The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Rudradev » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:42 pm

This is bad. Very damaging optics. (And yes, it is now a lead story on TimesNow... only a matter of time before Doorknob starts braying about it at full volume).

Quite possibly there is more than meets the eye here (to start with, who is this Antton Rouget character, and what are his connections to the Congis?)

The GOI and MOD really need to get ahead of this from a public perception standpoint. The longer they stay quiet without a firm rebuttal solidly backed by evidence, the more credibility Pappu's lies about Rafale Deal Corruption will accumulate.


https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... ale/288279
New Delhi: A senior French journalist who interviewed former President Francois Hollande said that the President had no choice in the selection of Reliance Defence. Talking to Times Now, Antton Rouget said that the Indian government proposed the name of Reliance. “I had asked Hollande whether he named Reliance Defence and Anil Ambani after which he clearly said that Indian government proposed the name of both and that they fixed the interlocutor,” he said.

In an interview to a left-wing French journal, Hollande had said that France was given "no choice" on the Indian partner for manufacturer Dassault. Hollande’s disclosure further paved the way for the Congress party to attack the ruling BJP government for favouring private conglomerate Reliance Group over a public company in the aircraft deal.

Congress has alleged that Modi gave preferential treatment to industrialist Anil Ambani, the billionaire chairman of Reliance Group, to the detriment of state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), AFP reported.

Officials in India and France had earlier said that aircraft manufacturer Dassault had selected Reliance, despite Ambani having no previous experience in the field of aeronautics.

Reacting over this disclosure, Congress chief Rahul Gandhi launched a scathing attack on PM Narendra Modi and accused him of betraying India and dishonouring its soldiers.

Dassault has reportedly invested more than 100 million euros with Reliance for this joint venture (JV). It was earlier in the race for MRCA competition for 126 fighter jets to be manufactured in India with HAL, but talks had stalled.


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Post by hanumadu » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:18 pm

It's kind of old news already. Its being countered with vigor on SM. Dassault released a statement that they chose Reliance or something to that effect. Even the French govt released a statement I think. But the congress will drag it on and on like it has been doing for the last several weeks.

Also, during UPA, Dassault and RIL (of Mukesh Ambani) inked a deal and the congis are being shown the news paper clippings of that time. After that RIL exited defence and Dassault chose Reliance ADAG during NDA. May be the big brother passed on the baton to the kid brother.

Defence MInistry said they are not aware of such pressure on France and saying they are undertaking further inquiry.

Yes, concrete proof of no involvement of NDA in choosing Reliance defence would be best rebuttal but I feel the sting has been taken out of the attack already.

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Post by hanumadu » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:32 pm

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 791781.cms
THE FINAL DEAL
Dassault chose to go with Anil Ambani-led Reliance Defence, which was incorporated on March 28, 2015, days before the new deal was announced in Paris. Sources told ET that the partnership with Reliance Defence was influenced by the original talks held with Mukesh Ambani.

“A lot of the work had already been done prior to 2014, including feasibility studies,” a person close to the negotiations told ET.

The biggest chunk of the new offsets plan – to set up a Falcon executive jet manufacturing plant at Mihan in Maharashtra – had been discussed with RATL.

A person who negotiated the joint venture told ET that the deciding factor was land – over 30 acres at Mihan in Nagpur – because the venture required a factory to be set up next to a runway with direct apron access to roll out executive jets. The French side chose over 72 partners for the offsets given the quantum, including HAL, Larsen & Toubro, Tata, BEL and several smaller companies. This offsets contract has now come under attack by the Congress, which has alleged crony capitalism and discrepancies.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:29 am

RudraJi, the French govt has clarified that they were not involved in selecting Reliance. And Dassault has clarified that its choice of Reliance was based on established procedure. So I think either Hollande was smoking something potent, or worse, Pappu's slaves played on him. But whatever, I don't see much damage beyond what existed prior to this along ideological lines. Pappu will continue to make noises.

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Post by Sachin » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:30 am

Looks like the Rafale deal is the last fig leaf for the "seculars" to cover their desperation. The first report I saw on Deccan Herald this morning was...
India chose Anil Ambani for Rafale deal: Hollande
and now in a matter of 2-3 hours the news is all about
Rafale deal: France says cos free to pick partner firm :).

So looks like the official French government position is that Rafale had every right to choose her partner in India, and that was Reliance. The HAL babu's talk about their technical expertise all seems to be a manufactured one. Looks like IAF has no much hopes on handing over the making of Sukhoi air crafts to HAL.

But all said and done Ambani & Adani, Rafale & Jio etc. would be the stories which the "seculars" would be singing till the voting day of Lok Sabha 2019 elections. Constant hollering may make the minds of few fence sitters change, may be the logic behind it.

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Post by chetak » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:27 am

crams wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:29 am
RudraJi, the French govt has clarified that they were not involved in selecting Reliance. And Dassault has clarified that its choice of Reliance was based on established procedure. So I think either Hollande was smoking something potent, or worse, Pappu's slaves played on him. But whatever, I don't see much damage beyond what existed prior to this along ideological lines. Pappu will continue to make noises.
pappu has jackshit influence in france or anywhere in the EU or the UK. his recent trip was to set up Modi.

There is a more sinister entity, badly affected by FCRA, and one which is capable of procuring agencies like cambridge analytica (or their clones) to get someone like hollande to speak at this time. CA has played such dirty tricks before.


pappu going hammer and tongs at the rafale deal is very strange unless an agenda had already been decided and bit part players were primed to speak their predetermined lines and perform their set roles.

It will get worse before it gets better. Swamy should now progress the NH case quickly.

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Post by JohnTitor » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:49 am

HAL is a joke. After 70 years, all they can do is screwdriver work. Who would want to collaborate with them unless they had no choice.

I remember when we went there a few years ago, all the "scientists" were busy talking all day and gorging themselves on subsidized food.

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Post by chetak » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:45 am

In their "eagerness" to "get" Modi, NDTV resorts to lying openly.

The vultures are gathering in numbers


A group of vultures is called a wake, committee, kettle, venue, or volt. The term kettle refers to vultures in flight, while committee refers to vultures resting in trees. Wake is reserved for a group of vultures that are feeding

Take your pick


Noopur@NoopurTiwari

Covering PM Modi Paris visit in 2015 when the infamous #Rafale deal was announced, as @ndtv reporter, had noted that for some reason GOI kept it hidden from the media that Mr Ambani, Mr Adani were v much there. Accessed list issued the same day by French gov that had them on top!

21:19 - 21 Sep 2018

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Her lack of comprehension skills and zealousness to insinuate wrongdoing on the part of the government was soon called out by vigilant political observers on Social Media.

Deepak Singh @smarket

Are you crazy? The French list is in alphabetical order while that's not the case with Indian list. Either you don't have analytical skills or you are deliberately misleading people....no wonder you are with NDTV https://twitter.com/NoopurTiwari/status ... 2880457728

21:46 - 21 Sep 2018

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If one notices carefully, it is indeed true that the French list was in alphabetical order. This fact was missed, either deliberately or otherwise by the NDTV journalist who proceeded to insinuate wrongdoing on the part of the Indian government.

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and in the very lists posted by the "NDTV reporter", ambani's name is also there.

and so is T Survana Raju's :)

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Post by chetak » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:53 am

Ambani's company, its not a new conpany it's been there since 1997.

Harsh Mehta @_PatientTrader

Replying to @smarket
Ambani has nothing to do with Rafale plane manufacturing / supplies, they are just offset partners for defence purchases by Dassault.

However what surprises me is that Dassault chooses a new company without any experience in defense sector as its offset partner. This is big Q
6:51 AM - 21 Sep 2018
Deepak Singh @smarket

Deepak Singh Retweeted Harsh Mehta
Because Dassault has picked Reliance as the company that knows how to work it's way through the bureaucracy. Dassault does not need Technical knowhow

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Post by chetak » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:22 am

Rafale: Dassault had refused to partner with Bhandari headed OIS because of proximity to Robert Vadra


Rafale: Dassault had refused to partner with Bhandari headed OIS because of proximity to Robert Vadra

ByOpIndia, September 22, 2018

As the debate into the Rafale deal further heats with former French president claiming that Indian government proposed Reliance as offset partner, which both current French government and Dassault Aviation have denied now, there is a need to revisit some details about India’s effort to buy Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) since the beginning.

We have already reported that during the first round of bidding for MMRCA, Dassault had chosen Mukesh Ambani led Reliance Industries are their offset partner and refused to take responsibility for planes made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which ultimately led to the cancellation of the deal.

Although Reliance had signed a MoU with Dassault, reliance lost interest in defence and aviation business after some time, and they allowed the MoU lapse in 2014. At that time there was no clarity about the future of the deal as both Dassault and GOI were adamant on their position about HAL. When the MoU lapsed, company called Offsets India Solutions (OIS) approached Dassault for a possible tie-up. At that time OIS used to be present at all international events in the defence offset sector. An Economic Times report states that “There was considerable pressure to tie up for a partnership. Proposals were made several times and through several people.”

OIS promoter was Sanjay Bhandari, who was allegedly linked with Robert Vadra, Congress president Rahul Gandhi’s brother-in-law. As reported by Economic Times, Few rounds of talks had taken place between the two companies. But when Dassault came to know about Bhandari’s links with Vadra, they decided against partnering with his firm. Reportedly, the Vadra link was one of the main reasons Dassault refused the deal.


Bhandari was under investigation since 2010 in the charges of wrongly influencing defence deals. In May 2016, his offices were raided by Income Tax Department as part of an investigation in a tax evasion case against Bhandari and his company. During the raids, confidential defence ministry documents were found in his possession, which included documents related to India’s proposal to buy mid-air refuellers. The documents were allegedly related to defence purchases and proposals placed before the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC). There were also allegedly copies of minutes of the Contract Negotiation Committee meeting for purchasing refuellers. After this find, he was booked under the Official Secrets Act by Delhi Police. After that Bhandari managed to escape to London before he could be questioned further.

In the documents recovered during these raids, agencies had found some email exchanges between Bhandari and Robert Vadra. According to a report, when ED had confronted Bhandari with the emails, he had acknowledged the email exchanges between him and Vadra. Emails and phone calls scrutinised by investigators also reveal that Bhandari was in regular contact with bureaucrats and politicians apart from private companies in the defence sector. Sources reveal that Bhandari and Vadra were spotted together in social circles and arms expos in various part of the world.

On further investigation by Enforcement Directorate, he was also booked under PMLA and in December last year, ED had seized assets worth ₹26.61 crore belonging to Bhandari. The property was seized in lieu of undisclosed assets held aboard by him.

In January this year, Sanjay Bhandari was declared a ‘proclaimed offender’ by a Delhi court under the Official Secrets Act, due to failure to attend before the court. He is also under CBI investigation for his links with to alleged malpractices in the selection of a Swiss aircraft, Pilatus PC-7. The defence ministry has since suspended all dealings with OIS.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm

Every red rag, every red journalist, every congi-commie is out on SM In full force still tweeting about Hollande inspite of Dassault and French govt issuing clarifications, inspite of RIL signing MOU with Dassault during UPA.

Time for every BJP supporter to be on SM countering them.

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Post by chetak » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:37 pm

Pouring a bucket of ice cold water over the whole ‘Rafale scam exposed’ fiasco



Pouring a bucket of ice cold water over the whole ‘Rafale scam exposed’ fiasco

Byabingdonboy

March 17, 2018

In late 2017 we had penned a rebuttal to the claims regarding the 2016 Rafale deal that had emerged during a particularly heated state election campaign and for a few months, it appeared as though these fictitious claims had evaporated. However, in it is now March 2018 and sadly we are back square one and these accusations are running rampant, again occupying an inordinate amount of attention in political discussions and columns in newspapers. We would thus like to reaffirm the sheer absurdity and fallacies of these claims and hope to have a comprehensive document that can be used to refute any continued efforts to compromise our national security by undermining this deal and any subsequent deals.

Once again, we will begin by assessing the cost breakdown of the Rafale deal signed by the NDA in September 2016 for 36 units (we will use US dollars for ease of comparison but it should be noted that the deal was signed in Euros):

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Notes
* an identical unit price to that paid by the French armed forces
** such costs are one off and will not be incurred for any future batches.

It should also be noted that the 2016 Rafale deal was for highly advanced versions of the Rafale (F3+) highly customised to operate in Indian conditions whereas the version being negotiated under the original MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) was the F2 version minus any Indian specific upgrades.

So we can see from the above that there is no deviation from the stated figures for the deal, every single penny is accounted for.

Let’s debunk some more claims, how about the fact that India paid more than the other export customers for the Rafale.

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(On 10 March 2018 this graphic appeared on the official Twitter account of India’s main opposition party, @INCIndia)

The reality could not be more contrary:

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So even though India signed its deal at a later date than the other export customers, when the INR value was significantly higher, it was able to pay less per unit than either Egypt or Qatar whilst at the same time being able to secure a 50% offsets package that will mean that the French side will invest fifty percent the value of the entire deal back into India. Additionally, the IAF (Indian Air Force) deal includes far superior jets to those of the Egyptian and Qatari air forces that are customized to Indian conditions.

Significantly, points of departure from the original MMRCA deal that the UPA had first proposed in 2008 and the NDA’s Rafale deal includes the addition of the world-class weapons systems such as the feared METEOR beyond visual air to air missile (BVRAAM), perhaps the world’s most deadly BVRAAM with a range in excess of 150km and the SCALP air-launched cruise missile (ALCM). Additionally, the NDA was able to secure 50% offsets as opposed to 30% for the MMRCA, the inclusion of a PBL and perhaps most significantly technical assistance for India’s troubled turbofan project, Kaveri.

Offsets

With a fifty percent offset obligation under the NDA deal the French side will be investing almost €4 billion into India. This vast sum of money that will benefit the nation’s aerospace industry immensely and a portion of offsets will be invested in a new joint venture between DA (Dassault Aviation) and Reliance defence; DRAL (Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited). DRAL will not only create massive job opportunities at its newly constructed greenfield facilities in Mihan but will provide a dedicated localized supply chain for the Rafale on Indian soil. Another exceptionally beneficial point is the news that DA intends to place DRAL inside its global supply chain for their world-renowned business jet, Falcon. Thus, India will be in the possession to be part of yet another globally recognized “Tier 1” supplier in the lucrative aerospace industry.

Based on news reports it is clear that the original mandate of MMRCA wherein a dedicated fighter jet production line would be set up locally is still a possibility– as long as India orders more Rafales. This would involve expanding DRAL’s facilities into a standalone Rafale production line with the capacity to produce 16-18 Rafales per annum. This would see India create its first ever aircraft production line outside of the public sector, and here again, the deal diverges from MMRCA as the original MMRCA plan was for HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) to receive the contract for local assembly. For seventy years India has been without serious capacity in the aerospace industry within the private sector that extends beyond sub-assembly production, this is all set to change within the next few years and the ramifications for this cannot be understated. Creating a competitor to HAL in India assisted by one of the world’s premier OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers) will have lasting effects for generations to come.

Performance Based Logistics (PBL)

The 2016 NDA Rafale deal includes a comprehensive Performance Based Logistics (PBL) agreement wherein Dassault Aviation (DA) is legally obligated to assure that 75% of the IAF’s Rafale fleet is available for operations at any given moment in time. For comparison, in 2015 the IAF’s SU-30MKI fighter fleet had an availability rate of less than 50% (now should be closer to 60% thanks to measures sanctioned by former defence minister Manohar Parrikar) and the Indian Navy’s premier fighter, the Russian-built MiG-29K, had even lower availability rates than this.

Kaveri

The French are already working to assist with the DRDO’s advanced but plagued turbofan engine, Kaveri, with a view of completing the work so as to be able to fit into a number of current and future platforms that will be both manned and unmanned. The French engine manufacturer, Safran, indicated that 25-30% more work would be needed to make the Kaveri flight-worthy. According to the deal being offered, India would not need to spend any more developmental money on the project and Safran would take on the investment around EUR 1 billion to revive India’s Kaveri project committing to make the Kaveri flight-worthy within 18 months. The proposal is to integrate the upgraded Kaveri with the Mk-1A version of the Light Combat Aircraft by 2020.


Furthermore, the NDA Rafale deal was also able to secure an agreement to train the first batches of IAF pilots and ground technicians in France free of cost with an additional guarantee for 60 hours of usage of training aircraft for Indian pilots and six months of free weapons storage without charge.

With the significant investments made by the IAF for their Rafales, it would be truly unthinkable that the number would be capped at 36 or even 72 units. For the enormous customisation and basing costs to be justified significant follow-on orders need to be placed but there is no doubt that such orders would benefit immensely from these new conditions. The Indian Navy, in particular, is now in a strong position to take advantage of the investments made by the IAF as they could pool training costs, spares management and operational procedure. To fail to take advantage of such investments by selecting another foreign fighter for the navy or perhaps an even more unjustifiable purchase such as a foreign single-engine jet fighter would be unpalatable and a true insult to the Indian taxpayer.

So where is the scam?

Every single penny is accounted for, the deal abides by the contours of DPP-2016 and we can categorically state that the deal the present govt signed was superior to that of the one that had been proposed under MMRCA as the technical benefits specifically for the Kaveri and LCA projects are immense. Under the MMRCA deal, there had been no such obligation to support local strategic projects. Furthermore, there are strong rumours that the confidential IGA (Inter-Governmental Agreement) signed by the two governments in January 2016 contained an understanding that France would assist in a number of strategic projects of India that go far beyond aerospace. The biggest drawback of the NDA’s Rafale deal is that such few orders were placed; 36 against a total requirement of 189 units (126+ 63 unit follow-on clause). This can be addressed by additional follow-on batches but this has yet to be solidified and with each passing day the IAF’s existing strength depletes further.

It should be noted here that the French officials as senior as the French President and CEO of Dassault Aviation, Mr Eric Trappier, have as recently as the 10th March 2018 reiterated that India’s Rafale deal is fully compliant with Indian and French laws and procedures. Critically, the most significant difference between the MMRCA deal and NDA’s Rafale deal is that the latter is a pure Government to Government (GTG) deal. The significance of this is that a GTG, as opposed to a commercial deal, involves the governments of India and France and their relevant ministries coordinating with each other to come to an agreement on the sale of military equipment. As such, in a GTG deal, there is no scope for “middlemen” or graft and all agreements have to abide by the most stringent conditions and scrutiny imaginable given the fact that the prestige and credibility of both nations are at stake.



Political mudslinging may have become the norm across the political landscape and thus many may have become desensitized to such nefarious campaigns, however, when it comes to defence procurements, these intellectual arguments can have a very real and very damaging effect. Let us not forget the lessons of the past. The Bofors scandal had a lasting impact far beyond the political cost to a particular political party, from the year the last FH77B gun had been inducted into the army (around the late 1980s) until this very year not a single artillery piece had been ordered, meanwhile, India’s enemies had been able to procure thousands of very sophisticated systems. It should not be forgotten that these controversial weapons were declared “saviours” during the 1999 Kargil war but the availability of such weapons was found insufficient. It would be beyond unfortunate for us to encounter such a situation again, where we all are the baby to be thrown out of the bath water and where we find ourselves in need of vastly more Rafales at the exact moment when we need them most.

The accusations against the 2016 Rafale deal whilst clearly devoid of any merit perhaps mark a low point in the political discourse our country has encountered in recent times as not only does this unfairly penalize our own military’s efforts to modernize but as this deal is GTG it puts relations with one of our most critical strategic partners under undue strain as it is an attack on the character of the French military export procedure mechanism. Thus the fallout could not only be harmful to our own military but to our strategic interests.

sources :

defencenewsindia.com

Times Of India

defensenews.com – Qatar Rafale deal

swarajyamag.com – Everything you want to know about the Rafale Deal

reuters.com

france24.com

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Post by chetak » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:19 pm

Minhaz Merchant Verified account @MinhazMerchant

Minhaz Merchant Retweeted Minhaz Merchant

The fact that Dassault is sub-contracting manufacture of spare parts for Dassault’s business jets (not Rafale fighters) to an estimated 72 Indian companies not just Reliance hasn’t been highlighted enough in govt’s response, allowing @RahulGandhi to mislead. Again poor messaging.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:24 pm

^^Beautiful article. This alone should shut up the congis if they have any shame. Should reply every congi with the two tables one of which is a cost break down and the other price comparison of Egypt, Qatar and India.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:40 pm

chetak wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:19 pm
Minhaz Merchant Verified account @MinhazMerchant

Minhaz Merchant Retweeted Minhaz Merchant

The fact that Dassault is sub-contracting manufacture of spare parts for Dassault’s business jets (not Rafale fighters) to an estimated 72 Indian companies not just Reliance hasn’t been highlighted enough in govt’s response, allowing @RahulGandhi to mislead. Again poor messaging.
Don't know what to make of this. Nirmala Sitharaman was a BJP spokesperson, Jaitley, we all know is a lawyer and articulate. So what gives? They are holding their trump cards for just before the elections?

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:44 pm

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1043485418249838592
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FLASH: From Agency AFP, when asked whether India had put pressure on Reliance and Dassault to work together, Ex France President Hollande said he was unaware and "only Dassault can comment on this".

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Post by Supratik » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:15 pm

Ho ho. The scam that Congress and Left looking so hard for goes up in smoke. Mayawati giving jitters to MGB. Not good for 2019 and time running out.

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Post by crams » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:28 pm

hanumadu wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm
Every red rag, every red journalist, every congi-commie is out on SM In full force still tweeting about Hollande inspite of Dassault and French govt issuing clarifications, inspite of RIL signing MOU with Dassault during UPA.

Time for every BJP supporter to be on SM countering them.

As I told you, its all along ideological lines. Its an interesting political phenomenon. In life there are times when you can't stand an SoB for whatever reason. So natural tendency is to want to downplay his achievements and accentuate his negatives. But at a personal level, you can only go so far in name calling and insults.

Now you take that attitude at the collective level, especially political gimmickry that is protected by 'free speech', and you get the kind of poison Pappu and his supporters ooze out with. So bottom line: as I said yesterday:

1. So called Rafale 'scam' was infused with some life after Hollande's BS. I didn't know what to make of it. But ModiJi haters latched on to it and said, see we told you so. Pappu went berserk calling ModiJi a chor. How low can it get?

2. Then French govt and Dassault themselves issues clarification, and this doused the Holland fire, at least it was not the kind of fatal blow that ModiJi haters were salivating about for a few hours yesterday.

3. But the fire is not put out completely. We are now back to status quo where for the ModiJi haters, this Hallnde gas is yet another confusion catalyst that they can keep drumming home about and keep the so called 'scam' alive. None exemplifies this more than low lives Ajai Shukla types who form the 'intellectual' bedrock of the hate ModiJi brigade. In their world d view, everybody has an interest in lying except Holland who has nothing to lose. That is this puke Ajay Shukla's central argument now.

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Post by RajaRaja » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:46 pm

^ You are right, unless and until Hollande issues another statement completely denying that Indian govt. proposed Anil Ambani's firm, the basis for allegation will remain. Now Hollande has done some backpedaling but has also reiterated his first statement too, so the issue will continue to linger.

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Post by Indrad » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:05 pm

i asked quite a few relatives & friends in India what do they make of rafale and most of them want to give benefit of doubt to Modi. Corruption charges are not sticking to him yet, besides one making allegations that is congress, pappu, media are completely discredited.
Credibility of person making claims matter.
Nidhi, Rajdeep, Saba & congoons were salivating rather orgasmic at smelling blood till yesterday but they again have to start with another bundle of lies
This is an interesting read https://www.mynation.com/news/rafale-de ... bjp-pedqc5

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Post by Supratik » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:15 pm

Hollande has already stated he is not aware of any Indian govt suggestion on Reliance. So he has basically contradicted the earlier report.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:45 pm

My tweet to this Pappu slave M.K.Venu who clings to Holland's word as final and pooh poohs everyone else

For Pappu slaves & ModiJi haters, Dassault, French govt, ModiJi are liars; Holland's word is final. Hammer away till you turn blue. But you twits know getting an honest public servant like ModiJi on corruption is like me who has never bowled a cricket ball trying to get Kohli out

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by RajaRaja » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:58 pm

^^ Must have missed that one, can you post a link?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:40 pm


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:48 pm

Guys, lets interpret Holland's latest from rediff:

Former French president Francois Hollande said that France did not choose to partner with Indian businessman Anil Ambani's company in 'any way' and added that only Dassault can comment on the Rafale fighter jet deal.

Asked whether India had put pressure on Reliance and Dassault to work together, Hollande told French news agency AFP that he was unaware and 'only Dassault can comment on this'.


Hollande was responding to a question by the French news agency on the sidelines of an event in Canada on Friday.

"That is why, moreover, this group (Reliance) did not have to give me any thanks for anything," the former French president added.

In an interview to a media house that appeared on Friday, Hollande had said that Dassault Aviation was given no choice but to partner with Anil Ambani-led Reliance Defence for the offset clause in the Rafale deal.

In an article published by French journal Mediapart, Hollande to a question about who selected Reliance as a partner and why, said it was the Indian government that proposed Reliance's name and Dassault had no choice but to take the company given to it.

"We did not have a say in that. The Indian government proposed this service group, and Dassault negotiated with Ambani. We did not have a choice, we took the interlocutor we were given," said Hollande.

The interview was published in French and excerpts of Hollande's interview were tweeted by French newspaper LeMonde's journalist Julien Boissou.

His reported statement contradicts Indian government's claim that the agreement between Dassault and Reliance was a commercial pact between two private parties and the government had nothing to do with it.
I would day 2 things:

1. The first bolded part knocks the living shit out of Pappu for a massive Chris Gayle sixer out of Chinnaswamy stadium in Bangalore

2. The second bolded part is interesting. More than wanting to implicate ModiJi, Holand wanted to cover his ass from the allegation that he chose Reliance in return for Reliance making the movie about his concubine. That was then seized by Pappu's slaves, translated into sound bytes and programmed into Pappu's little brain.

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