The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by shravanp » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:50 pm

Not only was ABV was betrayed by Ganja Shareef, but he was also betrayed by mainstream media despite giving them bytes, great amount of interaction and favors. Lastly he was betrayed by Indians themselves by not giving him mandate in 2004.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:56 pm

RIP. Stalwart passes away. No matter what mistakes they made Vajpayee and Advani together built the party from scratch and perhaps have prevented the decimation of the Bharatiya civilization under a rabid Congress-Left ecosystem.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:57 pm

KL Dubey wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:13 pm
AB Vajpayee: Truly the End of a Glorious Era including his leadership of the first NDA goremint. Indian nationalism was placed on a firm political footing and nationalist leaders gained governing experience.

Importantly - and very fortunately for the Indians - ABV is not just some "bygone era" confined to nostalgic moments, for his contributions have partly enabled the dawn of an even more glorious era under the leadership of Modi.
what is not purposely being articulated but is being dragged out time and again on the presstitute TV is the message that the opposition as well as blackmailing coalition politicos were forgiven everything under ABV's rajdharma type of governance. Now that many such creepy crawlies are struggling under the sheer weight of legal cases arrayed against them that are calling them to account for their illegal actions, they are all unhappy and pining for the good old days when all were "carried" along in an "inclusive" manner.

One simply needs to note the statements of both the leading ladies of the INC and the TMC. The legal hooks are deeply lodged and their true nature acquisitive is out there for all to see in all its pristine glory.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:33 pm

chetak wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:57 pm
what is not purposely being articulated but is being dragged out time and again on the presstitute TV is the message that the opposition as well as blackmailing coalition politicos were forgiven everything under ABV's rajdharma type of governance.

I checked up English and the vernacular news papers. All of them in unison are trying to show case Vajpayee as a "Nehru-Ghandi certified" politician, leader and Prime Minister. Comparisons are made with his oratory skills and leading style with that of Modi, and many advices on how Modi should "improve" his style of governance. So much so that I started feeling that if Vajpayee was actually a Congress stooge in BJP.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:12 pm

Sachin wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:33 pm
chetak wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:57 pm
what is not purposely being articulated but is being dragged out time and again on the presstitute TV is the message that the opposition as well as blackmailing coalition politicos were forgiven everything under ABV's rajdharma type of governance.

I checked up English and the vernacular news papers. All of them in unison are trying to show case Vajpayee as a "Nehru-Ghandi certified" politician, leader and Prime Minister. Comparisons are made with his oratory skills and leading style with that of Modi, and many advices on how Modi should "improve" his style of governance. So much so that I started feeling that if Vajpayee was actually a Congress stooge in BJP.
Indeed.

Lots of chatter about ABV being a politician in the "nehruvian mold" what ever that means.

If ABV had indeed toured the world preaching and sermonizing to the goras and constantly harped on useless "non alignment" being the one solution to all the world's evils, as nehru did then we would have been up the gum tree by now.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Gus » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:27 pm

everybody trying to use vajpayee to suit their current narrative

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Primus » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:21 pm

shravanp wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:50 pm
Not only was ABV was betrayed by Ganja Shareef, but he was also betrayed by mainstream media despite giving them bytes, great amount of interaction and favors. Lastly he was betrayed by Indians themselves by not giving him mandate in 2004.

All the more reason why we should not betray Modi in 2019.

ABV was, IMHO a dreamer of sorts who believed in the goodness in others. A flaw perhaps, that most seasoned politicians do not have. Especially those who do not have it in themselves.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:55 am

Gus wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:27 pm
everybody trying to use vajpayee to suit their current narrative
Most puke worthy are the comments from the Islamo elite like Irafn Habib, Saba Naqvi on Vajpayee wanting to improve relations with Pakis but Kargil happened, parliament happened. The way they casually make the onus on an Indian PM to make p!ss with TSP and passing off monstrous crimes of Pakis as some insignificant events is breath-taking.

But I notice other Islamo and left fascists are at least honest in their contempt for anything Hindu. Even in death, they are piling it on VajpayeeJi as nothing but a "sanghi" in mufti.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:31 am

In the meanwhile, not only is democracy is alive and well in the independent Republic of India, it's also greatly flourishing and thriving, with our empowered minorities in the forefront of such valiant efforts to keep the flame of democracy protected and burning brightly.


BJP corporators thrash MIM leader in Aurangabad civic body meet for opposing plan to honour Atal Bihari Vajpayee
Aurangabad: BJP corporators allegedly thrashed a Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) member on Friday for opposing a resolution in the municipal corporation to pay tributes to former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

The alleged incident took place during the general body meeting of the civic body, an official said.

After the meeting began, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) corporator Raju Vaidya tabled a proposal to pay tributes to Vajpayee. MIM corporator Sayed Mateen opposed it, which infuriated the saffron party members, who allegedly rushed to him and thrashed him in the House.

A video clip purportedly showing Mateen being kicked, punched and slapped by the BJP corporators has gone viral on the social media and was also aired by some TV channels.

In the clip, the corporation security officials can be seen coming to Mateen's rescue and taking him out of the House through a side exit. The MIM corporator was later taken to a nearby hospital.

A BJP corporator said Mateen had been creating nuisance and had also earlier opposed the singing of the national song in the House.

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Post by chetak » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:36 am

In the meanwhile, not only is democracy is alive and well in the independent Republic of India, it's also greatly flourishing and thriving, with our empowered minorities in the forefront of such valiant efforts to keep the flame of democracy protected and burning brightly.

School principal arrested in Assam's Morigaon for not flying National Flag half-mast after Vajpayee's demise


Aug 17, 2018

Father James, Principal of Saint Eugene English School of Morigaon in Assam, was arrested on Thursday for not hoisting the National Flag on Independence Day and for not flying it half-mast, despite the announcement of State mourning in view of former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's death.

Deputy Superintendent of Police Mrinmoy Goswami confirmed the arrest and said that the principal was taken to Morigaon Police Station.

The arrest was made at 6 pm on Thursday and a case has been registered against James under Section 2 of the Prevention of Insult to National Honour (Amendment) Act 2005. Before taking him into custody, the team which was sent to arrest him reportedly made him sing the National Anthem.

The central government had declared a seven-day state mourning as a mark of respect to Vajpayee, who passed away on Thursday. In a circular, the home ministry had said the National Flag would fly at half-mast from Thursday for seven days across India.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:57 am

Primus wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:21 pm
shravanp wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:50 pm
Not only was ABV was betrayed by Ganja Shareef, but he was also betrayed by mainstream media despite giving them bytes, great amount of interaction and favors. Lastly he was betrayed by Indians themselves by not giving him mandate in 2004.

All the more reason why we should not betray Modi in 2019.

ABV was, IMHO a dreamer of sorts who believed in the goodness in others. A flaw perhaps, that most seasoned politicians do not have. Especially those who do not have it in themselves.
ABV was undercut by the huge FFNGO mafia and many offshore christolamist forces who combined and conspired to pull the rug from under his very feet so that they would have a free and uninterrupted run under the mafia.

Neither he nor the BJP saw it coming but I am sure that some of the lootyens mafia in the BJP did. The names are already too well known for me to mention them again.

Now do you understand why this govt struck so determinedly and struck so early in their tenure while ignoring many other things like RTE etc?? They struck at the root using the very laws passed by the mafia queen and her NAC cohorts using the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act (FCRA) .

The massive reaction on the social media against the presstitutes as well as the UPA partners has further mudied the waters and the once powerful opinion makers have been cast aside after being rendered voiceless and faceless.

This is the very root of their current war cry of "govt" interference in the "freedom of the press" and the "suppression" of "intellectuals" They desperately want the govt to censor social media, pass stringenty laws against "abuse" in the social media, all the while and also very conveniently forgetting that for close to a decade and a half they mercilessly demonised the RSS and Modi, got AS arrested on false charges and forgot that every action of theirs was actionable under defamation laws.

The mainstream media fancied themselves the arbitors of the ABA govt policies and crooked regional satraps blackmailed their way into unimaginable wealth and power by grabbing as well as misusing "central aid" snatched greedily under the guise of "coalition dharma". In some states such "central aid" was openly sold in the open markets by favored party functionaries.

the people who tried to repeat their blackmailing strategies of the ABA era under NM+AS dispensation are presently licking their massive self inflicted wounds after being cast into the political wilderness.

This is also why firms like cambridge analytica and other equally poisonous clone off shoots have surreptiously entered the Indian political scene to muddy the waters for Modi as well as to guide the offshore based christoislamofacists to claw their way back to power and influence and to being able to use the very resources of India to digest India.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:37 am

The recent pondy litt fest...., almost sabotaged by urban naxals.


freedom of speech as practised by the Indian left and the urban naxals.

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Post by chetak » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:44 pm

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A vintage ABA speech in parliament
From now on, we must ask every school-going child and every parliamentarian to view this video (subtitled for non-hindi speakers) so that it is hard-wired into their minds...This is a required course in how Indian Democracy should be practised..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1030328391377940485

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by srikumar » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:11 pm

Heard it. Speech dont have no sub titles.

Sad to say but that era does not exist today. ABV and PVN were both freedom fighters or were of adult age when the Brits ruled India.
Their focus and ideals were forged during those turbulent times and they marched together in their opposition to the Brits and a common
national direction (even if methods and approaches were different after gaining power). Hence one could trust the other leaders, even if in opposition parties. Dat situashun dont exist no more. It would be good if that day were to return at some point in da future.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:00 pm

Guys, its laughable if not tragic and depressing to see this clown Navjoth Singh Sidhu going over to TSP and sucking Taliban Khan's and Bajwa's stinking manhoods. And then the scripted propaganda by UnDy in interviewing was even more puke worthy with Sidhu praising TSP, how much love he was showered with, his so called dreams with TSP yada yada, and worse all this Punjabi bhaihood horse manure.

Note how ISI milked the living crap out of this useful idiot Sidhu. And needless to say, Bajwa played the Sikh angle to the hilt, promising some opening to Sikh shrines in TSP etc, which this gas bag dutifully regurgitated on UndY.

In the end, India has to live with such Jai Chands who think they know everything and want to be the center of attraction. Pakis played their cards brilliantly and makes it very difficult for ModiJi to continue his tough policy on TSP. Also notice how TSP plays to its game-plan. Just the other day, their pigLeTs took out 5 of our guys and that continues unabated, but they turn on this charm offensive to naive useful idiots Sidhu.

I will stop short of calling him a traitor because I don't believe he sold India out like Mani Shankar Aiyar, ADhothi etc. He was plain naive, egotistic, and self centered to get some 15 mins of fame.

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Post by Sunny » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:31 pm

crams wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:00 pm
Guys, its laughable if not tragic and depressing to see this clown Navjoth Singh Sidhu going over to TSP and sucking Taliban Khan's and Bajwa's stinking manhoods. And then the scripted propaganda by UnDy in interviewing was even more puke worthy with Sidhu praising TSP, how much love he was showered with, his so called dreams with TSP yada yada, and worse all this Punjabi bhaihood horse manure.

Note how ISI milked the living crap out of this useful idiot Sidhu. And needless to say, Bajwa played the Sikh angle to the hilt, promising some opening to Sikh shrines in TSP etc, which this gas bag dutifully regurgitated on UndY.

In the end, India has to live with such Jai Chands who think they know everything and want to be the center of attraction. Pakis played their cards brilliantly and makes it very difficult for ModiJi to continue his tough policy on TSP. Also notice how TSP plays to its game-plan. Just the other day, their pigLeTs took out 5 of our guys and that continues unabated, but they turn on this charm offensive to naive useful idiots Sidhu.

I will stop short of calling him a traitor because I don't believe he sold India out like Mani Shankar Aiyar, ADhothi etc. He was plain naive, egotistic, and self centered to get some 15 mins of fame.
And he skipped Vajpayee’s funeral for all of the above. Sidhu used to refer to himself as ‘Vajpayee da sipahi’ and called Vajpayee his Guru.

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Post by chetak » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:39 am

The papers are full of articles by two bit journos who made full personal use of ABA's goodwill and hospitality and who now bitterly decry how 'accessible" the ABA PMO and the ABA cabinet + baboo(n)s was and how Modi has blocked off all access. This was even more true of the congis who bartered privileged access for good publicity and "diplomatic" reportage.

Note especially, the radia gang, her retinue of "retired" baboo(n) "employees" and the string of "journos", prosperously involved as go betweens in the various scams that essentially grew out of such unprincipled "access" to the various "the powers that were" (TPTW) at the time, all the way right up to the top office in the land. Remember how the BEML Tatra scam tainted the most powerful secretaries in dilli and the quid pro quo that was involved.

What they all now carefully forget to mention is how each of them sold/bartered the confidential info garnered by them by misusing such unfettered "access" as to forthcoming policy decisions, access to secret file notings, or conveniently changeable file notings obtainable at a "price" and outright influence peddling to push through cases or stall "inconvenient" cases. This greedy lot was often the go between, mostly bridging the intervening access gap of interested pay per play businessmen and the pliant baboo(n)s with flexible file notings to sell.

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Post by hanumadu » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:14 am

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This is the second article on a separate south India. The other one was in The news minute. Lot of SM folks tweeting the same. It's a coordinated attack. Congress is going all out.

Why is this not seditious and why is GOI not shutting down these rags?

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Post by Sachin » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:55 am

hanumadu wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:14 am
This is the second article on a separate south India. The other one was in The news minute. Lot of SM folks tweeting the same. It's a coordinated attack. Congress is going all out.
That is not required. Some times God gives some signs for the need to remain united. In the south the maximum number of "Separate South India" folks come from Kerala. Check the situation out there.
1. State is now facing a disaster. Indian Armed Forces are very active there. The rescue and relief efforts is done by soldiers who are from many parts of India.
2. Other states are now financially helping Kerala. Nobody is treating the state as a foreign country.
3. This so called "United States of South India" consists of TN, KA, KL. It was just five days back the Supreme Court had to intervene in a case between KL and TN involving a dam. Nobody in KL now wants to raise an Army and pick up a fight with TN. And TN common people are sending truck load of relief items to KL.

Karnataka is having severe flooding & land slides in Coorg/Kodagu district. Again every one is lending a helping hand. It was a Dogra Regiment (no way connected to KA, KL or TN) which went first for the rescue operations. To counter the claims of folks like this Shekhar ****, all we require are some good social media campaign.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Chandragupta » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:11 am

What rich South India? Delhi gives more taxes than 100% Literate Mallu State. Even MP, Rajasthan & UP give more taxes than Kerala, yet so many Islamist/EJ & Commi Mallus abusing 'Naarthies' for leaching off on their taxes & denying them their true rights. Maharashtra gives more taxes than Andhra, TN, KA and Kerala combined, still don't see a Maratha Nation nonsense from Marathis.

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Post by srikumar » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:37 pm

Chandragupta wrote:
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What rich South India? Delhi gives more taxes than 100% Literate Mallu State. ......etc etc.
Chandragupta, bach ke rehnna yaar. Dont fall into the trap someone sets on social media. Someone starts with 'x' state gives more taxes than 'y' state, people will then start about how BiMaRU states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIMARU_states) are this and that. And then the next round of of that debate will be how 'certain' states benefited from govt programs and central govts/leaders that belonged to a certain state favored that state and diverted economic programs for 50 years etc. etc. You see the drift? I guarantee you, 10 pages of economic analysis would fill up this thread in 3 days if such a discussion started and with no real conclusion about what are the causes and whether the 'causes are justifiable' (you've seen language debates on BRF?). And the collateral damage would be high.

My position is that all states in the Indian union are a part of the union not because of taxes paid, or other financial considerations. The union is not a financial union- it never was since the first day of independence. It is based on something else- some would argue it is dharma, or a collective history, or common cultural values. Things like these create the framework for a political union. Assessing economic value is more applicable to a discussions about a large company with different product lines, or a corporation with different product companies and which should be 'spun off' because of low ROI etc. That makes sense for corporations/companies- not for a country. (One can and should discuss how certain states' economies are sub-par, not full potential and 'dragging the country down' etc etc. but that is a different discussion, and IMO, it should be within the context of what can the govt/people/polity do to improve/change it.). I sense mischief when someone brings up the matter of taxes paid as the basis for a political union.
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Post by bharotshontan » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:45 pm

They probably mean it per capita. Either way basic tenet of any type of union is that there is some distribution done between the better off to the worse off (in relative scales). Germany still has disparity from the western side relative to the ex-Soviet side.

There is some wisdom in our leaders in learning from the ~1600 years foreign subjugation that they chose the path of political unity for Bharat instead of the old template of multiple rajas of city states doing their thing. While GDP/cap is still 15x less than what it needs to be, while military expenditure is still hugely on imports, no question of "we have made it, what good is Indian union anymore" should be arising. Myopic affluenza of few of these dumdums must be checked.

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Post by srikumar » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:50 pm

^^^ 'son-of-India', it is not affluenza. I think there is an active effort to promote these types of feelings among certain peoples. It is easy enough to exploit sentiments arising from economic disparity....next, you add language to it, it becomes really potent (in India- state is roughly equivalent to language)- logic goes out of the window in very short order. Seen it on BRF lanaguage debates- they look like mahabharat battles between Arjuns and Bheeshmas. It is spectacular to see... even Gods stop their regular work and come to watch.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:08 pm

Sachin wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:55 am
hanumadu wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:14 am
This is the second article on a separate south India. The other one was in The news minute. Lot of SM folks tweeting the same. It's a coordinated attack. Congress is going all out.
That is not required. Some times God gives some signs for the need to remain united. In the south the maximum number of "Separate South India" folks come from Kerala. Check the situation out there.
1. State is now facing a disaster. Indian Armed Forces are very active there. The rescue and relief efforts is done by soldiers who are from many parts of India.
2. Other states are now financially helping Kerala. Nobody is treating the state as a foreign country.
3. This so called "United States of South India" consists of TN, KA, KL. It was just five days back the Supreme Court had to intervene in a case between KL and TN involving a dam. Nobody in KL now wants to raise an Army and pick up a fight with TN. And TN common people are sending truck load of relief items to KL.

Karnataka is having severe flooding & land slides in Coorg/Kodagu district. Again every one is lending a helping hand. It was a Dogra Regiment (no way connected to KA, KL or TN) which went first for the rescue operations. To counter the claims of folks like this Shekhar ****, all we require are some good social media campaign.
I know its the brainwashed fringe elements, commies, islamists, evanjehadis and congies that prop up these sentiments. But there is no need for news media to publish articles on this and mainstream the discussion.

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Post by bharotshontan » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:41 pm

srikumar wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:50 pm
^^^ 'son-of-India', it is not affluenza. I think there is an active effort to promote these types of feelings among certain peoples. It is easy enough to exploit sentiments arising from economic disparity....next, you add language to it, it becomes really potent (in India- state is roughly equivalent to language)- logic goes out of the window in very short order. Seen it on BRF lanaguage debates- they look like mahabharat battles between Arjuns and Bheeshmas. It is spectacular to see... even Gods stop their regular work and come to watch.
No doubt on the BIF stimulus end of it (Shakuni). My comment was geared to the ones in our Hastinapura side of things, to not become duped into becoming the Kauravas. No southern Indian is doing charity to Bharat via being economically better. No Bengali is doing charity to Bharat via legacy of freedom fighters. No Marathi with Shivaji etc. All ethnic groups of Bharat have it entwined with our self interest to work from a pan-Bharat framework. Even pro-Khalistan fellows like to throw around how much Sikhs have "sacrificed" historically and also for modern India. As a result I feel uncomfortable with the potential of too much breast beating of the so called disproportionate own regional contribution to Bharat, because I know this invariably falls into BIF lap.

Anyway I'm preaching to the choir here I'm sure

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