The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Primus » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:06 pm

I think the problem I see with the BJP and Modi critics among the Hindutva promoters is that they are unable to see the long history of the nation and there is thus a blindness to the realities of India's demographic make up and its social structure. You can see the trees, but not the forest.

There is at least 25-30% of the population that is either overtly or covertly anti-Hindu and a significant proportion of this is actively engaged in or supports the break up of India. They are not concerned about the growth and prosperity of India as a whole as long as their own narrow agenda is met.

No matter how much the rest want a Hindu Rashtra, a Ram Rajya or 'Hindutva' to prevail, you cannot just wish all these people away. No amount of ghar wapsi is going to make a dent in the numbers we are talking about. You cannot eliminate them through any means, fair or foul. As one muslim gentleman told me years ago in a fit of rage 'You can't kill us all'.

So how exactly do the 'hard core' Hindus who are unhappy with the pace of reforms instituted so far by NaMo or feel that he is completely off track propose to go about dealing with 35-40 crore Indians who don't want to play ball?

NaMo and company cannot undo in 3 or even 10 years what it has taken the world centuries to do to India and Dharma. Yes, they may be able to build the Ram Temple (I have a nagging feeling the SC will not give a favorable decision though), pass the RTE and reclaim the temples for Hindus, but even this is going to take at least another term in power. The kind of wet dream some people are having about Hindu hegemony and rule of saffron over everyone across the length and breadth of India is not going to happen any time soon.

The best we can hope for and the best we can do is to support the present government and NaMo in all their endeavors. If you don't like something write to them instead of venting on social media. It is entirely possible they may listen. We should be thankful for Modi, if it wasn't for his personal charisma, the Congis would still be in power today and the slide would have continued.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Shyamal » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:43 pm

Everytime I come to this thread the situation in Gujarat seems to be worse.
I started getting a bad feeling about gujarat since the Ahmed Patel RS election.
I desperately hope that I am wrong.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by syam » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:02 pm

Let's analyse the situation. .
First we need to switch off tv and media for a second. And looks at Gujarat in real time.
What does congress have in Gujarat?
Cadre? or some secret trump card? Only muslim votes and church votes.
Now patel agitation made big ripple. Did it swing votes to Congress camp?

Thing is, BJP has door to door cadre. The first thing BJP did after the agitation is firing Anandhiben patel. I don't think any party would have done it. Patels are big part of BJP cadre. This agitation issue may not impact that much even in worst case scenario.

Even with all these , Congress still lacks the necessary factor. Cadre. For a politician, cadre is important. Congress ditched grassroot level cadre long time back. Most of the work is done by money bags these days. Their only strength is, corrupt government eco system they cultivated all these years.

My guess is, they pumped so much money and we are seeing the immediate effect. The noise and high quality PR.
Indian voters became smarter. They know whom to vote. They will take money from Congress and vote for BJP.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:14 pm

I said before Goa that the Goa election was going to tell us whether the Indian electorate was willing to change its ways. Here we had a well-performing government in a tiny state and the Church asking its flock to vote them out to "punish" the same party for its "misdeeds" in the center. If the flock had defied the Church, we had some hope in our democracy. If they obeyed, no hope. Well, Goa did end up in a stalemate.

This to me indicates that the divisions in India shall never be fixed... ever.

Gujarat, to me, is another litmus test of our ability to look beyond the divisions. It could be one more so than Goa. After all, it is alleged that even the Peaceful in Gujarat have seen the light and are supportive of Modi. Let us see.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by v_raman » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:21 pm

IMO Goa stalemate shows that the flock is dithering which is a good sign.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:14 pm

v_raman wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:21 pm
IMO Goa stalemate shows that the flock is dithering which is a good sign.
Not necessarily. The flock is 29% of the Goa population. There was a transfer of 8 seats from BJP to INC. This could be largely due to the flock.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by nachiket » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:28 pm

One similarity between Goa and Gujarat is that a highly popular CM left for a national role and then things started going wrong for the BJP. MP had to go back to ensure the BJP government in Goa. That is not an option in Gujarat.

Of course in Gujarat we don't know whether things have actually gone wrong or it is just hot air from usual suspects. Only the results can tell us that as even exit polls are unreliable these days.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by krisna » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:49 pm

For all those hyperventilating on why NaMo did this and not that as demanded by its core voters--

key element is missing in these core voters pet peeves.

people who are in managerial posts or above know that to effectively implement policies one needs managerial vision and supporters at all levels to effect the change. The supporters of the manager will implement the policies with interest to make it happen. They all buy in the manager vision.

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NaMo was asked by Gurcharan Das on economic reforms, quoting Thatcher. NaMo said that Thatcher implemented the reforms after consolidating politically. Das had no answer. IOW political consolidation is the key to implement it effectively.

Considering the MAD plans I believe this is the right track-- consolidate politically and wrest the initiative from congress.
#congressmukthbharat has to be looked into that light. making the political psace shrink for congress is imperative. It has huge windfalls as there is no other political party for foreign and other BIF networks to cash in politically.

The networks will not work without political power.

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Key is political consolidation and shut out BIF supportive party irrespective of networks which will metamorphoses with time. This buys time for PIF to grow in strength.

Many of these grow parallel and not one after another.

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Folks should understand the unique circumstances offered and the problems faced by MAD combo. have patience . this is the best long reaching PIF visionaries we have after several decades. Don't misconstrue the core vison of the MAD combo.


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by nachiket » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:16 am

From that article:
Election forecasting is a hazardous occupation and has felled all “experts” at one time or another. Our political models have worked rather well over the last decade, and we were the only “analyst” to get both the surprise loss of the BJP in Bihar 2015 and the surprise win in UP 2017 right. Which means that the odds are against us getting the Gujarat election right.
The pollsters have no confidence in their own surveys and predictions.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Shandilya » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:21 am

Gujaratis are laughing their arse off seeing all this hand-wringing here and elsewhere in media.

Please understand this is GUJARAT not Delhi.

Couple of videos doing rounds on whatapps on how the Hardick had to tuck tail and run out of Petlad at chants of Modi, Modi.....Modi!

So chill and prepare for another slap on that idiot face gandii

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:29 am

Goa was an aberration in another sense too - for the first time in a long time, desi voters returned a stalemate verdict rather than a decisive one.

In almost all other polls - at various levels - panchayat to parliament - I see decisive verdicts the order of the day. Perhaps the freer, faster info flow via social media, mobile, press, tv etc playing a role. perhaps it is the changing demography with post '91 born voters becoming preponderant.

I recall being dismayed at the lavish press attention in Jan 2017 received by Akhilesh's scripted break with the Shivpal camp and how that masterstroke would wash away all SP sarkar sins into shivpal's lap etc etc, how the jats were unhappy in the west and the EBCs in the east (following BH). Not to mention the shenangans of Rohini Singh in ET. I feared a hung assembely with everyone coming together to keep BJP out. None of that mattered in the end, BTW.

Yes, there is no iota of doubt that GJ has to be won by BJP at all costs. And if the business-minded Gujjus can be fooled by INC BS, what to say of the rest of us only.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:32 am

nachiket wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:16 am
Election forecasting is a hazardous occupation and has felled all “experts” at one time or another. Our political models have worked rather well over the last decade, and we were the only “analyst” to get both the surprise loss of the BJP in Bihar 2015 and the surprise win in UP 2017 right. Which means that the odds are against us getting the Gujarat election right.
The pollsters have no confidence in their own surveys and predictions.
I actually sense sarcasm in that statement.

It is a more hazardous profession than providing stock advice. At least in stock advice, you have ONE company to track and a few variables that impact that ONE company. Here, the entire prediction is based on a large, fickle-minded set of voters who could be lying to you straight-faced.

In this scenario, the only ones who will exude confidence are the ones who are trying to make a certain outcome happen, not the ones who are objectively trying to determine the real outcome.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by nachiket » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:33 am

Hari Seldon wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:29 am
Yes, there is no iota of doubt that GJ has to be won by BJP at all costs. And if the business-minded Gujjus can be fooled by INC BS, what to say of the rest of us only.
Saar, the business minded Gujaratis have voted in INC several times int he past. It is only since 1995 that the BJP has dominated. But the BJP hasn't shown this kind of domination in any other state. That is why Gujarat is important. But I don't think even a BJP loss or reduced margin victory is a bellweather for 2019. There are local issues at play in Assembly elections that may not matter in 2019. For example, between 2007 and 2012 the BJP lost 1 assembly seat to the INC. Between 2009 and 2014 in LS polls, BJP gobbled all 11 congress seats.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:20 am

The UPA government may have gone silent on the controversial Sethusamudram project, but not Union shipping minister T.R. Baalu. He has repeatedly pointed out that the UPA has only approved the alignment for the project cleared by the NDA and that as many as six BJP ministers have been associated with this decision—Arun Jaitley, V.P. Goyal, Shatrughan Sinha, S. Thirunavukkarasu, M.M. Joshi and Uma Bharati. According to Baalu, the contentious alignment No. 6 of the channel which cuts through Ram Setu was cleared by the NDA government.

On May 16, 2007, Baalu gave a detailed response on the Sethusamudram project in the Lok Sabha. He said that as Union surface transport minister, Jaitley had assigned fresh feasibility studies on March 9, 2001, to M/s National Environmental Engineering Research Institute (NEERI) after the environment ministry expressed its reservations about the project.

The NEERI submitted its report in October 2002 to then Union shipping minister Goyal after which a review meeting was convened by then MOS (shipping) Thirunavukkarasu on October 23. The progress report of a rapid environmental impact assessment for the Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project, 'Analysis of Alternatives', recommended: "Thus, from all considerations including environmental and ecological, the alignment farther away from the Dhanushkody Island appears to be the best choice. Hence, it is proposed that the canal should originate from the Tuticorin new harbour in the Gulf of Mannar, extend towards east and further north-east up to south of Pamban Island, then cut through the Adam's Bridge, thereafter proceed parallel to the International Medial Line before finally joining the Bay of Bengal channel."

Thirunavukkarasu's note to Goyal on October 25, 2002, sought his decision on the initial depth of 7 metres and a clear-cut 'in-principle' approval of deepening of this canal to 9 metres/12 metres/14 metres in subsequent stages. On October 29, Goyal responded that a depth of beyond 9-10 metres should not be considered. He constituted a coordination committee to put the project on a fast track.

The next minister of shipping, Shatrughan Sinha, informed the Rajya Sabha on September 29, 2003, that the alignment of the channel was through Adam's Bridge east of Pamban Island.

The broad principles and parameters of the channel alignment thus considered by the NDA government, Baalu concluded, was the present alignment of the channel, that is alignment no. 6. He also stressed that the NDA government had never "declared or initiated any action to declare the project site or parts thereof as a Monument of National Importance."

The BJP's response to this: the NDA never took a formal decision—and the alignment referred to was only one option. However, there is no reference to any other alternative.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:48 am

NGT is an EJ network set up by Sonia Gandhi to harass Hindu temples and spiritual leaders. Modi needs to disband this ASAP. The people staffing it are publicity hounds
Modiji / RSS has 40 lakh activists (and may God give them more). Modiji / RSS got 31% votes in may-2014 (and NDA got 40%). And yet supporters of Modiji / RSS blame some 2 bit NGT for failures of Modiji / RSS.
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Either Modiji / RSS are hand in gloves with NGT or NGT's owners, or Modiji / RSS seem to be exteremely weak - physically and mentally both.
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In any case, I request supporters of Modiji / RSS to stop crying and stop blaming NGT etc. Modiji / RSS have all the man power and legal positions one needs. So act or dont act, but pls no crying.
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And why blame NGT alone? RSS-Minister Harshvardhan himself was demanding ban on diwali firecracker to crush diwali celebrartions. And RSS-leader Harshvardhan was dacning like cheerleader on twitter when Supreme court banned firecrackers in delhi. And rank and file of RSS-workers supporter ban on fire-crackers. So why blame NGT alone?
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And it is true that SoGa was promoting EJs. But what is RSS-leader abd Vice Presidenr Naidu doing? Why is he publicly inaugarating Missioanries' events and praising them,
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Sri Modiji is ordering Naiduji and Fadvavisji to support Missionaries PUBLICLY. This is open order to all PI / Collector / Tahsildaar level officers that they too must support Missionaries. So lets not blame SoGa alone for promoting Missionaries in India. Modiji is also now OPENLY promoting Missionaries via proxies and lackies like Sri Fadnavis and Sri Venkhiah Naiduji.
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In Goa, the Missionaries support RSS. They only offer superficial verbal opposition so that Hindus across India think that Missionaries are against RSS. The reason why Missionaries support RSS in Goa is because RSS has done everything that Missionaries wanted --- strangulated industrial / service growth of Goa except tourism, promote cow slaughter(*) in Goa, promote gambling / liquor / drugs in Goa and what not. RSS-leaders like Parricker and RSS-workers in Goa are doing superlative work in destroying leftover of Indicness in Goa. So why would Missionaries want RSS to go?
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(* - bullock slaughter is 100% legal in goa and cow slaughter is banned. But when bullock slaughter is legal, there is no easy way to stop cow slaughter. And Goa imports tons of cows of MH, KN etc for slughter. And when Mumbai High Court banned bullock sluaghter in Goa, PAriiker gave a loooong speech in assembly that Goa govt supports bullock slaughter and appled in Supreme Court to cancel High Court order and got it cancelled !! )
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NaMo and company cannot undo in 3 or even 10 years what it has taken the world centuries to do to India and Dharma. Yes, they may be able to build the Ram Temple (I have a nagging feeling the SC will not give a favorable decision though), pass the RTE and reclaim the temples for Hindus, ....
Some things may be difficult. But freeing Hindu temples from Govt control can be done in 3 months, if PM alone wants or RSS-workers want. But Sri Modiji too does NOT want Hindu temples to become free from Govt control and Modiji wants Govt control over temple to go. And ditto for RSS-workers. They merely want to milk temple gold, temple land, temple donations etc for themselves. And so they dont want to free temples from govt control
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SoGa / ArKe / Congress / AAP wants fast death to India and Hinduism by helping BIF. And Modiji / RSS want to "do nothing" to stop BIF. Thats the only difference. The reason why sponsors of Modiji dont ask Modiji to help BIF openly is because the sponsors know that if Modji starts openly helping BIF like SoGa / ArKe, then Hinduvaadies will start buidling political / electoral alternatives. And what if that alternative start stopping BIF? So sponsors of Modiji ask Modiji not to help BIF but also dont stop BIF but create a mirage that Modiji is actively working to stop BIF

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:57 am

NGT is an EJ network set up by Sonia Gandhi to harass Hindu temples and spiritual leaders. Modi needs to disband this ASAP. The people staffing it are publicity hounds
Modiji / RSS has 40 lakh activists (and may God give them more). Modiji / RSS got 31% votes in may-2014 (and NDA got 40%). And yet supporters of Modiji / RSS blame some 2 bit NGT for failures of Modiji / RSS.
.
Either Modiji / RSS are hand in gloves with NGT or NGT's owners, or Modiji / RSS seem to be exteremely weak - physically and mentally both.
.
In any case, I request supporters of Modiji / RSS to stop crying and stop blaming NGT etc. Modiji / RSS have all the man power and legal positions one needs. So act or dont act, but pls no crying.
.
And why blame NGT alone? RSS-Minister Harshvardhan himself was demanding ban on diwali firecracker to crush diwali celebrartions. And RSS-leader Harshvardhan was dacning like cheerleader on twitter when Supreme court banned firecrackers in delhi. And rank and file of RSS-workers supporter ban on fire-crackers. So why blame NGT alone?
.
And it is true that SoGa was promoting EJs. But what is RSS-leader abd Vice Presidenr Naidu doing? Why is he publicly inaugarating Missioanries' events and praising them,
.
Sri Modiji is ordering Naiduji and Fadvavisji to support Missionaries PUBLICLY. This is open order to all PI / Collector / Tahsildaar level officers that they too must support Missionaries. So lets not blame SoGa alone for promoting Missionaries in India. Modiji is also now OPENLY promoting Missionaries via proxies and lackies like Sri Fadnavis and Sri Venkhiah Naiduji.
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In Goa, the Missionaries support RSS. They only offer superficial verbal opposition so that Hindus across India think that Missionaries are against RSS. The reason why Missionaries support RSS in Goa is because RSS has done everything that Missionaries wanted --- strangulated industrial / service growth of Goa except tourism, promote cow slaughter(*) in Goa, promote gambling / liquor / drugs in Goa and what not. RSS-leaders like Parricker and RSS-workers in Goa are doing superlative work in destroying leftover of Indicness in Goa. So why would Missionaries want RSS to go?
.
(* - bullock slaughter is 100% legal in goa and cow slaughter is banned. But when bullock slaughter is legal, there is no easy way to stop cow slaughter. And Goa imports tons of cows of MH, KN etc for slughter. And when Mumbai High Court banned bullock sluaghter in Goa, PAriiker gave a loooong speech in assembly that Goa govt supports bullock slaughter and appled in Supreme Court to cancel High Court order and got it cancelled !! )
----
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NaMo and company cannot undo in 3 or even 10 years what it has taken the world centuries to do to India and Dharma. Yes, they may be able to build the Ram Temple (I have a nagging feeling the SC will not give a favorable decision though), pass the RTE and reclaim the temples for Hindus, ....
Some things may be difficult. But freeing Hindu temples from Govt control can be done in 3 months, if PM alone wants or RSS-workers want. But Sri Modiji too does NOT want Hindu temples to become free from Govt control and Modiji wants Govt control over temple to go. And ditto for RSS-workers. They merely want to milk temple gold, temple land, temple donations etc for themselves. And so they dont want to free temples from govt control
.
----
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SoGa / ArKe / Congress / AAP wants fast death to India and Hinduism by helping BIF. And Modiji / RSS want to "do nothing" to stop BIF. Thats the only difference. The reason why sponsors of Modiji dont ask Modiji to help BIF openly is because the sponsors know that if Modji starts openly helping BIF like SoGa / ArKe, then Hinduvaadies will start buidling political / electoral alternatives. And what if that alternative start stopping BIF? So sponsors of Modiji ask Modiji not to help BIF but also dont stop BIF but create a mirage that Modiji is actively working to stop BIF

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:17 am

nachiket wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:33 am
Saar, the business minded Gujaratis have voted in INC several times int he past.
Sure, but only in the absence of any viable alternative. Once the BJP emerged as a viable alternative, it caught on and is yet to let go of GJ.
It is only since 1995 that the BJP has dominated. But the BJP hasn't shown this kind of domination in any other state. That is why Gujarat is important.
+1.
GJ is also important for symbolic and momentum angles.

If NM can't retain GJ, his 'moral' and political capital to keep doing the right thing against tremendous establishment inertia and entrenched vested interests will be weakened to the point of inaction.

We all saw what happened to the PVNR sarkar after the first burst of reforms. A few losses in key states and reform slowed to a stop thereafter from mid '93 onwards. India can't afford the lost time now. the UPA lost decade was more than enough, a lost year between now and 2019 is unaffordable, simply. Only.
But I don't think even a BJP loss or reduced margin victory is a bellweather for 2019. There are local issues at play in Assembly elections that may not matter in 2019. For example, between 2007 and 2012 the BJP lost 1 assembly seat to the INC. Between 2009 and 2014 in LS polls, BJP gobbled all 11 congress seats.
True. But even in LS the odds NM and co must surmount remain humongous only. To retain all 26 of GJ's seats, then to go on to repeat that feat in RJ, HP, MP, UKD, DL, HR, BH and yes, UP..... Whoa!

NM needs all the support he can get from erstwhile fans. And for the sake of India, Indic heritage, PIFs etc, I will do my part, even if without the heady conviction of 2014.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:21 am

Politically unrelated perhaps but still, a boost for Modi sarkar's cred on the Pak front.

BSF's 'Operation Arjun' forced Pakistan Rangers to talk (ET)
After a month of heavy exchange of fire with Pakistan, it was finally the BSF's "Operation Arjun" that brought the Pakistani border guards to commit themselves to a peaceful resolution of issues, say defence officials.

"Operation Arjun", targeting farms and residences of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) officers and retired Pakistani Army officers, was unleashed after heavy Pakistani firing and shelling killed Border Security Force constable K.K. Appa Rao on August 25.

Rao, deployed with BSF's 192 Battalion in Jammu sector's Budhwar border outpost, fell victim to snipers of the Pakistan Rangers.

An official document accessed by IANS revealed that "Operation Arjun" continued till September 24, with the BSF using small and medium arms as well as aerial weapons, causing heavy casualties and damage on the Pakistani side.

This led to more heavy firing and intermittent shelling by the Pakistanis in the Akhnoor, Jammu and Samba sectors, mostly targeting BSF posts and civilian-inhabited areas in Jammu and Kashmir.

In the month-long cross-border firing between August 25 and September 24, seven Pakistan Rangers personnel and militant infiltrators as well as 11 Pakistani civilians were killed. "As many as 35 Pakistan Rangers were also injured in BSF's retaliatory firing."

Firing by Pakistan Rangers also claimed the lives of a BSF trooper and a civilian, the document showed, adding that six BSF personnel and 16 civilians were also injured in the ceasefire violations by the Rangers.
I recall fulminating against Delhi's apparent lack of options (impotence by another name) against Pak's wilful targetting of civilian lives and infra in our border areas. I recall wishing that Doval and party target pakfauj's interests, assets and yes, blood relations if necessary to get the message of back-off across. Seems like it happened then. Just that we didn't know only. And now the news is leaked out, so that we may know, I guess.

Mucho appreciated, knowing the above.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:27 am

OK. seems NGT either backtracked or otherwise "clarified" their previus orders misreported in the media.

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Still, its a slippery slope. Allowing these legal and judassial interlopers to adjudicate on yindoo religious matters, IMVVHO.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:24 am

Dr Manmohan Singh suddenly found his voice when it came to defending his disgraceful record as PM wherein he presided over colonial level of natural resource loot and plunder.

Weren't we asking why NM went soft on cases against MMS, Chidu, Chonia and company? I certainly saw a lot of that sentiment expressed widely on socMedia. Well, silently hi sahi, the wheels are moving. See below.
Krishnadas Rajagopal‏ @kdrajagopal 1h1 hour ago
SC gives green signal to set up 12 exclusive fast track courts to prosecute MPs, MLAs. Courts have to be operstional by March 1, 2018. Will operate for 1 year and dispose 1581 criminal cases pending against politicians.

SC: This is the first step @the_hindu @abaruah64
P.S. I'd imagine Subbu Swamy having a ball of a time at that special tribunal only. Heh.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by abhijit » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:40 am

GJ is to BJP what Lalbaug is to Shiv Sena, Amethi to Cong..what we call 'balekilla' ( fort, that is most difficult to conquer by enemy).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Indrad » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:02 pm

recently my journalist friend has been convulsing ..no idea why...but apparently shock wave is spreading what if Modi returns back in 2019!
He forwarded me two articles asking why Modi should be considered honest, to cut long story short..these are
-involving GSPC drilling where CAG allegedly said Guj govt lost Rs 20000 Cr when Modi was CM https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/from-jaira ... am-1404319
re same case why was contract not given to ONGC?
-Secondly why Rafale local deal for developing jets or parts has been given to Jr Ambani...http://www.livemint.com/Industry/jMKgGe ... actur.html
(Lutyens journos are out of control unable to stop juggernaut of Modi..)

Any takers?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:05 pm

Hari Seldon wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:17 am
We all saw what happened to the PVNR sarkar after the first burst of reforms. A few losses in key states and reform slowed to a stop thereafter from mid '93 onwards. India can't afford the lost time now. the UPA lost decade was more than enough, a lost year between now and 2019 is unaffordable, simply. Only.
Have you seen SSwamy mentioning the same many times? That development is necessary but not sufficient to win elections. Emotions do play a role, atleast in emotional population such as ours. He quoted PVNR, Moraji Desai etc, all lost despite economic policies.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:19 pm

TOI Online-CVoter predicts 108 for BJP and 74 for Congress in Gujarat (Predictions are till 2pm)

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