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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 4

Post by Aditya » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:15 pm

Thanks, Muns last day I was with farmers and covered their opinion. You will surprise to know that they all are happy with this law. They were saying that farmers are not protesting only the middle man is doing it. They are saying before the law they have to sell their crop at a lower price and never get paid on time by AADTI(middle man). Now they are happy that the government is going to buy directly from them. They are saying farmers are not there middle man taking daily wages people for protesting. After BJP came into power they are getting 2k monthly for seeds and other needs. I hope you all should this video of farmers

https://youtu.be/JZIe6RmRkcA
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:12 am
Thanks for the above articles Chetakji, quite detailed but I’m starting to feel like this should really now be dealt with farmer upon farmer. The BJP has adequate reserves with regard to farmers in their ranks. Already we have seen localities within Rajasthan and even Haryana farmers that feel can take this in a great deal in the long run. We really need to bring of their perspectives and voice pro farmer views.

Bringing in the police as well as the Army or any kind of local authority I feel is a losing battle. Ship in busloads of Pro Haryana farmers in response. Create other national leaders who believe in the government strategy and asked them to take on the farmers. I don’t believe that this is going anywhere soon.
They seem to be eating well enough.

Aloo Gobi with Jalebi and Buttermilk Chai, I mean who seriously wants to leave that. It is also something about how good food tastes when especially your making it for tens of thousands of people.
This has to be a farmer versus farmer battle. Any other kind of intervention only gives BreakIndia forces another excuse to cry Modiji is like Hitler onlee….

Saurabh I believe is on his way to interview some Po Haryana Farmers, lets see what he comes out with.

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Post by chetak » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:07 pm

the very same thing happened at the sterlite plant in TN and the hans were funding that. the EJ lot was deeply involved in that anti national mess and as a result, India imports copper today, and that too, from china of all places. An entire well developed local industrial ecosystem that worked with and around the copper produced by sterlite has completely shut down today.

this has all the hall marks of being a repeat of the sterlite factory targeting and by the very same people too.


Bengaluru iPhone factory violence | Wistron assesses damage at ₹437 crore


Bengaluru iPhone factory violence | Wistron assesses damage at ₹437 crore

Special Correspodent BENGALURU,
DECEMBER 13, 2020

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A group of outsiders armed with iron rods and clubs forced its way into the premises: company

The total loss incurred by Wistron Infocomm Manufacturing (India) after thousands of workers ransacked its iPhone manufacturing factory at Narasapura industrial area, near here, on Saturday is estimated at ₹437.70 crore.

In his complaint to the police, Prashanth T.D., administrative officer at the plant, claimed that a group of outsiders armed with iron rods and clubs forced its way into the premises around 6 a.m. and targeted the HR block first.

“They breached the four main entrance gates, ransacked offices, smashed lockers and desks, and destroyed documents containing details of employees,” said a senior police officer. Once inside, they were joined by contract workers who had been demanding their wages -- overdue by three to four months, and overtime pay. “We have intensified our probe to identify the ring leaders of the armed mob, based on the complaint filed by Wistron,” the police officer added.

Security guards tried to stop them, but were allegedly overpowered and beaten. By then a contingent of police arrived on the scene, but were overwhelmed by thousands of other workers. Four cars and two golf carts, valued at around ₹60 lakh, parked on the premises were set on fire before an additional police contingent reached the spot.

According to the police FIR, after ransacking the offices the workers moved to the production unit where phones belonging to the employees and kept in lockers, along with other valuables, were looted. They allegedly smashed the computers, printers and CCTVs as well as thousands of smartphones that were getting ready for production. Equipment, including production machinery, phones, laptops, etc. worth ₹412 crore were lost as the protesters went on a rampage. The damage to factory premises itself, including floors, ceilings, and AC power units, was estimated around ₹10 crore.

128 people arrested
As of Sunday, the police had arrested around 128 people who participated in the violent protest. “We have had information on the people who instigated the attack . They are on the run and efforts are on to track them down,” the senior police officer added. Another 300 people have been detained for questioning.

Wistron Infocomm Manufacturing (India), which is part of the Taipei-based Wistron Corporation, has around 15,000 “employees”, but only around 1,400 are on the rolls. The rest are contract workers, who allegedly joined in the violent protest.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 4

Post by chetak » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:18 pm

What kind of demand is this

Punjab "farmer unions" or in reality they are the "commission agent (arhatiya) unions" demand that govt should not hold parallel talks with unions in other states!

So farmers from all other states must take orders from one state

Doesn't sound very democratic to me. :mrgreen:




Stop holding parallel talks with farmer bodies from other states, Punjab unions tell govt



Stop holding parallel talks with farmer bodies from other states, Punjab unions tell govt

In a letter to the Centre, Sanyukt Kisan Morcha said it should also stop defaming the ongoing protests being held at several Delhi border points against the three farm laws.

16 December, 2020

New Delhi: An umbrella body of 40 farmer unions protesting against the new agri laws wrote to the Centre on Wednesday, asking it to stop holding “parallel talks” with other farmer bodies over the contentious legislations.

The letter by ‘Sanyukt Kisan Morcha’, which represents farmer bodies mostly from Punjab, comes against the backdrop of the government holding talks with several farmers organisations from different states who the Centre claimed have extended their support to the new agriculture laws.

In a letter to Union Agriculture and Farmers’ Welfare Joint Secretary Vivek Aggarwal, the Morcha said the Centre should also stop “defaming” the ongoing protests being held at several Delhi border points against the three farm laws.

“We want the government to stop defaming farmers’ agitation and holding parallel talks with other farmers’ organisations,” said Darshan Pal, a member of the ‘Sankyukt Kisan Morcha’, in his letter written in Hindi.


In his letter, Pal has also recorded in writing the farmer unions’ decision to reject a recent government proposal of amendments in the new laws.

“In reference to the proposal (dated December 9) and your (Agarwal) letter, we want to inform the government that farmer organisations held a joint meeting to discuss the proposal on the same day and rejected it,” he said.

“We had already made our stand clear in previous talks (with the government) that’s why we did not send a written reply earlier,” Pal said.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 4

Post by chetak » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:59 pm

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How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India



How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

by Prof. Vidhu Shekhar
Dec 16, 2020


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Indian labourers go about their business around sacks of onions at the APMC yard in Bangalore.


How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

The most common reasons cited for farmer suicides in India relate to debt burdens of farmers and vagaries of farming.

And it is the middleman, who invests nothing, but profiteers from the farmer’s helplessness and absolutist erstwhile laws, that must be eliminated from the picture.

The corroding nature of Agricultural Produce Market Committee’s (APMC's) monopoly on Indian farming is well known. However, it's more sinister impact on farmers — that they were directly responsible for farmer suicides — is not that well known.

APMC monopoly, and the middlemen — by eating away almost all the farmers' margin — made farming a low-profit business in India, effectively bankrupting the marginal farmers. Illusionary profit margins pushed farmers into a debt trap that they could not get out of, thereby leading to the suicides of marginal farmers.

The evidence of a strong relationship between farmer suicides and APMC monopoly is reflected in data on fruits and vegetable delisting from APMCs, which immediately reduced suicides where, and when, implemented.

State after state, the data presents the same conclusion — that freeing fruits and vegetables from APMC clutches led to improved margin, better higher profitability, and therefore, fewer suicides. Some states like Uttarakhand almost eliminated the curse of farmer suicides post this delisting. As starkly, in Delhi, which in September 2014 ceased APMC regulations outside mandi yard, saw farmer suicides reduced to zero immediately and has maintained the same since then.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's APMC reforms have the potential of wiping out the stigma of farmer suicides in India. It is a blessed and bold reform and must not be repealed.

We discuss in detail these issues in the current article.

The Blind Spot Of Indian Agricultural Economists

That APMC monopoly and farmer suicides are linked closely together should appear as evident — the monopoly is well known to eat a large chunk of margin from the farmer's produce, making farming a low profitability business in India. It is also commonly argued that farmer suicides occur in India because farming is not a profitable business.

Together, both reasonings shape up a strong causal link between two of the largest and most discussed agriculture and farming issues in India.

Given the long history of these two problems, one would expect a fair amount of scrutiny in exploring the relationship between the two. Surprisingly though, this relation remains mostly unexplored — almost as if the connection is a blind spot for India's agricultural economists.

The Immediate vs the Structural Cause of Farmer Suicides

The most common reasons cited for farmer suicides in India relate to debt burdens of farmers and vagaries of farming (i.e., crop failure due to one or the other reason). Financial analysts will argue that debt is not a problem in itself, but the lack of profits to sustain the debt leads to the debt burden. Indeed, low-margin businesses are at constant risk of debt burden.

Further, the inability to absorb any adverse impact on the business in an uncertain world can quickly wipe out the margins and lead the business towards bankruptcy. Good margins also save businesses from 'rainy days' as they provide a buffer to absorb the vagaries of a business. It also leads to the accumulation of savings, which can then be used to sustain the business in difficult times.

Low-margin business does not get any of these benefits. Most of the structurally low-margin businesses rarely can get good debt financing.

So, while the immediate or the material cause of farmer suicides can vary from debt burden to crop failures, the structural or the efficient cause of farmer suicides remains the low margins they get on their produce.

The Death Trap of APMC Monopoly

How much margins do the APMC middlemen eat away? Anecdotally, a recent interview by NDTV of farmers elicited the response that post-2020 reforms, they were getting Rs. 12/kg vs Rs. 3-4 per kg from the same produce in APMCs. The interview implies that APMCs take away 65 per cent of the overall sale value — on profit margins the share would be even higher.

It is here that the sinister nature of the APMC monopoly becomes more apparent.

For more concrete numbers, we refer to Figure 1, which represents the overall margin chain in the Indian farming business based on a 2011 survey.

The lowest tier of small/marginal farmers gets less than 10 per cent of the whole value chain's available margins. Indian farming is possibly one of those very few businesses where the traders/middlemen make more margins than the producers themselves.

Further, the perishable nature of food items gives the middlemen extra leverage to negotiate with the farmers. Just by delaying the purchase, it can push farmers in the corner to take up the produce at almost rock bottom prices.

Not only is the farmer cheated, end users also get worse off quality than they could. Typically, the larger farmer doubles up as the village level trader. They then make margins not only on their produce but on smaller farmers' produce as well.

How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

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But the sinister-ness is not limited to just taking away the margins from small farmers. By accumulating these earnings over time, the middlemen — who don't have any cost attached to them but earn a large profit — thereby build substantial monetary savings for themselves.

Anecdotally, these middlemen also double up as money lenders/working capital providers to the farmers themselves. In effect, they lend the money they have made from farmers back to the farmers, and earn interest on that too.

A very very sinister hold they have on the marginal farmers.

Functioning really on the margins, such small farmers are thus overly exposed to any vagaries that they might encounter in their work. With no savings to fall back upon, and neither a healthy cash flow that can weather the impact of vagaries of doing farming, small farmers function under extreme duress and stress.

And if such vagaries act up, they are often left with no options but to take their lives. Death may sound more attractive than to continually deal with the tensions of working in a business that hardly provides any money, despite all efforts.

And all this is backed by the laws of the land. In the existing APMC laws, the farmers cannot get away from the clutches, even if they want to. Such exploitation of farmers is promoted by law by explicitly making them not do business with anybody else other than the designated set of persons in the designated area. Having such unfettered protection of the law, intermediaries work with high impunity.

More than anything else, it is the monopolistic nature of the APMCs that promote such practices. It is shocking to think that laws of this kind have been sustained in the modern world.

Ineffectiveness of piecemeal reforms in APMC laws and data that strongly points to APMC link to farmer suicides

While not going the whole leg and repealing the APMC monopoly, several governments have done piecemeal reforms of APMC laws over time. Further, none of these reforms solve the crux of the problem — middlemen and their monopoly. They underestimated the cartels' vested interests and power, earning thousands of crores of rupees without undertaking any risk, production, storage, or otherwise.

These cartels were several times able to pressurize states to make the reforms ineffective — either by scuttling the legislation itself or, if legislated, then making sure that it is not notified. And if notified, then making sure it is not implemented one way or the other.

As an example, take the case of the reform of setting up private markets. If we got through the reform history, we find that in several states where it was legislated, it was not notified for a long time. Post notification, some states did not issue new licenses to private players, effectively not implementing the legislation. Of those that did issue the licenses, several were taken up by a member of the existing cartel themselves.

In effect, the story continued unhindered despite reforms.

One reform, though, that was able to circumvent the APMC monopoly completely was the delisting of fruits and vegetables. The delisting did not prevent farmers from selling them in APMCs, but gave them the freedom to sell anywhere they desired. That farmers had a choice immediately led to the market forces working in their favour.

While most fruits and vegetables were still sold by the farmers in APMCs, the threat of losing business due to low realizations to farmers led the middlemen to share better margins with the producers.

The reform — wherever enacted well, at whatever time, immediately led to a drastic fall in farmer suicides — clearly indicating that their margins improved and their destituteness decreased.

Figure 2 shows the graph of farmer suicides for several states, and the fall immediately after the reform is well apparent. The data is evident in showing the impact of ending the monopoly of APMCs in purchasing farmer produce.

There is a fall in suicide numbers across the board. Some states like Uttarakhand, Meghalaya, Odisha, and even Rajasthan were able to almost completely overcome the farmer suicide problem.

Delhi is the starkest example. It enacted a law very similar to the current 2020 reform wherein APMC regulations were only limited to market yards. Thus, the farmers were free to sell outside the yards at whatever margins and terms they could get with buyers.

Post-September 2014, when the law was notified, Delhi has witnessed zero suicides to date. This may well become the future of India as well if the APMC reforms 2020 are well implemented.

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Figure 2: Yearly Farmer Suicides and Impact of Fruits and Vegetable delisting from APMC

How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

Concluding remarks


The current conventional thinking holds inflation cooling as the primary and direct impact of APMC reforms. The inflation cooling will occur if and when the margin benefits are passed by retailers/value chain to the end customer. That is a second-level impact and may happen in due course of time.

The immediate impact, though, occurs via redistribution of margins within the value chain to the benefit of farmers, especially the marginal farmers.

As they start getting a better realisation of their produce, their destitution may vanish. We get farmers who are paid well for their work, rather than a farmer earning meager income and continually dealing with the fear of debt trap leading to suicide.

Does the APMCs serve any purpose at all? If you will notice, the article has continuously talked about APMC monopoly rather than APMCs in themselves. It is the monopolistic character of APMCs that is the problem.

APMCs themselves, working as a large central market and with the infrastructure involved such as wholesale infrastructure, warehousing, crop insurance, cold storage, etc are the strength they have to serve the farmers.

But the monopolistic character takes away all the benefits. The monopolistic nature also prevents the agriculture value chain from modernising beyond what is provided by APMCs, thereby self-limiting agricultural value chain development. This is beyond the impact of the middlemen paraphernalia that comes with APMCs' monopoly.

Destroying this monopoly is the key, rather than disbanding APMCs themselves. The Bihar experience serves as an example. It abolished the APMC Act in 2006. With APMCs gone, most of its infrastructure also became defunct. Owing to Bihar being the single state with such an arrangement, private players may not have had enough incentive to establish their infrastructure.

This broke the agriculture supply chain badly. Moreover, we did not see a reduction in farmer suicides. Rather, a marginal increase is observed after 2006. In 2013, Bihar revived its APMCs, but sans the earlier monopoly of forcing farmers to sell via them only. With infrastructure now available via APMCs bereft of monopoly, farmer suicides in Bihar quickly dived and subsequently reduced to zero and have stayed so for the last few years.

This is also very similar to the fruits and vegetable delisting experience, which removed the monopoly of the APMCs on buying the produce, but APMCs with their infrastructure were still available.

Removing the monopoly ensures that farmers obtain free market access, thereby giving them better leverage in selling their produce and helping them on margins. This impact holds even if most of the trade still happens in APMC mandis. All other effects subsequently follow.

The current APMC reforms by Prime Minister Modi's government has not only met 20+ years of the need for the reform, it has also shown a vision in not disbanding the APMCs but removing their monopoly.

This presents the best solution possible wherein existing infrastructure is maintained, and at the same time, unleashes the good power of the market for the farmers.

The impact of this reform will be long-standing, and might carry India away from the stigma of farmer suicides within a year. It is a much-awaited vision and blessed reform and must not be repealed at any cost.

(The author would like to acknowledge the efforts of Rajat Mital and Rishi Sabarigirisan, second-year MBA students of SPJIMR, for their help in data collection for the article).

Dr. Vidhu Shekhar, an ex-Investment Banker and Hedge Fund analyst, is currently Assistant Professor of Finance and Associate Head of Centre for Financial Studies at SPJIMR, Mumbai. He is Ph.D (Economics) from IIM Calcutta, MBA (2006) also from IIM Calcutta, and B.Tech (2004) from IIT Kharagpur.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 4

Post by Muns » Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:49 am

Sant Baba Ram Singh ji Nanaksar Singhra wale shot himself. Unfortunately this only adds to the ongoing confusion regarding the farm laws. We can clearly see from some of the articles above the advantages to farmers In eliminating the middleman.

Unfortunately this guru has become a martyr for the "cause". What does means is that people Will fight for ideal they have little understanding about. The dangerous idea is this "cause" may become more than a farmer ideal and one of Sikh identity...

It's any wonder than we a starting to see so many of khalistani elements blurring the line between what is actually the farmer agitation and what are separtist elements?

Is it any wonder that we are starting to see shouts and chants of "die Modi" among the crowd? The Tukde gang is having a field day with this...including the Badals....

This has to be fought by Sikhs within the community. Maybe Haryana vs Punjab. BJP needs a Sikh leader, to take the stand and start berating the opposition...

We need another KPS Gill...


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Post by chetak » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:37 pm

this is getting murkier by the minute


‘He was killed’: Why nurse, who served at Sant Baba Ram Singh’s dispensary, is questioning ‘suicide’ angle after he ‘shot himself’ at farmer protest

‘He was killed’: Why nurse, who served at Sant Baba Ram Singh’s dispensary, is questioning ‘suicide’ angle after he ‘shot himself’ at farmer protest


17 December, 2020
OpIndia Staff

On December 16, reports suggested that a Sikh Priest identified as Sant Baba Ram Singh allegedly shot himself at Kundli, near the Sighu border. The 65-years-old priest in a purported suicide note said that he was pained to see the farmers’ plight. Kundli police station SHO Ravi Kumar said that his associates stated he shot himself with his licensed pistol. “He stated in a given statement to the police that he died by suicide. Our probe is on,” he said.

Questions raised by the nurse who treated him
While talking to anchor Aman Mohan Mohyal in his program ‘Hello Punjab’ on Hamdard TV, a caller identified as Amarjit Kaur from Chandigarh raised questions over the circumstances of priests’ death. During the call, Kaur said that she is associated with Sant Ram Singh for a long time. She said that it is impossible that Sant Ram Singh can commit suicide.

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“Handwriting in the suicide note is not his handwriting,” said Kaur
Kaur further said that the handwriting on the suicide note that is being shown in the news reports does not match the handwriting she has seen. Amarjit Kaur said the person who encouraged people to come out of the problems and stay strong in life could not commit suicide. She said that he used to tell people that committing suicide is not an answer to anything, and they should not do it.

Kaur had worked in the Homeopathic dispensary in the Gurudwara at Nanaksar Singhra for four years. During her tenure at the dispensary, Sant Ram Singh used to come and meet the staff. He used to write down a few lines of Gurbani on a notepad every time he visited them. She said that the notepad is in possession of Bhai Praamjeet Singh, who is the head of the dispensary.

Someone has shot him: Kaur
Amarjit Kaur alleged that someone must have shot him. She said she could not say what could be the reason, but she was apparently sure that someone must have shot him. During the conversation, she kept insisting that Sant Ram Singh was strong enough not to kill himself and writing in the suicide note does not match his handwriting. When Mohyal asked Kaur who could be behind the death and if the government could have conspired against him, she said that that she said that government is not behind the death, but one of the members of the Gurudwara could have done it.

He never had a pistol in his possession
Though his followers stated to the police that he had committed suicide, Kaur claimed that Sant Ram Singh did not have a pistol in his possession. She further added that he was never left alone by his followers and guards. She said it is hard to believe that he found time to write down a suicide note but could not sign it. Kaur said those who were accompanying Sant Ram Singh could have stopped him from committing suicide. It is hard to believe that no one stopped him. Kaur also raised the question of why Sant Ram Singh was taken to a hospital in Panipat and not in a hospital nearby.

“He would have shot himself on the stage and martyred himself for the cause,” claimed Kaur
Amarjit said that if he wanted to kill himself for the farmers’ sake, he would have done it on the stage in front of everyone to make a stronger statement. She said,” Even if we believe that he had shot himself, he would have martyred himself and not committed suicide. There is a difference in suicide and become a martyr.” She added that committing suicide is a sign of weakness. Sant Ram Singh was there to encourage the farmers and not to make them weak.

Disfigured Ek Omkar
Suicide note of Sant Ram Singh (Image:Aaj Samaaj)
Another point that was raised during the conversation was the disfigured Ek Omkar on the top of the suicide note. Both anchor and Amarjit said that it looks suspicious and different from the handwriting of the suicide note.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 4

Post by Aditya » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:04 pm

All Bollywood fake stars who were silent on Sushant Singh Rajput's death are arriving in farmers' protest. Today Swara Bhaskar came here and said that she's not a farmer but she wants to learn from farmers Zeeshan Ayub was also there all other fake and anti-national people are gathering they want to make it another Shaheen Bagh. She was trying to create a fake agenda against BJP. They are also getting funding from international sources.

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Post by chetak » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:31 pm

Interesting analysis on the kerala local body polls.

Maybe, next time around, they may be able to block shampoo boy's election to the parliament forcing the congis to consume one more scarce RS seat to accommodate him and his forked tongue.

Kerala Local Body Polls: How Communists Have Bucked The Trend And BJP Has Gained Ground





Kerala Local Body Polls: How Communists Have Bucked The Trend And BJP Has Gained Ground

Venu Gopal Narayanan
Dec 17, 2020

Kerala Local Body Polls: How Communists Have Bucked The Trend And BJP Has Gained Ground


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BJP gains in Kerala local body polls.


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The communists have won big in the local body polls. For its part, the BJP has won wards for the first time across the state, and may use these results as a springboard for their 2021 assembly elections campaign.


The average Swarajya reader is probably no fan of Marxism, communism, socialism or liberalism, and probably lists these, and other ‘ideologies’, as many of those pernicious isms which gravely infected India over the past century.

Such a reader, probably, also views the ongoing, magnificent, socio-political churning in the country as an event which is overdue by a few centuries. Yet, an objective analysis of the recently-concluded local government elections in Kerala shows that Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan, and his Left Democratic Front coalition (LDF), bucked the odds to sweep the board.

The LDF won four of the six corporations in the state, 11 of 14 district councils, 112 of 152 block panchayats, and 514 of 941 village (gram) panchayats. They came second to the Congress-led, Muslim League-supported, United Democratic Front (UDF) coalition, only in the municipality elections, winning 35 out of 87 (the UDF won 45). But even there, they were down only nine from 2015.

The communists went into these polls with two major millstones, and popular wisdom had it that they would succumb to those weights: first, a disastrous handling of the Wuhan virus epidemic, which revealed political ineptitude of staggering proportions; and second, a series of corruption scandals with international and domestic terror angles, which pointed to the very top of the Marxist edifice.

In spite of that, the LDF managed to not just hold its own, but improve its performance in the local polls as well. They did that in two ways: one, by holding on to their core vote base, and two, by breaking the UDF.

Looking at the numbers, it seems that it was the second which had more impact: the communists managed to wean the principal faction of the Christian Kerala Congress away from the UDF. This move had meandered over the monsoon, but it was the only way out for Vijayan — he needed to compensate for the Hindu vote he had been steadily losing since the ‘sacrilege’ at Sabarimala.

True politics means being able to turn things around when the chips are down, and as much as one may hate to admit it, Vijayan has managed to do exactly that. As we see, getting a chunk of the Christian vote has done wonders for the communists. It has cut the margins with the UDF.

These trends may not hold until the assembly elections, but they have the following impacts:

The communists have wrested a vital pause, to temporarily arrest the headlong electoral decline they had pitted themselves unto, through their utter incompetence and multiple, grave allegations of corruption at the highest levels. Now, whether it is the truth or not, they will be able to use the local government election results, to crow twice.

First, that this represents a validation of their ‘Kerala Model’ of epidemic management. And second, that the various central agencies currently investigating communist-related corruption cases, with national security dimensions, in Kerala, are doing so purely out of political bias, at the behest of their political masters in Delhi. Neither is the truth, but that is how this latest mandate will be spun by the Marxists.

Electorally, an influx of Christian votes into the LDF from the UDF is a direct shift which negates the advantage the UDF would otherwise have had, and crazily, even puts the LDF ahead in places, because the UDF, too, is busy losing votes to the BJP.

To put it in perspective, the Congress and the UDF swept Kerala in 2019, and squeezed the LDF badly, because they managed to concentrate the minority vote.

The Kerala Congress’s switch to the communists has eroded that UDF advantage significantly.

Case in point is Christian-dominated Kottayam district, where the LDF swept 10 of 11 blocks, and 39 of 71 panchayats. Another example is Kollam Corporation, where the LDF won 39 of 55 seats, the BJP got a commendable six, and the Congress was left with far less than what they had in 2015 (16 in 2015; nine in 2020; down seven)

The Congress-led UDF had been taught a painful lesson: that the power of the minority vote far outweighs any allegation of malfeasance or incapacity.

To press the point home, the communists swung swathes of wards in the backyards of major Hindu Congress heavyweights like Mullapally Ramachandran and Ramesh Chennithala, and swept the Muslim-dominated Ponnani municipal elections (38/51 seats).

Obviously, the Christian vote, which the turncoat Kerala Congress commands in pockets, is now functioning as a swing factor for the LDF over the UDF, where the BJP is nowhere. And, the Muslims too, are hedging their bets, to accommodate those sections who worry that too much association with the Congress will only heighten community stigmatisation.

Now we know who benefited from pretending that the Tablighi Jamaat members were not vectors of the virus in Kerala. There’s a lot going on in Kerala, and the assembly elections will be tough to predict.

Of course, it may be in the UDF’s overall strategic interest to again retain an element of Hindu tokenism, for show, but the local elections have shown (exactly as the 2019 Lok Sabha elections did) that the forthcoming assembly elections will be won by the coalition that shores up the minority vote more effectively.

The clear implication is that we may expect more kowtowing by the Congress to the Muslim League, and concerted efforts to seize every last Christian vote.

Importantly, this also means that no matter how much the Congress projects Ramesh Chennithala as the party’s face, on TV, it is Oommen Chandy who will be their chief ministerial candidate without question.

The BJP will be hard pressed to secure a material mandate of any sort until it emerges from its Nair echo chamber. This is the harsh truth. They have made a start by appointing K Surendran as the state party president, and the core vote base has rallied valiantly behind the man, but it is simply not enough.

The problem is that they have been unable to capitalise on the relatively-spectacular gains they made in the 2014-2016 period (when they nearly dislodged Shashi Tharoor in Thiruvananthapuram Lok Sabha seat, and opened a solitary assembly account in 2016). Their 2020 tally in Trivandrum Corporation, which they were expected to sweep, is the same as it was in 2015 – 34 seats out of 100.

They will not be able to breach the crucial 25 per cent vote share mark (which is when their votes-to-seats conversion factor will come into play) at the state level, unless they can woo the Ezhava Other Backward Class vote in significant numbers, and tap into a simmering Christian undercurrent, which has repeatedly expressed inclinations to junk identity politics for the mainstream.

Nonetheless, the current efforts have shown fledgling, positive results — the BJP swept Palakkad and Pandalam municipalities, and won wards for the first time in corporations, municipalities and panchayats across the state. It’s a start, and we may expect the BJP to use these results as a springboard for their 2021 assembly elections campaign.

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Post by chetak » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:25 am

“We will first capture Kashmir and then invade India from all sides for Ghazwa e Hind”: Pakistani cricketer Shoaib Akhtar in viral video

“Ghazwa e Hind is mentioned in our sacred books. We will first capture Kashmir and then invade India from all sides for Ghazwa e Hind”

– Shoaib Akhtar (descendant of a Hindu Gujjar)

After all cricket & art have no boundaries. After Ghazwa e Hind, India will have no boundaries! pic.twitter.com/sRlYml6xow


— Pakistan Untold (@pakistan_untold) December 18, 2020

Kitne ghazi aaye..

Kitne ghazi gaye...

Kitne niazi pakde gaye

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Post by chetak » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:24 pm

From denying him travel visa to decorating him with America's highest military decoration 'The Legion of Merit', the US has come a long way in recognizing the leadership & vision of @narendramodi.

A glowing tribute to him & India in the citation!

Congratulations, Prime Minister.

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Post by chetak » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:57 pm

https://kreately.in/halalonomics-islami ... -as-haram/
The oxymoronic left-liberals do not have a problem when the Islamists refuse treatment or immunisation drives because it is “Haram” and in fact try to justify the demand for Halal vaccines and medicines by equating it to fundamental right to practice Islam. But the same ill-liberal liberals have a problem when Sanatanis seek ban on use of beef and beef products in India as it hurts Hindu religious sensibilities, the commies go to the extent of holding Beef-parties to provoke Hindus. By the way, many research studies[1] have stated that, “popular red meat (beef) requires 28 times more land to produce than pork or chicken, 11 times more water and results in five times more climate-warming emissions”. Despite these scientific evidences and religious sentiments, the fibrals would have us believe in India that Beef is very wholesome while pork is Haram. Now the fibrals would also justify the Islamists stand against Covid-19 vaccines at the cost of disrupting global immunization campaigns and holding the whole world to Halal ransom by insisting Muslims should have the right to reject Covid-19 vaccination.


Know why Muslim countries are concerned about Covid-19 vaccines and why is 'Halal certification' important?


Know why Muslim countries are concerned about Covid-19 vaccines and why is 'Halal certification' important?

Maulana Khalid Rashid Firangi Mahali, a Muslim leader in UP, has advised people of his community to receive the vaccine instead of falling to rumours.




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Dec 22, 2020,

With the world fighting the coronavirus pandemic and pharma companies are in the race to develop COVID-19 vaccine, Muslim countries around the world have raised concerns regarding the use of pork-gelatin in these vaccines. These concerns comes in the wake of pork-derived gelatin, being widely used as a stabilizer in vaccines to ensure that they remain safe and effective during storage and transport, Associated Press reported.

How the question arose?
The concerns were first raised by the Muslim clerics of Indonesia when Indonesian diplomats were about to finalise Covid vaccine deals with China, to ensure millions of doses reached Indonesian citizen. The clerics had a concern whether the Covid-19 vaccine was permissible for use under Islamic law.

Pork-derived gelatin has been widely used as a stabilizer to ensure vaccines remain safe and effective during storage and transport. However, some companies have worked for years to develop pork-free vaccines. Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis has produced a pork-free meningitis vaccine, while Saudi and Malaysia-based AJ Pharma is currently working on one of their own.

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Why pork-gelatin is important for vaccines?
Dr Salman Waqar, General Secretary of the British Islamic Medical Association, however believes that demand, existing supply chains, cost and the shorter shelf life of vaccines not containing porcine gelatin means the ingredient is likely to continue to be used in a majority of vaccines for years.

Spokespeople for Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca have said that pork products are not part of their Covid-19 vaccines. But limited supply and preexisting deals worth millions of dollars with other companies means that some countries with large Muslim populations, such as Indonesia will receive vaccines that have not yet been certified to be gelatin-free.


Indian cleric's stand
Meanwhile, Maulana Khalid Rashid Firangi Mahali, a Muslim leader in Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, has advised people of his community to receive the vaccine instead of involving themselves to be a part of any rumour.

This is specially a problem with Orthodox Jews and Muslims who do not consume pork products and hence how this ban applies to medicines.

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Covid-19 vaccine: Timeline on nine countries which started rolling out vaccines; details here

"There’s a difference of opinion amongst Islamic scholars as to whether you take something like pork gelatin and make it undergo a rigorous chemical transformation,"Associated Press quoted Dr Salman Waqar. "Is that still considered to be religiously impure for you to take?"

The majority consensus from past debates over pork gelatin use in vaccines is that it is permissible under Islamic law, as 'greater harm' would occur if the vaccines weren't used, said Dr Harunor Rashid, an associate professor at the University of Sydney, as per AP.

What Orthodox Jewish community has to say?
There’s a similar assessment by a broad consensus of religious leaders in the Orthodox Jewish community as well. "According to the Jewish law, the prohibition on eating pork or using pork is only forbidden when it's a natural way of eating it," said Rabbi David Stav, chairman of Tzohar, a rabbinical organization in Israel.

"If it's injected into the body, not through the mouth, then there is no prohibition and no problem, especially when we are concerned about sicknesses," he said.

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Post by chetak » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:27 am

OfCom: The secretive govt censor that has fined the UK affiliate of Republic Bharat. Why people are rejoicing and what it means


OfCom: The secretive govt censor that has fined the UK affiliate of Republic Bharat. Why people are rejoicing and what it means


When they do it, it’s called regulation. When we do it, it’s called censorship.

24 December, 2020
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Yesterday morning, for scores of Indian liberals, Christmas came early. They woke up to the cheer of the UK affiliate of Republic Bharat being hit with a fine of 20,000 British Pounds for broadcasting “hate speech.” This is the first time I have heard of the OfCom, the UK government body that served the fine.

For scores of India’s elite liberals, this was not the day to talk about free speech. It was a day to celebrate.

There were a couple of things that were noteworthy about the reporting around the incident. First, the OfCom was described to us as a “regulator” for the media. Okay, what does it regulate? Apparently, all the things that you can say on air. You know we have the National Board of Film Certification in India with a similar brief for what you can show in the movies. Our media usually refers to it as the unofficial term Censor Board. So why didn’t the media refer to the UK’s OfCom as a “censor”?

Oh, I get it. When they do it, it’s called regulation. When we do it, it’s called censorship.

Second, the sense of liberal cheer was not dampened when the nature of Republic Bharat’s alleged offense began to emerge. It turns out that in the backdrop of India’s Chandrayaan mission last year, the folks on Republic Bharat had referred to India as a nation that produces scientists, as opposed to Pakistan which produces terrorists. Hate speech for sure. And how untrue! Seventy-three years after partition, it was heartwarming to see the imperial British government, the Pakistanis and the Indian liberals come together to celebrate a common victory.

But I wanted to know more about this OfCom. It’s full name is the Office of Communications. It holds sweeping powers over broadcasting, telecommunications and even postal industries in the UK. That’s reassuring. I do hope that the OfCom is under the Ministry of Truth in the UK. Dear George Orwell, are you hearing this?

So what methodology does the OfCom use to decide whether something is hate speech? I did a simple google search. It led me to this letter, posted on the official website of OfCom in response to a Freedom of Information request (similar to our RTI):

What OfCom considers ‘hate speech’
That’s just awesome. The methodology is secret. And the OfCom’s Secretary has confirmed that it is not in the “public interest” to release it.

Thank you, dear Secretary to Ofcom, for looking out for the public interest. Seems the good people of the United Kingdom had some kind of meeting, where they elected this faceless bureaucrat as God. Or at least the official guardian of public interest.

As a concession to those of us who are not guardians of public interest, the Secretary was kind enough to provide “Annex B” setting out the reasons why this methodology must be kept secret. And it makes for truly amazing reading. They have two columns, one listing factors for disclosure, while the other lists factors for withholding. And below that, the Secretary, who is a “qualified person” as defined by law, has delivered the final verdict.

First, let us read the factors in favor of disclosing the methodology. It’s remarkably short.

OfCom’s methodology
Ah, the “general desirability” that the actions of the regulator should be transparent! The public’s right to know how their government decides what they are allowed to say? That’s just generally desirable, though apparently not important enough. You have to give it to the British. They do condescension well.

Now let us find out the much longer and more important factors for withholding this methodology. First, there is this.

Factors for withholding methodology
Ah, the government needs a safe space where they can decide what should be censored. If the general riff-raff get to know what is being said here, the government might get its feelings hurt. And then the government might feel shy about expressing its views in the future.

Dear President Xi Jinping, do consider giving a bear hug to these sensitive souls in the British government.

And finally, there is this.

OfCom’s methodology
Long sentences. So, we’re going to have to break it down. The monitoring is only effective if the broadcasters don’t know when and who is being monitored. If this information becomes public, the broadcasters might become alert in time and fix their conduct before the sword falls on them. Then, how would the government know who the thought criminals are?

So everyone is suspect, all of the time. At any time, a government bureaucracy, using a secret methodology, might decide that you have broken their secret rules. Nothing to worry here. As long as you only talk about unicorns and rainbows, you will be just fine. Hopefully.

And finally, the Secretary delivers the expected verdict. No disclosures, sorry.

“Public interest favours withholding information”
Observe how long the sentences are in the latter part of Annex B. Unlike the simple, easy to understand sentence that mentioned the general desirability of things being transparent. In case you are wondering, you do have a right to appeal. In that case, the OfCom will do an “internal review.”

This is modern liberalism. A parody of itself and its alleged goals. Honestly, tell me. If I had not told you at the very beginning, would you have known if these were documents from the British government or the Chinese government?

But to scores of Indian liberal elites, all this matters little. They don’t care if the bosses of some TV channel cheat investors using insider trading. They don’t care if notable journalists are on tape fixing portfolios in the Union Cabinet with lobbyists and big business. And they don’t care if media coverage endangers lives of security forces during anti-terror operations. All they care about is making Republic Bharat shut up about Pakistan.

In other words, yes to corruption. Yes to terrorism. No to free speech.

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Post by chetak » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:02 am

Writ Petition seeking deletion of t Secularism and Socialism from the Preamble to the Constitution has been filed in the SC yesterday by Satyapal Sabharwal, a topper who graduated in law last August, and myself. These two words were put in the Preamble during the Emergency.
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Post by chetak » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:27 am

The paki cat is out of the bag and the truth of the balakot strike is confirmed by a malevolent paki and is finally out.

pappu's credibility, as usual, is once again in the crapper :mrgreen:


Pak Commentator and Ex Foreign Office Zafar Halali speaks on record to accept Indian Air Force Surgical Strike and loss of 300 Pakis

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Post by chetak » Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:18 pm

Pak Commentator and Ex Foreign Office Zafar Halali speaks on record to accept Indian Air Force Surgical Strike and loss of 300 Pakis

The hilali statements on TV may have been cleverly edited in the above post to make him say things he may not have actually said.

If it is actually so, my apologies for posting fake news.

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Post by chetak » Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:22 pm

Somewhere, the Hindus have lost the plot.

Today is Gita Jayanti, the biggest day when the Bhagavad Gita, the sacred text of the Hindus was revealed by Bhagawan Sri Krishna to Arjuna & here we have Hindus wishing merry christmas which is a foreign religious cult day appropriated from the pagans by one of the popes & nowhere in the bible does it mention that christ was born on christmas.

Today is also Vaikuntha Ekadashi.
Narendra Modi @narendramodi·1h

Today, on the auspicious day of Geeta Jayanti, millions all over the world would chant verses from Chapters 12 and 15 of the sacred Geeta at 6 PM IST. Sharing a link where you can find the audio of Chapters 12 and 15.

http://mychinmaya.org/bhagavad-gita-all-chapters-audio/
Looks like it took a chorus of tweets on twitter to get this response from Modi, whereas, rolers and ropers are greeted early in the day for all and sundry "festivals" without any reminders.

Also, look at the break-up of 14 compulsory Govt holidays during 2021 for various festivals: 3-Secular, 1-Jain, 1-Sikh, 1-Buddhist, 2-Hindu, 2-Christian & 4-Muslim.

whilst one continues to remain a bhakth, one is sometimes disheartened at the inattention to details important to the Hindus.

By all means, one may wish merry christmas to anyone one pleases, but to forget or to keep mum on Gita Jayanti and Vaikuntha Ekadashi is like taking an axe to one's own ancient cultural and civilizational heritage.

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Post by Muns » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:20 am

Chetakji,

What you posted above is an extremely important point. Unfortunately, even I today missed this event. It has me thinking about what is the best way to tackle the idea of Christmas which has only grown from strength to strength and has become only stronger in an Indian context.
Historically of course we know that celebrations around 25 December were associated with many native traditions around the world. Usually this involves the winter solstice including the end of the month in the Hindu calendar of Makar Sankranti.

Traditionally however the winter solstice is an important date among many native religions. This includes native religions not only in India but in ancient Germanic, Norse and Roman religion as well.
December 21-31 was celebrated by the Norse as the winter solstice and the knowledge that spring would soon be appearing. Evergreen trees were brought into houses to symbolize the coming of the spring. During this time, festivities and prayers to Odin would be commonplace.
Saturnalia, and gift giving was popular among Romans among this time as well.

For more austere Romans, December 25 was the birth date of Mithras, the all unconquering Sun God, and the celebrations therein. Christians could not stop citizens from celebrating these holidays so they decided to accommodate these holidays simply as the birth of Christ. Everybody seems to have really forgotten what these holidays were really about.

What is disturbing, what I see is the overwhelming support among Indian society with regard to Christmas. I myself have taken a different approach. I dont celebrate Christmas but I have tried to point out to those that Christmas or Christ-Mass… Was simply a frustration among the Christians in trying to stamp out native religions and simply decided to accommodate them.
Of course, knowing I feel that Christianity is simply accommodated these traditions, is important. With the rising return of Native religions among Europe, I feel that it is important for us to do the same as well.

Make then Gita Jayanti a standard every year when it comes to December 25 so that we as Indians can remember that this is unchanged and forward to look to. Start to incorporate Christmas from a different angle into the Indian sphere. Let us talk about the pre-Christian native religions of Europe and them being the origin of Christmas identity. Over time, eliminate and purge Christian and biblical ideas regarding the nativity date.
Hopefully what we can aim for is not where everybody is not wearing a red cap, honoring St. Nicholas, but understanding that Christian traditions go back far in times celebrating the old gods of Norse and Roman ancestry.

In time, Gita Jayanti may take on a different light with regard to Odin and Mithras all listening to Shri Krishna’s message… Even more, it will highlight the fact to Indians that Christians over the centuries have only done what they do best, incompletely taking other religions and calling it as their own.
What we have seen over the last few decades is a surge in Native religions in Europe.

Dissatisfied, with centuries of violence and persecution by Christians, Native religion is among the fatest growing religions in the world.

Their history and stories lost, is a void that we may be able to fill....Mithras gone? What if we were to fill the void of Mithras by having others understand to universality of Indian thought. Mithras is Surya and eventually a aspect of Brahman himself?

What does everyone think?

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Post by crams » Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:16 pm

Chetak et. al, following the farmer protests, looks like the farmers have accepted ModiJi's invitation for talks. What gives? As per ModiJi hater and separatist sounding ex amby K.C. Singh's twiiter line, one of the agenda items for talks is modality for repealing the farm laws, the most obnoxious demand of the so called farmers. Any truth to this? If not, I wonder what is the face saver that farmers will accept short of govt not budging on outright repeal of the laws.

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Post by Muns » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:10 am

I made a note to myself not to post too late. It’s hard to catch spelling mistakes especially with do and do not. Had to make a change after I read it in the morning with regard to do not celebrate Christmas.
Completely changes the tone of the post. Hopefully such errors, will be caught out before I post them.
However, do want to highlight the changing dates of Gita Jayanthi, because of the Lunar Calendar.

Gita Jayanti 2024 Wednesday Dec 11th

Gita Jayanti 2023 Friday Dec 22nd

Gita Jayanti 2022 Saturday Dec 3rd

Gita Jayanti 2021 Tuesday Dec 14th

Gita Jayanti 2020 Friday Dec 25th

Gita Jayanti 2019 Sunday Dec 8th

Gita Jayanti 2018 Tuesday Dec 18th

Gita Jayanti 2017 Thursday Nov 30th

Gita Jayanti 2016 Saturday Dec 10th

Gita Jayanti 2015 Monday Dec 21st

Taken from https://www.calendarz.com/when-is/hindu ... yanti/2021

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Post by Muns » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:18 am

CRamS,

what I have been impressed about really is Modi’s outreach program. His ministers and him have really not let up, leading to wearing down of the opposition. He has really gone out of his way I feel with regard to doing this from not only public platforms including multiple speeches but also action such as visiting multiple Gurudwaras. Of course the other thing is really highlighting the PM Kisan programme, distributing up to 6000, directly into their bank accounts.

This is become difficult I feel for farmers to not only take money from the central government but then to keep on needling him with their ongoing protests. On every sphere including government portals and ministers they have really taken this around and hit back hard. With multiple farmers coming out from different states supporting the program the protests stand only gets shakier and shakier.
We have ourselves try to take a few interviews from farmers who are also supportive of Modi. In any case, sometimes I got to admire the man’s energy. Seems like, he can keep going on and on.

Good to have you posting again. It has been a while.

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Post by crams » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:30 pm

MunsJi, thx for the analysis. I think govt made one major concession leading up to the next round of talks.

And that is, by giving open invitation to farmers, they let them set the agenda. And one of the agenda items farmers have is 'modalities for repealing the farm laws'. How the farmers follow through on this during talks will be interesting.

If in fact, they want a compromise and a face saver, this should be it to slowly start winding down the protests. Even if govt does not explicitly roll back the laws, farmers can say we discussed the issues and govt has not said no. Furthermore, farmers can cite all the concessions govt has made such as giving MSP in writing etc as major concessions made by govt and move on.

On other hand, if at the very outset, farmers demand roll back or else talks over, then this stalemate will continue

Finally, news reports indicate that Pappu has gone on vacation to Milan. My blood boils at the free ride this dynastic scum bag gets, and he so many millions of slaves in India. This chutiya ostensibly speaks for farmers, and while they are braving it out in the cold, this f!cker tweets a few inanities like 'no democracy in India' and then flies off to Milan for vacation.

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Post by crams » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:01 pm

Guys, call me a heretic, but I think its a complete waste of time and demeans BJP big wigs like Smriti Irani and others to attack Pappu on his Italy visit. I mean, why give this clown and his slaves relevance? The point being that Pappu ecosystem is so vast and ubiquitous that they will give Pappu slaves a podium to 'debate' this bogus issue, but they will use it to attack ModiJi.

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Post by Muns » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:58 pm

Sanket, our cartoonist did the below...

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Post by Muns » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:54 am

crams wrote:Guys, call me a heretic, but I think its a complete waste of time and demeans BJP big wigs like Smriti Irani and others to attack Pappu on his Italy visit. I mean, why give this clown and his slaves relevance? The point being that Pappu ecosystem is so vast and ubiquitous that they will give Pappu slaves a podium to 'debate' this bogus issue, but they will use it to attack ModiJi.
I say why not. Nothing new with him running off to Italy to revamp on his whine and Bolognese...its in his blood...probably in mild withdrawal without it.
I say milk it for what its worth...fuels his elitist mind only to create more Himanta Biswa Sharmas...
Its more elitist stuff like this that drives a bigger wedge between the aam admi, congress workers, and top bootlickers in the party

One thing I cannot find however is the number of villas and financial holdings...everything seems to be scrubbed online...remember even article on their family Church on one of their villas...none of this information is now available however...




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