The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

[chetak]

How about MDTV (private) was helped by poordarshan (government) to start its operation by congoons!

in exchange for turdeep desai's and category5moron's employment by MDTV, the father pushed a lot of "business" a lot of business MDTV's way to the tune of tens and tens of crores.

[Kabir]

Bhai Log, In the end it is just a movie and if you keep all the BS by Bhaiwood aside, They are in it to make money and thats pretty much it. Lot of scenes are depicted because of keeping the audience engaged or titillate the feelings.Movies don't create narrative else we all would have been following Gandhi or Gabbar Singh or maybe both
Girls are going gaga over Ranveer Singh and not Khilji. Lets not forget that audience is going to see Dippy, Ranveer and Shahid, who gives a rats a$$ about Khilji or his story anymore. You think if SLB would have casted Amreesh Puri in the role of Khilji, girls still would be going gaga over Khilji ? Ask yourself ?

Not sure how many jewish girls (and their mothers) would go gaga over bradd pitt playing Hitler in a Jewish movie and sympathise with him after coming out from the cinema. Though anything's possible with today's youth mindset, but I doubt if any hollywood star would risk taking on such a role. We bring in examples of hitler and jews into everything because the jews have been strong enough to push this narrative down every one's throats. For us, the rest of the world doesn't even know the difference between a mughal and an indian. A big bollywood star playing Khilji is also part of the problem as he is being one of the USPs of the movie. Even the Rajputs will not be offended if Khilji is shown as true filth and Padmvati's demeanor as royal as possible and not gyrating to songs. Ranveer and Deepika played Bajirao Mastani in the past and there was a similar furore for the same issues. It was a case of once bitten twice shy. We need to send a clear message to the film industry that if you want to make a movie on Indian history make it authentic or face the consequences.

[KL Dubey]

Insanity. for someone with not very robust ties to India, my head is spinning with the ostrich tendencies of Indian kings. even if 2 of the kings had banded together, the ROP kings could have been sent packing far away. Rich kingdoms taken out by just 8000 men. Incredible!!!.

The article evoked pain that I dint know existed.

That is true, but also the invasions of the Arab and Turkic barbarians happened when there was no imperial authority in northern and NW India. Harsha's empire had already disintegrated. Just bad luck to an extent. All these small kings behaved just like small kings everywhere - they tried to weaken each other.

[Indrad]

one key takw away from Islamic conquest on India is that don't be weak militarily.
Babar was able to defeat Lodhi + Rajput kings due to his archery & canons. He encircled army of Lodhi and fired canons killing many and frightening elephants. War was over in less than half a day due to superior war technique of Babar.
Rajput kings posed a formidable fight but one of them (Silhadi) defected to Babar's side with 6000 soldiers at a critical moment.
Mughals maintained dominance using firepower, archery & cavalry. No idea why Rajput kings could not acquire that. Also there wa squabbling among them.
India must make sure it has formidable military.

[Trilobite]

It was a case of once bitten twice shy. We need to send a clear message to the film industry that if you want to make a movie on Indian history make it authentic or face the consequences.

I hope you are not threatening more vigilantism. Vigilantism is turning India into banana republic. If people have problems they should approach the courts. More importantly people need to grow a thicker skin and practice some of the "tolerance" they espouse about Hinduism 24 x 7.

[Chandragupta]

Terror Unlimited: The Staggering Loot and Lust of Alauddin Khilji

Terror Unlimited: The Staggering Loot and Lust of Alauddin Khilji

Unlike Hindu rulers, who would not even gaze in the direction of the enemy’s womenfolk, to the Mohammadens the enemy’s women were war booty. These foreign invaders introduced a highly detestable element of coveting, capturing and raping women.

Rakesh Krishnan Simha @ByRakeshSimha
Indology | 30-01-2018

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Insanity. for someone with not very robust ties to India, my head is spinning with the ostrich tendencies of Indian kings. even if 2 of the kings had banded together, the ROP kings could have been sent packing far away. Rich kingdoms taken out by just 8000 men. Incredible!!!.

The article evoked pain that I dint know existed.

Same reason why 300 million Indians were ruled by less than a million Brits. We were never united, even today, you can't bring 2 Hindus together and get them to agree on something. It has always been our downfall and if not corrected, the same dharma we swear by will get us all killed.

[Vikas]

Every story of Islamic invader is more horrific than the previous one and still going on BD , Af and Shittistan.
and yet some of us threaten to bring back mullah-pasand rule of Congoon system because Modi didn't lower the taxes or didn't ban Padmavati or hasn't thrown PC behind bars. and then we wonder, how come few thousand invaders could defeat Indian armies.

I will go as far to say that DF any day is preferable to Chavan aur Deshmukh and Uma Bharti over Mumtaz begum.

[Vikas]

It was a case of once bitten twice shy. We need to send a clear message to the film industry that if you want to make a movie on Indian history make it authentic or face the consequences.

I hope you are not threatening more vigilantism. Vigilantism is turning India into banana republic. If people have problems they should approach the courts. More importantly people need to grow a thicker skin and practice some of the "tolerance" they espouse about Hinduism 24 x 7.

Agreed that we need to be more thick skinned and pick battles which are worth fighting but courts are joke in India and for ages, Bhaiwood has been taking liberty with Hindus showing them in debauched state.
Sometimes fear of Vigilantism is a great motivating factor.

PS: If there is one lesson to be learnt from the movie Padmavat, that is , never again in Bharat, a girl has to commit suicide because of a lecherous powerful male wishing to rape / molest her.

[Chandragupta]

We also have to understand that most Hindus are not as kattar & aware as BRFites. The average movie goer to the multiplex is most likely a westernized yuppie who will shout back if somebody called Karni Sena a 'Hindu Taliban'/ 'Hindu Terrorism', while we would.

It would have been better if instead of doing this drama, Karni Sena had brought out the genocidal aspects of Khilji's rule. They should have done a campaign, candle light vigils in memory of all Rajput women who died for honor rather than become a sex slave. Brought in stories from ISIS controlled Yazidi territory and drawn equivalence, would have slapped all these fake feminists up. In short - a 'Never again' campaign. Would have gone a long way to educate these yuppies who are lost. But then again, this protest is political in nature backed by Congress.

[Vikas]

We also have to understand that most Hindus are not as kattar & aware as BRFites. The average movie goer to the multiplex is most likely a westernized yuppie who will shout back if somebody called Karni Sena a 'Hindu Taliban'/ 'Hindu Terrorism', while we would.

It would have been better if instead of doing this drama, Karni Sena had brought out the genocidal aspects of Khilji's rule. They should have done a campaign, candle light vigils in memory of all Rajput women who died for honor rather than become a sex slave. Brought in stories from ISIS controlled Yazidi territory and drawn equivalence, would have slapped all these fake feminists up. In short - a 'Never again' campaign. Would have gone a long way to educate these yuppies who are lost. But then again, this protest is political in nature backed by Congress.

All that requires hard work, no instant gratification of slapping SLB or destroying our own property.
One of the things that even I wasn't aware (even after being on BRF/BGR for over a decade now), why Jauhar was performed instead of regular suicide by stabbing or hanging or poison. The debauchery of Islamic invaders to go to the extent of raping even a corpse is never brought out in popular media (maybe they themselves are unaware just like so many of us).

[Chandragupta]

Afaik, several clerics have issued fatwas allowing to Muslims to have sex with a woman's deadbody for upto certain hours after death. There may be even precedence is Islamic history, which we know is a cesspool of epic proportions.

[chetak]

Afaik, several clerics have issued fatwas allowing to Muslims to have sex with a woman's deadbody for upto certain hours after death. There may be even precedence is Islamic history, which we know is a cesspool of epic proportions.

IIRC, it is five hours.

[Vikas]

Actually they allowed to have sex with Donkeys and camels too. Corpse was still a human being just 5 hours ago

How come there is never ever a mention of Fatwa in our Bhaiwood movies in the same manner they show Hindu Priests in bad light.

[chetak]

Afaik, several clerics have issued fatwas allowing to Muslims to have sex with a woman's deadbody for upto certain hours after death. There may be even precedence is Islamic history, which we know is a cesspool of epic proportions.

Now do you understand why these unfortunate ladies were forced to commit jauhar??

[Primus]

certain life processes remain active for a considerable period of time after ‘clinical’ death. which is why one can notice hair/nails continuing to grow even after death. indian death rites were designed based on a solid understanding about the nature of life. ..............

No, that is not true. There are no 'life processes' that go on after the heart stops beating. Yes, while it beats and there is circulation of blood and the body is kept alive with artificial ventilation as in the case of brain death certain systems can keep working, but the definition of brain death is when brain activity is absent and the body cannot breath on its own, one of the tests (apart from EEGs etc) that determines this is the 'apnea test' meaning once the ventilator is disconnected the respirations stop as the body cannot breathe on its own.

Once breathing and circulation stop (i.e. essentially when the heart stops), all life processes come to a halt within minutes. Nails and hair do not grow, that is a myth, what happens is that the skin and tissues contract giving a false appearance of growth.

[Primus]

Afaik, several clerics have issued fatwas allowing to Muslims to have sex with a woman's deadbody for upto certain hours after death. There may be even precedence is Islamic history, which we know is a cesspool of epic proportions.

IIRC, it is five hours.

Any links to this? Cannot find it. Googling reveals a whole lot of apologists from the West lying about how rape is not allowed in Islam. Having read the Koran, I know different.

[chetak]

Afaik, several clerics have issued fatwas allowing to Muslims to have sex with a woman's deadbody for upto certain hours after death. There may be even precedence is Islamic history, which we know is a cesspool of epic proportions.

IIRC, it is five hours.

Any links to this? Cannot find it. Googling reveals a whole lot of apologists from the West lying about how rape is not allowed in Islam. Having read the Koran, I know different.

Saar,

I read it somewhere on my wanderings on the net. If I recollect the source or find it again I will post here.

[chetak]

certain life processes remain active for a considerable period of time after ‘clinical’ death. which is why one can notice hair/nails continuing to grow even after death. indian death rites were designed based on a solid understanding about the nature of life. these were truly rites of ‘passage’ rather than of ‘death’ because death was understood as a change of state. (indeed advanced yogis were said to be able to consciously direct not just their own death but also the next womb they desired to be born in.) the whole society was organized around this single idea of mukti/liberation—birth, identity, marriage, death etc were conducted with that in mind. spouse was supposed to be a fellow traveler—a mangal sutra was a consecrated item that would help bind the couple tighter spiritually as they each worked out their respective karma.

in such a society, invasion by unenlightened and unconscious group of outsiders with superior weapons would lead to measures that would attempt to safeguard spiritual progress of individuals and couples (janm janm ka saath etc). rape would be considered a truly violative process leaving a deep regressive impact. jauhar/sati should probably be viewed from this perspective—a voluntary immolation of the self upon a voluntary acceptance of death in battle by spiritual partner. of course the brits were just as unelightened and unconscious invaders and their chroniclers felt instead that these practices were ‘barbaric’

The central message would have been, even death would not save your women and children.

it is their way uncivilized ways of terrorizing their enemies, like beheading, rape, torture and extreme mutilation used so that their enemies are scared to engage in battle.

unfortunately, jauhar proved them wrong. Though I may not agree in the present day, I have only the utmost respect for these folks who had to fight battles with such horrendous consequences, in case of defeat.

This has been their usual sanctioned and encouraged practice from time immemorial. There is a paki army Gen SK Mallik who has written a book called the "quranic concept of war"

It is quite illuminating apart from being barbaric

Read it here or download it quranic-concept-of-war


unfortunately, jauhar proved them wrong. Though I may not agree in the present day, I have only the utmost respect for these folks who had to fight battles with such horrendous consequences, in case of defeat.

Nothing has changed, even in the present day, note the actions of the PA as well as the ISIS.

I don't think that the "brits" were any different during the crusades, after all it is the very same desert region that gave rise to the whole lot of them, no??.

[shravanp]

We were having this regular discussion in family on Padmavat movie, and then on Jauhar. Ladies were also in part of the discussion. One of them (my sis) asked, why didn't the ladies simply took poison instead of burning. My mom explained the reasons unabashed (necrophilia by Muslim invaders) and it was to their horror that they (sis/shq/cousin) heard about it the first time. We talked about it very openly, however the important point being, this is concept of necrophilia by Muslim invaders is not a common general knowledge. It's important that this should be spoken loudly no matter how disgusting it sounds.

[KL Dubey]

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/main-a ... 722767.cms

UP goremint seems to be taking quick and correct action....

[Indrad]

Afaik, several clerics have issued fatwas allowing to Muslims to have sex with a woman's deadbody for upto certain hours after death. There may be even precedence is Islamic history, which we know is a cesspool of epic proportions.

Now do you understand why these unfortunate ladies were forced to commit jauhar??

kindly read this if you have not: how Jauhar was a military tactics and part of scorched earth policy
every pence of jewellery was worn by women while committing Jauhar denying enemy gold & womanhood.
http://www.abplive.in/blog/padmavati-un ... al-warfare

[Indrad]

from above article:

Chachnama narrates how Muhammad bin Qasim captured 60,000 slaves including women and children from Rawaar in Sindh including women of royal birth and sent one-fifth them over to Caliph who "sold some of these and some he presented to others." Utbi narrates how the Mahmud of Ghazni sold the defeated King of Kabul, Jaipal who was paraded in slave market along with his relatives and sold away in slavery.

Mentally shattered Jaipal committed suicide. While Arabs were pushed back across Indus by a Rajput confedracy led by Chittor's ruler Bappa Rawal in what is known as the battle of Rajasthan, Turks were successful in permanently setting up their feet in India by the close of 12th century. They had committed acts of extreme savagery with Indian women as they swept through Afghanistan, Sindh and Punjab.

Stories of of rape and enslavement perpetrated by them had spread through Northern India and Indian Kings had in anticipation of further depredations by them had levelled a defense cess, known as "Turushka Dand", on their subjects. So savagery of these invaders was already well known in Indian palaces as well as ordinary households. So, when Chittor King Rana Samar Singh's wife heard at Delhi about Rajput defeat at the hands of Mohammad of Ghur in Battlefield of Tarain just few miles away from Delhi and her husband's demise in the battle, she immediately performed jauhar as victorious enemy was fast approaching towards Delhi.

But still many people may ask today was honor more important than human life? To get an answer to this we need to examine what was the social status to which Indian women, particularly the Rajput women were accustomed to before Muslim invasions started and how those who were captured were treated. Colonel Tod tells us that "he (a Rajput) consulted his wife in every transaction; from her ordinary actions he drew the omens of success, and he appended to her name the ephitet Devi or God like.

In spite of her incarceration, the influence of a Rajputni in public as well as domestic affairs was often far more powerful than that of her husband." Tod cites an incident which gives us an idea of how fiercely independent a Rajput women used to be. The King of Jaipur married a princess from a small principality and she used to dress and carry herself in a bit traditional rustic manner while his other wives had espoused dressing styles of aristocratic Mughal court. One day King chided her by taking out a pair of scissors saying he will cut short her clothes to bring those in line with latest fashion. She responded by taking out a sword threatening her husband to not to insult her traditional dresing sense else she will prove that "she can use the sword more effectively than the prince of Amber the scissors".

Now let's contrast this with what fell upon those who found themselves in the captivity of invading armies. A contemporary, Indian treatise Kanhade Prabandh describes the plight of prisoners including 20,000 women and children taken captive by Allauddin Khilji's army from Gujarat: they made people captive – priests and children, and women, in fact, people of all (description) huddled them and tied them by straps of raw hide.

The prisoners suffered greatly and wept aloud. During the day they bore the heat of the scorching sun, without shade or shelter as they were [in the sandy desert region of Rajasthan], and the shivering cold during the night under the open sky. Children, torn away from their mother’s breasts and homes, were crying. Each one of the captives seemed as miserable as the other. Already writhing in agony due to thirst, the pangs of hunger added to their distress. Some of the captives were sick, some unable to sit up.

Some had no shoes to put on and no clothes to wear. Some had iron shackles on their feet. Separated from each other, they were huddled together and tied with straps of hide. Children were separated from their parents, the wives from their husbands, thrown apart by this cruel raid. Young and old were seen writhing in agony, as loud wailings arose from that part of the camp where they were all huddled up. Weeping and wailing, they were hoping that some miracle might save them even now."

Clearly the Jauhar was ultimate expression of hatred by freedom loving Rajput women towards the invaders trying to enslave them and deal with them as chattels.

However, there was also a military viewpoint to Jauhar when viewed in this context. Mery Storm notes in her book "Head and Heart: Valour and Self-Sacrifice in the Art of India" that Jauhar, as opposed to Sattee, "was the ultimate embodiment of the military notion of a scorched earth policy: if the enemy prevailed, he would have no spoils of war; no plunder and no rape." She describes the scene of Jauhar at Jaisalmer in 1295 to show how destruction of property was a "crucial element" of Jauhar and how "every valuable was consumed with them (women), not the worth of a straw was preserved for the foe."

[Shakuni]

We were having this regular discussion in family on Padmavat movie, and then on Jauhar. Ladies were also in part of the discussion. One of them (my sis) asked, why didn't the ladies simply took poison instead of burning. My mom explained the reasons unabashed (necrophilia by Muslim invaders) and it was to their horror that they (sis/shq/cousin) heard about it the first time. We talked about it very openly, however the important point being, this is concept of necrophilia by Muslim invaders is not a common general knowledge. It's important that this should be spoken loudly no matter how disgusting it sounds.

Just in case someone (like Darkha Butt) dismisses that as anti-Mooslim propaganda, here is the modern day version of that phenomenon:
MOROCCAN CLERIC ABD AL-BARI AL-ZAMZAMI: HUSBANDS MAY HAVE SEX WITH DEAD WIFE'S CORPSE

[sanjayC]

While Arabs were pushed back across Indus by a Rajput confedracy led by Chittor's ruler Bappa Rawal in what is known as the battle of Rajasthan,

Rawalpindi is named after Bappa Rawal

[shravanp]

Just in case someone (like Darkha Butt) dismisses that as anti-Mooslim propaganda, here is the modern day version of that phenomenon:

From the same link, the usage of carrots as vibrators

Interviewer : You have ruled it permissible for a woman to use a certain vegetable [a carrot] to fulfill her sexual urges.

Abd Al-Bari Al-Zamzami : Yes.

Interviewer : Where did you get this from?

Abd Al-Bari Al-Zamzami : There is a saying that goes: "The less one knows, the more one criticizes." Someone with little knowledge and narrow cultural horizons finds everything he hears to be strange, and so he criticizes it.

I did not invent anything. I merely quoted the early imams. Their fatwa stated that an unmarried woman or a widow who is battling her sexual urges - as a means to avoid the forbidden and to protect her chastity, she may turn to such things to relieve the pressure.

Interviewer : People find this extremely strange.

Abd Al-Bari Al-Zamzami : That's because they are not well-versed in Islamic religious culture.