The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Post by shravanp » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:12 pm

crams wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:13 pm
Interesting reversal of roles. Taliban Khan aparently puked something about ModiJi being better to cut a deal on Kashmir than Pappu & Co. Which Congoons seized as Pakis endorsing ModiJi. Ideally, I would ignore Talibna Khan with the contempt he deserves. But in this case, maybe ModiJi should just say Kashmir is an integral part of India whether its Congoons or BJP in power.
Thats hilarious actually. So Imran Khan wants Modi to come back to power so that Pak gets another tight jhapad from IAF/IA and then Immu can sing Britney's "Hit me baby one more time!" Congress has lost the plot completely. They are now totally painted as Pak sympathizer and there's absolutely nothing getting rid of that. Nobody's going to believe Congoons twisting of Imran Khan's statement to help Modi.

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Post by tajmahal321 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:30 am

In trivandrum, Shashi Tharoor is trailing in all the opinion polls against BJP candidate. But there is a fear of left doing cross voting to prevent BJP winning. It will be the first time BJP winning LS seat in Kerala.

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Post by SSundar » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:10 am

Would it also be the first time Muslim-majority Wayanad sends a Kaul Gotra Janeudhari Hindu Shiv Bhakt to parliament? India under Modi has become so intolerant that Muslims cannot even have their own MP from a constituency they have a brutal majority in.

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Post by chetak » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:58 am

shravanp wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:12 pm
crams wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:13 pm
Interesting reversal of roles. Taliban Khan aparently puked something about ModiJi being better to cut a deal on Kashmir than Pappu & Co. Which Congoons seized as Pakis endorsing ModiJi. Ideally, I would ignore Talibna Khan with the contempt he deserves. But in this case, maybe ModiJi should just say Kashmir is an integral part of India whether its Congoons or BJP in power.
Thats hilarious actually. So Imran Khan wants Modi to come back to power so that Pak gets another tight jhapad from IAF/IA and then Immu can sing Britney's "Hit me baby one more time!" Congress has lost the plot completely. They are now totally painted as Pak sympathizer and there's absolutely nothing getting rid of that. Nobody's going to believe Congoons twisting of Imran Khan's statement to help Modi.
IK niazi is actually implying that BJP will give cashmere away.

His subtle messaging is vote congi

after all, isn't in the congis/commies who comprise the overwhelming majority of the lootyen's paki pasand goonda gang??

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Post by chetak » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:11 am

SSundar wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:10 am
Would it also be the first time Muslim-majority Wayanad sends a Kaul Gotra Janeudhari Hindu Shiv Bhakt to parliament? India under Modi has become so intolerant that Muslims cannot even have their own MP from a constituency they have a brutal majority in.
saar, what
Kaul Gotra Janeudhari Hindu Shiv Bhakt??


Aren't both his parents non Hindu??.

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Post by JohnTitor » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:58 am

KJo wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:05 am
Pratap Simha won Mysore in 2014, and I think should win again. I don't think Sumalatha will be able to influence Mysore election. It has flipped back and forth between BJP and Congress but the INC candidate is a former BJP guy who contested and lost 10 years ago. It was close last time, 3% margin.

Are you in the area?
Yes. Pratap Sinha won, but his margin was around 30k votes. This time, it should be higher as Sumalatha should help being Gowda votes for him. The Modi rally that happened there a couple days ago in Maharaja's ground was overflowing.

Sumalatha will lose a couple thousand or so votes to the 3 other Sumalatha that have been entered into the election as candidates by the CM. To make it worse, they have candidate numbers just before and after hers.

Mostly old will be vulnerable.
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Post by JohnTitor » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:01 am

crams wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:35 pm
SC verdict rejecting govt's claim that Naxal Ram used stolen docs is a shot in the arm for Pappu. Note this Rafale BS that Pappu has been peddling is to sow seeds of confusion and doubt. So anything that can be perceived as going against ModiJi will be spun as 'see I told you so'. Already Pappu and his his gang have started the 'chowkidar chor hai' chorus citing latest SC decision. Thats all the matters. Fact that it changes nothing in terms of proving any of Pappu's bogus allegations doesn't matter. Its a propaganda 'victory' for Pappu no doubt.

Then we have the EC guys put a hold on release of ModiJi bopic. All in all, enough propaganda material for Pappu to stall ModiJi's momentum a bit.
No Sir. It actually helps Modi as the incident is seen as the judiciary being a Congi stooge. It also is betraying congoons desperation. The only people it'll convince not to vote BJP are those that won't vote for them anyway.

The biopic isn't surprising, expect any pro Modi stuff to be put in hold.

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Post by SSundar » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:17 am

chetak wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:11 am
saar, what
Kaul Gotra Janeudhari Hindu Shiv Bhakt??


Aren't both his parents non Hindu??.
Sarcasm!

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Post by SSundar » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:21 am

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Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:01 am
No Sir. It actually helps Modi as the incident is seen as the judiciary being a Congi stooge. It also is betraying congoons desperation. The only people it'll convince not to vote BJP are those that won't vote for them anyway.
Is Naxal Ram now required to disclose full versions of all documents he has access to?
If Naxal Ram hoards/hides some documents from hizzoners, will he not be guilty of contempt of court or obstruction of justice at a later point if he publishes them?
Will this provide an opportunity to Modi (thru Republic and Times Now, of course) to show the full, un-photoshopped documents and prove once and for all Naxal Ram's Photoshop skills?

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Post by Vikas » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:36 am

Pakistan true to its form, is trying to insert itself into Indian elections. Be it Jehadi Khan or Bumbling Qureshi or even useless ISPR, They just want to show that they are some kind of influencers on Indian elections.

I don't think any of the main players like Rahul or ST or Makhi etc. would lose elections in their turfs. Rahul will win Wayanad and will quickly resign from their and some old congress face will be back in the fray. Smriti may still lose the elections but margin of defeat will be very low this time. In Kashmir, possibility of Abdulla Sr. losing the elections once again is very high as the family is now synonymous for corruption and indifference. Moreover just like rest of the world, New generation of KM's in Kashmir are looking for fresh blood and new leaders and not same old Lootera party.

Congress did a huge roadshow in Amethi for RG and introduced next gen Gandhi-Vadra to the public. So the lineage would be Nehru-
Gandhi-Vadra by the time some of us grow old. Surprisingly Mafia is giving lot of face time to Bob. I always thought he is a liability and will be hidden during election cycles but it looks like ground is being prepared to get him into RS or LS in near future.
Guess he is the moneybags in the family and could turn out to be the future CBN.

PS: Is Meenakshi Lekhi in the fray this time ?

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Post by Vikas » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:39 am

900 to counter 600
After almost 600 artists of the film industry urging people to vote out BJP and its allies, more than 900 people from the film fraternity came up in the support of the ruling party. Pandit Jasraj, Vivek Oberoi, Rita Ganguli, and others on Wednesday issued a statement asking people to vote for the BJP and said the country needs a “Majboot Sarkar” not a “Majboor Sarkar”.
“It is our firm conviction that the continuance of government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi is the need of the hour. Besides, when challenges like terrorism are before all of us, we need a ‘Majboot Sarkar’, not a ‘Majboor Sarkar’ and hence we need the present government to continue,” the notice said.
Shankar Mahadevan, Triloki Nath Mishra, Koena Mitra, Anuradha Paudwal and Hans Raj Hans are the ones who have issued the notice appealing the masses to vote in favor of PM Modi.
The statement said that during the last five years, India has seen a government which delivered “corruption-free good governance and development-oriented administration”.
A similar joint statement came last week from over 600 artists urging people to vote against the current government and vote BJP and its allies out.

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Post by BhairavP » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:58 am

Large scale booth capturing and intimidation by TMC goons in the 2 seats in West Bengal that went to the polls today.
Despite knowing what happened in the Panchayat elections, the EC has STILL only deployed Central Forces to 40% of the booths.
They're too busy banning TV channels and movies till after the elections to respond.

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Post by chetak » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:51 am

chetak wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:58 am
shravanp wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:12 pm
crams wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:13 pm
Interesting reversal of roles. Taliban Khan aparently puked something about ModiJi being better to cut a deal on Kashmir than Pappu & Co. Which Congoons seized as Pakis endorsing ModiJi. Ideally, I would ignore Talibna Khan with the contempt he deserves. But in this case, maybe ModiJi should just say Kashmir is an integral part of India whether its Congoons or BJP in power.
Thats hilarious actually. So Imran Khan wants Modi to come back to power so that Pak gets another tight jhapad from IAF/IA and then Immu can sing Britney's "Hit me baby one more time!" Congress has lost the plot completely. They are now totally painted as Pak sympathizer and there's absolutely nothing getting rid of that. Nobody's going to believe Congoons twisting of Imran Khan's statement to help Modi.
IK niazi is actually implying that BJP will give cashmere away.

His subtle messaging is vote congi

after all, isn't in the congis/commies who comprise the overwhelming majority of the lootyen's paki pasand goonda gang??

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Imran Khan's 'endorsement' of Narendra Modi nothing but a gambit to gain ground in Jammu and Kashmir

Mehbooba Mufti is already crowing about the fact that Imran’s statement has BJP supporters scratching their heads. More such comments are likely as the Opposition uses this to the maximum. So is this statement a crafty way of pulling the rug out from under the BJP which has used the Pakistan card to the full ? Certainly, Modi’s speech writers will have to do some quick deletions and fine-tuning. Yet, the motive doesn’t seem quite right for several reasons.

First, in making this statement on the BJP, Imran was merely making public what had been privately said for years. It is entirely true that if anyone can deliver a peace package, it is the Modi government. Why? Because no one in their right minds can accuse him of being ‘soft’ on Pakistan, just months after sending in an unprecedented bombing air force contingent that flattened a terrorist camp. Conversely, it is the BJP which reached out to Pakistan even earlier, with then prime minister Vajpayee making his courageous trip to Lahore. It is again Modi, who ‘dropped in’ to wish Nawaz Sharif on his birthday. The Congress in its various recent manifestations of UPA I and II have no such actions to their credit, or discredit, depending on where one is on the divide.

Second, consider that at all times, the official statements on Balakot were firm that this was a ‘pre-emptive non military’ strike against terrorist camps. The underlying argument was that the strike was not against Pakistan or its army, a message that was further underlined when the Modi sent good wishes on Pakistan Day. A summary of the BJP government’s foreign policy style could be the government will hold the door is open for talks/negotiations, even while carrying a big stick. If the Pakistan Foreign Office hasn’t got this message then it needs to go back to school.


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Post by Kanson » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:39 pm

crams wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:35 pm
SC verdict rejecting govt's claim that Naxal Ram used stolen docs is a shot in the arm for Pappu. Note this Rafale BS that Pappu has been peddling is to sow seeds of confusion and doubt. So anything that can be perceived as going against ModiJi will be spun as 'see I told you so'. Already Pappu and his his gang have started the 'chowkidar chor hai' chorus citing latest SC decision. Thats all the matters. Fact that it changes nothing in terms of proving any of Pappu's bogus allegations doesn't matter. Its a propaganda 'victory' for Pappu no doubt.

Then we have the EC guys put a hold on release of ModiJi bopic. All in all, enough propaganda material for Pappu to stall ModiJi's momentum a bit.
Cram ji, it is far more than that. Though the immediate gain is more likely what you have mentioned but their long term aim is, knowingly or less, they are working as per the tunes of the piper which is very direct threat to national security. Their main aim is not modi. Just connect the dots.

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Post by Primus » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:29 pm

But what I do not understand is why the EC would ban a biopic on Modi. The BJP or Modi himself have nothing to do with the movie. Does this mean that any article in print/online, any YT video or any documentary or semi-fictional account of any of the candidates running for election is not permissible? So do we then ban any TV debates too?

I can understand the EC preventing the government from announcing any new policies or sops to the public, since that becomes a direct action, but how can you ban the release of a book or movie (or any other vehicle of information) by a private party?

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Post by abhijit » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:10 pm

That IK statement on Modi is very dubious and could be like some "elements" in India suggested him to make it. A wink wink. Immediate bawal after that statement is no coincidence.

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Post by crams » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:00 pm

abhijit wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:10 pm
That IK statement on Modi is very dubious and could be like some "elements" in India suggested him to make it. A wink wink. Immediate bawal after that statement is no coincidence.
Oh yes, very much possible. Congoon traitors are very much hand in glove with TSP, or if not direct collusion, their ideologies are the same.

I know no exit polls till voting is over, but any ground reports on which way the wind has been blowing after phase 1?

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Post by crams » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:57 pm

^^^ Thx.

On another note, interesting comment from ModiJi

https://www.hindustantimes.com/lok-sabh ... phqPN.html

“Pakistan’s attitude towards India today and that during the Congress government has undergone a sea change,” the PM said. “Terrorists as well as well as their sponsors in Pakistan are living in fear.”
Not sure I agree 100%. Reason being that even after 1st surgical strike, same claim was made, but Pakis took the bait and upped their pigLeT attacks culminating in the audacious attacks in Nagrota and most recently in Pulwama. So time will tell. But I am waging to bet that the 2 surgical strikes have thrown TSP off balance a bit in that now they know that there will be a bit of a price to pay than the cowardly eunuch response from India through dossiers as was the norm under Sonia/MMS.

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Post by achoudhury » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:08 pm

From all reports, It seems BJP has done very well except AP and TG. Out of all the UP region, West UP was most worrying but it seems, at worst, it will be 6-2. Most of the forecasters were predicting 4-4. News from West UP travels fast and BJP is on way to 60+ in UP. BJP winning both Coochbehar and Alipurduars in WB. Win in Cooch behar will send shivers down Didi's spine. TMC had won almost 70% gram panchayats unopposed. Nishith Pramanik, the recent import, is strongman of that area and his goons were equal to TMCs goons. Assam and Bihar as expected are sweep in this round and Odisha may 2-2. UK and MH is sweep too. All in all, a good day. A full majority Modi sarkar beckons.

These days I am enjoying the Bengal coverage. The fervor in WB is same as UP'14. BJP has slowly built a good cadre and leaders in WB. BJP cadres are openly challenging TMC in many strongholds were nobody was even allowed to enter till recently. Supriyo Babul, Locket Chatterjee, Bharati Ghosh, Mukul Sinha, Anupam Hazra, Nishith Pramanik, Raju Bishta, Mukul Roy have added heft at ground level and they are led by Dilip Ghosh. Dilip Ghosh is a RSS pracharak and you can see the fighter in him. Extremely funny too. Recently, he went to Keshpur in Ghatal, a TMC bastion where others are not even allowed to enter, stood at the chauraha and said he will make it Sheshpur if TMC mis-behaves.

I will stop calling WB as waste bengal if BJP wins 15 seats. As things stand today they will easily do it.

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Post by rsingh » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:07 pm

I am worried that Bakis are going to do some big-time provocation and we will be forced to act. Then Bakis will sing "we told you so". Who is IK to predict Modi's win. Who cares.

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Post by SSundar » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:10 pm

It is extremely frustrating to see the SC running amok without any restraints and contradicting themselves over and over again with no consistency.

1. NaMo movie vs. all other politically colored movies.
2. Right to Pray Lawsuit.
3. Electoral Bonds.

Electoral Bonds are one significant step forward in eliminating black money in political funding. If the esteemed SC feels that it does not go far enough, it can highlight the loopholes and suggest that the GoI fix them. Why ask the parties to disclose their donors to the EC? If they need to be satisfied that corporates are not playing foul, why not ask the banks?

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Post by tajmahal321 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:40 am

Second term of NDA, they shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the first term.
After winning power, they need to start cleaning up the judiciary and SC from the far left mafia. Modi should expel all the ex SC lawyers from his inner circle. Without cleaning up the judiciary, NDA government will be no different than opposition for indian heritage and cultural values. Now the battle has shifted to courts, winning elections is not enough unless executive exercise the exec power to protect the people's rights. If not, it will be hijacked by not elected folks who are not answerable to anyone.
SSundar wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:10 pm
It is extremely frustrating to see the SC running amok without any restraints and contradicting themselves over and over again with no consistency.

1. NaMo movie vs. all other politically colored movies.
2. Right to Pray Lawsuit.
3. Electoral Bonds.

Electoral Bonds are one significant step forward in eliminating black money in political funding. If the esteemed SC feels that it does not go far enough, it can highlight the loopholes and suggest that the GoI fix them. Why ask the parties to disclose their donors to the EC? If they need to be satisfied that corporates are not playing foul, why not ask the banks?

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Post by Suraj » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:20 am

Some thoughts on electoral momentum and information warfare

Momentum is a fundamentally the propagation of enthusiasm amongst the electorate. Every single person who has enthusiasm , is implicitly part of 'momentum'. It's not something you see others doing. It's something you're part of - either as a node propagating the enthusiasm to more people, or ending with you. You can either create and propagate momentum, or it ends at you, and it's left for others continue.

Momentum generally cannot be manufactured. This is because it is propagated organically. There's a limit to the number of people you can enthuse, who aren't particularly excited to begin with, just because you say so. However, when there's an underlying positive sentiment, momentum channelizes that together into a potent force. It's like a tree , with enthusiastic people being branches propagating the message forward to more branches and leaves.

While momentum cannot be artificially created, it can be actively hampered. This is done by vigorous astroturfing - a response to momentum that's built upon grassroots enthusiasm (astroturf, the sports playing surface, has artificial grass texture). It seeks to dampen the natural enthusiasm, by propagating rumors, falsehoods or anything that plays on the sentiment seeking to lead people to question their enthusiasm. Every single person - not just 'supporters' of the other side' are targets of astroturfing. In fact, it is primarily focused on those who are supporters of the momentum. It seeks to lower your enthusiasm to propagate the positive energy.

Why is all this important ? Because those who support a political cause and notice both natural popular enthusiasm for a leader, and active astroturfing by his opponents, are part of either enhancing momentum or being of bringing it to a grinding halt. When that happens, you're a stub, and nothing further branches from you.

It is easier to halt momentum than to construct or propagate it. That is because like physics we aren't collectively always propagating enthusiasm towards a cause. Therefore the active state of being is that people are generally positive, but not so much, that there's an active groundswell of news, excitement and motivation building. Astroturfing down a nascent momentum is far easier than cultivating it.

In 2014, the mainstream press unwittingly fed the momentum. They didn't recognize what they were seeing because it's been a long time since a GE had so much energy. It was newsworthy to them, but fundamentally it was feeding the NaMo momentum. In 2019 they have learned their lesson, because they're keeping an active embargo on poll rally reporting - anything they report ends up feeding popular momentum, therefore avoid reporting on scale and enthusiasm.

It's therefore important to internalize what momentum is, and what astroturfing is. YOU are momentum, not someone else. Remember the old milforum conversation with a senior Russian scientist regarding (I think early Su-30 MKI/Lyulka Saturn) transfer of technology. He responded "what is technology ? Not these pieces of metal. I am technology. I know how to build it this way and why." Astroturfing is directed at your enthusiasm, and the less motivated, and more confused/worried/unsure you are, the more effective that astroturfing is.

Don't be part of the problem by pausing to deal with astroturfing. Don't convey negative energy based entirely upon an external FUD focused on distracting your energy. Propagating negative energy towards your own side is about the worst thing you can do, because not only does momentum end at you, but you are unwittingly or otherwise, a node reversing it. Never let yourself be made into someone else's useful idiot.

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Post by JohnTitor » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:46 am

tajmahal321 wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:40 am
Second term of NDA, they shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the first term.
After winning power, they need to start cleaning up the judiciary and SC from the far left mafia. Modi should expel all the ex SC lawyers from his inner circle. Without cleaning up the judiciary, NDA government will be no different than opposition for indian heritage and cultural values. Now the battle has shifted to courts, winning elections is not enough unless executive exercise the exec power to protect the people's rights. If not, it will be hijacked by not elected folks who are not answerable to anyone.
Absolutely. But I'm not sure what they can do. When the NDA passed NJAC, the courts simply struck it down. I mean WTF?

India seems to be the only country where the judiciary can nullify laws passed by the legislature without due process. Getting the judiciary in line and impartial, in itself will be a great achievement. Any ideas how though?

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