviation would also be responsible for the delivery of the complete 126 aircraft to IAF and the single point responsibility for this contract rested with Dassault Aviation because the tender was issued to them.

Congress indecision

However, Dassault Aviation did not fulfil the commitment given in the first meeting and an impasse ensued on the responsibility of delivery of 108 aircraft to be manufactured in India. Another hurdle came up on the point of work share of HAL. Dassault Aviation was asked to submit a 'Responsibility Matrix', clearly defining the role and responsibility of Dassault Aviation and HAL. The `Responsibility Matrix' was to facilitate a back-to-back contract of Dassault Aviation with HAL. The CNC or Cost Negotiations Committee was not able to move the negotiations forward since the interpretation of two fundamental aspects of the case by the French Company was not in line with the original terms in the tender.
The UPA government, under the overly cautious AK Antony instead of imposing a deadline for the French manufacturer to comply with the terms of the tender, dragged its feet and allowed Dassault Aviation to get away with obfuscation. Moreover, in an unusual move, Antony instructed MoD officials to bring the file back to him after concluding the negotiations to re-examine the integrity of the process before proceeding to finalise the contract, creating confusion and doubt in the minds of the officials who were negotiating with the manufacturer.

Turning it around

Meanwhile, the Modi government took office in May 2014.

As the new political leadership was briefed about the impasse, MoD officials were told to try and break the deadlock as soon as possible since the IAF’s fleet of fighter aircraft was precariously poised. Manohar Parrikar took over as defence minister in November 2014.

As the CNC members took the matter to Parrikar he realised the process had been convoluted to such an extent that, it would have been impossible to take it forward. He, however, knew from the briefings given by the IAF, there was no time to lose in acquiring fighter jets. The number of effective squadrons was going down rapidly. The IAF leadership also told him that they were happy with Rafale’s performance and would rather have the fighter in its fleet than scout of other options.

Parrikar took the matter to the Prime Minister and briefed him about the necessity of procuring the fighters urgently. At the same time, Parrikar told Modi, it would be legally untenable to go through with the tender that was being negotiated since the process had got vitiated completely thanks to Antony’s indecisiveness and a crucial oversight in the original terms of the contract.

Under the circumstances, there was no alternative but to withdraw the original tender, Parrikar told Modi since the CVC (Central Vigilance Commission) guidelines provide that negotiations cannot be held with the competitor who has come second in the contract (L2 vendor in officialese). The only way, the then defence minister suggested, was to scrap the tender and buy a minimum number of Rafale jets off the shelf to fill a critical gap in the IAF’s inventory.

The Prime Minister agreed and decided to talk to the French President about such a possibility during his upcoming visit to Paris in April 2015. The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) also gave its approval to the new proposal before Modi left for Paris on 9 April 2015.

India’s decision was announced at a joint Press Conference between Modi and then French President Francoise Hollande on 10 April 2015. Once the in-principle decision was taken, it was left to Parrikar and his team in the MoD to negotiate the eventual price for buying the 36 jets. Their confidence bolstered by the PMO, the Parrikar-led MoD drove a hard bargain with the French. But it wasn’t until another 15 months later—in September 2016-- that India finally signed the contract and got the state-of-the-art fighters at a competitive price.

Better product, cheaper price

The final negotiated price for 36 Rafale package, along with the initial consignment of weapons, Performance-based Logistics (PBL), simulators along with annual maintenance and associated equipment and services was fixed at 7,890 million Euros. In any case, officials involved in the nitty-gritty of the negotiations pointed out that the package cost of 126 MMRCA and 36 Rafale cannot be directly compared to work out per unit cost as the deliverables in the two cases were quite divergent.

The lower price apart, the Rafales that IAF will operate will have a weapon suite much superior to the ones proposed in the earlier case. They will include Air to Air weapons METEOR Beyond Visual Range Missiles with ranges more than 150 Km, MICA-RF Beyond Visual Range Missiles with ranges more than 80 Km and MICA-IR Close Combat Missiles with ranges more than 60 Km. The Air-Ground weapons include SCALP missiles with a range in excess of 300 Km. The induction of METEOR and SCALP missiles will provide a significant capability edge to the IAF over India’s adversaries.

The Rafale for IAF will have 13 India Specific Enhancement (ISE) capabilities which are not present in the Rafale aircraft being operated by other countries. Three capabilities pertain to Radar enhancements which will provide IAF with better long range capability. One of the specific capability being acquired is the Helmet Mounted Display (HMD) through which the IAF pilots will be able to counter many threats simultaneously. Another very significant capability enhancement sought is the ability to start and operate from 'High Altitude Airfields'.

On the second point about favouring an industrial house close to the Prime Minister, Sandeep Unnithan of India Today has clinically demolished the argument in his piece in the latest issue of India Today, titled the Rafale dogfight (https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/the- ... 2018-07-27). He writes: “Documents provided by Dassault Aviation indicate the Dassault-Reliance JV is one of the 72 partnerships Dassault has forged with Indian industry. Others on the list include Snecma-HAL Aerospace for engine components, Samtel for multi-function cockpit displays, Godrej, Larsen & Toubro and Tata Advanced Systems.”

Moreover, under the Defence Procurement Policy, Dassault Aviation like any other original equipment manufacturer is free to choose its offset partners. Several private companies and not just one besides the Govt of India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will execute the offset obligations ( supply defence industrial goods, or absorb some of the technology) and NOT co-produce Rafale as described by the uninitiated.

Also as Minister of State for Defence Dr Subhash Bhamre told the Parliament earlier this year, no offset agreements in the Rafale deal have so far been communicated to the MoD. This is not unusual because, under the offset policy, vendors or OEMs are permitted to provide details of their Indian Offset Partners (IOP) either at the time of seeking offset credits or one year prior to discharge of offset obligations.

So, there was no ‘UPA price’ to compare it with an ‘NDA price,’ and two the offset contracts are yet to be finalised.

Clearly, the NDA government’s purchase of Rafale aircraft off the shelf was guided by urgent necessity and not by any other considerations. On the other hand, one must ask the question why did the UPA not show any urgency in procuring the fighter jets when national interest dictated that the IAF’s request be met forthwith? That in my view is the bigger scandal

[chetak]

The Rafale dogfight

The Rafale dogfight

Sandeep Unnithan
New Delhi
July 27, 2018

© SIRPA AIR/ANTHONY JEULAND

The NDA governments 2016 purchase of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft has turned into a political controversy and generated sound and fury in the monsoon session of Parliament, with the Congress questioning the price of the aircraft and alleging crony capitalism. The government has refused to disclose the price of the deal, citing a confidentiality clause with France and reasons of national security. The impasse continues. The full facts of the case should be known when the Comptroller and Auditor General of India (CAG) tables its report before Parliament sometime this year. Until then, here are the big questions raised about the deal and the answers, based on the best obtainable version of the truth.

NDA paid higher price for Rafale, UPA's Rafale was cheaper.

The crux of the entire controversy are allegations that the Narendra Modi government paid a higher price for the 36 Rafale fighter jets than what the UPA had agreed to pay for 126 Rafales in 2012.

The comparison is unfounded because while the NDA actually signed the deal, the UPA hadn't. What doesn't help is the fact that neither government has released the exact cost break-ups of both deals so far. The NDA hinted it had got a better deal when Prime Minister Modi sprung a surprise by announcing it during a state visit to France in April 2015. The MoU signed by Prime Minister Modi and then French president Francois Hollande in 2015 referred to the MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) contract initiated by the Manmohan Singh government in 2004, by agreeing to conclude an inter-governmental agreement (IGA) for supply of aircraft on terms that would be better than conveyed by Dassault Aviation as part of a separate process underway.

The UPA did not reveal the price quoted by Dassault Aviation in 2011 due to which the French warplane maker made it as L-1 or lowest bidder in January 2012. The deal was subsequently logjammed for over two years because the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and Dassault Aviation could not decide on who would take responsibility for the 108 Rafales that would be manufactured under licence in India-HAL or Dassault.

The mammoth price tag possibly also induced a certain amount of purchase anxiety. When the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) had approved the deal in 2007, the MoD envisaged an outgo of $10 billion (Rs 39,000 crore) for the 126 aircraft. This figure was clearly unrealistic as the contract progressed.

Defence analyst Nitin Gokhale's book Securing India the Modi Way mentions that the MoD had, in 2011, benchmarked the total cost of acquisition at Rs 163,403 crore (approximately 23 billion the MoD's entire defence budget for that year).

Going by this figure, the 126 Rafales would have a flyaway cost of Rs 1,296 crore per aircraft. But this total cost of acquisition, as Gokhale adds, was different from the total cost of deliverables in the 126 MMRCA contract, which was benchmarked by the MoD at Rs 69,456 crore, excluding the offset loading cost, estimated to be anywhere between Rs 2,530 crore and Rs 5,060 crore.

The HAL-MoD-Dassault impasse continued even as the NDA assumed office in 2014. In 2015, the government decided to scrap the deal and go for a fresh government-to-government or G2G deal, opting for a smaller number of aircraft because of budgetary reasons. We asked the IAF what was the minimum number of Rafales they needed to meet their combat requirement; 36 is the number they came back to us with, says a senior government official. The Modi government went in for a G2G deal as an emergency procurement. G2G deals are inherently favoured for a variety of reasons because they shorten procurement cycles and cement strategic partnerships. The NDA-1 government signed the massive Su-30MKI deal to import and licence-produce 140 Su-30MKIs from Russia for Rs 22,000 crore in 2000. The UPA signed G2G deals worth over $10 billion with the US for maritime patrol aircraft and heavy lift aircraft between 2006 and 2012.

Off-the-record briefings by the MoD soon after the contract for 36 Rafales was inked in 2016 indicated that a price of 7.8 billion (Rs 59,000 crore) was agreed upon for the 36 aircraft5 billion for the aircraft and 2.85 billion for its weapons and certain India-specific enhancements.

The weapons included Meteor air-to-air missiles and SCALP air-to-ground cruise missiles worth 700 million that were not part of the original MMRCA contract. These India-specific enhancements, one senior government official said in another off-the-record briefing, came at the request of the IAF and were meant to ensure optimal utilisation of a lesser number of Rafales. They included spare parts and performance-based logistics under which the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) would ensure that the aircraft would be available 75 per cent of the time, and hence able to generate more sorties. It would mean the two Rafale squadrons would be equal to 3.5 squadrons of the IAF's current mainstay, the Su-30MKIs (which have an availability of only 55 per cent). On March 12 this year, minister of state for defence Subhash Bhamre mentioned a ballpark figure of Rs 670 crore for each Rafale minus the associated equipment, weapons, India-specific enhancements, maintenance support and services. The full facts would be revealed only in the CAG report.

Confidentiality clause prevents disclosure of price of the aircraft deal.

At a press conference on November 17 last year, defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman said that the price negotiated by the NDA was much lower than the price negotiated by the UPA when Rafale was found to be L-1. She said that her office would reveal the price later.

But in March, Sitharaman told the Rajya Sabha that as per Article 10 of the IGA between the Government of India and Government of France on the purchase of Rafale aircraft, the protection of the classified information and material exchanged under IGA is governed by the provisions of the security agreement signed between the two nations in 2008. On July 20, Congress president Rahul Gandhi alleged that Sitharaman had lied to Parliament at PM Modi's behest and that the president of France had told him there was no secrecy pact with France.

His statement drew an unusual response from Frances foreign ministry, drawing attention to the 2008 security agreement which legally binds the two states to protect the classified information provided by the partner, that could impact security and operational capabilities of the defence equipment of India or France, the ministry said.

Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and Rahul Gandhi during the no-confidence motion debate in Lok Sabha on July 20
The deal has two aspects, commercial and technical, weapons and the capabilities of the aircraft and what it cost the nation. While technical capabilities of the aircraft could be deemed classified from the point of national security, there is nothing that prevents the government from disclosing the commercial aspects of the contract to Parliament. The Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence, which comprises representatives of all political parties, routinely receives briefings on sensitive matters of national security from the armed forces, government agencies and the defence ministry. This, in fact, was hinted at by French President Emmanuel Macron in an interview to India today on March 7, 2018. There are some discussions to be organised by the Indian government and they will have to consider which details they will want to be revealed to the opposition and to the Parliament, he said. In other words, it was up to the Indian government to decide what it wanted to discuss with Parliament.

Reliance got to make the aircraft instead of public sector HAL

In his statement in the Lok Sabha on July 20, Congress president Rahul Gandhi said that the Rafale deal has been taken away from HAL and given to a businessman who has benefitted Rs 45,000 crore. The gentleman has never built an aeroplane in his whole life. There is no proposal for Rafale to build the aircraft locally as these are being procured off-the-shelf. What the Congress president was referring to is the offset plan under which Dassault Aviation is to partner with Anil Ambani's Reliance Defence to reinvest 50 per cent of the 36 Rafale deal from partners in Indian industry.

Introduced in 2007, defence offsets are where an OEM has to source between 30 and 50 per cent of the value of a defence contract from the Indian market. In the case of the 36 Rafales, Dassault Aviation has to procure nearly Rs 30,000 crore worth of components and services from Indian industry.

Documents provided by Dassault Aviation indicate the Dassault-Reliance JV is one of the 72 partnerships Dassault has forged with Indian industry. Others on the list include Snecma-HAL Aerospace for engine components, Samtel for multi-function cockpit displays, Godrej, Larsen & Toubro and Tata Advanced Systems.

On October 27, 2017, Anil Ambani and Dassault CEO Eric Trappier laid the foundation stone for a new facility to produce parts of the Falcon business jets under Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL), a 51:49 joint venture between Dassault and Reliance Defence. The facility started commercial production of Dassault's Falcon business jet cockpits in April this year.

The MoDs Defence Procurement Policy leaves the choice of offset partner to the OEM. No offset agreements in the Rafale deal have so far been communicated to the MoD. This is not unusual because under the offset policy, vendors or OEMs are permitted to provide details of their Indian Offset Partners (IOP) either at the time of seeking offset credits or one year prior to discharge of offset obligations, Bhamre told Parliament in March this year.

Procedures bypassed, CCS approval not taken

The Defence Procurement Procedure, which governs all MoD capital acquisitions, mandates that all deals over Rs 3,000 crore be approved by the CCS. The CCS is chaired by the prime minister and includes the cabinet ministers for home, defence, finance and external affairs. It is India's topmost decision-making body for national security. In the case of the 36 Rafales, the deal was announced by Prime Minister Modi in France and inked in an MoU in April 2015. CCS approval for the deal came only on August 24, 2016, or 16 months after the MoU in Paris and exactly a month before the deal was finally signed by French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian and his counterpart Manohar Parrikar in New Delhi on September 23, 2016.

However, Paragraph 71 of the DPP, which covers IGA's, mentions occasions when procurements would have to be done from friendly foreign countries, which may be necessitated due to geostrategic advantages that are likely to accrue to our country. Such procurements would not classically follow the Standard Procurement Procedure and the Standard Contract Document, but would be based on mutually agreed provisions by the governments of both the countries. Such procurements will be done based on an IGA after clearance from the CFA (Competent Financial Authority). The CFA in this case is the CCS. But here again, the government seems to be in the clear.

What was announced in April 2015 was only an intent to buy an aircraft. Intentions to buy do not require a formal clearance by the CCS. It is only an IGA, which needs to be cleared and in this case, it was approved a month before the deal was signed in September 2016, says Amit Cowshish, former financial advisor (acquisitions) in the MoD. For how much, we don't know for yet. With the government now hardening its stance and dogged about not revealing this price, it is left to the CAG to reveal the truth about the Rafale deal.

[Gus]

what is the endgame for the NRC? what is legally possible / mandated here?

[chetak]

what is the endgame for the NRC? what is legally possible / mandated here?

It is being driven by the SC itself.

It has been hanging fire for the longest time since MMS himself promised action.

The BJP saw the opportunity and moved in to administer the TKO. (technical knock out).

Now, all the commie and leftist pants are on fire.

A case has already been filed against mumta banoo.

Can her strident opposition to this SC monitored exercise turn into a contempt of court case ??

[Gus]

amit shah reply in RS

https://youtu.be/8LBKjr1DFh4?t=7m2s

really need to brush up my basic hindi...I am getting the gist of it, but it is hard to assume for some words and make up the full meaning.

[shravanp]

what is the endgame for the NRC? what is legally possible / mandated here?

It is being driven by the SC itself.

It has been hanging fire for the longest time since MMS himself promised action.

The BJP saw the opportunity and moved in to administer the TKO. (technical knock out).

Now, all the commie and leftist pants are on fire.

A case has already been filed against mumta banoo.

Can her strident opposition to this SC monitored exercise turn into a contempt of court case ??

I hope they do something urgently about those not making it NRC. They should NOT be allowed to travel outside of Assam and mingle in other states cuz that will make this NRC exercise worthless.

[chetak]

what is the endgame for the NRC? what is legally possible / mandated here?

It is being driven by the SC itself.

It has been hanging fire for the longest time since MMS himself promised action.

The BJP saw the opportunity and moved in to administer the TKO. (technical knock out).

Now, all the commie and leftist pants are on fire.

A case has already been filed against mumta banoo.

Can her strident opposition to this SC monitored exercise turn into a contempt of court case ??

I hope they do something urgently about those not making it NRC. They should NOT be allowed to travel outside of Assam and mingle in other states cuz that will make this NRC exercise worthless.

too late, mumta banoo has already said that she will accommodate all the forty odd lakhs in west bengal.

All the beedi jokers must be hightailing it for kolkata by now where new ration cards and election cards are awaiting them. Ticketless travel by IR trains means no expenses either.

That's forty odd lakhs more voters for her.

[Supratik]

Next steps in NRC.

1) Put all received data of illegals in a database.
2) Stop giving jobs without authentication.
3) Delete from voter list.
4) Start NRC update in other states.

[shravanp]

Next steps in NRC.

1) Put all received data of illegals in a database.
2) Stop giving jobs without authentication.
3) Delete from voter list.
4) Start NRC update in other states.

Since this exercise is completely dependent on who's in Center, this is has to be implemented while BJP is in Center. If mahag@ndbandhan comes to power, all this will be reversed.

[hanumadu]

Jay Galla
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@JayGalla
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In a bid to marginalise regional parties, in a stunning move, 40L people’s names is excluded from NRC in Assam in the garb of their being migrants. BJP says next it wd be W.Bengal and they may apply it to any State. TDP, TMC, SP, AAP & others protested against this move by Centre

Jay Galla of TDP owns Amara Raja batteries with a market cap of 2 billion dollars. Patriots and nationalists, please do not buy them. Let TDP and secular people buy them.

Please spread the word.

[hanumadu]

Next steps in NRC.

1) Put all received data of illegals in a database.
2) Stop giving jobs without authentication.
3) Delete from voter list.
4) Start NRC update in other states.

Were finger prints not collected as part of the application or field verification process during the NRC process?

NRC Process flow chart.

http://nrcassam.nic.in/images/pdf/proce ... -chart.pdf

[srikumar]

amit shah reply in RS

https://youtu.be/8LBKjr1DFh4?t=7m2s

really need to brush up my basic hindi...I am getting the gist of it, but it is hard to assume for some words and make up the full meaning.

The only real quote/newsworthy moment is a statement from the Vice President of India- Only God can save this democracy (10:23).

There should be some law to stop members from shouting when others are talking. Starting from about 10.00 the 'honorable' members of the Upper House shouted and shouted for 5 minutes till the sabha was adjourned. There is no dignity in this.

Amit Shah comment was that "Rajiv Gandhi signed the Assam accord in 1985, and in that accord there was a clear requirement to note down all the people who came into Assam illegally. This itself is NRC. Your own (congress) governments have not had the guts to implement it, WE have the guts to do it" ......and then the comedy (or tragedy) started.

[Lilo]

Jay Galla
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In a bid to marginalise regional parties, in a stunning move, 40L people’s names is excluded from NRC in Assam in the garb of their being migrants. BJP says next it wd be W.Bengal and they may apply it to any State. TDP, TMC, SP, AAP & others protested against this move by Centre

Jay Galla of TDP owns Amara Raja batteries with a market cap of 2 billion dollars. Patriots and nationalists, please do not buy them. Let TDP and secular people buy them.

Please spread the word.

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Amaron is his battery brand -well known for doing wide spread marketing but as widely attested in forums like TeamBHP, the batteries are low grade ones failing within first few years and the warranty claims are regularly denied where in the company claims they have been "misused".

This c****** is the MP of Guntur - officially the richest MP in parliament, infact i voted for him in 2014 when TDP was in coalition with BJP in AP .
Since then Guntur has witnessed the famed "development with TDP characteristics" where land prices increase exponentially due to unbridled speculation while infra quality has become zero with zero public transport ,zero job generating investments, roads dug up repeatedly but never laid, police hiding away from mainorities but targeting the weaker sections of Hindus etc.
Anyhow TDP has now revealed it's hand now publicly to be a part of the breaking India gang as seen by how brazenly its rich realtor MPs with thousands of crores of real estate on their name, threaten secession or promote traitorous tendencies among Andhra populace just because the Union govt stopped "cooperating" with these TDP moneybags,demanding utilisation certificate of the funds allotted to the state projects for example .Similar in vein to Jayadevs tweet above, one can witness TDP MP Murali Mohan's (the proprietor of the Jayabheri group - biggest realtor in twin states) press conference wanting South to secede from India.

https://youtu.be/ygE55n28jgc