Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by Muns » Thu May 21, 2020 2:16 am

KP Oli, as now blamed the rising cases of coronavirus in Nepal squarely among Indians entering into Nepal. His offhand comments about a Indian virus being more lethal than Chinese or Italy's virus I am sure won't go down well in Delhi. KP Oli has long been influenced by China and I'm sure that his bank accounts must be stuffed with Chinese Yen.
Nepal over the last week has also been indulging under KP Oli in cartographic aggression to which India has basically thrown out. I'm not sure what such aggressive posturing by KP Oli will actually prove.

The fascinating thing is that the Chinese now are claiming all of Everest but you haven't seen anything of the response from Nepal towards the Chinese in their claim to having all of Everest within their territory.
It's unfortunate because India pumps hundreds of millions of dollars into Nepal all across when it comes to infrastructure as well as education and health. There is no department left untouched by Indian hands. Unfortunately we have not been able to place even a little bit of funds into the propaganda scheme.

It is well worth the effort now to consider the Sikkimization of Nepal. RSS as well as VHP already have grassroots throughout Nepal and it would be well worth towards expanding on the already existing anti-Kathmandu elite feeling among much of Nepalis the country over.
The Kathmandu elite hold little sway among the Madhesi, JAnjati and Tharu communities. Perhaps with enough cash on hand, various sections of the Kathmandu elite being the Kshetris can be bought back into the Indian fold.
With enough voter sway, pro-India friendly political parties can be placed with the eventual goal of autonomy within an Indian Republic framework.

We will shortly be starting another Nepalis supporting India Facebook group for this kind of vision. We will please encourage you to join and further the vision of her social media group of Nepalis that are supportive towards India.

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by Muns » Thu May 28, 2020 7:15 am

As usual Nepal had to back down. They are now latest news reports of Nepal having to accept or tone down from its rhetoric. It unfortunately backed itself into a situation where it really couldn't ally with China knowing to some extent its historical lineage as well as trying to put a brave face against India. Fact is economically as well as on multiple metrics for survival, Nepal is entirely dependent on India.

It is a however unfortunate factor that in its confused scramble to created identity for itself, the top political brass being the elite Nepalis of Kathmandu our elite class or the Kshetris, have tried as a last ditch attempt to try and align with China. At the end of the day, I am sure most Nepalis would hold their religion as well as cultural upbringing against any Chinese brainwashing. However, it is not a time to be complacent. Unfortunately even money and finances can overcome any inherent distrust between both Nepal and India.

The die is struck. Most investors will likely await for a huge Covid 19 impact before deciding to invest again. This would lead to increasing poverty levels in Nepal. It is absolutely imperative that we try to reach out and support all needy population with a view towards changing views in Nepal.

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by Muns » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:48 am

For those that are able, we have just started a new Facebook group called Nepalis supporting India. Run by the India Aware team, it hosts various videos on which we have Nepalis speaking to a positive aspect towards India. With support, we hoping for a lot more members in order to help towards the propaganda war with regard to Nepal and China.

Would appreciate if members would join the Nepalis Supporting India forum, with the hope towards building a more favorable Nepali group with Indian interests.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nepalissupportingindia/

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by Muns » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:55 am

Posting the image below as it is the first image that I have really seen clearly showing the area claimed by Nepal. As we can see this is a hugely strategic area involving three of the main passes with regard to connection to Tibet especially close to Kailash and Mansarovar. It would also include the area of strategic and religious importance of Om Parvat as well.

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https://kathmandupost.com/columns/2020/ ... kh-dispute

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by Muns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:26 am

Decided to make a short article of it. Posting here before the main news site. My views at least.

Nepal has gained 335 km2 from India but lost a lot more;

By Vikram Hakura.

335 km². That's the extent Nepal has now claimed officially of Indian territory. The total square territory of Nepal now stands at 147,516 km². Historically as well as illegally, Nepal has really no basis. With that being said, it is surprising that Nepal would seek to almost freeze relations with New Delhi considering its social economic state.

Nepal was already struggling even before the lockdown. Post lockdown its citizens have become increasingly desperate paying up to 2 to 3 times for basic necessities as well as logistical taxes from imports across the Indian Border.
In such a stern crisis, KP Oli would seek to diverge attention from his own internal strife and blame it on the only neighbor that he can. India has not only been generous on a yearly basis but we have basically even treated Nepal akin to a northern state. We have, approximately invested more than half $1 billion over the last 18 years.

Unfortunately, Nepal reminds me a lot of Pakistan. More akin to a feudal system with the Kathmandu elite running the show especially over the poor of the plains. This includes various ethnicities including Khas Chhetri and Bahun who compromise over 30% of the population, ruling over the hill tribes of approximately another 25% and the people of the plains being approximately another 30%.

This also means that, this feudal system of the topmost 30% I feel can be bought out by any foreign players. China has no other proxy in Nepal but specifically related to the upper caste Kshetri and Bahun castes.
While they may be Hindus. It is hurtful to see a section of Hindu community turn their backs on the more poverty-stricken Hindus of the Nepali plains.

I have no doubt in my mind, that this whole charade has been orchestrated by China who have deftly allowed the pockets of the upper caste Chhetri and Bahun to get quite fat.

However, what is reassuring is the amount of people to people contacts as the Army chief said between the people of the plains being the Terai and India's border states. India's strategic advantage lies in not only making contacts upon the Madhesi or Terai people, but also to convince the upper class as to the benefits of closely allying with India will offer them.

Let’s also not forget, that a large segment exists within Nepal who are pensioners from the Indian Army. The Indian Army also has several regiments with thousands of Gurkha soldiers from Nepal as well. Nepalis hold them in the highest regard, and they also could be a force that may ally with India as well.

KP Oli, might well remember what happened to the Chogyal of Sikkim. Growing deeply unpopular by vast sections of his own country, it was voted to join the Republic of India. A similar situation may not be completely unrealistic.

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by saurabh » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:23 pm

Muns as we all know how China has destroyed Pakistan and Tibet. unfortunately, Nepalis are also making the same mistake. They know that China will acquire there business and land too. They are firing on the border. India is always there for Nepal. We helped them every time. As we know Nepal does not have any economy. And after lockdown, they are in very big trouble. So they are diverting their citizen towards this issue. They have brainwashed their youth also. People are on roads in Nepal. But this communist guy KP Oli will destroy Nepal. You are right China is using them as Pakistan. I think government should change foreign policy for Nepal.

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by Muns » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:06 am

Nepal has gained 335 km² from India but lost a lot more

https://www.india-aware.com/opinion/nep ... -lot-more/

Nepal’s upper house and elite might have ratified 335 km2 unilaterally. What the Khas/Chhetri and Bahun may have loss is the unconditional support India has given them over decades. Perhaps its time to take a hard look at the inequalities that exist and support the others in their struggle as well.

KP Oli, might well remember what happened to the Chogyal of Sikkim. Growing deeply unpopular by vast sections of his own country, it was voted to join the Republic of India. A similar situation may not be completely unrealistic.
I may be way off base here. But what I feel is that caste politics determines Nepali politics in almost like 16th-century feudal system. While being Hindus, the elite Khas/Chetri and Bahun who are Brahmins, dominate the other hill tribes as well as with madhesi plains people. While the rest of India underwent reformation with regard to multiple archaryas spreading across all over India, I'm not sure the same really existed in Nepal.

In any case, such an elite class including Kp Oli, maybe well bought out for any price. I am sure the Chinese have loaded their pockets quite well into creating this agitation. It may well not be time to support the hill tribes as well as madeshi to increase the benefit in our favor.

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by chetak » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:29 pm

this anti Hindu gang has much to answer for :mrgreen:


This Is How Rajiv Gandhi’s Vaulting Ambitions And Sonia’s Ire Marked The Beginning Of Nepal’s Antipathy Towards India

Jaideep Mazumdar
Jun 17, 2020

This Is How Rajiv Gandhi’s Vaulting Ambitions And Sonia’s Ire Marked The Beginning Of Nepal’s Antipathy Towards India
Former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi.
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The setbacks that India is facing in Nepal today can be attributed directly to former prime minister, late Rajiv Gandhi, and his policies.


That Nepal’s traditional ties with India have been deep need no repetition. Over the centuries, shared religious, cultural, and civilisational tenets have cemented ties between the people of the two countries.

But post-Independence, it was Jawaharlal Nehru’s supercilious attitude towards Nepal’s monarchy that heralded a strain in ties between the two countries.

Nehru’s socialist inclinations, and his proximity to leftists, dictated his coldness towards Nepal’s kings, who Hindus in both the countries considered to be incarnations of Bhagwan Vishnu.

Repeated attempts by Nepal’s kings to reach out to India were rebuffed by Nehru, who viewed the Hindu monarchs with considerable anathema.

Nepal-watchers have chronicled how, after being repeatedly rebuffed by New Delhi, Nepal’s kings slowly turned towards China. Ironically, it was to ward off China’s expansionism that the monarchs in Kathmandu wanted to strengthen ties with India. Nehru viewed the monarchy as anachronous in his world-view, more so since Nepal was a Hindu rashtra.

However, after Nehru’s death, there was a course correction of sorts by Lal Bahadur Shastri and then by Indira Gandhi. But the Nehruvian mindset with its inherent antipathy towards the world’s only Hindu nation still persisted within India’s diplomatic and policy establishments.

Many Indian Foreign Service (IFS ) officers from the early post-Independence era down to the early 1970s were left-inclined, and a sizeable number were camp followers of V K Krishna Menon, a diehard communist who is often blamed for the 1962 debacle.

Those diplomats kept on working against Nepal’s monarchy and supporting anti-monarchy forces in that country.

The ham-handed and overt support to anti-monarchy forces in Nepal by New Delhi at that time sowed the early seeds of distrust among Nepal’s ruling elite as well as the country’s civil society towards India. That also seeded the oft-repeated accusation by Nepalis of Indian interference in Nepal’s internal affairs that is heard very regularly now.

But the real fracture in ties between the two countries was inflicted by Rajiv Gandhi.

He inherited, to a large extent, Nehru’s world view and also fancied himself as a statesman who would usher in democracy in Nepal.

Accounts of those who were part of the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) during and immediately after Rajiv Gandhi’s tenure as prime minister (1984-1989) say he had envisioned himself as a champion of democracy and wanted to leave his imprint on the global stage.

However, his visions of diplomacy, strategy and world affairs, and his complete naivety, led to many disasters.

The biggest was, of course, the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) misadventure in Sri Lanka.

Rajiv Gandhi also pushed Myanmar towards China with his open support to pro-democracy forces led by Aung Sun Suu Kyi.

Under Rajiv Gandhi, India extended support and refuge to pro-democracy activists, angering Myanmar’s military rulers who then embraced China and started providing shelter to militant groups of northeastern India. Rajiv Gandhi’s support to Myanmar’s pro-democracy movement was dictated by his closeness to Suu Kyi, his childhood friend.

Suu Kyi had lived for many years at the 24 Akbar Road bungalow that was to become the Congress party headquarters later. She was a close friend of Rajiv Gandhi and Sanjay Gandhi and the three were often seen together at Rashtrapati Bhawan for riding lessons from the President’s Mounted Bodyguards there.

Rajiv Gandhi’s hostility to Nepal’s monarchy came out in the open after his visit to Kathmandu in December 1988.

That was his second official visit to Nepal, the first being a little over a year earlier to attend the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) summit there.

Rajiv Gandhi was accompanied by his wife and wanted to visit the Pashupatinath Temple in Kathmandu.

The temple management conveyed to the Indian embassy that while Rajiv Gandhi was welcome, Sonia Gandhi would be barred entry since she was not a Hindu.

Rajiv Gandhi took up the matter with King Birendra Bir Bikram Shah and requested the king to ensure that Sonia Gandhi would also be allowed entry into the mandir.

The king declined Rajiv Gandhi’s request and told the Indian prime minister that the temple’s traditions were inviolable.

Rajiv Gandhi was angry and Sonia Gandhi appears to have never forgotten the insult. It is widely believed that she was behind Rajiv Gandhi’s decision to impose a blockade on Nepal (read this).

The ostensible reason for the blockade was the expiry of bilateral trade treaties between the two countries, but analysts say the real reason was two-fold.

One was Nepal’s purchase of anti-aircraft guns and other arms from China.

And the second and more insidious reason was Rajiv Gandhi’s desire to teach Nepal a lesson for the perceived slight to his Catholic wife.

“It is well known that Rajiv Gandhi was ill-disposed towards Nepal’s monarchy and he had met pro-democracy leaders during his visit to Nepal in November 1987 for the SAARC summit. The Pashupatinath incident made him vengeful towards the king. The support that RAW started extending to Nepal’s anti-monarchists, including the Maoists, is very well known,” said a former Indian ambassador to Kathmandu.

Former Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) special director Amar Bhushan in his book Inside Nepal reveals how the agency worked to topple Nepal’s monarchy.

On Rajiv Gandhi’s instructions, RAW got all anti-monarchy forces together and won over Maoist leader Pushpa Kamal Dahal (aka Prachanda).

The whole ‘topple monarchy’ operation that Rajiv Gandhi ordered was a hare-brained one, say South Asia experts. That’s because Nepal’s Maoists who India sheltered and aided were essentially pro-China, and this came out in the open once they assumed power.

Despite the help they got from India, the Maoists and communists of Nepal had no love lost for India.

And on the other hand, the monarchy, sensing a threat from the India-supported pro-democracy movement, also sought help from China.

Beijing was more than willing to provide that help and support. It was a win-win for China, with no gains at all for India. And Rajiv Gandhi is to be blamed singularly for that.

For the people of Nepal, the blockade that created enormous hardships and crippled the country’s economy led to acute anger against India.

This anger intensified due to India’s overt interference in Nepal’s internal affairs: the open support given by New Delhi to the country’s pro-democracy and anti-monarchy movement.

India was seen as a bully and this image perpetuated itself because of a series of blunders that India has been committing in Nepal.

India’s foreign affairs establishment has, irrespective of the party in power, continued with Rajiv Gandhi’s policy of interfering in Nepal’s internal affairs. The 2015 blockade of Nepal and New Delhi’s attempts to force Nepal to amend its draft Constitution that year to accommodate the concerns of the Madhesis was another interference in Nepal's internal affairs.

The same communists that Rajiv Gandhi actively encouraged to overthrow the monarchy are today pitted against India and are taking Nepal into China's orbit. And once they declared Nepal to be a secular country after the fall of the monarchy, Nepal's ties with India have only weakened.

The setbacks that India is facing in Nepal today can be attributed directly to Rajiv Gandhi and his policies. And also to his grandfather Nehru whose Himalayan blunders have been extensively documented and commented on.

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by saurabh » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:45 am

Nepal On sale!

Nepal as I said going to be a new Tibet. Kp Oli destroyed Nepal. He is not able to give work to Nepalese. He is selling Nepal land to Chinese. some Hindu organizations trying to protest but no impact. China is using them against India. People of Nepal under pressure. I tried to talk to some Nepalis in Nepal they don't want to come on camera because the government will punish them. I think India should control Nepal now otherwise one Hindu country will be the Chinese country very soon. China already occupying their places.

https://twitter.com/jiten_malhotra/stat ... 88416?s=20

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Re: Nepal and Himalayan News and Discussion 2019

Post by Muns » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:27 am

KP Oli, seems to be really in the thick of things.Ever since his statement with regard to India coming after him and India trying to destabilize his government has really upset his own party members. It seems that KP Oli is fueling his own personal agendas perhaps with a lot of Chinese packing. In any case, today will be the debate regarding his continued head of the party and to some extent even him leading the prime ministerial position of Nepal. Col Prachanda, while not being completely acquiescent to India’s policies is definitely a better option than KP Oli.

We have produced a video with regard to highlighting some of the concerns over the last few weeks. What is especially striking is that Nepal’s complete silence on China’s salami slicing whole sections of Nepal, including the border village of Riu. Nepal has been completely accepting of China’s position and to some extent may have even been forced into creating the whole Kalipani situation by China.


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