The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Post by Indrad » Sat May 19, 2018 8:30 am

good posts rudradev & Rama Y (good to see you)
Even some high ranking IAS ..involved in drafting chapters of GST & all..very much liked by PMO team are hardcore congys and regularly speak against Modi in private, hoping he will not return. In own words they are not monitored and can implement uncomfortable regulations causing unrest in middle class, tax payers...Modi saar doesn;t always have time and Ketli ji is disconnected with the grass root.
Consider this low level anecdotal evidence but still...yes one term more and many layers of the 7 system will be weakened.
Remember this is a system nurtured over 70 years!

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Post by fanne » Sat May 19, 2018 10:47 am

nope nurtured over 1000 years!!

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Post by RamaY » Sat May 19, 2018 2:16 pm

Rudradev wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 5:53 am
Rama Y garu,

Powerful argument as always, but I think you are being too optimstic.

In fact Modi sarkar and Indic resurgence has barely breached Wall #4 (Bureaucracy) at this time.

Lots of resistance is still being encountered even there: witness the NPA/defaulter scam among many other things. This is where the main force of GOI machinery is engaged at present. Many more economic IEDs still remain in our path... as those who blithely dismiss the importance of "vikas" would do well to recognize. Economic prosperity is not some natural destiny waiting to fall into our laps; it will be the prize of a battle hard-fought and won against entrenched, institutional "Idea of India" interests. And their agents in the bureaucracy.

Wall #5 (Judiciary) is still at the 'early warning' stage for the enemy (that is what the press-conference drama by 4 SC justices, move to impeach CJI, and ongoing agitation to elevate Justice Joseph are really all about trying to stave off).

The time for Paramilitary (Wall #6) confrontation will surely come. Unfortunately, by then, all the current bellyaching by some that "Modi Sarkar isn't doing ENOUGH for CORE Hindu agenda" will have had its enfeebling effect, and will prove itself to be the Jai Chandra rationale for self-serving indifference and cowardly inaction that it actually is.
Rudradev ji,

As I mentioned, all we got is breaches from one wall to another. If you look from top, most of the walls are standing intact, resisting the flood. They will remain standing until we decide to demolish them after complete victory.

Lot of Core Agenda strategists want Modi Sarkar to demolish the entire wall and rebuild it with PIF before attempting to siege and breach the next wall. This is why their strategy wont work.

I dont want to talk about 6th and 7th walls at this time. Lot of people are not ready.

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Post by Indrad » Sat May 19, 2018 3:48 pm

Lalu admitted in IGIMS Patna for shortness of breath and chest pain https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... n=ETTWMain

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Post by hanumadu » Sat May 19, 2018 6:07 pm

If Modi does not get elected in 2019, I am done with Hindutva and BJP. I don't have the patience to wait for another 10 or 15 years for another coalition BJP govt. Let the 'core right' elect their Hindutva leader who can fulfill all their wishes in a single term.

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Post by Supratik » Sat May 19, 2018 6:22 pm

I don't expect JDS-INC to have an alliance in KT for 2019. In any case that will be beneficial for BJP as it will get an entry into Old Mysore area which is JDS base. The only place where alliances may create problems are UP and to an extent HY. RJ and Vasundhara are a worry. They should patch-up with SS in MH. Most of India is one to one fight whether Congress or Third front. Lastly, Modi has done his karma and it will be time for dharma to kick in that is if you believe in the cycle.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat May 19, 2018 7:45 pm

This is way back in 2005.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05NE ... 661_a.html
Date:2005 March 3, 12:28 (Thursday)
Classified By: DCM Robert O. Blake, Jr. for Reasons 1.4 (B, D)

1. (S) In a March 1 conversation with Poloff, influential
columnist and political insider Saeed Naqvi commented on
Rahul Gandhi at some length. Naqvi prefaced his remarks by
noting that he was a personal friend of Rahul's father, Rajiv
Gandhi, and a well-wisher of the Gandhi family. Naqvi was
initially delighted when Sonia Gandhi projected Rahul as the
heir apparent, but has since lost faith. He claims that the
word among Congress insiders, including those in the coterie
surrounding Sonia Gandhi, is that Rahul will never become
Prime Minister for several reasons.
Saying that he "refused
to indulge in gossip," Naqvi claimed that it is increasingly
common knowledge that Rahul suffers from "personality
problems" of an emotional or psychological nature that are
severe enough to prevent him from functioning as PM.


2. (S) Naqvi also claimed that his Congress contacts tell
him that Rahul has failed as an MP representing the Gandhi
pocket borough in Amethi, Uttar Pradesh. Congress
purportedly hoped to create a revival campaign in UP based
around Rahul and his appeal as a member of the Gandhi
dynasty, but has now given up, as he "is causing more harm
than good" and operates at cross-purposes to the state
Congress leadership. According to Naqvi, Rahul has done
nothing for UP except to make pro-forma appearances in
Amethi, and has "made no impression on the people of the
state." This is leading to growing discouragement that
Congress will be able revive and take over the state from
Chief Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav and his Samajwadi Party
(SP) any time in the near future. This growing impatience is
reportedly fueling internal debates as to whether it would be
better for Congress to accept a junior partner status and
cultivate an appropriate regional ally, such as Mayawati and
her Dalit-based BSP party.

3. (S) Naqvi stated that the Gandhi family always preferred
that Rahul's sister, Priyanka, enter politics, as she was
judged to be more intelligent and savvy. Arguing that Sonia
Gandhi is an Italian mother, and "like an Indian mother," has
a protective feeling regarding her son, Naqvi speculated that
Sonia apparently went against her better judgment and
selected Rahul over his sister as "heir apparent." Naqvi
claimed that Gandhi dynastic politics had no future, as the
family has run out of prime ministerial candidates with
appropriate charisma. Indira Gandhi was the last member of
the dynasty capable of being an effective PM and Rajiv would
never have won re-election had he not been assassinated.
Naqvi implied that the common impression among Congress
insiders is that Rahul is far below even his father in
political ability.

4. (C) Comment: Naqvi offered an unusually sharp commentary
of views we have heard elsewhere. While our Congress
contacts invariably hail Sonia as a "visionary leader" with a
special feeling for India's "common man" there are few in the
party who are willing to offer such glowing comments on
Rahul. Rahul disdains the Delhi social scene, in contrast to
most of his political peers. In the few instances we have
come across Rahul, he has kept a very low profile and kept
mostly to himself or close friends. Despite signs of growing
unhappiness from Congress insiders regarding Rahul, however,
he continues to be the subject of press reports that rave

about his participation in the early January Congress Youth
training camp and suggest that he is preparing to take the
mantle of the "leader of young India" and "blossoming into a
leader with mass acceptability." During the two-day youth
training session, Rahul engaged in interactive discussions
ranging from pesticides in cola products -- he was against
closing the plants -- to defending the GOI,s globalization
policy and economic reforms. Given this publicity machine
that Rahul enjoys, we, unlike Naqvi, are not yet prepared to
write him off just yet.

MULFORD

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Post by MehtaRahulC » Sun May 20, 2018 1:35 am

http://epaper.bhaskar.com/bhilwara/158/19052018/0/6/

Bhilawara Bhasker reports - a senior officer of Central Home Ministry was asking Pakistani Hindus refugees to give bribes --- he was caught and arrested

One key demand of true seculars (like myself, I am true-secular anti-Hinduvaad) and Hinduvaadies is to accept in Hindus of Pakistan, Bangladesh, And here, we see a senior officer right below RSS leader Rajnath and RSS leader Modiji asking for bribes from Hindu refugees coming from Pakistan !!! During congress days, it was norm that every officer has to pass a 58% of bribes he collects to Minister/PM, and BRFites had accepted this bribe passing in congress days as a fact. So if you have evidences that that norm has ended, pls post those evidences. I am NOT making allegations against Sri Modiji on BRF.

But so much for their Hinduvaad of rss leaders and rss workers !!

My point is --- if your goal is to accept in Hindus of Pakistan / BD etc then pls publicize law-drafts which can do that and pls dont waste time after these rss-leaders and rss-workers. They are all fake hinduvaadies. They only want to collect votes using RJB, Hindu refugee problem, Bangladeshi infiltration problem etc

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RSS-workers are officially calling Krishna Janam Bhoomi Devalaya and Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya issues dead. Their argument is ---- "lets 'focus' on RJB Devalaya ONLY first , and we will get KJBD and KVD 'later'". So what the hell is later? Next life time? So again, those who want KJDB and KVD should decide what to do next.

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Post by chetak » Sun May 20, 2018 5:50 am

MehtaRahulC wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 1:35 am
http://epaper.bhaskar.com/bhilwara/158/19052018/0/6/

Bhilawara Bhasker reports - a senior officer of Central Home Ministry was asking Pakistani Hindus refugees to give bribes --- he was caught and arrested

One key demand of true seculars (like myself, I am true-secular anti-Hinduvaad) and Hinduvaadies is to accept in Hindus of Pakistan, Bangladesh, And here, we see a senior officer right below RSS leader Rajnath and RSS leader Modiji asking for bribes from Hindu refugees coming from Pakistan !!! During congress days, it was norm that every officer has to pass a 58% of bribes he collects to Minister/PM, and BRFites had accepted this bribe passing in congress days as a fact. So if you have evidences that that norm has ended, pls post those evidences. I am NOT making allegations against Sri Modiji on BRF.

But so much for their Hinduvaad of rss leaders and rss workers !!

My point is --- if your goal is to accept in Hindus of Pakistan / BD etc then pls publicize law-drafts which can do that and pls dont waste time after these rss-leaders and rss-workers. They are all fake hinduvaadies. They only want to collect votes using RJB, Hindu refugee problem, Bangladeshi infiltration problem etc

====================

RSS-workers are officially calling Krishna Janam Bhoomi Devalaya and Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya issues dead. Their argument is ---- "lets 'focus' on RJB Devalaya ONLY first , and we will get KJBD and KVD 'later'". So what the hell is later? Next life time? So again, those who want KJDB and KVD should decide what to do next.
If you have proof that bribes were asked for and paid, let's see the proof.

If you don't have it, then you are just another "true sickular" cats paw, peddling vomitus in the name of free speech.

Who is paying you??, to spew this unadulterated BS and hate against the community ??

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Post by chetak » Sun May 20, 2018 5:56 am

26/11 investigation shielded Indian hand in the entire case, says former MHA officer



26/11 investigation shielded Indian hand in the entire case, says former MHA officer

Abhinandan Mishra

May 19, 2018,

‘After the conviction of Kasab by the Sessions Court, two NAC members were batting for Kasab’s clemency. The whole thing was a collaborative exercise—notwithstanding that it was ISI which conceived and mobilised the entire event—to reach a particular narrative.’


Former Home ministry officer, R.V.S. Mani, who is one of the few officers who has extensive knowledge of how the 26/11 Mumbai attack was investigated, has claimed the investigation aimed at shielding Indian involvement in the entire case. Mani, at the time, was in the Internal Security division and was closely related to the working of the ministry’s arm that dealt with pre 26/11 and post 26/11 events.

Q: What is your reaction on former Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s recent admission about 26/11 Mumbai attack?

A: What is new about it? We all knew this. But for the first time, there has been a candid admission about how 26/11 was conceived, planned and executed, from an across-the-border person of significance. But this also throws up a few other questions that are related to the Indian involvement in this whole attack.

Q: What questions?

A: See, I do not want to shoot into the muddy air. But you must see the then Home Ministry’s reply to Starred Question of Lok Sabha No. 78. Replied on 2 March 2010, it states that “Intercepts have been shared with Pakistan”. What stopped the Home Ministry from replying that “all intercepts have been shared” instead of merely saying “intercepts have been shared”.

I have answered this in my forthcoming book, Hindu Terror, under the subheading “Another head rolls”. I am not stupid as to not know the difference between “intercepts” and “all intercepts”. You must know that this reply resulted in the concerned Joint Secretary (JS) being transferred from Internal Security Division on 2 March 2010 itself.

Q: Would you like to elaborate on this? Why was this particular JS transferred?

A: Actually there were teams of two joint secretaries who used to examine all the intercepts/evidences and take them to Home Minister before they were sent to the Ministry of External Affairs for onward sharing with Pakistan.

One or more such intercepts were knocked out (not by bureaucrats). I do not know exactly what it was. But these intercepts, if shared, would have betrayed involvement of a political assent and some ethnic group close to the then ruling dispensation. Hence, it was knocked out from the basket which was to be shared with Pakistan by the then Home Minister P. Chidambaram.

This became a ruse for Pakistani authorities to protect the accused (26/11 mastermind Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and six other suspects) and not taking their voice test. For the then ruling dispensation in India, this came as a respite as it suited their convenience. The public opinion in India was as if Pakistan was playing truant with trial whereas it was Indian establishment which was paving the way for them to play truant.


People pay tribute to the victims of 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks on its ninth anniversary in Agra, on 26 November 2017. IANS
Q: That is a serious charge. How can you say this?

A: I will only join the dots based on documents that are in the public domain. First let us take this. What does Indian Navy/Coast Guard do? Their job is to secure the coastal areas of the nations, which is done by continuous surveillance of the coastal areas wherever they are deployed. I have already elaborated this in our earlier meeting.

P. Chidambaram, as Home Minister, had in his statement in the Lok Sabha, on 11 December 2008 admitted that “Indian Navy had sighted ship in Pakistani Waters and later since no further intelligence was generated the search was abandoned “. This is the most specious statement.

The Indian Navy does not abandon their surveillance if Intelligence is not forthcoming. Intelligence is a force multiplier, hence, in the case of intelligence available, they reinforce the surveillance but the converse of it is not true. Here the Intelligence was about a possible coastal terror attack. It cannot be believed that the Indian Navy, still, by its own accord, abandoned its surveillance. You can safely state that the Indian Navy was asked to withdraw (its surveillance).

Now, the second point: During the attack, NSG’s deployment was delayed by three hours by the incumbent minister. This can be corroborated by independent experts, too. That gave the terrorist a lot of strategic advantage. Basically, it was a war. Hence, every minute’s delay was costing us.

Q: What were the officers concerned doing at that time?

A: See, it is a matter of record that by design or by default, the top layer of the Indian Internal Security officers were held up in Pakistan when this attack took place. The rest of the officers, who were there in the MHA on the 26/11 night, did suggest to the Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil that as an interim measure, the locally available resources in Mumbai should be deployed—like the CISF which is an expert force on securing vital installations. One company each could have been drawn up from Mumbai Airport and sent as reinforcement. There is CRPF battalion in Navi Mumbai which could have been utilised ad interim. But the Union Home Minister did not respond to these suggestions. I feel in retrospect that there was design to his silence. The build-up leading to the 26/11 betrayed a lot of things, like the date of Home Secretary Level Meeting that happened on 25 November in Pakistan.

Q: Why do you feel that this meeting was a part of a design?

A: A Joint anti-terror mechanism was started in October 2008 between India and Pakistan. You must note that during such similar previous meetings that were held in July 2007, the Pakistani Interior Secretary left the meeting halfway citing some Lal Masjid Attack. Nothing worthwhile ever came out of all this.

The CBI- FIA cooperation on tackling organised crime syndicate was also coming up as a cropper. The dossier exchange was also a routine, which ended with P. Chidambaram discrediting all our Indian dossiers in March 2011, in the next Home Secretary Level Talk, when one or two persons whose names were in the Indian Dossier that were shared with Pakistan, were found to be in Indian Jails.

Now after the talks had been scheduled for 25 November 2008, someone introduced a new delegate to accompany the officials who were going to Pakistan—this was against the convention. Strategically, this official, by virtue of his job title, became the No. 2 of the delegation. Now, in Islamabad, the then Union Home Secretary earnestly relied upon his suggestion, overruling the suggestion of other delegates on account of seniority. As a result, all but one officer of the delegation were stuck in Pakistan when the carnage was taking place on 26/11.

Q: What happened there after?

A: Kasab is captured. The nationality of Kasab as a Pakistani is confirmed only on 7 January 2009 or some such date. In the interim period, my experience of 30 December 2008, which I have already elaborated to you earlier, was reported to MHA on 31 December 2008, but was taken up with Delhi Police commissioner only on 19 January 2009. Despite that, the Delhi Police did not file an FIR in the case, obviously due to pressure from the minister. It was an attempt to ensure the release of Kasab by trading with a kidnapped officer of the security establishment, but it got botched up.

Hence, the entire 26/11 episode, notwithstanding the fact that it was conceived, executed by ISI, had Indian involvement. Now go to the reply of the above Lok Sabha Question. Kasab during investigation did admit to have received help from Indians which the investigators did not pursue or were told not to pursue—we do not know.

After the conviction of Kasab by the Sessions Court, two NAC (National Advisory Council) members were batting for Kasab’s clemency. Don’t you see a pattern? These are questions which need to be answered. Also, there was a book which stated that the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack was “RSS ki Saazish” (the book was written by a journalist). The whole thing was a collaborative exercise—notwithstanding that it was ISI which conceived and mobilised the entire event—to reach a particular narrative.

You should also see the funding aspect. It was a common knowledge that terror attacks in India during those days were funded by FICN. Few months before 26/11, the State Bank of India, Domriayaganj branch, in Eastern Uttar Pradesh, was found to be holding a huge cache of Fake Indian Currency Notes. There are many dots. These need to be joined to get the entire narrative.

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Post by Hari Seldon » Sun May 20, 2018 6:15 am

As a Modi-voter who seriously sympathizes with parts of the 'core' agenda, I'm a tad saddened to see stalwarts I've followed for a decade+ (starting the awesome ibix post by RD) insinuate what is quite frankly, laughable stuff on these pages.

The core is very much part of PIF, very much in support of the vikas agenda etc etc. The canard spread that the core wants to displace the vikas agenda is a lie but repeated often, perhaps as an ad-hominem substitute for reasoned argument.

All the core wants is acknowledgement that their concerns are legit too, aren't lying abandoned and forgotten somewhere etc. More than that action where such can be taken or at least stated intent in its place. What explains the appointment of Ramchandra Guha and Nalini Sundar to NCERT by Modi sarkar? Why allow rampant marxist distortions in our textbooks in state syllabi of states like RJ (4/5th majority for BJP and 4+ yrs in power there)_ to continue for all these yrs? Etc.

Why is it considered blashphemous or traitorous tobring such avoidable lapses to public attention? Why are we in the core hated for lobbying for our concerns, same as other groups lobby for theirs?

And now here comes the creme-de-la-creme.
Unfortunately, by then, all the current bellyaching by some that "Modi Sarkar isn't doing ENOUGH for CORE Hindu agenda" will have had its enfeebling effect, and will prove itself to be the Jai Chandra rationale for self-serving indifference and cowardly inaction that it actually is.
In that one sentence, the suave, articulate wordsmith of yore reveals that Modi voters he disagrees with on other issues are [1] bellyaching whiners, [2] enfeeblers of the nationalist cause, [3] plain traitors, Jai chand[ra]s [sic], [4] self-serving, [5] cowards, ... etc.

Cho chweet and cute. Laughable too, like I said. The 'core' folks who've backed the BJP [and Modi] from before it was fashionable to do so, who suffered c-system witchhunts and emergency excesses, who campaigned tirelessly for BJP and Modi sarkar are now all bellyachers, enfeeblers, traitors and self-serving cowards! wah-bhai-wah.

Its a serious set of allegations if not accusations. Should be based on some sorta proof, perhaps, no? Turns out the only proof needed is that sri sri Rudradev garu ji says it is so. Must be true only, then. No? Lol.

Go on with your diatribe, saars. We of the core will not be silenced or cowed by your clearly venomous disapproval. Know also that we harbour no hate against you (only against the C-system) despite your plain hatred for us. Jai hind and Jai ho. Only.

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Post by abhijit » Sun May 20, 2018 7:17 am

Abolish state assemblies and empower each district administration. With huge population we need narrower focus than a state.

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Post by Supratik » Sun May 20, 2018 7:44 am

Hari, you keep on repeating the same even after explanation is given. MAD first wants total political control over India before any substantive "core" changes can be brought in. Reason is if BIFs remain powerful all "core" changes will be temporary as the moment they come back to power they will reverse everything. I am sure even the various Jaichand's of Indian history were good Hindus.

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Post by MehtaRahulC » Sun May 20, 2018 1:24 pm

[modiji = rss = bjp ] first wants total political control over India before any substantive "core" changes can be brought in. Reason is if BIFs remain powerful all "core" changes will be temporary as the moment they come back to power they will reverse everything. I am sure even the various Jaichand's of Indian history were good Hindus.
This is the script FIF i.e. "Fool India Forces" have drafted to ensure that Hindus keep voting for Modiji, and Modiji keep handing over economy to usuk-elitemen using FDI and keep handing over poor Hindus to Missionaries by breaking health/education services given to poor Hindus.

from 1998 - 2004 , wait-pitch was "what we can we do with just PM position? we dont have 51% majority in LS. so wait for 51% majority in LS"

from 2014 - 2018 , wait-pitch has been "what we can we do with just PM position and just 51% position in LS? we dont have 51% majority in RS. so wait for 51% majority in R and LS both"

And soon it will be "wait till Yogi becomes PM, wait till have 2/3rd majority in BOTH houses" and endless waiting

So rss-workers propose "wait for ever" as solution. And solution I propose is "raise mass movement to get referendum type law passed", and then we commons wont wait for even one day. Each one has to decide.

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Post by Supratik » Sun May 20, 2018 1:45 pm

I have no time for your nonsense. Come back when you can write two sentences that make sense. I don't read your posts. Skip mine.

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Post by Supratik » Sun May 20, 2018 2:22 pm

Let us take a look at the core issues.

1) RJB - In SC, can't do much about it at present.
2) UCC - Right now Law Commission is drafting a proposal, can't do much after that without RS majority.
3) Illegal immigration - NRC update initiated the moment govt was formed in Assam, estimated 6 million illegal detected so far. Declared no citizenship rights. Voting rights to be withdrawn. What they do after that remains to be seen.
4) TT bill - Stalled in RS by "seculars".
5) RTE bill - needs amendment. Will not pass in RS without majority.
6) Cow protection bill - Passed in almost all BJP ruled states. Made stricter.
7) Anti-conversion bill - Jharkhand has passed the bill, UK preparing one.
8) Art 35A, Art 370 - Constitutional amendment. Requires 2/3 in LS and RS. Can't do much. Criticism - should not be defended in SC.
9) Pundit rehab: Without clearing out terrorists, resettled Pundits will be soft targets for terrorists unless garrisoned by army.

Where is the reason to whine?

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Post by srikumar » Sun May 20, 2018 2:37 pm

^^^ Nice constructive post. Factual. The only thing I'll add as missing is govt. control of temples (is that a 'state subject', and if not, does it require Rajya Sabha approval?). The other things are: control of NGOs, which the govt. has done something about, control of surreptitious foreign money inflows, which the govt has done something about.

A post by poster 'achoudhry' 2-3 days ago suggests that about 6-7 MLA seats in B'lore area was lost due to registered voters not showing up, or NOTA ( 2% per his calc.). If true, the disaffected people have a major decision to make on their stance for 2019. The current DRAMAyana in Karnataka, playing out in slow motion this week, and for the next 12 months will be a reminder.

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Post by Supratik » Sun May 20, 2018 2:57 pm

Thanks. Updated.

1) RJB - In SC, can't do much about it at present.
2) UCC - Right now Law Commission is drafting a proposal, can't do much after that without RS majority.
3) Illegal immigration - NRC update initiated the moment govt was formed in Assam, estimated 6 million illegal detected so far. Declared no citizenship rights. Voting rights to be withdrawn. What they do after that remains to be seen.
4) TT bill - Stalled in RS by "seculars".
5) RTE bill - needs amendment. Will not pass in RS without majority.
6) Cow protection bill - Passed in almost all BJP ruled states. Made stricter.
7) Anti-conversion bill - Jharkhand has passed the bill, UK preparing one.
8) Art 35A, Art 370 - Constitutional amendment. Requires 2/3 in LS and RS. Can't do much. Criticism - should not be defended in SC.
9) Pundit rehab: Without clearing out terrorists, resettled Pundits will be soft targets for terrorists unless garrisoned by army.
10) NGO menace - Rules implemented. Thousands of FCRA NGOs have been derecognized.
11) Temple management. No action taken. Not even in Gujarat.

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Post by Sridhar k » Sun May 20, 2018 3:01 pm

In Maha, temples are being taken over by Govt.

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Post by suryag » Sun May 20, 2018 3:22 pm

Folks - i remember reading about the oil price stabilization fund/or those huge oil tanks built close to Vizag, why arent they kicking in ? The only word on the streets is the petrol/diesel price and on this issue the NaMo Govt is negative on rest other issues NaMo Government is neutral or positive

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Rudradev » Sun May 20, 2018 3:24 pm

The impulse to define oneself as belonging to a persecuted minority who knows better than all others...
to complain that one's pet concerns are not being addressed fast enough to gratify one's quickly-defraying attention span and/or long-held commitment to principles...
and then (lo and behold) to loudly claim victimhood by an oppressive majority when the inconsistencies in one's position are pointed out.

Never seen anything like that happen before in the Indian political landscape, I must say. :roll:

There's no denying that such behaviour indicates the "Core" of something.

Is that "something" in fact a mass Indic-civilizational constituency organizing itself to realistically influence GOI policy in a beneficial way?

Or is it some perverse mirror-image of the C-system's worst "Idea of India" constructs, whose primary (if unwitting) purpose is to spread FUD and dissension among Hindus for the C-system's benefit?

That's the question.

I have seen no indication, to date, that the answer is the former and not the latter. I would like to be proved wrong.

The methodology employed by this "Core": how it expands (or not) its influence, how it behaves politically, how it pursues the goals it claims to espouse... is actually more informative in this regard than any position statements its adherents might make.

What we have observed already is that the "Core" chooses to project itself as a persecuted minority of omniscient (dharmics, in this instance) whose voices are somehow systematically "silenced" by the mere existence of opposing points of view.

Unfortunately, this approach leaves the "Core" looking more (not less) like a useful idiot column of the C-system. It is, in fact, typical of Mainority politicking where the mere qualifications of having small(er) numbers, going against the grain of "majority" opinion, and claiming victimhood when criticized, become virtue-signaling substitutes for any sort of rational argumentation.

But I'm sure the "Core" knows better than I do about the wisdom of that approach (as apparently about everything else). Lage raho.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by srikumar » Sun May 20, 2018 5:17 pm

Two more items that can go on the list:
* Haj subsidy withdrawn. Money to be applied to women's causes.
*Another is the requirement of an adult male to accompany Haj women: requirement removed- this may not be seen as a major thing, but govt did opine and act in an area long considered to be out of the purview of GOI action. This is a first.


Rudradev mian-
only request from my side....take their stance on BGF at face value....i.e. they are not happy with the progress and would like atleast a public acknowledgement of their concerns. Insinuating other motives to their stance may not be useful.

What is not clear to me is whether the stance advocated here on BGF by the 'core people' is actually representative of the disaffectation among the people who did not show up in B'lore in the recent elections (where an additional 2% of the 35% or so who did not vote would have made all the difference).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Rudradev » Sun May 20, 2018 5:56 pm

Oh I certainly take their stated objectives at face value, and I admire those objectives. They are my objectives too.

In fact, I would be very surprised if even one Modi/BJP voter can be found who does NOT share those objectives. Reclaiming temples, scrapping RTE, UCC, Ending 35A/370, an end to mainority handouts. Safeguarding Hindu families from predatory Abrahamic proselytuzation, protecting Hindu women from love jihad, severely punishing those who murder dharmic social and political workers. Which of us would not support those things?

And that is precisely the problem. The objectives are laudable. The methods of achieving them, by contrast are actively detrimental.

The self-styled Core has adopted a rhetorical posture whereby:

-Onlee they are aware how much khatra Hindu dharm is actually in, and how imminent this khatra is.

-Onlee they feel a sense of urgency to elevate these so-called "Core" agenda items on the prority list of GOI policymaking.

-Others in the dharmic camp are either (1) too dhimmified (2) too opportunistic and compromised (3) too short-sighted (4) too blindly infatuated with the personality cult of Modi to make the same level of noise as they are about such "Core" agenda items. (Whether the noisemaking is actually helpful in any way, or achieving anything at all, is never honestly evaluated amidst the bombast and self-righteousness of its loud projection).

-When all this is pointed out, quite rightly, by the majority of politically dharmic Modi/BJP supporters for the completely self-aggrandizing fiction that it is, the "Core's" response is to cry victimhood, marginalization, suppression, whatnot whatnot by dharmics ostensibly less pyoor than themselves.

I will leave it to everyone to judge for themselves how sound of an approach that is, in terms of methodology. And whether the posturing (satisfying as it may be to play the "lone, marginalized voice of enlightenment in the wilderness"), is ultimately helpful or harmful to dharmic political unity & to securing interests that we ALL have in common.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by shravanp » Sun May 20, 2018 6:19 pm

hanumadu wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 6:07 pm
If Modi does not get elected in 2019, I am done with Hindutva and BJP. I don't have the patience to wait for another 10 or 15 years for another coalition BJP govt. Let the 'core right' elect their Hindutva leader who can fulfill all their wishes in a single term.
With vested interests who are aiding and perpetrating demographic changes in India, Christo-Islamic population will soon come to a tipping point where Hindu vote will be rendered useless even if they become consolidated. If Modi doesn't come back in 2019, the picture will be grim and India's future will be uncertain.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sun May 20, 2018 7:58 pm

suryag wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 3:22 pm
Folks - i remember reading about the oil price stabilization fund/or those huge oil tanks built close to Vizag, why arent they kicking in ? The only word on the streets is the petrol/diesel price and on this issue the NaMo Govt is negative on rest other issues NaMo Government is neutral or positive
Those oil tanks are for storage and not for price stabilization.

We have other strategic reserves for real emergencies like wars and disrupted supplies from oil producing sources.

We have to ride this one out, maybe cut duties both in the state and center, tighten our belts and reduce consumption.

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