The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Mon May 14, 2018 6:40 am

JohnTitor wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 2:26 am
When BJP is at the state and it's a state subject, we hear various excuses camouflaged as "strategic thinking" for the lack of action on any Indic front.

While we wait for the right muhurtha, seculars will take every opportunity to chip away at Indic future.
+1.

The excuse-makers for Modi sarkar in this case are PIFs too. maybe its wishful thinking on their part that this is some chankian move, maybe its some fundamentally deep insight into things that you and I are unaware or incapable of 'getting', maybe its plain n simple delusion, maybe its all of these or none of these, who knows.

I'd previously railed against the 'rah-rah' crowd but what's the point really? As long as we're all on the same PIF page, we can all get along I guess. We don't have to agree on the how (where's the fun in that) as long as we agree on the what (the PIF goals) I guess.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Aditya_V » Mon May 14, 2018 7:36 am

I don't think it some chanakian move but rather laziness and lets face it for 60 years, INC system has recruited the Police and Babus, they will not change in a day. And priniting presses have recruiting only pro left personal in them. Remember the writers book was cancelled in 2014 just because he supported N. Modi. So it will take 10-15 years clean all this. Just like media the eco system has only allowed Left printing presses and personal. Now to develop alternate printing presses with alternate staff with experience will take some time. Till then these employees, owners will keep trying to push in thier ideology. Lies, Deceit and abuses like Bhakts, fascist etc are greatest traits of these Leftist-- Secular ecosystem (which includes fundamentalist minorities). The wealth in this nation has so far been concentrated in thier hands, the controlled private industries to promotions in them. Thier networks are stronger since they don't work but only network. It will take some time before these get addressed.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Mon May 14, 2018 10:12 am

Shashi Tharoor named as accused in Sunanda Pushkar death case
The judges and court officials would need a dictionary and thesaurus at their side when Mr. Tharoor gets on the dock :roll: ;).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Gus » Mon May 14, 2018 10:50 am

Cases being filed after proper foundation work done

R&d folks now to sing different lament “what about judgment and jail...when will Modi do that”...

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Mon May 14, 2018 11:13 am

WB panchayat poll violence is daylight murder of 'democracy' such as it is. Pin drop silence in the media, understandably. On BGF too seems like.

Wonder why they're using ballot papers for panchayat polls. Aren't all polls via EVMs nowadays?

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Post by ashokk » Mon May 14, 2018 11:19 am

'Menacing language': Congress leaders, ex-PM Manmohan Singh write to President against Modi :))
NEW DELHI: Congress leaders led by former PM Manmohan Singh wrote to President Ram Nath Kovind complaining against Prime Minister Narendra Modi's "menacing language" against the party's leadership.

Citing comments made by Modi at a recent election rally in Hubli wherein he said that Congress leaders would suffer consequences if they crossed the line, the letter to the president sought the Prime Minister be cautioned against using language that does not behoove the office he occupies.

"The threat held out by the Prime Minister to the INC's leadership deserves to be condemned. This cannot be the language of the Prime Minister of a constitutionally governed democratic country of 1.4 billion people. Such discourse whether in public or private is unacceptable conduct. The words used are menacing and intimidating with intent to insult and provoke breach of the peace," the letter states.

Congress alleged that PM Modi's use of objectionable language in the midst of an election campaign is tantamount to using his powers and privileges to settle personal and political scores.

"Honourable President may caution the Prime Minister from using such unwarranted, threatening and intimidating language against leaders of the Congress party or any other party or person as it does not behove the position of the Prime Minister (sic)," it said.

INC COMMUNIQUE Letter to the President of India by Former Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh; LoP Rajya Sabha, Lea… https://t.co/VI1foAxoJl
— INC Sandesh (@INCSandesh) 1526287053000

The letter was signed by senior Congress leaders Manmohan Singh, Mallikarjun Kharge, P Chidambaram, Digvijaya Singh, Ahmed Patel and Ambika Soni, among others.

The complaint was concerning the following remarks made by PM Modi while he was spearheading the BJP's high-decibel poll campaign in Karnataka, where voting took place on May 12.

"The party whose heads are out on bail are asking me questions? Congress leaders should listen with utmost attention. If you cross the line, then this is Modi, you will have to pay for it," he had said. :twisted:

PM Modi asks why Sonia and Rahul Gandhi are out on bail in a 5,000cr scam https://t.co/dw6P0tqYSs via NMApp
— Ananthkumar (@AnanthKumar_BJP) 1525676016000

Congress spokesperson Randeep Surjewala took to Twitter and said: "PM Modi’s unbecoming conduct and threatening language deserves severe condemnation. No PM has stooped so low and brought the office of Prime Minister into disrepute as Modi ji has continuously done."

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Post by Primus » Mon May 14, 2018 12:33 pm

^ Yeah right!

Pot calling the kettle black. We all know how they abused him after 2002, especially during the 2014 elections until he showed them who the public believed more. No other political leader has suffered so much abuse as Modi in India's history. This is yet another attempt by the Congoons to malign his character as they have nothing else to talk about.

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Post by Sachin » Mon May 14, 2018 1:53 pm

Hari Seldon wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 11:13 am
WB panchayat poll violence is daylight murder of 'democracy' such as it is. Pin drop silence in the media, understandably. On BGF too seems like.
Times Now and Republic TV were giving a good coverage of the West Bengal model 'democracy'. But in states like KL, people are really enjoying the thrashing which the CPI(M) cadres are getting :lol:. Felt it strange that in West Bengal EVMs were not used at all.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Mon May 14, 2018 3:13 pm

1. Happy to see open coverage of the WB panchayat poll situ in major Hindi channels as well. Commendable. HMO has asked WB govt for a 'report' on he violence, apparently. Will have to see where that goes.

2. Zee showing videos of the Aurangabad riots - wanton destruction of property in MH police presence. WTF were the cops doing, I have to wonder.

Like some tweep raised the issue forcefully on twitter - when HR police could shoot-at-sight the Dera activists and rioters, why not these malsic ones as well? Just coz they're malsic, they're immune to law, order and consequences, even in a bjp ruled state? WTH?!

3. Asom CM Sonowal saying all bangaldesi hindu refugees too should be asked to leave alongwith the malsic ones, under the center's proposed citizenship bill. Else he will resign.

BJP shoul resettle the hindu refugees in Jammu, Delhi and other (BJP) states while kicking out the rohingya parasites. Of course the loudships are preventing any movement on the rohingya issue, center should formulate ordinance and move ahead, like they did for the SC/ST act 'dilution'. Onlee.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Mon May 14, 2018 3:36 pm

Republic breaking news: Piyush Goyal is the new Union Finance minister. Jaitley out coz of health issues?

Rajyavardhan Rathore is the new I&B mantri.

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Post by Indrad » Mon May 14, 2018 4:40 pm

insiders from KA are hedging bets on congress...apparently muslims have come out in massive number to vote.

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Post by Dilbu » Mon May 14, 2018 4:41 pm

BJP will lose onlee. :)) :)) :))

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Post by Indrad » Mon May 14, 2018 5:13 pm

thanks but it is too little too late.

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Post by hanumadu » Mon May 14, 2018 6:01 pm

Indrad wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 4:40 pm
insiders from KA are hedging bets on congress...apparently muslims have come out in massive number to vote.
What is new here? Muslims ALWAYS come out in massive numbers and they NEVER vote for BJP.
If BJP loses, its because Hindus did not vote for BJP.

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Post by Narasimha » Mon May 14, 2018 6:07 pm

Indrad wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 5:13 pm
thanks but it is too little too late.
Its not over till tge fat lady sings

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Post by Indrad » Mon May 14, 2018 7:47 pm

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... TOIDesktop
on expected lines nimo has reached UK and hiding some where

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Rudradev » Mon May 14, 2018 8:24 pm

Karnataka is gone.

http://5forty3.in/gaze_articles.php?articalid=213

Dr. Praveen Patil predicts 91 seats to Bhajpa. 103 at the very maximum if ALL swing districts go their way. Which they won't.

Urban areas, especially Bangalore, saw a pathetic turnout of voters. Rural areas, where people were motivated to support Congress by Siddaramaiah's giveaways, showed far better turnout. Muslim-dominated constituencies featured 86-90% turnout! So the "overall 73%" turnout combined with horribly low voting in the cities spells certain doom.

The state will see a Congress govt propped up by JDS.

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Post by Rudradev » Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 pm

The bigger picture however may not be that bad.

What we've seen in Gujarat and then Karnataka is that, at least in the bigger states, there is an anti-anti-incumbency trend in effect for the time being. Smaller states don't always follow the trend: we saw it hold up in Nagaland but not Tripura. Meghalaya was a toss-up because while the ruling alliance changed from UPA to NDA, one of the coalition partners (UDP) from the incumbent government retained the enthusiasm of voters despite switching allegiances to a different national coalition.

Tripura might well prove to be the exception that proves the rule (the Left was so horrible that it had to go, but few incumbents are at that threshold of unpopularity).

Around 2013 the national public mood was all about "change". There was a sentiment of despair in the country regarding frequent inflationary shocks, massive distrust in institutions (scam after scam reported), large-scale socio-cultural shakeups (like Nirbhaya, Baba Ramdev, Anna Hazare's campaign etc.) Modi and Kejriwal both tried to ride in on the popular wave demanding change. Only Modi succeeded.

The momentum of the "change" wave (which Modi made his own) continued, I would say, up to the UP election. Since then it has dissipated as new ground realities have set in and new public expectations have been established based upon them.

For the last year, we have a situation where the economy is doing better but more importantly, stabilizing. Jobs are being created and filled. Many yojanas have made life at least somewhat better for people on the micro-level. Initiatives like demonetization, GST, Aadhaar have been widely criticized, even resented, but on the whole they seem to have provided people with a sense that order is being imposed on previous chaos where jungly goonda-raj was the law of the land, when only the rich and powerful found success, everything was corrupt, and no institution could be trusted.

The perception is that some kind of "system" is now being brought into effect whereby a set of rules (however onerous) is applied to all evenly. Rules are important for an aspirational population... they are the guidelines according to which success and prosperity can be fairly achieved. A government that enforces them justly and consistently is what people currently want.

Best of all for Bhajpa: the face of "change" is now Rahul Gandhi (who, despite receiving more chances than any politician in Indian history, has proven incapable of changing at all). The Congress Raj was the exact opposite of rules-based governance. Rules were pulled out of the @ss of the governing family to benefit or disadvantage select individuals or groups in an arbitrary fashion. The rich and powerful never had to follow any rules that inconvenienced them, as long as they stayed on the family's good side. The middle classes were constantly on the lookout for the next "short-cut" or "quick-buck" scheme, because of course the steady long-haul of hard work and dedication would never get you anywhere in a corrupt system. The poor were given freebies and sops at election time, and left to fester in their squalor at all other times. Society was denied even the self-respect of a clean public environment with sanitation, garbage collection and public toilets.

From the ground up, from Swacchh Bharat onwards, EVERY program launched by Modi has been designed specifically to counter the mass realities of Congress raj, one by one, at every level.

What this all means is that (I believe) the purely emotional component of voting, the public political sentiment, has shifted from wanting "change" to wanting "stability" or "consistency". Things may not be supremely great at the national OR state level, people may still want more things from their government (like we on BGR want a more level playing field for Hindus, etc.) but in general they are not unbearably bad. Compared to 2013, most people have decided they can live with the way things are, and maybe even prosper with the way things are. At least there is reason for the common man to hope that by hard work and determination you can have a fair shot at success, without some neta's relative stepping on your face to climb ahead of you.

So for now it's better to try and make a go of it to improve your life, and the lives of your family, rather than demanding more "change" and then having to adjust to a completely new set of ground rules which may or may not be fair. (With Rahul Gandhi as PM, there is no question how "fair" they will be).

Unfortunately this drift towards anti-anti-incumbency benefits whoever is in power at any level... municipality, state, center. Fortunately it has come at a point when the Congis have only three states to preserve, and Bhajpa has many of the rest. Barring any terrible mishap that has the potential to substantially alter public perception, I think anti-anti-incumbency will set the tone for the 2019 GE as well.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by shravanp » Mon May 14, 2018 9:52 pm

JohnTitor wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 2:26 am
shravanp wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 7:33 pm
That's good that we are thinking thru all the analysis, cat/mouse game and all. Just that when Congoons come back to power, they are quite unabashed about all this and totally brutal in pursuing "their" agenda on day one. They know there will be outrage but they still go ahead with with what they believe in.
Agreed. That was my point. When BJP is at the state and it's a state subject, we hear various excuses camouflaged as "strategic thinking" for the lack of action on any Indic front.

While we wait for the right muhurtha, seculars will take every opportunity to chip away at Indic future.
Absolutely saar. I personally abhor such ideas. Agreed there's some chankian strategies that may exist, but I certainly see no chankian-ness in maintaining toxic textbooks after 4 years, despite achieving brute force majority.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Rudradev » Mon May 14, 2018 10:25 pm

There is no "indic" constituency. How many citizens of India do you think actually define their identity in terms of "Indic", "Dharmic", or even "Hindu" primarily? My bet is that 99.999% of those we categorize as "Hindu" will identify first with region, mother-tongue, caste etc. To them "Hindu"/"Dharmic" is like the sky... it's always there overhead so you never notice it. Sometimes when it rains people remember the sky is there (e.g. a riot, a terrorist attack) but the weather changes and they promptly forget again, their attention and identification quickly transferred to more immediate things.

If you want GOI to take action on the "Indic" front, you first have to do the hard work of building a mass constituency of Indian voters who think along the lines of identifying themselves first, foremost, and consistently as "Indic". i.e. In the same way as Muslims identify themselves as Muslim. This simply does not exist as of today, other than the miniscule and altogether negligible collection of individuals on social media and forums like this one. NO GOI will waste its time tailoring policies to a constituency this small.

The ONLY advantage of BJP/Modi is that, IF we build up a mass constituency of "Indics" successfully, they will listen to us. Everybody else will concoct a narrative of "Hindu terrorism", throw our leaders in jail, and crush us by all available means if we even TRY to create such a constituency.

That's the reality of the situation. No point griping, get to work and build the constituency from the ground up. We may not have much time.

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Post by Gus » Tue May 15, 2018 2:02 am

voter group constituency is done by a that constituency leaders delivering that vote in exchange for a concession.

see how the evangelical vote was delivered in exchange for judge nominations, despite trump being against the "family values" or whatever it is that the evanjis preach about.

the closest "indic" constituency is the one that the rss represents and it looks like it is solidly behind modi. rss delivered and they got yogi, right?

i just don't get the gripe about modi on this.

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Post by Chandragupta » Tue May 15, 2018 8:11 am

Gus wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:02 am

the closest "indic" constituency is the one that the rss represents and it looks like it is solidly behind modi. rss delivered and they got yogi, right?

i just don't get the gripe about modi on this.
We do have an 'indic constituency' in India and it has developed post RJB movement. RSS & Sangh parivaar organisations represent exactly that. We all want that Modi should flick his fingers and all Muslims of India should become Jai Shri Ram shouting dharmics but that is never going to happen. We need to understand that the Congressis & Seculars have already done irreversible damage to this country from which we may never recover. We have over 200 million Malsis in our midst - 20 crore and growing at a breakneck speed. I did some calculations and it seems do whatever you can, even if the decadal growth rate goes down and remains there (at 15%), Muslims WILL cross 450 million in 50 years in India. There is no running from this fact. Imagine 45 crore Muslims in the same amount of land and resources and what it means for our future generations.

Damage was already done when the British Dalals Gandhi & Nehru did not insist on complete exchange of population. A huge part of the blame lies on our ancestors' shoulders who followed these traitors and allowed them to do what they pleased.

Now the best Modi & co can do is to nudge the Malsis of this country towards modernisation and break the hold of the Mullahs which they are attempting via TT and UCC (hopefully). If they succeed in educating the Muslim women, it will go a long way to calming these rageboys and prevent a future civil war.

But funny thing is that despite these facts out there in the open, how many Hindus are actually worried? I see dhimmis all the time. If I give them these figures, their only reaction is a frowned 'So what?'.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue May 15, 2018 10:13 am

The mainorities have consolidated like crazy behind the sekular parties regardless of the 'saka saath' rhetoric. They will take whatever vikas comes their way and spit on BJP in return. Proven time and again in poll after poll.

And with their growing numbers - the cryptos among the SCs and the malsics growing at twice+ the national average, each election becomes a harder one to win for the only non-anti-Hindu political party out there. Period.

Now JDS has accepted CM-ship offered by INC and are staking claim tomorrow for govt formation. The template for a 2019 gang-up of all sekular parties post poll is out in the open, period. make no mistake, if BJP falls even a single digit number of seats short of 272 in '19, the opposition and NDA partners will come together and form the central govt. Or so I fear.

Hope is the post mortem for this situ in KA will show that BJP has to go after energizing and consolidating the non-mainority vote, by having majority-specific schemes etc, period. Or so I hope.

Only.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Tue May 15, 2018 10:53 am

Hari Seldon wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 10:13 am
Now JDS has accepted CM-ship offered by INC and are staking claim tomorrow for govt formation. The template for a 2019 gang-up of all sekular parties post poll is out in the open, period.
Similar was the game plan of Nitish & Lalu with their "Thugbandhan". That time every one was gloating that this template is proven one and they can replicate it. See what happened? The template itself is now broken up, with one of the heroes now sitting inside a prison cell. Ganging up of "secular parties" will work, but only for a short time. A unified opposition can still break it. Another plan of the "seculars" was to have a unified front led by Mamtha Banerjee as the PM candidate. Her party was beating up one of the prospective alliance partners black and blue in West Bengal yesterday. CPI(M) cadres were beaten such thoroughly so much so that finger prints of the TMC gangs could be taken from the back side of the commies. This is the kind of unity they have.
Hope is the post mortem for this situ in KA will show that BJP has to go after energizing and consolidating the non-mainority vote, by having majority-specific schemes etc, period. Or so I hope.
That can only happen if BJP actually plans to form the government. Looks like has consolidated its votes in many areas (Lingayath belt, Coastal KA belt etc.). This is also the time for the KA BJP to see how they put up a fight as an opposition. If they want they can still put pressure on the JD(S) folks to cancel many such pro-minority schemes.

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Post by Hari Seldon » Tue May 15, 2018 11:22 am

Following letter from HDK to KA guv'r seeking a 5.30 appointment today and declaring INC support, 'leaked' to the press. P.S. From twitter, so TIFWIW.

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