Election Discussions - National, State etc

[AbhishekC]

If all politicians are corrupt, then how about you??

or are you alone super clean?? Casting aspersions at the drop of a hat, acting like a know it all, as though the RSS is depending on you for political advice.

Are they??

I am sure he is honest, that's why he has trouble winning in elections. If he was spending over a 1000 Crores every year on media publicity, like Modi sarkar, there would have been a Mehta wave in India, rather than a Modi wave.

[shravanp]

What a farce!

What a bloody farce we have witnessed!!!

This incident has shown the world that the combined might of Modi-Shah can be beaten. Even till this morning, BJP was assuring that they have a comfortable majority. And now, they have their tail firmly tucked between their legs. Will anybody believe their bravado again?

The only saving grace for them is that they did not indulge in horse trading. So although their aura of invincibility is broken, at least they withdraw with a little bit of their reputation for integrity intact. Even if everybody knows that they would have done horse trading if they ever had a chance to get the cong/JDS MLAs.

You are reading too much into it. BJP, despite being SLP, still didn't get majority and alliance had more numbers and they got to power. Nothing more to read beyond that. You win some, you lose some. Anyways, it's not a big deal. As I had mentioned before, it would be fun to watch Cong JD alliance and how they perform. K'tak will have one hell of a time, for sure!

[chetak]

Only SC has had its reputation enhanced in this.

1. Congis, who till yesterday were trying to impeach Chief Justice, were mewling before SC for justice.

2. SC, by allowing BSY to take oath, did not interfere in the constitutional duties of a governor. But by forcing BSY to get a confidence vote in one day, rather than the 15 allowed by the governor, prevented horse trading from taking place. Brilliant move by SC!

AbhishekC ji,

horse trading exists in all organisations.

Most "negotiations" in offices are some form of horse trading with a very thin veneer of so called business interests so that the smell of fresh horseshit does not overpower the expensive colognes worn by the management types.

office is a catchall term including every organisation in India within it's ambit, bar none. It's also a world wide practice, perfected by all cultures.

So to pretend that is peculiar to India and that too to one political party is absurd.

So, what exactly did you think that the first loser party doing when it offered up it's own head on a platter, to the second loser party?? merely to climb the gaddi??

or wasn't that also horse trading in your narrow and slickly convenient definition of the term??

Horse trading is respectable. Surely, you are aware that both MKG and JLN horse traded for Indian independence.

or perhaps, in your wisdom, you think that they should have desisted from such horse trading?? and we should have respectfully continued as britshit slaves, even today??

[Indrad]

Drama ends. One good thing that happened is that people now know that RSS-leaders and RSS-workers are as corrupt as congress leaders/workers. Otherwise, where did RSS-leaders get money to purchase MLAs? Either it is bribe money or they earned in notebadali. Same thing.

RSS-rakshaks can say that rss takes / gives bribe to protect dharma !!! yeah right

by your own logic RSS do not indulge in money bag cos congress & JD got to form govt and numbers was not on BJP side. They could not buy MLAs while JDs & Con could buy each other.
btw if you have evidence of shah delivering money bag to MLAs SC is open at 2 am for you!

[Sachin]

Chances of a JD(S)+Congress government in Karnataka running is only possible if both the parties get equal chances to loot the exchequer. Congress' ATM is Karnataka, and they will need to ensure that their "withdrawal limits" are set at high levels. My gut feeling is that Yeddy & Co would slowly start nudging the Lingayath ministers (or rake up issues close to Lingayath community, which would make these MLAs positions uncomfortable) to cause trouble in the government.

[sanjayC]

Only SC has had its reputation enhanced in this.

1. Congis, who till yesterday were trying to impeach Chief Justice, were mewling before SC for justice.

2. SC, by allowing BSY to take oath, did not interfere in the constitutional duties of a governor. But by forcing BSY to get a confidence vote in one day, rather than the 15 allowed by the governor, prevented horse trading from taking place. Brilliant move by SC!

AbhishekC ji,

horse trading exists in all organisations.

Most "negotiations" in offices are some form of horse trading with a very thin veneer of so called business interests so that the smell of fresh horseshit does not overpower the expensive colognes worn by the management types.

office is a catchall term including every organisation in India within it's ambit, bar none. It's also a world wide practice, perfected by all cultures.

So to pretend that is peculiar to India and that too to one political party is absurd.

So, what exactly did you think that the first loser party doing when it offered up it's own head on a platter, to the second loser party?? merely to climb the gaddi??

or wasn't that also horse trading in your narrow and slickly convenient definition of the term??

Horse trading is respectable. Surely, you are aware that both MKG and JLN horse traded for Indian independence.

or perhaps, in your wisdom, you think that they should have desisted from such horse trading?? and we should have respectfully continued as britshit slaves, even today??

Hindus have this stupid itch to consider politics as a morality contest, when gaining power by hook or crook should be the only mission. You can do a lot of things for the safety and security of the race when in power, and morality is subservient to that goal. Strangely, only Hindus suffer from this morality itch, not congress or church or Muslims, who go all out to grab power by any means because they realize that power is the key to everything. I don't know when this self-imposed "Harishchandra syndrome" of Hindus will go. This virus of morality in politics was injected by Gandhi. It did not exist before. Imagine if Shivaji considered morality as paramount while fighting Mughals, and had he refused to carry concealed weapons when meeting Afzal Khan, arguing that it would be immoral and unfair to the enemy

[chetak]

Chances of a JD(S)+Congress government in Karnataka running is only possible if both the parties get equal chances to loot the exchequer. Congress' ATM is Karnataka, and they will need to ensure that their "withdrawal limits" are set at high levels. My gut feeling is that Yeddy & Co would slowly start nudging the Lingayath ministers (or rake up issues close to Lingayath community, which would make these MLAs positions uncomfortable) to cause trouble in the government.

Both parties are desperate for the ATM use. One is impoverished by it's own loss of power all over the country and the other has been felled by demon.

Election funding has come largely from malsi funds in the case of one party and they are notoriously quick in claiming their pound of flesh.

All this ATM use will happen under the watchful gaze of the great white chief in dilli. Many minority bagmen are already on very thin ice. Some others have already been fang marked. A few arrests will scare away the contributors. There is no political protection for them and many of them garnering huge contracts are benami politicians from neighboring states. Even if their henchmen/frontmen are quietly imprisoned, they will not be missed.

The reddy brothers were in prison for such a long time because EVERYONE made huge money off them.

[rhytha]

Only SC has had its reputation enhanced in this.

1. Congis, who till yesterday were trying to impeach Chief Justice, were mewling before SC for justice.

2. SC, by allowing BSY to take oath, did not interfere in the constitutional duties of a governor. But by forcing BSY to get a confidence vote in one day, rather than the 15 allowed by the governor, prevented horse trading from taking place. Brilliant move by SC!

AbhishekC ji,

horse trading exists in all organisations.

Most "negotiations" in offices are some form of horse trading with a very thin veneer of so called business interests so that the smell of fresh horseshit does not overpower the expensive colognes worn by the management types.

office is a catchall term including every organisation in India within it's ambit, bar none. It's also a world wide practice, perfected by all cultures.

So to pretend that is peculiar to India and that too to one political party is absurd.

So, what exactly did you think that the first loser party doing when it offered up it's own head on a platter, to the second loser party?? merely to climb the gaddi??

or wasn't that also horse trading in your narrow and slickly convenient definition of the term??

Horse trading is respectable. Surely, you are aware that both MKG and JLN horse traded for Indian independence.

or perhaps, in your wisdom, you think that they should have desisted from such horse trading?? and we should have respectfully continued as britshit slaves, even today??

Horse trading is fine. But why run into a battle when you don't have enough horses in your stable, thats the problem.

This episode has unnecessarily pulled in governer, modis name and the opposition will get a sting out of this and given a wide berth for all sorts of things.

Both parties are desperate for the ATM use. One is impoverished by it's own loss of power all over the country and the other has been felled by demon.

Congress should be already having its war chest full, why would they only be expected to loot in the next 1 year, they are the incumbent anyway.
Congress think tank would have siphoned off enough money for this and the next years election altogether already.

[chetak]

If all politicians are corrupt, then how about you??

or are you alone super clean?? Casting aspersions at the drop of a hat, acting like a know it all, as though the RSS is depending on you for political advice.

Are they??

I am sure he is honest, that's why he has trouble winning in elections. If he was spending over a 1000 Crores every year on media publicity, like Modi sarkar, there would have been a Mehta wave in India, rather than a Modi wave.

If he were capable, he would be running around making money and not posting stupid CTs here.

[chetak]

Only SC has had its reputation enhanced in this.

1. Congis, who till yesterday were trying to impeach Chief Justice, were mewling before SC for justice.

2. SC, by allowing BSY to take oath, did not interfere in the constitutional duties of a governor. But by forcing BSY to get a confidence vote in one day, rather than the 15 allowed by the governor, prevented horse trading from taking place. Brilliant move by SC!

AbhishekC ji,

horse trading exists in all organisations.

Most "negotiations" in offices are some form of horse trading with a very thin veneer of so called business interests so that the smell of fresh horseshit does not overpower the expensive colognes worn by the management types.

office is a catchall term including every organisation in India within it's ambit, bar none. It's also a world wide practice, perfected by all cultures.

So to pretend that is peculiar to India and that too to one political party is absurd.

So, what exactly did you think that the first loser party doing when it offered up it's own head on a platter, to the second loser party?? merely to climb the gaddi??

or wasn't that also horse trading in your narrow and slickly convenient definition of the term??

Horse trading is respectable. Surely, you are aware that both MKG and JLN horse traded for Indian independence.

or perhaps, in your wisdom, you think that they should have desisted from such horse trading?? and we should have respectfully continued as britshit slaves, even today??

Horse trading is fine. But why run into a battle when you don't have enough horses in your stable, thats the problem.

This episode has unnecessarily pulled in governer, modis name and the opposition will get a sting out of this and given a wide berth for all sorts of things.

Both parties are desperate for the ATM use. One is impoverished by it's own loss of power all over the country and the other has been felled by demon.

Congress should be already having its war chest full, why would they only be expected to loot in the next 1 year, they are the incumbent anyway.
Congress think tank would have siphoned off enough money for this and the next years election altogether already.

A "national" party needs moolah to fund elections in many states. One state is not going to cut it which is why Bangalore's infrastructure is so poor because these guys have squeezed their contractor's absolutely dry and have not left money to even halfway for the contractors to complete their work. In many cases, advances have been paid and money siphoned off immediately from the contractors. Most roads are dug up and left in a mess whereas it is the usual practice to do up the roads just before the elections.

It's also why the congis are getting wiped out state after state because they are unable to fund their people. The congis had the practice of actually funding some other parties too but all that is over now. The allies are saying, no money, no alliance.

BTW, don't be fooled by the lack of horses in the stable today.

The BJP is not done yet.

[suryag]

I for one want a re-election in the state to suck out everything that the congis have, can they afford to spend another 12k if the elections were held again ? a re-election would dry them up entirely leaving not much for the 2019 GE

[AbhishekC]

or perhaps, in your wisdom, you think that they should have desisted from such horse trading?? and we should have respectfully continued as britshit slaves, even today??

We are britshit slaves even today. Thanks to Modi. What was Theresa May doing in India from 6-8 November 2016? Learning how to make tea from Modi? Or blackmailing him to execute Demo?

Think about this - the Britshit PM, whose country is in full crisis mode following Brexit, spends 3 days in a foreign country and signs only 2 agreements?

[hanumadu]

I for one want a re-election in the state to suck out everything that the congis have, can they afford to spend another 12k if the elections were held again ? a re-election would dry them up entirely leaving not much for the 2019 GE

It is only one year to 2019. Congress desperately needs a win. If RJD + JD(U) can survive for more than 1 year, so can congress + JD(S). Let's just hope people vote better in 2019.

[Raju]

broken institutions is what classifies countries like pakistan. Only successful & functional institution in pakistan that remains is the tspa. Rest all have been broken by politicking and interference. India seems to be on same route, but will stabilise somewhere much above pakistan as another failure. Dollar-rupee depreciation and high oil taxation are typical symptoms of states trying desperately to keep afloat.

Congress had already broken plenty of institutions and now BJP also behaves like it wants to follow in same path. Now one by one India's institutions are also going way of pakistan. It was totally unnecessary to abuse office of governor in such manner but now deed is done.

[MehtaRahulC]

If all politicians are corrupt, then how about you??

or are you alone super clean?? Casting aspersions at the drop of a hat, acting like a know it all, as though the RSS is depending on you for political advice.

Are they??

or are you just another political windbag?? Hoping that someone may notice and maybe give you a ticket.

I personally know another arsehole who stood on a AAP ticket some time ago and even his wife did not vote for him.

I never said that all politicians are corrupt, and word politician has no definoition ii.e. all 90 crore voters are politicians. Rest, I will pass the bait

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RSS-leaders and RSS-workers has been as corrupt (or hoping to get bribes) as congress leaders/workers since jansagh days of 1951. The issue is that many in nation still believe that they are different from congress. Many voters genuinely believe that rss-leaders and rss-workers are non-corrupt !! Well, at least that myth is now shattered. Forum prohibit members from saying that "Modiji had taken bribes to purchase congress/jds MLAs" but so far Mark Zukerberg hasnt made any such rule.

Everyone now accepts that Modiji, rss-leaders and rss-workers were working to buy MLAs. But they could not --- price was too high or time was too less or both. So now everyone knows where the cash to buy money came from. And surely, it was NOT going to white money. Nor it was going to cheque or RTGS or digital money (except may be bitcoins). So now its clear to ALL that rss leaders have huge cache of black money and all their fight against black money was sham. And now REAL motives behind notebandhi is for all to see. So karnataka mla-trading shows proves to all that

(a) rss leaders do take bribes
(b) rss-leaders have huge cache of black money
(c) there was never an intention to curb black money
(d) so motive of notebandhi was NOT to end black money, but there were some other noble or nefarious motives behind notebandhi

and (d) directly hurts modiji's swan white lily white image

The only sad part is -- many still believe that rss-leaders and rss-woirkers take bribe to protect dharma and not personal enrichment. And many still wrongly believe that rss-workers and rss-leaders may take bribe but will not sell national / hindu interests. But soon , rss-leaders' greed will make them take steps that will convince all hindus that there is ZERO difference between rss leaders/workers and congress leaders/workers

All in all, rss did what they did --- they started throwing cash to buy 8 to 10 MLAs. But luck didnt favor them. And in the process, they lost money and also got exposed !!

[Supratik]

What if Kumaraswamy fails to prove majority?

[abhijit]

I am glad that bjp has learned dirty tricks. Politics is not cute and cuddly. There is more dirt beneath than we see on the surface. These dynastic corporate political parties need to be defeated. Politics have become family run business for them and I am glad one party is standing firm against them.

[Indrad]

(a) rss leaders do take bribes
(b) rss-leaders have huge cache of black money
(c) there was never an intention to curb black money
(d) so motive of notebandhi was NOT to end black money, but there were some other noble or nefarious motives behind notebandhi

and (d) directly hurts modiji's swan white lily white image

i have no clue what personal khunnas do you have against RSS so far you have not given a single evidence regarding RSS corruption.
Or do you have one?

[suryag]

AS seems to have become a far better orator than what he was 3 years ago

[abhijit]

broken institutions is what classifies countries like pakistan. Only successful & functional institution in pakistan that remains is the tspa. Rest all have been broken by politicking and interference. India seems to be on same route, but will stabilise somewhere much above pakistan as another failure. Dollar-rupee depreciation and high oil taxation are typical symptoms of states trying desperately to keep afloat.

Congress had already broken plenty of institutions and now BJP also behaves like it wants to follow in same path. Now one by one India's institutions are also going way of pakistan. It was totally unnecessary to abuse office of governor in such manner but now deed is done.

Either you are naive about how politics is played across the entire world or preaching dharma like Karna.

Your attempt to take a sample and do equal equal with pakistan is pathetic.

[chetak]

or perhaps, in your wisdom, you think that they should have desisted from such horse trading?? and we should have respectfully continued as britshit slaves, even today??

We are britshit slaves even today. Thanks to Modi. What was Theresa May doing in India from 6-8 November 2016? Learning how to make tea from Modi? Or blackmailing him to execute Demo?

Think about this - the Britshit PM, whose country is in full crisis mode following Brexit, spends 3 days in a foreign country and signs only 2 agreements?

She wasn't allowed to sign more because she was not willing to give us more headroom on the UK visa issue.

If the visa thing is a nonstarter, so is her post brexit trade dreams with India.

[chetak]

What if Kumaraswamy fails to prove majority?

would it not be fun if the Guv invited the congis as the next largest party, would they then seek support from the JD (sickular)?? or propose HDk's name??

[SSundar]

Fate works in mysterious ways. Vajpayee's short PM stint followed by Deve Gowda's elevation to PM post decimated Congi and 3rd front's credibility to bring Vajpayee back as PM. It gave us a glimpse of BJP's ability to give a corruption-free, uncompromising government.

Now, Yeddi finds himself in Vajpayee's shoes and yields way to Deve Gowda's son. KA will rediscover BJP like never before. One thing I suspect will happen is that BJP will be able to form a government without Yeddi's Reddy brothers baggge when the next opportunity arrives.

KA will slide to BJP in the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. Period.

[abhijit]

or perhaps, in your wisdom, you think that they should have desisted from such horse trading?? and we should have respectfully continued as britshit slaves, even today??

We are britshit slaves even today. Thanks to Modi. What was Theresa May doing in India from 6-8 November 2016? Learning how to make tea from Modi? Or blackmailing him to execute Demo?

Think about this - the Britshit PM, whose country is in full crisis mode following Brexit, spends 3 days in a foreign country and signs only 2 agreements?

Not each visit by head of states is to sign multi billion deals. Recently Justin Trudeau came here for photo shoot and appease sikh voters back home.

[Indrad]

from where is all this logic coming ..that british PM was here to force a demo! What weed boss!!